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I guess this is the answer. But I agree that with all that buildup, the resolution of the prophecy was strangely muddled. I still don't see good old Mary as much of a temptress. Now, Mrs. Coulter, there's a temptress. Also, the prophecy was that Lyra couldn't know what she was doing. But if the choice was between being with Will and leaving a door open for the dead, seems like she had a pretty good idea what the stakes were. My guess is that Pullman set everything up and then got kind of bored with his planned resolution by the time he got to the end and had thought of an ending he liked better. But ... he still had to follow through, albeit reluctantly.
Similarly, the subtle knife was built up as the only way Asriel and the rebel angels could defeat the Authority. But in the end, unless I missed something, Asriel et ux just jumped on Metatron and finished him off all by themselves.
if you want something more literal, mary gives lyra the fruit that she feeds to will which immediately results in them becoming physically intimate.
for sandy's second issue. metatron is not the authority. the authority is in the crystal bubble that lyra and will run across. they cut it open with the subtle knife and let the authority out- the authority immediately dissolves in to the air as angels do when their existence comes to an end
In response to Sandy's first comment: The temptress didn't have to take a particular form. Maybe you thought the temptress was meant to be a bad person, but why would that be the case? The Magisterium wanted to kill the temptress, meaning that whoever that person was, they were probably on the "good" side.
Lyra couldn't know what she was going to do. And she didn't. She heard Mary's story about falling in love, and it awakened her to her own feelings of love for Will. That was the temptation, and then she fell. That changed the flow of Dust, which saved the world. The choice about which doors to leave open wasn't the Fall. That was just Lyra and Will making a mature and adult decision with their new-found sense of adulthood. It showed that they had grown up and lost their innocence.
Not sure why love is a Fall. But then I never really understood why Adam and Eve suddenly realizing they should put some damn clothes on was a Fall.
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I guess this is the answer. But I agree that with all that buildup, the resolution of the prophecy was strangely muddled. I still don't see good old Mary as much of a temptress. Now, Mrs. Coulter, there's a temptress. Also, the prophecy was that Lyra couldn't know what she was doing. But if the choice was between being with Will and leaving a door open for the dead, seems like she had a pretty good idea what the stakes were. My guess is that Pullman set everything up and then got kind of bored with his planned resolution by the time he got to the end and had thought of an ending he liked better. But ... he still had to follow through, albeit reluctantly.
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Similarly, the subtle knife was built up as the only way Asriel and the rebel angels could defeat the Authority. But in the end, unless I missed something, Asriel et ux just jumped on Metatron and finished him off all by themselves.
if you want something more literal, mary gives lyra the fruit that she feeds to will which immediately results in them becoming physically intimate. for sandy's second issue. metatron is not the authority. the authority is in the crystal bubble that lyra and will run across. they cut it open with the subtle knife and let the authority out- the authority immediately dissolves in to the air as angels do when their existence comes to an end
In response to Sandy's first comment: The temptress didn't have to take a particular form. Maybe you thought the temptress was meant to be a bad person, but why would that be the case? The Magisterium wanted to kill the temptress, meaning that whoever that person was, they were probably on the "good" side.Lyra couldn't know what she was going to do. And she didn't. She heard Mary's story about falling in love, and it awakened her to her own feelings of love for Will. That was the temptation, and then she fell. That changed the flow of Dust, which saved the world. The choice about which doors to leave open wasn't the Fall. That was just Lyra and Will making a mature and adult decision with their new-found sense of adulthood. It showed that they had grown up and lost their innocence.
Not sure why love is a Fall. But then I never really understood why Adam and Eve suddenly realizing they should put some damn clothes on was a Fall.
