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Yeah, you sure are entitled...that's all I see...entitled entitled entitled.
If you watch the interviews with Pat or read the acknowledgements in the first book, you'll realize it took him over 12 years to write, which one could argue is why it was as good as it is. You can be as annoyed as you want, but if he wrote it in the reasonable time (whatever that means lol) that you want, it probably wont be very good and you'll complain some more. Bad book on time or great book that took a while? I'd personally choose the latter. Not like there's a shortage of fantasy to read...
"To my father, who taught me that if I was going to do something, I should take my time and do it right."--Pat Rothfuss.
I wish there was a way to ban petulant assholes from ever reading the book
Ugh. Since when are artists beholden to anyone else? Did you like the first two? Then count your lucky stars. As if waiting for the 3rd book somehow lessens the first two. They were amazing, some of my favorites ever. I've read them multiple times. Will I be very excited to read the first when it is published? Of course! But you're not a "customer." You're a consumer.
You didn't buy a trilogy. You bought a book and hopefully you liked it enough to be interested in the next ones, if they are published. Honestly, your self-entitlement makes me nauseous.
Of course you have a right to complain, but it makes you look like an oaf.
Perspective is a wonderful thing. Since The Name of the Wind was published:
Patrick Rothfuss has written 3 books. 650,000 words. (Approx)
Brandon Sanderson has written 17 books. 3,824,000 words (Approx)
6 to 1. (Approx)
Excluding novellas, which BS has more, and excluding Alcatraz which would make this even worse
The long wait simply leaves a bad taste in my mouth and a lack of respect for the work ethic of the author. I have no problem at all just torrenting the book when it comes out and I will never read a GRRM book again. Finish or don’t finish but I also now have the choice to pay or not pay.
No, you fucking don't have the option to pay or not legally. You have not paid for this book, and therefore have no entitlement to it. He has not done anything illegal simply by not releasing something nobody has paid for.
you're not entitled to future art just because you previously bought some. If you'd pre-ordered his book years ago, then maybe your ire would be justified--but you haven't, so you have no reason to demand anything.
imo, he didn't release two great books, he released 2/3's of a story. It was his choice to break up his story into 3 separate books. It was his choice to start making money off the 1/3'd before the story was complete. For writer's who produce consistently, that wouldn't be a problem. But for someone who can't seem to figure it out- it was a mistake.
I'm not sure anyone has mentioned it yet but a book is not ministrone soup and a baked potato. I can't believe someone has to tell you this but a book takes many years of good effort and hard work and a ministrone soup and one baked potato is MAYBE a couple of hours if you're dragging it. Be respectful. He has a life of his own, family and friends and a job and responsibilities. Let him live.
"let him live"... Fans of his unfinished story ARE what supports him financially and literally lets him live. He decided to release and sell the first parts of an unfinished story- now everyone is supposed to feel bad for him because he didn't plan/produce well? This guy isn't on his deathbed.., he just doesn't know how to finish the story, which he should have figured out before he cashed in
@Connor THIS !!!!
@Heleen : go do your research proprely and THEN AND ONLY THEN, come back and tell us to let him live... unbelievable.. as if we hold a barricade at his home or something.. stop ass licking him for God's sake
You purchased 2/3 of the product and you got 2/3 of the product. Once the last 1/3 is released you can purchase it. It's not like you lost any money; you got what you payed for. You haven't payed for desert yet because the chef said desert is delayed.
You still got an amazing story/experience out of it. The world is full of books. Occupy yourself with something else in the meantime while he polishes this.
I want this last(?) book more than anything else right now too, but just give him a break. The last thing we need is a rushed and underwhelming conclusion.
@Josh : It's been more than 9 years of ''polishing a book supposed to be already written..why can't people understand this ??? It's very simple in fact, we just need an updates on the status of this supposed polishing thing that takes a decade.. SMH
I'm with Russell and it looks like the vast majority of people voted their agreement with him. It also seems his response attracted all the internet trolls. lol.
i wouldn't say 309 are a "vast majority" of people, when there's likely quite a lot of readers of the first two books who don't even have a goodreads account
But that's the point: You did not order a steak. You are wanting and asking for a work of art. You cannot order art - and neither can Rothfuss.
1. You're actually not a customer of this product yet.
2. Pat hasn't sold it as a trilogy. It's coming out one book at a time.
3. Your analogy is rife with logical fallacy.
4. Semantics are a fun way to slap people in the face with context.
Nobody obliged you to read his books. Nobody's nobody's bitch.
