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Meike You make some very good points in your review, particularly that we already have preconceived notions or ideas about those living in Appalachia AND it went on for far too long. I did not like this book at all, so I was comforted to read your review and understand better why I did not like it. Side note-I have seen her read in person and she’s quite an entertaining, lively person. So it pained me to write that I did not like this novel. Happy New Year!
Royce wrote: "Meike You make some very good points in your review, particularly that we already have preconceived notions or ideas about those living in Appalachia AND it went on for far too long. I did not like..."
Thank you, Royce! I was also struggling, because I liked Demon as a character, but I was really upset about the borderline manipulative construction of the story. It is certainly not written with bad intentions, but on a certain level, it's a travesty of the people in Appalachia. Oh well, I hope there will be better books next year! :-) Happy New Year to you, too!
Do you think your criticisms of the novel could be part of what makes it so Dickensian? I mean no one reads Oliver Twist for the nuanced and surprising depictions of the Victorian underclass! And the social ills Dickens attacks are pretty obvious. But Dickens knew that milieu as Kingsolver, raised and still resident there, knows Appalachia.
Lee wrote: "Do you think your criticisms of the novel could be part of what makes it so Dickensian? I mean no one reads Oliver Twist for the nuanced and surprising depictions of the Victorian underclass! And t..."
I think it's pretty unfair to judge Dickens by today's standards: When he wrote about the underclass, this wasn't even deemed a proper subject for serious literature, which is part of why his writing was so impactful. He pointed out taboo issues. Kingsolver, on the other hand, has published this in 2022, and when she wants to refer to Dickens (fair enough), she still needs to respond to the current social climate and state of aesthetic debates, just as Dickens did during his time. Kingsolver does not have one original or provocative thought here regarding social issues, and aesthetically, there is also not much to see. Just using Dickens as a cutesy foil does not do it for me.
What a well written review. I have actually stopped reading Kingsolver because of this hidden political agenda in fiction… you articulate what Kingsolver is doing so well … it was comforting to me.
Lisa wrote: "What a well written review. I have actually stopped reading Kingsolver because of this hidden political agenda in fiction… you articulate what Kingsolver is doing so well … it was comforting to me."
Thank you very much, Lisa! I have nothing against political fiction in general, but this was just too self-serving and simplistic for my liking.
Terrific analysis, Meike. A book club I am often missing from chose Demon Copperhead as their December read and I just couldn't go there. Crowd pleasing socially redeeming feel good delight just isn't my material. Perhaps I'm being too judgmental but, I felt my life would go on if I didn't read this. I am doing well.
Joe wrote: "Terrific analysis, Meike. A book club I am often missing from chose Demon Copperhead as their December read and I just couldn't go there. Crowd pleasing socially redeeming feel good delight just is..."
Thank you, Joe! I just read a new theoretical analysis on contemporary fiction (Populärer Realismus: Vom International Style gegenwärtigen Erzählens), and looking at Demon, there are quite some recognizable aspects when it comes to the recipe for novels that sell... so yes, very marketable stuff, but no exactly life-changing.
Wow. Yes. I absolutely agree. I’m really struggling with this one. I loved her, PWB so much…so I was excited to read this. This may seem lame, but I’m really struggling most with how intense and extreme the language is…I get that it perfectly aligns with Damon’s character, but wow. It’s a lot to absorb. Anywho. Great review.
Adrienne wrote: "Wow. Yes. I absolutely agree. I’m really struggling with this one. I loved her, PWB so much…so I was excited to read this. This may seem lame, but I’m really struggling most with how intense and ex..."
Thank you very much, Adrienne! The language was the only thing that kept me going, so I imagine if that aspect also isn't for you, finishing the whole thing must be a real dare!
Excellent analysis and exactly what I kept feeling. I listened to the audio and I found that I grew weary of Demon's non-stop commentary, so I stopped at 50%. While opioid addiction and poverty are a very real part of all parts of America, I can turn on the news to read about the horrors. It would have been a better story if it offered a wholistic view of these issues: the role of capitalism, politics and the historical treatment of people who are poor. Perhaps she went there later in the book but I just couldn't listen anymore. Her writing remains beautiful.
