Julia’s Comments (group member since Oct 01, 2015)

Julia’s comments from the Forms of Literature (Keating's Goodreads Discussion forum) group.

Israel wrote: "The two stories have a purpose of family experiences and values from a mother to her children. The two stories also talk about some of the events in the children's lives that made an impact to the ..."
I agree with you Ismael, how both stories deal with the family aspect but also how there children made a change in their mothers life.Although at the end Emily and Maggie appreciate all what their mothers have give them on their own way of living.

Perla wrote: "I think what both stories share is that is based in the perspective of a mother. The feelings of trying to be fair with their daughters that can only be understood by a mother. In "I Stand Here Iro..."
I agree with you Perla, about how both stories focus on the mothers perspective.How both stories deal with certain obstacles and see to do fine with becoming and valuing their mothers sacrifices of becoming them better persons.

In both of the stories "Everyday Use" and "I Stand Here Ironing" they are based on the mother’s perspective. They both talk how they feel about their daughter and how they see that they haven’t done that well with that one daughter that does values them for whom they are or that feel that they needed to do much more. In “I Stand Here Ironing” the mother felt that she was not a great mother to Emily for making her to deal with all the changes that she had to go through . Although Emily sister was beautiful and way opposite of her(skinny ,not well looking ) she always knew that her mother loved her no matter what. As “Everyday Use” they point out that the mother has been always there for both but not much to Maggie . Maggie has a different way of life than Dee she has been physically marked by a house burn that would always be with her but no a educated or smart person “ I can still hear the flames and feel Maggie's arms sticking to me, her hair smoking and her dress falling off her in little black papery flakes. Her eyes seemed stretched open, blazed open by the flames reflected in them“. Instead Dee is a well educated woman but lacks to give that emotional affection to the mother "On TV mother and child embrace and smile into each other's faces. Sometimes the mother and father weep, the child wraps them in her arms and leans across the table to tell how she would not have made it without their help". Both stories show how even though their mother weren’t that much there for them they still appreciate everything that their mothers gave to Emily and Maggie on their own way of being. What does change on both is that in “Everyday Use” they mentioned that Dee changes her own heritage and forget whom she is and become the antagonist of the story, than “I Stand Here Ironing” both daughters become their own way and don’t become ungrateful of what their mother do to support them. My own idea of family is being a united and supportive way of helping each other in thick and thin times , that no matter what we go through the ones that would always be there for us is our family because they care and worry for us.

Joanna wrote: "In the story “Horse Dealer’s Daughter”, the author uses symbolism to show the theme he is portraying. The theme of this story was that death brings up a new perspective. Lawrence (the author) point..."

I agree with you Joanna that death brings up a new perspective in live with in this story of "The Horse Dealer's Daughter" . Also how everything plays a role as the pond and Ferguson saving Mable's life.

Israel wrote: "In the story "The horse dealer's daughter" has several different symbolisms in each character. At first, the story says how the three brothers and their sister sat at a desolated table in their hom..."

I agree with you Israel, when the author starts by describing us how desolated the brothers were sited in the table at home giving that feeling of emptiness. But also how detailed the author when through each and every character of the story and giving us that bit of symbolism of them.

In the story ¨the horse dealer's daughter¨ has several different symbolisms within the characters Mable,Joe, Fred Henry and Malcolm. Starting in the story they state that ¨the three brothers and the sister sat round the desolate breakfast table,attempting some sort of desultory consultation.¨ This gave that type of perspective to the reader of sadness and a gap that is missing around. As Mabel throughout the story she was like mostly off , moody and resentful like stated ¨the girl was alone, a rather short, sullen looking young woman of twenty seven.¨ Joe was described as ¨the eldest, was a man of thirty three , broad and handsome in a hot , flushed way.¨ In other word that Joe was a really good looking and attractive man.Then the second brother Fred Henry as stated in the story ¨was erect, clean-limbed, alert. But also ¨he was master of any horse, and he carried himself with a well-tempered air of mastery.¨Fred was really good with controler and straight up he would be with point blank.Lastly Malcolm for being the youngest¨he was the baby of the family, a young man of twenty-two, with a fresh, jaunty museau. Malcolm was symbolized as the smallest but stubborn. As per the setting it mainly took place in the farm and in the town they lived at.

LUPITA wrote: "Before Krebs left to war, he was a frat boy. Attending college, frat boys are usually loud, energetic, and cheerful. But when Krebs left for war and came back, he was a completely different person...."

I agree with you lupita, it's true that anyone that goes to war will never come the same by the experiences and things they did. Which when kreb was asked by his mother if he loved her and he said no ,and then saw his mother crying he realized he was like cold blooding because of the way he had to be at war.

Traci wrote: "Before the war, Krebs was a frat boy who appears to of been a church goer. War can change a person. The things you witness, hear, or even are forced to do can gave a toll on you. I think by saying ..."

I agree with you Traci, that he was a frat boy and how he was before the war. What mostly change him was after the war because he experience really terable things out there.