This is an analogy I've thought of, but - as your detractors point out - it _is_ imperfect since the first courses aren't rendered mostly pointless if you don't get the steak. However (to stick with it) it is infuriating to see the chef delivering other orders that have been placed *after* yours and refusing to answer queries about how long you should expect to wait.
Neil Gaiman on the blog post linked in one of the early replies says that we didn't enter into a contract with the author, but I think there is an implied contract. Writing may be art, but why should artists be immune to delivering what they promised, even if that promise had no legal basis?
And you wrote this SIX YEARS AGO and still the book hasn’t been released. To add to your metaphor about the steak and soup, it would be like you sitting in that restaurant for SIX YEARS and the waiter telling you he still doesn’t know when your steak will be done.
worst metaphor I've seen lol, you didn't order anything when this series started. If you want to make it somewhat more relevant, a resteraunt you love has released two awesome dishes, but the promised third dish hasn't been released yet. You write as if because he said it's coming, it would be out soon.
Please Josh, don´t be ridiculous, a story is composed of an arc, it´s composed of different elements and at the end there is a conclusion. When someone says that the story is complete and the three books are written they are advertizing the complete product is finished and ask for you to start investing in the story. For F%&s shake the author made a point of having the whole story ready so people wouldn´t be remiss to buy the first book on the fear they would have to wait a lot for the rest. So please don´t try to say that these are different dishes that are unrelated to each other because that´s not the case and the product wouldn´t have been delivered till the last part of it is delivered.
Its like going to a restaurant and the chef telling you he has a fantastic complete menu consisting of 3 different dishes and then giving you 2 and keep you waiting for ages while still hungry. In fact is even worse because for this example to work you cant get out of the restaurant and go to a different one as this is a story and only him can complete it.
It´s like asking for furniture from IKEA and receiving only part of the pieces for 2/3 of the price. The product isn´t complete wether or not he sells the story in three parts.
And this is the case and nobody can reasonable suggest otherwise not just because it´s common sense, but because the author himself made a point of selling it as a complete product consisting of three parts and selling the very first part ON THE PROMISE that the rest was ready to be delivered one book a year. He MADE A POINT to sell it like that. He made that promise. So until and if he delivers the last part he hadn´t delivered the product, and an incomplete product is more frustrating and less satisfying that havent received no product at all because you are stuck waiting for the last part even if he already got 2/3 of the money of the complete product. I know I wish never to have read the first book. I believed his word, I believed on what he promised, and he was either wrong (which speaks poorly of his proffesionalism) or he was lying (which speaks poorly of who he is as a person), either way he doesn´t deserve to be defended just because you liked the books.
He may not be my bitch but sure as hell I am not going to be scammed and defend him. Even if he were to release it now he would have broken many peoples trust. Not to mention even his editor acknowledge he hasn´t wrote anything in the last 6 or 7 years. He may even be waiting for a deal for a TV series or movies and kept the conclusion of the story as a hostage to release together with those or inmediatly after, when more people would get to know the books and nobody could know the conclusion before the TV series reach it. Or maybe he just isn´t able to finish the story because he can´t tie all the things he has been leaving through the previous books or whatever the reason, in any case, he sold just 2/3 of a product he promised to be complete and that was not true. We have waited for over a decade till the last book. We have waited for over 12 years since the year the third book was promised to be released, and this was his promise to potential customers before releasing the first book.
"I've already written them. So you won't have to wait forever for them to come out. They'll be released on a regular schedule. One per year.
You can also expect the second book to be written with the same degree of care and detail as this first one. You know the sophomore slump? When a writer's second novel is weaker because they're suddenly forced to write under deadline? I don't have to worry about that because my next two novels are already good to go."
"It's making me an unsatisfied customer."
I'm sorry, did you pre-order the third book? Was it up for sale and I was unaware of it?
I see that you think you own this author's time because you've bought his previous works. Would you like to speak to the manager of artistic inspiration and mental health so this non-existent entity can force him to write faster?
No Jeff, it would be sufficient if he wouldn´t have lied (either that or he didn´t know what it means to have the "next two novels already good to go". He can´t blame not having the books out on mental illness or a sudden lack of artistic inspiration because he promised the books were already good to go and that "they'll be released on a regular schedule. One per year.", you know, together with "I've already written them."
