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Very informative! I've always wondered what type of Native American blood I have.
This is a fascinating article. My father (Richard Montoya) always told us that his great grandfather immigrated from Barcelona, Spain. Now that I'm knee deep in the family history - I know this can't be true. They did come from Spain - probably 10 generations prior! I am at a brick wall with my gg-grandfather; however, based on the information I have, I do believe eventually we will trace back to Diego de Montoya. Thank you for all of this wonderful information.
Great New Mexico Pedigree Database, available on the internet, is highly recommended for anyone with roots in New Mexico. It has been of huge benefit to me in my genealogy research.
Thank you very much for taking the time to research and publish this information.
Nice to find this article and how can I get more information on the Griego's in New Mexico. The farthest I can go back is to Northern New Mexico and the Penasco area. I know many of the Griego's were very well known and my grandfather used to tell me stories of days gone by. I was told I had some indian in me however, I always kind of shrugged it off. This reading seems to verify that it could be true. thank you
Dexter wrote: "Nice to find this article and how can I get more information on the Griego's in New Mexico. The farthest I can go back is to Northern New Mexico and the Penasco area. I know many of the Griego's we..."
Hello Jose Antonio Esquibel,
I am fascinated with the info. on Maria de Zamora. Was this info gleaned from the citation of Angelico's NMF, p. 78, citation no 2, or from Don Diego de Varga's journals? In genealogical research it is important to quote a citation. Thank you. Benito Estevan Montoya
Bentio Estevan, the information about the origins of Maria de Zamora comes from several sources that I've cited in published articles. The main source is Archivo General de la Nciaón, México, Inquissición, tomo 467, folios 343-353. This record is dated December 1606 and is a denunciation to the Inquisition against María de Zamora accused of being a "hechiciera y bruja", "bewitcher and witch," for making and sharing potions. Also, there are records that describe two of her grandchildren as being "castizo", meaning one parent was regarded as "Español/a" and another was "Meztizo/a". These grandchildren were Catalina de Zamora and her brother Juan Luero de Godoy. We know from various records that the father of these sibligs was Pedro Lucero de Godoy, known to be "Español." This means that their mother, Petrona de Zamora was a mestiza. We know that Petrona's father, Bartolome de Montoya was a native of Castilla (Spain), and thus Petrona's mother, María de Zamora, was an Indian women.
Greetings Jose Antonio, Thank you for the Citation on Maria Zamora’s denunciation of the Inaqusition.
Does NMF, p.78, Citation No. 2, AGN, Mex., Inq., t. 462, f. 351 mention in what year Bartolome and Maria were married? If they were married in 1587, as suggested in Family Search, Bartolome would have been 15 years old. Also, Francisco, the first born was born in 1587. Ancestry File 326P-SQF.
Also, Family Search NMFC73, lists Bartolome as “Soldiers to go with Don Diego de Peralta” March 5, 1609. Any comments will be appreciated.
Thank you, Benito Estevan Montoya
Benito, unfortunately, the document does not indicate a date of marriage. The fact that Bartolome de Montoya and María de Zamora came to NM in 1598 with five children tells us that they were married at least by the early 1590s.
Hello Jose Antonio, Thank you for responding to my inquiry. I just completed a search for Bartolome de Montoya in Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias, v6, 1578-1586, and v7, 1586-1599, without any results. There is a Bartolome de Montoya, natural de Toledo, hijo de Bartolome de Montoya y de Dona Isabel de Maceda, al Peru, v7, p. 604, 1596. Do you have any idea on how we could track down this information?
Thank you very much, Benito Estevan Montoya
Although this is an intriguing entry, the Bartolome de Montoya who came to NM was a native of a town near Sevilla and was a son of Francisco de Montoya and who was already in the area of Mexico City by 1588; which you probably already know. Anyway, I'm familiar with a copy of the record for the Bartolome de Montoya that was from Toledo and sought license to go to Peru, which is available online. You can consult a digital image of 100+ pages of the record at http://pares.mcu.es/. Click on the tab that reads 'Búsqueda Sencilla'. In the search box, type the phrase: Bartolome de Montoya. Then, under 'Archivo General de Indias' click on 'Casa de la Contratación.' On the next page that come up, you should see the name of 'Bartolome de Montoya' for a record cited as Contratación, 5251B, N.1, R.47, and dated '1596-1-28'. Click on the icon of a camera to view the digital images of the record. The record consists of testimonies from various witnesses about the family and background of Bartolomé de Montoya, native of Toledo. Enjoy the search.
I am a descendant for Martin Serano /Dona Inez as well as Juan Greigo / La India .
I suspect that Martin Serano wasn't a Spaniard as mentioned in this article but rather a mestizo as it appears that there is no information as of yet on his mother . Am I correct to suspect this .
If this is correct their children would have been labeled coyote I the caste system .