Krebs before the war was a frat boy that attended Methodist college in Kansas. As we all know fraternity boys tend to be wild and adventurous while there in this fraternity houses. But after the war Kerbs was a totally different person which it can be understandable of how people from war experience tragedies and terrible things that they were forced to do which basicly impact him. What i know about him to explain why he wants to live without consequences is that when¨At first Krebs, who had been at Belleau Wood, Soissons, the Champagne, St. Mihiel and in the Argonne did not want to talk about the war at all¨ Krebs didn't want to talk at all about what had happen at war to anyone including his own family. Throughout the story we see that it's a narrative style in which the writer narrates the story to. For example Hemingway mentions ¨During this time, it was late summer, he was sleeping late in bed, getting up to walk downtown to the library to get a book, eating lunch at home, reading on the front porch until he became bored and then walking down through the town to spend the hottest hours of the day in the cool dark of the pool room. He loved to play pool¨. As per the tone it is mostly a pessimistic and depressing tone on how he is basically miserable , he doesn't have a social life because he justs wants to be kept away of the people and to give up on himself. In here his mother said ¨He thinks you have lost your ambition, that you haven’t got a definite aim in life. Charley Simmons, who is just your age, has a good job and is going to be married. The boys are all settling down; they’re all determined to get somewhere; you can see that boys like Charley Simmons are on their way to being really a credit to the community.” In other words, that his parents want him to become someone and that not to let himself down that even though he and others have passed by terrible things in war Charley Simmons had become a good man and has his own business why can´t krebs do the same or work with his father. The style and tone fits really well to the character on how the narrator mentions him throughout the story.

Dennia wrote: "In the Wrights family 'we see several points of isolation. Such as the loneliness that is perceived in the location of the house "It looked very lonesome this cold March morning. It had always been..."

I agree with you Dennia about the different ways the isolation was present in the story. Mrs. Wright was really miserable because when she was young she was the most cheerful person. But as Mrs.Hale she mentioned that she wished she had gone more often and seen Mrs.Wright because it might of not made what has been done in consequence of the isolation.

Traci wrote: "Within this weeks video, Mary Helen Washington discussed the sense of isolation in "A Jury of Her Peers" written by Susan Keating Glaspell. When reading this story, Glaspell gives us clues that the..."

I agree with you too Traci that Glaspell gives us clues about the farm and Minnie being isolated. It was great you mentioning how the farm looked all lonely "It had always been a lonesome looking-place. It was down in a hollow, and the poplar trees were lonesome -looking trees." Then also in the text is mentioned that it was a half a day’s journey on a horse and buggy just to visit Mrs. Wright said Mrs. Hale. But mostly what made all this so isolated was the fact that the Wrights didn’t have children .

According to this week’s video concerning the story “A Jury of Her Peers” by Susan Keating Glaspell, Mary Helen Washington points out that the effects of the setting by giving you a tremendous sense of this kind of isolation throughout the story. Which makes us imagine how thing were back then in the 19th century. Glaspell starts by mentioning how cold was and explaining us how it seen up to Mrs. Wrights place “It looked very lonesome this cold March morning. It had always been a lonesome-looking place it was down in a hollow, and the poplar trees around it were lonesome-looking trees.” It seems to tell us that not even one person has ever been their besides Mr. and Mrs. Wright. In the story Mrs. Hale starts to lament the fact that she has not gone to visit Minnie Foster (Mrs. Wright) throughout all this years but it also explains how woman couldn’t do so because of women’s lives "But I tell you what I do wish, Mrs. Peters. I wish I had come over sometimes when she was here. I wish--I had." Mrs. Peters mentions to Mrs. Hale "But of course you were awful busy, Mrs. Hale. Your house--and your children.” Which I could say that the reason why theirs also so much isolation is that Mr. and Mrs. Wright never had any children "never to have had any children around?" Her eyes made a slow sweep of the kitchen, as if seeing what that kitchen had meant through all the years “What it also makes you understand how the woman were also having that isolation in life was when Mrs. Hale mentions “We all go through the same things it’s all just a different kind of the same thing! If it weren’t why do you and I understand? Why do we know, what we know this minute? This shows that Mrs. Peters and Mrs. Hale also have that type of womanly live. Glaspell made a great job showing each and every characters view throughout the story which made the reader have a visualization along the story.

Uzi wrote: "Emily's character in "I Stand Here Ironing" is flat. The only details of her characteristic are given by her mother. A mother who was not always there for her therefore Emily shows little to no emo..."

I agree with Uzi because she stands out the point that the story is being told by the mother's perspective and how when she stands there ironing throughout the nights which is a flat character. But as Uzi said if it would of been told by someone else it could've been a round character because it would've surprise us in how they change throughout the story.As per that its being said that “her mother said that Emily was unrecognizable to her after few minutes onto her acting” Making it seem that she still didn't finish knowing her own child after all those years.

Eunice wrote: "Throughout the story “I Stand Here Ironing” by Tillie Olsen, Emily is described by her mother portraying her as flat or one dimensional. To evaluate Emily’s character in “I Stand Here Ironing” I wo..."

I agree with Eunice , that Emily's mother didn't show her that love that she needed because in the beginning of the story is told that she had to leave her baby girl with the neighbor ."When she was eight months old, I had to leave her daytime's with the woman downstairs to whom she was no miracle at all, for I worked or looked for work and for Emily’s father, who “could no longer endure” (he wrote in his goodbye note) “sharing want with us.” It was difficult for Emily's mother to take care of her because she had to work in order to support her child that made her do sacrifices. Emily's child hood wasn't the perfect one too but it does have a round character by the way her mother changes with in the story as Eunice also states that Emily wasn't the funniest but that she "sometimes, to make me laugh , or out of her despair , she would imitate happening or types at school" there it was when Emily also made her self know.

In “I Stand Here Ironing” this story is being told by the perspective of the mother of Emily that her girl had a rough childhood by her working all day and making sacrifices that made her miss certain parts of Emily’s infant life. As the story continue Emily’s mother start to talk about her negatively that she looked the same as her father “walking quick and nervous like her father, looking like her father, thin, and dressed in a shoddy red that yellowed her skin and glared at the pock marks.” But then positively that she also was really great making her laugh with her practical jokes she made those moments special and great that was basically the only quality time they spend. Emily is going both flat and round characters; the round character would be that she helps her mother no matter what is going on because she knows deep on her that her mother loves her and the flat is that is one dimensional how her childhood years were mostly.