Sue wrote: "Excellent analysis and exactly what I kept feeling. I listened to the audio and I found that I grew weary of Demon's non-stop commentary, so I stopped at 50%. While opioid addiction and poverty are..."
Thank you very much, Sue! I also felt like the commentary of the book remained too superficial, it kept saying what was to be expected - which is a shame, because the premise is excellent, and Demon's sound is beautiful indeed!!
I do have a question for you. Have you actually spoken with or experienced the problems of folks like these, who live in Appalachia? Stereotypes become stereotypes for a very good reason. Unless you have personal experience with people who are living in these environments that Demon describes, I find it distasteful to pass judgment on Kingsolver, who has. Why should your superior judgment in this review convince us that any of your reasoning is anything more than your own agenda surfacing?
Deb wrote: "I do have a question for you. Have you actually spoken with or experienced the problems of folks like these, who live in Appalachia? Stereotypes become stereotypes for a very good reason. Unless yo..."
Take off your aluminium hat, Deb, I don't have an agenda, and I also don't pass judgement over Kingsolver, I discuss a book, which is the whole point of this platform. To say that only people who are similar to the author or similar to the characters are even allowed to talk about a book defeats the purpose of literature and is frankly rather idiotic. And yes: I did actually live in the Midwest for some time, where rural areas experience similar problems to those described by Kingsolver.
Non-fiction is a different matter, btw, which begs the question: I saw on your site that you describe the voice of a person in a memoir who was persecuted by the Nazis as feeling "inauthentic" (When Time Stopped: A Memoir of My Father's War and What Remains). Did you live in Nazi Germany that you dare to make such a statement about a victim of fascism?
nastya wrote: "ahaha, I laughed at *yaaaaawn* 😀"
This Women's Prize list looks sooooo middlebrow and dull! *argh*
Meike wrote: "nastya wrote: "ahaha, I laughed at *yaaaaawn* 😀"
This Women's Prize list looks sooooo middlebrow and dull! *argh*"
The moment I saw Maggie O'Farrell, I disappeared into the shrubbery just like Homer Simpson! But that's me :)
Kara wrote: ""Boy, it is long. It's insane. It just goes on. And on. And then it goes on."
I have heard such mixed reviews about this book, but I absolute loved reading your thoughts!"
Thank you very much, Kara!
nastya wrote: "Meike wrote: "The moment I saw Maggie O'Farrell, I disappeared into the shrubber..."
...and me! :-) The whole thing looks super beach-ready, I'm afraid.
Sonja wrote: "Ich finde den Preis immer trauriger. Es werden Frauen gepusht, de "schön schreiben können", aber nicht die, die etwas zu sagen hätten. Allerdings: wer weiß, wie die Einreichungen aussahen ;-) Ich l..."
Die Liste ist echt ne Katastrophe, Sonja, insbesondere, wenn man bedenkt, was stattdessen hätte nominiert werden können! Ich lese die Liste zum größten Teil nicht, regt mich zu sehr auf! :-) Ich schau ein paar Sachen an, das war's dann, bin aber sehr auf Deine Einschätzungen gespannt!!
Nori wrote: "You very eloquently summarize my feelings about the book. Still, like you , gave it 3 stars."
Thank you, Nori!
This message will never outstay its welcome until Purdue faces the truth of all the lost lives. It’s a novel, but so much of it is the truth, and these are not stereotypes. These are people who completely came alive for me.
THE best review I've seen of this book. Completely verbalizes what I've been thinking. Thank you, Meike.
Italiangirl wrote: "This message will never outstay its welcome until Purdue faces the truth of all the lost lives. It’s a novel, but so much of it is the truth, and these are not stereotypes. These are people who com..."
The novel does not improve as literature because it tackles the effects of Purdue's irresponsible marketing / lies. It's still a kitschy cliché fest. A really good book about Purdue is Empire of Pain: The Secret History of the Sackler Dynasty.
Wendy wrote: "THE best review I've seen of this book. Completely verbalizes what I've been thinking. Thank you, Meike."
Thank you very much for your kind words, Wendy!