Jaime,
Indications from the surviving records are that Hernan Martin Serrano, who came to NM in 1596, was an español, meaning that both of his parents were of European stock. However, once we find additional documentation, it may provide us with data that clarifies his origins. Given that his son, Hernan Martin Serrano, by Inez, a Tano Indian women, was consistently identified as "mestizo" (meaning one Spanish parent and one Indian parent) is another indication that Hernan Martin Serrano had two parents of European extraction.
I understand that but how can we be sure if he was Spanish if we don't have info on his mother ? Like I said I "suspect "that his mother may not have been Spanish . Until we have solid information on his mother that indeed she was from Spain or a Spanish criollo we can't say for sure he was "Spanish "
Hello. My Mom is a Lucero, we are related to Zamora's of Santa Fe and my Lucero Grandpa was (and his 4 brothers) raised by Montoya's and his Mom was a Griego. I've had my DNA tested and my maternal side has Mayan DNA markers), as well as some type of middle-eastern DNA. I am trying to verify if this is Sephardic or Moor. We are not sure. My Grandma was an Archuleta from Guadalupita, NM and on that side the DNA may be Basque? They were a land grant family but it seems that some of our Romero relatives gained the land by both positive & negative means...it is all now part of the National Forest near Angel Fire. Several of my Lucero-side cousins also do research. I liked your entry & info very much,
Hello Karen I think we share several ancestors , my family has many of the mames u mentioned , Romero , Archuleta , Griego and I think Lucero . Is Guadalupita the same as Guadalupe by Cabazon ?? My grandfather was born in Guadalupe
Hi Jamie. Well, here's the little village my maternal side are from in Mora County. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalu...
From what I've heard, Guadalupe usually refers to the county area west of Albuquerque...is that the location you mean? I'll ask my Mom, she knows all the names. Have you gotten your DNA tested? I found out through DNA that I'm even distant cousins to 'Father Bill' the priest that has been in the paper the past few years. And that he's a distant cousin of some sort to my hubby's side too. I guess we really are all related in NM! :)
I've have researched off and on..for about a year..and am intrigued by the many stories that I've read..and by many others that have ancestors in common with me..i have not taken blood tests ..yet..or had the names on the tree..verified...I had an idea..it would be great..if a collage of the decendantss of bloodlines can be made..to see if there are any resemblance ..I hope to meet distant relatives and share stories.God bless.
Good article. I am a Griego by birth. My father was born in Mora, NM and his family was there for generations. His paternal grandmother was Navajo according to his baptismal record.
Thank you for this excellent article! Bartolome' de Montoya and Maria de Zamora were my 9th Great Grandparents. My DNA tests at 20% Native American.
Great article!
I’m both Montoya and Lucero, but haven’t yet been able to document beyond the late 1700s and early 1800s. From that period forward, they resided in doña ana co., nm. Any helpful information will certainly be appreciated. I’d love to be able to get further.
thank you I am also a member of the lucero family he was my 13 great grandfather and I have 33% Native American blood was wondering who was the aunt of miguel lujan lucia what was her full name and does that mean I have Tewa ancesters????
Hi jose i really need your help. A genealogist is challenging me and saying i don't have enough evidence to prove Maria villafuente was a native. How can i prove this?
Robert, send me a message via email about the genealogist and the need to prove that she was an Indian. I can provide the source citation. jesquibel@yahoo.com
I am the 10th great grandaughte of Diego De Montoya brother of Antonio Montoya.. also related to the Martin Serranos,I am also in search of my blood family ties to the Zuni Pueblo/ Coyota . I would like to be able to actually prove my lineage to my native ancestors... if anyone can give me any information it would be greatly appreciated, my email is youngtalitha47@gmail.com
I've sent you an email - is it still jesquibel@yahoo.com? If there's a better address, please email me, Aimée Medina Carr, at aimeeac@gmail.com.
Gracias. I've just discovered your books and articles and find it all most enlightening.
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Hello,
I have been trying to figure out which tribe my Montoya family is part of. My Great Great Grandmother Maria Josefa Montoya was born to Manual Rafael Montoya and Juana Sandoval. I believe Maria Josefa Montoya was born in 1873. She married my Great Great Grandfather, Felipe Santiago Fernandez. I show the 1900 census list them as living in Ocate, Mora, New Mexico.
From Felipe Santiago Fernandez's obituary, it states he had 2 children with Josefa, with only 1 surviving. My Great Grandfather survied and is named Eliseo Fernandez.
My Aunt Lois paid some genealogist of whom stated Josefa is from Cochiti Pueblo, but I am not sure if this is correct. On familysearch.org, I have seen the baptism record for Maria Josefa Montoya, and it states Santa Clara.
If someone can please let me know if my Maria Josefa Montoya is from Cochiti Pueblo or the know tribe of her, it would be greatly appreciated. I do have 1 photo of Maria Josefa Montoya.
Thank you,
Jose Eliseo Guzman
Jose,
So sorry it's taking me this long to answer your message. I'm also in the process of doing my family's genealogy, and I think I discovered something helpful for you. Is your family from the Rio Grande Valley - New Mexico region? If so, I think you'll find Jose Esquibel's research very helpful.