I can't believe you're comparing a book with dinner courses XDDDDDDDD
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If you watch the interviews with Pat or read the acknowledgements in the first book, you'll realize it took him over 12 years to write, which one could argue is why it was as good as it is. You can be as annoyed as you want, but if he wrote it in the reasonable time (whatever that means lol) that you want, it probably wont be very good and you'll complain some more. Bad book on time or great book that took a while? I'd personally choose the latter. Not like there's a shortage of fantasy to read..."To my father, who taught me that if I was going to do something, I should take my time and do it right."--Pat Rothfuss.
I wish there was a way to ban petulant assholes from ever reading the book
Ugh. Since when are artists beholden to anyone else? Did you like the first two? Then count your lucky stars. As if waiting for the 3rd book somehow lessens the first two. They were amazing, some of my favorites ever. I've read them multiple times. Will I be very excited to read the first when it is published? Of course! But you're not a "customer." You're a consumer. You didn't buy a trilogy. You bought a book and hopefully you liked it enough to be interested in the next ones, if they are published. Honestly, your self-entitlement makes me nauseous.
Of course you have a right to complain, but it makes you look like an oaf.
Perspective is a wonderful thing. Since The Name of the Wind was published:Patrick Rothfuss has written 3 books. 650,000 words. (Approx)
Brandon Sanderson has written 17 books. 3,824,000 words (Approx)
6 to 1. (Approx)
Excluding novellas, which BS has more, and excluding Alcatraz which would make this even worse
The long wait simply leaves a bad taste in my mouth and a lack of respect for the work ethic of the author. I have no problem at all just torrenting the book when it comes out and I will never read a GRRM book again. Finish or don’t finish but I also now have the choice to pay or not pay.
No, you fucking don't have the option to pay or not legally. You have not paid for this book, and therefore have no entitlement to it. He has not done anything illegal simply by not releasing something nobody has paid for.
you're not entitled to future art just because you previously bought some. If you'd pre-ordered his book years ago, then maybe your ire would be justified--but you haven't, so you have no reason to demand anything.
imo, he didn't release two great books, he released 2/3's of a story. It was his choice to break up his story into 3 separate books. It was his choice to start making money off the 1/3'd before the story was complete. For writer's who produce consistently, that wouldn't be a problem. But for someone who can't seem to figure it out- it was a mistake.
I'm not sure anyone has mentioned it yet but a book is not ministrone soup and a baked potato. I can't believe someone has to tell you this but a book takes many years of good effort and hard work and a ministrone soup and one baked potato is MAYBE a couple of hours if you're dragging it. Be respectful. He has a life of his own, family and friends and a job and responsibilities. Let him live.
"let him live"... Fans of his unfinished story ARE what supports him financially and literally lets him live. He decided to release and sell the first parts of an unfinished story- now everyone is supposed to feel bad for him because he didn't plan/produce well? This guy isn't on his deathbed.., he just doesn't know how to finish the story, which he should have figured out before he cashed in
@Connor THIS !!!! @Heleen : go do your research proprely and THEN AND ONLY THEN, come back and tell us to let him live... unbelievable.. as if we hold a barricade at his home or something.. stop ass licking him for God's sake
You purchased 2/3 of the product and you got 2/3 of the product. Once the last 1/3 is released you can purchase it. It's not like you lost any money; you got what you payed for. You haven't payed for desert yet because the chef said desert is delayed.You still got an amazing story/experience out of it. The world is full of books. Occupy yourself with something else in the meantime while he polishes this.
I want this last(?) book more than anything else right now too, but just give him a break. The last thing we need is a rushed and underwhelming conclusion.
@Josh : It's been more than 9 years of ''polishing a book supposed to be already written..why can't people understand this ??? It's very simple in fact, we just need an updates on the status of this supposed polishing thing that takes a decade.. SMH
I'm with Russell and it looks like the vast majority of people voted their agreement with him. It also seems his response attracted all the internet trolls. lol.
i wouldn't say 309 are a "vast majority" of people, when there's likely quite a lot of readers of the first two books who don't even have a goodreads account
But that's the point: You did not order a steak. You are wanting and asking for a work of art. You cannot order art - and neither can Rothfuss.
1. You're actually not a customer of this product yet. 2. Pat hasn't sold it as a trilogy. It's coming out one book at a time.
3. Your analogy is rife with logical fallacy.
4. Semantics are a fun way to slap people in the face with context.
Nobody obliged you to read his books. Nobody's nobody's bitch.