And now it has won the Pulitzer, the first Appalachian novel to do so in 64 years. But the difference between A Death in the Family and Demon Copperhead is astounding. Not because the world has changed but because its problem hasn't. Agee and Dickens wrote novels. In every word and line of A Death in the Family, you feel the humility of the artist to the work. Dicken's belief in humanity is the soul of David Copperfield. Zealots don't make good novelists. Demon Copperhead is a religious tract. It's characters are joyless recruits, campaigning for the writer's image of a world she may occupy but does not live inside. Your review is spot on.
Anne wrote: "And now it has won the Pulitzer, the first Appalachian novel to do so in 64 years. But the difference between A Death in the Family and Demon Copperhead is astounding. Not because the world has cha..."
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a religious tract, Anne, but nuanced or original it is not.
Your review was perfect and exactly how I felt as well. What a frustrating and way too long book. Like someone who talks too much! Thanks for the review .
Kate wrote: "Your review was perfect and exactly how I felt as well. What a frustrating and way too long book. Like someone who talks too much! Thanks for the review ."
Thank you, Kate!
Wow. After reading this book I could not convey my feelings more perfectly than you have here. She managed me make me love Demon... but I will say, I did not enjoy this book. Barbara Kingsolver deserved the PPA for The Poisonwood Bible!
I wasn’t able to articulate the feelings this book evoked for me…it felt a lot like a self-flagellating, social Justice, long and drawn out and over played out narrative. Bored me to tears. Thank-you for eloquently putting into words my thoughts and feelings about this read.
Tracy wrote: "Wow. After reading this book I could not convey my feelings more perfectly than you have here. She managed me make me love Demon... but I will say, I did not enjoy this book. Barbara Kingsolver des..."
Thank you very much, Tracy!
Mona wrote: "I wasn’t able to articulate the feelings this book evoked for me…it felt a lot like a self-flagellating, social Justice, long and drawn out and over played out narrative. Bored me to tears. Thank-y..."
Thank you for your kind words, Mona!
Thank you so much for your review. I'm endlessly grateful for reviewers that can effectively and coherently express the same thoughts I've been having!! I felt like I read a completely different book than everyone else. Happy to have some better words to explain my thoughts! Thank you!
Amy wrote: "Thank you so much for your review. I'm endlessly grateful for reviewers that can effectively and coherently express the same thoughts I've been having!! I felt like I read a completely different bo..."
Thank you very much for your kind comment, Amy!
Meike You nailed it with your fantabulous review! Wow! And, my most favorite part is when you state “this unchallenging outrage activism,” because that’s exactly what it is! ;)
Brilliant review, Meike! I liked the book more than you did, but as I read your review, I kept nodding my head! Everything you say is so true! I just let myself get caught up in Demon’s life—just loved his voice. But I also agree that it was too long! It did go on and on.
Meike, you just demonstrated why I love Goodreads - Friends like you challenge my assumptions and help me see things in other ways. I gave Demon 5 stars, but when you said that Kingsolver gave us the stereotype Appalachia that was easy for us to accept, you opened my eyes. You are absolutely correct! Great review!
I was more generous in my star rating (4), but I had many of the same reservations. I felt it reinforced stereotypes rather than challenging them and contained Kingsolver's "brand" of getting on a soapbox and beating the reader to death with her explanations and outrage. (Why I stopped reading her years ago.) I did love Demon (when he wasn't over-explaining) and many of the other characters but wish I hadn't recently read D Copperfield as it spoiled where this one was going for me. Your critique of this book is well argued!
Royce wrote: "Meike You nailed it with your fantabulous review! Wow! And, my most favorite part is when you state “this unchallenging outrage activism,” because that’s exactly what it is! ;)"
Thank you very much, Royce!! And still, this is collecting prizes - and will almost certainly get Booker longlisted, argh!!
Debbie wrote: "Brilliant review, Meike! I liked the book more than you did, but as I read your review, I kept nodding my head! Everything you say is so true! I just let myself get caught up in Demon’s life—just l..."
Thank you, Debbie! The voice really is great, I agree - and imagine how good this could have been if the plot had been on the same level!
Loren wrote: "Meike, you just demonstrated why I love Goodreads - Friends like you challenge my assumptions and help me see things in other ways. I gave Demon 5 stars, but when you said that Kingsolver gave us t..."
Thank you very much, Loren! I wish I could have loved this more, because the topic is so important.
