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Robin wrote: "One of the things that makes art interesting is how subjective it is. To each his own, and all that - but if you look at the descriptors on the GR rating system, you'll notice that the 4-star descr..."I agree. Well said.
The Book Of Mormon & Twilight?Seriously?
Egads!
Have you read the Book of Mormon? You are like the rest of America. Your opinion is based on nothing and that is what it is worth. I mean no offense, but everyone is not entitled to an opinion. Only those that do their homework and think a subject through... I'd love to hear what you think, positive or negative if you ever read it. Until then, stick to what you know.
Marla wrote: "this is the second list--worst books was the first--and i'm done. this is madness. i mean, how many mormons congregated to vote the book of mormon as a top 100 book? really?" It must be a conspiracy. I bet they organized it in between Prop. 8 rallies...
Jason wrote: "Have you read the Book of Mormon? You are like the rest of America. Your opinion is based on nothing and that is what it is worth. I mean no offense, but everyone is not entitled to an opinion. Onl..."Ugh. Then I say you are one of those people who arn't entitled to an opinion.
As a matter of factly, I have read the book of mormon, I even own a copy.
Nephi 13:16
Moreover, the Lord saith: Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched-forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet
13:17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover their secret parts.
Love that one.
Not enough to make the best books ever list though.
harry potter is the best book I've read until now .but twilight saga is the best book too .
Every one is entitled to an opinion. But that doesn't mean it is valid. Nor does it justify imposing it on others.
The problem I have with all religions and those who believe in them is that since they believe they have the right - in fact the duty - to impose it on others.
This is particularly a characteristic of a couple of the world's religions, most notably Christianity, which believes it its their religious obligation to convert. I suspect Islam follows the same concept.
GoodReads is for books, literature and while some read the various bibles as literature, I don't count any of them as the best books I've ever read.
If you vote for the bible, then I vote for The Origin of the Species by Charles Darwin. Now that's a book that makes perfect sense.
i completely agree with what tom (above) said about the imposing of beliefs on others, but both darwins theory and other theories ive heard as of now could all live in relation to eachother and could actually fill the blanks left by other belief systems.
I LOVE twilight and the saga but it is annoying ppl r obsessed lik micheal jackson dying GET OVER IT HES DEAD its not lik the pope died and evn so i know wht u mean Kristen
Heather wrote: "i completely agree with what tom (above) said about the imposing of beliefs on others, but both darwins theory and other theories ive heard as of now could all live in relation to eachother and cou..."In science, a theory is a hypothesis that has been verified through testing. So it basicallhy has been proven true.
What bibles describe is faith. That is not fact or science or theory. It is belief. Many people who believe in evolution also believe in a God, so evolution and belief in God are not contradictory. Faith does not have to be proven - in fact - it can't be proven by science. That's what makes it faith.
They do, as Heather says, fill in the gaps.
I believe God and the Devil exist in the way I believe that Moby Dick or Captain Ahab exist. Someone thought up some really great characters and created an entire universe to go with them.
Marla wrote: "this is the second list--worst books was the first--and i'm done. this is madness. i mean, how many mormons congregated to vote the book of mormon as a top 100 book? really?" Well the book of mormon is one of the greatest and so is Twilight , how come everyone is sooo upset over all the mormons voting on that book. It's like all the twilight lovers are going to vote for those books too.
Larry wrote: "If this list is any indicator, it appears that a lot of people on Goodreads don't read very serious literature. Plus, the Book of Mormon, come on, seriously, you might as well put Dianetics up the..." What is so wrong with the book of mormon being up there??? People are freaking out . Just because they aren't members to that religion doesn't mean they need to bag on it all the time. Seriously some people are being rude.
Jason wrote: "i think the book of mormon thing must be some kind of in joke...i mean it only takes a little organization and you could theoretically get anything put up in the number 1 position...and why does ..." It's not a joke . Just because some people don't believe in it or read it doesn't mean they have to bag on it and freak out about it being up there. It's a book , come on people are being immature. If they don't like it then they are just going to have to deal. And people could theoretically put Twilight in #1 position or even to kill a mocking bird.
Mr. Kitchen wrote: "the bible? book of mormon?as the best books ever written? seems to be a bias here...
" Wow everyone is seriously freaking out about this . If you don't like it then vote for other books.
Josef wrote: "Todd wrote: "Best and worst list are certainly not meant to be definitive. Best and worst are so subjective. They are merely meant to elicit conversation and thought which they obviously have don..." I totally agree
I wish religious texts could be disqualified (as they often are in real-life "best books" lists). It's embarrassing to have the Book of Mormon and the Bible in the top ten. I get that some people actually believe the stories in them, but this list is about books on their own terms, so that's no reason to vote for them.Regardless of whether you believe the tales in these books actually happened, that doesn't change the fact that they're not very well written. They're often tedious, pretentious and repetitious, and have no place anywhere near the top-ten of a list of the "best books ever"...
