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Andrew O 1. Are you saying that you are Republican not criticizing or a Democrat who IS criticizing? (and) If you are criticizing him why have you read over 2500 pages of his trilogy to date? 2. Sex scene in every chapter? (not true) 3. Why do find it offensive to read about MLKing having an affair?
1. I don't support either party, The party I like the most is Peace and Freedom.
2. I really enjoyed the first 2 books, and feel this one was sub-par so that author filled with nearly every character having an affair to try and make it interesting. Which got old. Frankly it's almost like the same author didn't even write this book.
3. I have come across no evidence that would suggest MLK had affairs, and to suggest such in a story I feel is just cheap, and only done to attract controversy.
Andrew Obrigewitsch: I wish I understood your agenda for creating mischief in a literary critique / commentary such as this in GoodReads. I pointed initially your exaggeration about 'sex in every chapter' and now you make some wild assertion where you sound like you have , with due diligence, professionally completed all the necessary research to prove or disprove the affairs of MLK.
Even a simple research project using 'Snopes' will provide you details of the affairs and give you proofs. Snopes being a reporting site of scams and shams on the internet with an earned 'excellent' reputation.
But in order for you to start may I recommend his friend and close associate who wrote two or more biographies on MLK. Here is one:
Ralph David Abernathy acknowledged in his 1989 autobiography, 'And the Walls Came Tumbling Down', that Martin Luther King engaged in extramarital affairs (evidence of which was somtimes recorded by the FBI through hotel room bugs) ..., Abernathy talks of "the attraction to him by Black women, but states quite emphatically that he never knew King to have any sexual involvement with white women at all" He further wrote:
"Much has been written in recent years about my friend's weakness for women. Had others not dealt with the matter in such detail, I might have avoided any commentary. Unfortunately, some of these commentators have told only the bare facts without suggesting the reasons why Martin might have indulged in such behavior. They have also left a false impression about the range of his activities (wild orgies etc proven false). Martin and I were away more often than we were at home; and while this was no excuse for extramarital relations, it was a reason. Some men are better able to bear such deprivations than others, though all of us in SCLC headquarters had our weak moments. We all understood and believed in the biblical prohibition against sex outside of marriage. It was just that he had a particularly difficult time with that temptation. In addition to his personal vulnerability, he was also a man who attracted women, even when he didn't intend to, and attracted them in droves..."
Abernathy leaves no doubt in the minds of his readers of MLK's involvement with women while married and he also discusses his wife knowing about it.
In my opinion, you should stop making a nuisance of yourself here by attempting to claim you have any serious knowledge of history, leaders or politics. "Peace and Freedom" are not parties as you well know; but they are the challenges of every person on Earth. They are what we fight for. The reason we still make war is because we have not yet and have never achieved peace and freedom on this planet - ever! Now let's criticize this novel earnestly or give it its deserved due!
The lesson that Ken Follett is, in my opinion, attempting to send to us all is not to have illusions of any party, leader, religion, nation, cabal or group; each of them have within themselves a streak of evil where they use any power they are given, win or achieve - to abuse others. We have not found a way to stop it. We bicker amongst ourselves instead of creating an inner peace in all and every one of our actions.
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Andrew O 1. Are you saying that you are Republican not criticizing or a Democrat who IS criticizing? (and) If you are criticizing him why have you read over 2500 pages of his trilogy to date? 2. Sex scene in every chapter? (not true) 3. Why do find it offensive to read about MLKing having an affair?
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1. I don't support either party, The party I like the most is Peace and Freedom. 2. I really enjoyed the first 2 books, and feel this one was sub-par so that author filled with nearly every character having an affair to try and make it interesting. Which got old. Frankly it's almost like the same author didn't even write this book.
3. I have come across no evidence that would suggest MLK had affairs, and to suggest such in a story I feel is just cheap, and only done to attract controversy.
Andrew Obrigewitsch: I wish I understood your agenda for creating mischief in a literary critique / commentary such as this in GoodReads. I pointed initially your exaggeration about 'sex in every chapter' and now you make some wild assertion where you sound like you have , with due diligence, professionally completed all the necessary research to prove or disprove the affairs of MLK. Even a simple research project using 'Snopes' will provide you details of the affairs and give you proofs. Snopes being a reporting site of scams and shams on the internet with an earned 'excellent' reputation.
But in order for you to start may I recommend his friend and close associate who wrote two or more biographies on MLK. Here is one:
Ralph David Abernathy acknowledged in his 1989 autobiography, 'And the Walls Came Tumbling Down', that Martin Luther King engaged in extramarital affairs (evidence of which was somtimes recorded by the FBI through hotel room bugs) ..., Abernathy talks of "the attraction to him by Black women, but states quite emphatically that he never knew King to have any sexual involvement with white women at all" He further wrote:
"Much has been written in recent years about my friend's weakness for women. Had others not dealt with the matter in such detail, I might have avoided any commentary. Unfortunately, some of these commentators have told only the bare facts without suggesting the reasons why Martin might have indulged in such behavior. They have also left a false impression about the range of his activities (wild orgies etc proven false). Martin and I were away more often than we were at home; and while this was no excuse for extramarital relations, it was a reason. Some men are better able to bear such deprivations than others, though all of us in SCLC headquarters had our weak moments. We all understood and believed in the biblical prohibition against sex outside of marriage. It was just that he had a particularly difficult time with that temptation. In addition to his personal vulnerability, he was also a man who attracted women, even when he didn't intend to, and attracted them in droves..."
Abernathy leaves no doubt in the minds of his readers of MLK's involvement with women while married and he also discusses his wife knowing about it.
In my opinion, you should stop making a nuisance of yourself here by attempting to claim you have any serious knowledge of history, leaders or politics. "Peace and Freedom" are not parties as you well know; but they are the challenges of every person on Earth. They are what we fight for. The reason we still make war is because we have not yet and have never achieved peace and freedom on this planet - ever! Now let's criticize this novel earnestly or give it its deserved due!
The lesson that Ken Follett is, in my opinion, attempting to send to us all is not to have illusions of any party, leader, religion, nation, cabal or group; each of them have within themselves a streak of evil where they use any power they are given, win or achieve - to abuse others. We have not found a way to stop it. We bicker amongst ourselves instead of creating an inner peace in all and every one of our actions.