This is an analogy I've thought of, but - as your detractors point out - it _is_ imperfect since the first courses aren't rendered mostly pointless if you don't get the steak. However (to stick with it) it is infuriating to see the chef delivering other orders that have been placed *after* yours and refusing to answer queries about how long you should expect to wait.Neil Gaiman on the blog post linked in one of the early replies says that we didn't enter into a contract with the author, but I think there is an implied contract. Writing may be art, but why should artists be immune to delivering what they promised, even if that promise had no legal basis?
And you wrote this SIX YEARS AGO and still the book hasn’t been released. To add to your metaphor about the steak and soup, it would be like you sitting in that restaurant for SIX YEARS and the waiter telling you he still doesn’t know when your steak will be done.
worst metaphor I've seen lol, you didn't order anything when this series started. If you want to make it somewhat more relevant, a resteraunt you love has released two awesome dishes, but the promised third dish hasn't been released yet. You write as if because he said it's coming, it would be out soon.
Please Josh, don´t be ridiculous, a story is composed of an arc, it´s composed of different elements and at the end there is a conclusion. When someone says that the story is complete and the three books are written they are advertizing the complete product is finished and ask for you to start investing in the story. For F%&s shake the author made a point of having the whole story ready so people wouldn´t be remiss to buy the first book on the fear they would have to wait a lot for the rest. So please don´t try to say that these are different dishes that are unrelated to each other because that´s not the case and the product wouldn´t have been delivered till the last part of it is delivered.Its like going to a restaurant and the chef telling you he has a fantastic complete menu consisting of 3 different dishes and then giving you 2 and keep you waiting for ages while still hungry. In fact is even worse because for this example to work you cant get out of the restaurant and go to a different one as this is a story and only him can complete it.
It´s like asking for furniture from IKEA and receiving only part of the pieces for 2/3 of the price. The product isn´t complete wether or not he sells the story in three parts.
And this is the case and nobody can reasonable suggest otherwise not just because it´s common sense, but because the author himself made a point of selling it as a complete product consisting of three parts and selling the very first part ON THE PROMISE that the rest was ready to be delivered one book a year. He MADE A POINT to sell it like that. He made that promise. So until and if he delivers the last part he hadn´t delivered the product, and an incomplete product is more frustrating and less satisfying that havent received no product at all because you are stuck waiting for the last part even if he already got 2/3 of the money of the complete product. I know I wish never to have read the first book. I believed his word, I believed on what he promised, and he was either wrong (which speaks poorly of his proffesionalism) or he was lying (which speaks poorly of who he is as a person), either way he doesn´t deserve to be defended just because you liked the books.
He may not be my bitch but sure as hell I am not going to be scammed and defend him. Even if he were to release it now he would have broken many peoples trust. Not to mention even his editor acknowledge he hasn´t wrote anything in the last 6 or 7 years. He may even be waiting for a deal for a TV series or movies and kept the conclusion of the story as a hostage to release together with those or inmediatly after, when more people would get to know the books and nobody could know the conclusion before the TV series reach it. Or maybe he just isn´t able to finish the story because he can´t tie all the things he has been leaving through the previous books or whatever the reason, in any case, he sold just 2/3 of a product he promised to be complete and that was not true. We have waited for over a decade till the last book. We have waited for over 12 years since the year the third book was promised to be released, and this was his promise to potential customers before releasing the first book.
"I've already written them. So you won't have to wait forever for them to come out. They'll be released on a regular schedule. One per year.
You can also expect the second book to be written with the same degree of care and detail as this first one. You know the sophomore slump? When a writer's second novel is weaker because they're suddenly forced to write under deadline? I don't have to worry about that because my next two novels are already good to go."
"It's making me an unsatisfied customer."I'm sorry, did you pre-order the third book? Was it up for sale and I was unaware of it?
I see that you think you own this author's time because you've bought his previous works. Would you like to speak to the manager of artistic inspiration and mental health so this non-existent entity can force him to write faster?
No Jeff, it would be sufficient if he wouldn´t have lied (either that or he didn´t know what it means to have the "next two novels already good to go". He can´t blame not having the books out on mental illness or a sudden lack of artistic inspiration because he promised the books were already good to go and that "they'll be released on a regular schedule. One per year.", you know, together with "I've already written them."
I can't believe you're comparing a book with dinner courses XDDDDDDDD