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Meike You make some very good points in your review, particularly that we already have preconceived notions or ideas about those living in Appalachia AND it went on for far too long. I did not like this book at all, so I was comforted to read your review and understand better why I did not like it. Side note-I have seen her read in person and she’s quite an entertaining, lively person. So it pained me to write that I did not like this novel. Happy New Year!
Royce wrote: "Meike You make some very good points in your review, particularly that we already have preconceived notions or ideas about those living in Appalachia AND it went on for far too long. I did not like..."Thank you, Royce! I was also struggling, because I liked Demon as a character, but I was really upset about the borderline manipulative construction of the story. It is certainly not written with bad intentions, but on a certain level, it's a travesty of the people in Appalachia. Oh well, I hope there will be better books next year! :-) Happy New Year to you, too!
Do you think your criticisms of the novel could be part of what makes it so Dickensian? I mean no one reads Oliver Twist for the nuanced and surprising depictions of the Victorian underclass! And the social ills Dickens attacks are pretty obvious. But Dickens knew that milieu as Kingsolver, raised and still resident there, knows Appalachia.
Lee wrote: "Do you think your criticisms of the novel could be part of what makes it so Dickensian? I mean no one reads Oliver Twist for the nuanced and surprising depictions of the Victorian underclass! And t..."I think it's pretty unfair to judge Dickens by today's standards: When he wrote about the underclass, this wasn't even deemed a proper subject for serious literature, which is part of why his writing was so impactful. He pointed out taboo issues. Kingsolver, on the other hand, has published this in 2022, and when she wants to refer to Dickens (fair enough), she still needs to respond to the current social climate and state of aesthetic debates, just as Dickens did during his time. Kingsolver does not have one original or provocative thought here regarding social issues, and aesthetically, there is also not much to see. Just using Dickens as a cutesy foil does not do it for me.
What a well written review. I have actually stopped reading Kingsolver because of this hidden political agenda in fiction… you articulate what Kingsolver is doing so well … it was comforting to me.
Lisa wrote: "What a well written review. I have actually stopped reading Kingsolver because of this hidden political agenda in fiction… you articulate what Kingsolver is doing so well … it was comforting to me."Thank you very much, Lisa! I have nothing against political fiction in general, but this was just too self-serving and simplistic for my liking.
Terrific analysis, Meike. A book club I am often missing from chose Demon Copperhead as their December read and I just couldn't go there. Crowd pleasing socially redeeming feel good delight just isn't my material. Perhaps I'm being too judgmental but, I felt my life would go on if I didn't read this. I am doing well.
Joe wrote: "Terrific analysis, Meike. A book club I am often missing from chose Demon Copperhead as their December read and I just couldn't go there. Crowd pleasing socially redeeming feel good delight just is..."Thank you, Joe! I just read a new theoretical analysis on contemporary fiction (Populärer Realismus: Vom International Style gegenwärtigen Erzählens), and looking at Demon, there are quite some recognizable aspects when it comes to the recipe for novels that sell... so yes, very marketable stuff, but no exactly life-changing.
Wow. Yes. I absolutely agree. I’m really struggling with this one. I loved her, PWB so much…so I was excited to read this. This may seem lame, but I’m really struggling most with how intense and extreme the language is…I get that it perfectly aligns with Damon’s character, but wow. It’s a lot to absorb. Anywho. Great review.
Adrienne wrote: "Wow. Yes. I absolutely agree. I’m really struggling with this one. I loved her, PWB so much…so I was excited to read this. This may seem lame, but I’m really struggling most with how intense and ex..."Thank you very much, Adrienne! The language was the only thing that kept me going, so I imagine if that aspect also isn't for you, finishing the whole thing must be a real dare!
Excellent analysis and exactly what I kept feeling. I listened to the audio and I found that I grew weary of Demon's non-stop commentary, so I stopped at 50%. While opioid addiction and poverty are a very real part of all parts of America, I can turn on the news to read about the horrors. It would have been a better story if it offered a wholistic view of these issues: the role of capitalism, politics and the historical treatment of people who are poor. Perhaps she went there later in the book but I just couldn't listen anymore. Her writing remains beautiful.