Before anyone accuses me of just being anti-religious (which would be true), I also don't think "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" belongs in the top ten. It's a very good book on many levels, but *not* the ninth best book ever.
Regradless of whether people like it or not it is there. No one can change it , I just think that people are being immature over a realigious book being in the top 100 or 10. It's there , by people complaining it just makes them look bad. And some people of the realigion take it offensively. I am part of that religion and if I wasn't a mormon I still wouldn't freak out and complain about that being there. It is just a book , get over it.
I also agree with you pepijn they shoudln't be there but they are so we can't change it.
Jen wrote: "Jason wrote: "Have you read the Book of Mormon? You are like the rest of America. Your opinion is based on nothing and that is what it is worth. I mean no offense, but everyone is not entitled to a..." Okay guys this is really gettin ridiculous , I know that I am only a little teenager but I will stand up for my religion and not hear it being bagged on. Jen yuo have read the book of mormon and that is great but it's not just about what was written or how is was written but it's about what it does to ur life. I am only jsut turning 13 and I am in the middle of reading it. I know it can be boring and kind of hard to understand but from what I do understand it may not be the best book ever but it has done a lot to my life in a good way . I would like if people would keep their negative opions to their selves. I do not mean to sound rude but that is just the way I feel. Why don't we talk about the books that should be up there because we can't replace the others. Thank you
But are bibles literature? This is not a site to discuss theology, but Good Reads - good books, great books - and I think we are talking about FICTION, which for most people means that bibles should not be here.
That doesn't mean they aren't valid books - they're just not novels. Maybe they should be on the Top 100 Self-Help Books because that's what they really are.
I personally think that all bibles are fiction, and not very well-written novels or very good novels at that.
Okay, maybe there are some good stories in different bibles - the Book of Job in particular could, as a stand alone novel, be considered for a top 1000 list.
But bibles don't belong on a top 100 list primarily comprised of fiction.
Serisouly, I do not think that the bible or book or mormon should be up there but it is and if you guys are going to freak out about it being a fiction or not very good written literature it's there. Get over it. You guys are just wasting your time sitting her and complaining. And I am wasting mine but I will stand up for it always. People may think I am little and don't know any thing but let them think that but I do know a lot. Please keep your opions to yourself.
Lexi wrote: "Serisouly, I do not think that the bible or book or mormon should be up there but it is and if you guys are going to freak out about it being a fiction or not very good written literature it's ther..."It's very difficult to keep our opinions to ourselves on a website dedicated to posting opinions. That sort of defeats the purpose of GR.
We are only exploring our ideas of what we consider great books, which helps us in our future reading.
Lists serve a valuable purpose. Think of them as mirrors that enable us to examine our tastes.
I love lists because they enable me to evaluate my own tastes - and, more important, every so often I discover a book I've never heard of that is worth exploring and, more often, motivates me to pick up a book on my to-read list I keep putting off.
I'd like to think that people who participate on GR are into books and so therefore by definition are people who have open minds.
Well Tom when people bag on the book or mormon it kind of gets annoying it's like someone who keeps talking bad about someone or something you love sometime there are extremes and sometimes just the little comments matter too. I would hate for anyone not to express their opions but sometimes ........
Lexi wrote: "Well Tom when people bag on the book or mormon it kind of gets annoying it's like someone who keeps talking bad about someone or something you love sometime there are extremes and sometimes just th..."I think it's great that you feel passionately about a book - regardless of which one it is. I wish more people respected books. And I understand. I don't take kindly to people stupidly criticizing my favorite books. In a way, I suppose it is a personal attack because they are banging on my opinions - and what else are we but a collection of feelings?
Well I am happy to see the Bible at the top, I only think it should be number one on the list. (this is the place where i would put a silly happy face with its tongue sticking out if i could). ;)
Tom wrote: "Lexi wrote: "Well Tom when people bag on the book or mormon it kind of gets annoying it's like someone who keeps talking bad about someone or something you love sometime there are extremes and some..."Exactly, it is a huge hit to your personal feelings also. I mean ecspecially if it is a religious book. Some people live and breath their religions and they take these comments to heart. I don't want the book of mormon up there only because people keep bashing on it.
Katie wrote: "The book of Mormon? For real? I live in Utah and avoid that thing at all costs. " NO offense but how could you say that. Without it there is no hope in the world. I think that it is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Without it with the problems I am having in my life I would rather die. That is an extreme but it is so true. And in Utah , that has tons of missionarys there and everything that involves mormons.