Sue wrote: "Excellent analysis and exactly what I kept feeling. I listened to the audio and I found that I grew weary of Demon's non-stop commentary, so I stopped at 50%. While opioid addiction and poverty are..."Thank you very much, Sue! I also felt like the commentary of the book remained too superficial, it kept saying what was to be expected - which is a shame, because the premise is excellent, and Demon's sound is beautiful indeed!!
I do have a question for you. Have you actually spoken with or experienced the problems of folks like these, who live in Appalachia? Stereotypes become stereotypes for a very good reason. Unless you have personal experience with people who are living in these environments that Demon describes, I find it distasteful to pass judgment on Kingsolver, who has. Why should your superior judgment in this review convince us that any of your reasoning is anything more than your own agenda surfacing?
Deb wrote: "I do have a question for you. Have you actually spoken with or experienced the problems of folks like these, who live in Appalachia? Stereotypes become stereotypes for a very good reason. Unless yo..."Take off your aluminium hat, Deb, I don't have an agenda, and I also don't pass judgement over Kingsolver, I discuss a book, which is the whole point of this platform. To say that only people who are similar to the author or similar to the characters are even allowed to talk about a book defeats the purpose of literature and is frankly rather idiotic. And yes: I did actually live in the Midwest for some time, where rural areas experience similar problems to those described by Kingsolver.
Non-fiction is a different matter, btw, which begs the question: I saw on your site that you describe the voice of a person in a memoir who was persecuted by the Nazis as feeling "inauthentic" (When Time Stopped: A Memoir of My Father's War and What Remains). Did you live in Nazi Germany that you dare to make such a statement about a victim of fascism?
nastya wrote: "ahaha, I laughed at *yaaaaawn* 😀"This Women's Prize list looks sooooo middlebrow and dull! *argh*
"Boy, it is long. It's insane. It just goes on. And on. And then it goes on."
I have heard such mixed reviews about this book, but I absolute loved reading your thoughts!
I have heard such mixed reviews about this book, but I absolute loved reading your thoughts!
Meike wrote: "nastya wrote: "ahaha, I laughed at *yaaaaawn* 😀"This Women's Prize list looks sooooo middlebrow and dull! *argh*"
The moment I saw Maggie O'Farrell, I disappeared into the shrubbery just like Homer Simpson! But that's me :)
Kara wrote: ""Boy, it is long. It's insane. It just goes on. And on. And then it goes on."I have heard such mixed reviews about this book, but I absolute loved reading your thoughts!"
Thank you very much, Kara!
nastya wrote: "Meike wrote: "The moment I saw Maggie O'Farrell, I disappeared into the shrubber..."...and me! :-) The whole thing looks super beach-ready, I'm afraid.
Sonja wrote: "Ich finde den Preis immer trauriger. Es werden Frauen gepusht, de "schön schreiben können", aber nicht die, die etwas zu sagen hätten. Allerdings: wer weiß, wie die Einreichungen aussahen ;-) Ich l..."Die Liste ist echt ne Katastrophe, Sonja, insbesondere, wenn man bedenkt, was stattdessen hätte nominiert werden können! Ich lese die Liste zum größten Teil nicht, regt mich zu sehr auf! :-) Ich schau ein paar Sachen an, das war's dann, bin aber sehr auf Deine Einschätzungen gespannt!!
Nori wrote: "You very eloquently summarize my feelings about the book. Still, like you , gave it 3 stars."Thank you, Nori!
This message will never outstay its welcome until Purdue faces the truth of all the lost lives. It’s a novel, but so much of it is the truth, and these are not stereotypes. These are people who completely came alive for me.
THE best review I've seen of this book. Completely verbalizes what I've been thinking. Thank you, Meike.
Italiangirl wrote: "This message will never outstay its welcome until Purdue faces the truth of all the lost lives. It’s a novel, but so much of it is the truth, and these are not stereotypes. These are people who com..."The novel does not improve as literature because it tackles the effects of Purdue's irresponsible marketing / lies. It's still a kitschy cliché fest. A really good book about Purdue is Empire of Pain: The Secret History of the Sackler Dynasty.
Wendy wrote: "THE best review I've seen of this book. Completely verbalizes what I've been thinking. Thank you, Meike."Thank you very much for your kind words, Wendy!
And now it has won the Pulitzer, the first Appalachian novel to do so in 64 years. But the difference between A Death in the Family and Demon Copperhead is astounding. Not because the world has changed but because its problem hasn't. Agee and Dickens wrote novels. In every word and line of A Death in the Family, you feel the humility of the artist to the work. Dicken's belief in humanity is the soul of David Copperfield. Zealots don't make good novelists. Demon Copperhead is a religious tract. It's characters are joyless recruits, campaigning for the writer's image of a world she may occupy but does not live inside. Your review is spot on.
Anne wrote: "And now it has won the Pulitzer, the first Appalachian novel to do so in 64 years. But the difference between A Death in the Family and Demon Copperhead is astounding. Not because the world has cha..."I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a religious tract, Anne, but nuanced or original it is not.
Your review was perfect and exactly how I felt as well. What a frustrating and way too long book. Like someone who talks too much! Thanks for the review .
Kate wrote: "Your review was perfect and exactly how I felt as well. What a frustrating and way too long book. Like someone who talks too much! Thanks for the review ."Thank you, Kate!
Wow. After reading this book I could not convey my feelings more perfectly than you have here. She managed me make me love Demon... but I will say, I did not enjoy this book. Barbara Kingsolver deserved the PPA for The Poisonwood Bible!
I wasn’t able to articulate the feelings this book evoked for me…it felt a lot like a self-flagellating, social Justice, long and drawn out and over played out narrative. Bored me to tears. Thank-you for eloquently putting into words my thoughts and feelings about this read.
Tracy wrote: "Wow. After reading this book I could not convey my feelings more perfectly than you have here. She managed me make me love Demon... but I will say, I did not enjoy this book. Barbara Kingsolver des..."Thank you very much, Tracy!
Mona wrote: "I wasn’t able to articulate the feelings this book evoked for me…it felt a lot like a self-flagellating, social Justice, long and drawn out and over played out narrative. Bored me to tears. Thank-y..."Thank you for your kind words, Mona!
Thank you so much for your review. I'm endlessly grateful for reviewers that can effectively and coherently express the same thoughts I've been having!! I felt like I read a completely different book than everyone else. Happy to have some better words to explain my thoughts! Thank you!
Amy wrote: "Thank you so much for your review. I'm endlessly grateful for reviewers that can effectively and coherently express the same thoughts I've been having!! I felt like I read a completely different bo..."Thank you very much for your kind comment, Amy!
Meike You nailed it with your fantabulous review! Wow! And, my most favorite part is when you state “this unchallenging outrage activism,” because that’s exactly what it is! ;)
Brilliant review, Meike! I liked the book more than you did, but as I read your review, I kept nodding my head! Everything you say is so true! I just let myself get caught up in Demon’s life—just loved his voice. But I also agree that it was too long! It did go on and on.
Meike, you just demonstrated why I love Goodreads - Friends like you challenge my assumptions and help me see things in other ways. I gave Demon 5 stars, but when you said that Kingsolver gave us the stereotype Appalachia that was easy for us to accept, you opened my eyes. You are absolutely correct! Great review!
I was more generous in my star rating (4), but I had many of the same reservations. I felt it reinforced stereotypes rather than challenging them and contained Kingsolver's "brand" of getting on a soapbox and beating the reader to death with her explanations and outrage. (Why I stopped reading her years ago.) I did love Demon (when he wasn't over-explaining) and many of the other characters but wish I hadn't recently read D Copperfield as it spoiled where this one was going for me. Your critique of this book is well argued!
Royce wrote: "Meike You nailed it with your fantabulous review! Wow! And, my most favorite part is when you state “this unchallenging outrage activism,” because that’s exactly what it is! ;)"Thank you very much, Royce!! And still, this is collecting prizes - and will almost certainly get Booker longlisted, argh!!
Debbie wrote: "Brilliant review, Meike! I liked the book more than you did, but as I read your review, I kept nodding my head! Everything you say is so true! I just let myself get caught up in Demon’s life—just l..."Thank you, Debbie! The voice really is great, I agree - and imagine how good this could have been if the plot had been on the same level!
Loren wrote: "Meike, you just demonstrated why I love Goodreads - Friends like you challenge my assumptions and help me see things in other ways. I gave Demon 5 stars, but when you said that Kingsolver gave us t..."Thank you very much, Loren! I wish I could have loved this more, because the topic is so important.