Everyone needs to give the Book Of Mormon a chance instead of bagging on it when they haven't read it.
Notice that no matter how many people post mean stuff about Twilight, the book is STILL on the Best Books Ever and Summer Reading List. Just for the record. I respect others opinions. Twilight 4 ever!!!
Yay! Twilight is beating Harry Potter!
I am not bagging on you , and even if I am ,I am sorry I don't mean to. I am just defending my religion . Sorry Tom
Tom wrote: "No thanks. Stop bagging on us about it."Tom I do not mean to bag on you I am just defending my religion and this may sound all cheesy or weird or whatever but it does hurt when people say that stuff. I am sorry for baggin on you.
You're not. But isn't this a site to discuss books and literature? Maybe you should start a discussion thread elsewhere about religious books, starting with the bible that has been such an influence on you and then list other religious or inspirational works, like a biography of Joseph Smith or whatever. You could name the thread Morman literature and be able to discuss books with like-minded people. You might find out about new books you can read.
You are right it's kind of hard where you are used to standing up for it when it gets bagged on or whatever but it's somethin I guess I will have to get used ot
Just the fact that Twilight is on this list makes it a joke. Best book ever? No way.
I think that it is the best book ever! what didn't you like about it
Lexi wrote: "I think that it is the best book ever! what didn't you like about it"Actually, I loved Twilight. (If you don't believe me, tell it to my three massive Twilight movie posters and my Comic-Con poster with the original movie release date I won in a Twilight writing contest. Don't try to tell me I'm not a twilighter.)
But I think that if you think it actually is The Best book EVER, then you need to read more. A lot more. Twilight is entertaining, but I would never call it quality reading. I feel badly for Stephenie every time I say that, because she is so sweet and kind, but it is the truth.
I wouldn't even think of tellin you that and btw I didn't mean it rude. Yeah I agree so have you read the rest of them
I have read the Book of Mormon several times. I have also read the KJV Bible, studied the Gnostic Gospels, and read up on Hubbard. I've delved into most of the classic novels, and many amazing works of art that many here will never hear about. With all of this research behind me, I can safely say, that the quality of a book is not determined by its popularity nor its impact on the life choices of individuals.
If you believe that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, nevermind that twenty-five thousand words of it are borrowed directly from the Old Testament or that a further two thousand words are borrowed from the New Testament, and the "translater's" education is almost entirely based on the study of said Bible, your belief does not make it a masterpiece.
Just the style of writing alone should remove this book from the list. The words "and it came to pass" appear at least two thousand times! Any ninth grade English teacher would fail any paper this annoyingly repetitive.
Laying aside the racist insinuations about Native Americans, this book, whether ordained by God or invented by a con artist, is terribly written and is far from the second best book ever.
Lexi wrote: "I wouldn't even think of tellin you that and btw I didn't mean it rude. Yeah I agree so have you read the rest of them"Sorry if I seemed aggressive, but I find whenever one critiques Twilight, some fans can be very defensive. -_-"
Of course, I've read them all. ^^
I have two copies of all the books, too. (One signed by Steph, one for reading.)
I love them, but I didn't like Eclipse or Breaking Dawn. I know Eclipse seems to be a fan favourite, but I can't see the appeal. Twilight is definitely my favourite of the series.
this list is based on what others like, it also depends on if the people voting have or haven't read certain books. you shouldn't say you think a certain book is the best if you've never even read it. My own personal opinion of the best book I've READ so far is 'Acheron'. it just really depends on what your into as well. I did get a good idea of some books i may want to read for some of the comments, so thank you for commenting! :)
Omj Twilight, New Moon, Eclipse, Breaking Dawn, Midnight Sun are awesome :] and I love The Chronicles of Narnia The Lion, the Witch and The Wardrobe and most of the books here I've read and well i hope I can finish this list by the end of summer :]
Thats awesome Gill. So did you get to meet her and everything or just have someone get it for oyu
Lexi wrote: "Thats awesome Gill. So did you get to meet her and everything or just have someone get it for oyu"No, I met her. It was before Breaking Dawn came out, so I only have Twilight, New Moon and Eclipse signed.
But it was fantastic. She was so sweet.
A long discussion regarding "The Mormon book" but it seams most everybody is ok with having "Harry Potter", "Twilight" and others among no "the most popular" but the BEST books EVER. Come on people? where are Dante's "Divine Comedy", Joyce's "Ulysses" or Proust's "In search of lost time".
as the best books ever written? seems to be a bias here...
"Yeah, stupid, wrongo!
I am mormon. And most of us believe in allowing everyone to choose what they believe and to express there beliefs and ideas without being ridiculed (including when they respectfully disagree). I am disappointed by and apologize for the unkind comments of some who aredefending The Book of Mormon."