Goodreads won't let me post Jose's video that I want to share, so email me, and I'll get it right to you.
All my family on both sides are from New Mexico, and I, too, have Montoya ancestors. We are probably related! I've done all my family tree on Family Search - I picked them because it's free. Also, they work closely with the New Mexico Genealogical Society, which I've become a member of and have found most helpful in my genealogical family search.
I don't check my Goodreads page often enough, so if you reply, please send me an email at aimeeac@gmail.com, and I'll get right back to you.
Happy ancestor hunting!
Aimée Medina Carr
author of River of Love
and forthcoming Wisdom Keepers
Thank you for this! It’s the best summary I’ve seen about early Spanish settlers with clear, documented ties to both Pueblo, and Aztec native families. Bravo!
Great info. I have read much of your work. I was adopted, so am still a rookie at finding things. I have to rely on on-line information a lot sine my bio parents have passed. Where I find many names, I research and build my tree. I am sure there are many errors, but I believe there are many correct as well, and if it does not match your stuff, I stop. I am interested in the Martin Serrano family as I seem to connect there. oh, my bio Mother was a Manzanares. any way thanks and I will continue reading your info.
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This is a fascinating article. My father (Richard Montoya) always told us that his great grandfather immigrated from Barcelona, Spain. Now that I'm knee deep in the family history - I know this can't be true. They did come from Spain - probably 10 generations prior! I am at a brick wall with my gg-grandfather; however, based on the information I have, I do believe eventually we will trace back to Diego de Montoya. Thank you for all of this wonderful information.
Great New Mexico Pedigree Database, available on the internet, is highly recommended for anyone with roots in New Mexico. It has been of huge benefit to me in my genealogy research.
Thank you very much for taking the time to research and publish this information.
Nice to find this article and how can I get more information on the Griego's in New Mexico. The farthest I can go back is to Northern New Mexico and the Penasco area. I know many of the Griego's were very well known and my grandfather used to tell me stories of days gone by. I was told I had some indian in me however, I always kind of shrugged it off. This reading seems to verify that it could be true. thank you
Dexter wrote: "Nice to find this article and how can I get more information on the Griego's in New Mexico. The farthest I can go back is to Northern New Mexico and the Penasco area. I know many of the Griego's we..."
Hello Jose Antonio Esquibel,I am fascinated with the info. on Maria de Zamora. Was this info gleaned from the citation of Angelico's NMF, p. 78, citation no 2, or from Don Diego de Varga's journals? In genealogical research it is important to quote a citation. Thank you. Benito Estevan Montoya
Bentio Estevan, the information about the origins of Maria de Zamora comes from several sources that I've cited in published articles. The main source is Archivo General de la Nciaón, México, Inquissición, tomo 467, folios 343-353. This record is dated December 1606 and is a denunciation to the Inquisition against María de Zamora accused of being a "hechiciera y bruja", "bewitcher and witch," for making and sharing potions. Also, there are records that describe two of her grandchildren as being "castizo", meaning one parent was regarded as "Español/a" and another was "Meztizo/a". These grandchildren were Catalina de Zamora and her brother Juan Luero de Godoy. We know from various records that the father of these sibligs was Pedro Lucero de Godoy, known to be "Español." This means that their mother, Petrona de Zamora was a mestiza. We know that Petrona's father, Bartolome de Montoya was a native of Castilla (Spain), and thus Petrona's mother, María de Zamora, was an Indian women.
Greetings Jose Antonio, Thank you for the Citation on Maria Zamora’s denunciation of the Inaqusition.Does NMF, p.78, Citation No. 2, AGN, Mex., Inq., t. 462, f. 351 mention in what year Bartolome and Maria were married? If they were married in 1587, as suggested in Family Search, Bartolome would have been 15 years old. Also, Francisco, the first born was born in 1587. Ancestry File 326P-SQF.
Also, Family Search NMFC73, lists Bartolome as “Soldiers to go with Don Diego de Peralta” March 5, 1609. Any comments will be appreciated.
Thank you, Benito Estevan Montoya
Benito, unfortunately, the document does not indicate a date of marriage. The fact that Bartolome de Montoya and María de Zamora came to NM in 1598 with five children tells us that they were married at least by the early 1590s.
Hello Jose Antonio, Thank you for responding to my inquiry. I just completed a search for Bartolome de Montoya in Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias, v6, 1578-1586, and v7, 1586-1599, without any results. There is a Bartolome de Montoya, natural de Toledo, hijo de Bartolome de Montoya y de Dona Isabel de Maceda, al Peru, v7, p. 604, 1596. Do you have any idea on how we could track down this information?Thank you very much, Benito Estevan Montoya
Although this is an intriguing entry, the Bartolome de Montoya who came to NM was a native of a town near Sevilla and was a son of Francisco de Montoya and who was already in the area of Mexico City by 1588; which you probably already know. Anyway, I'm familiar with a copy of the record for the Bartolome de Montoya that was from Toledo and sought license to go to Peru, which is available online. You can consult a digital image of 100+ pages of the record at http://pares.mcu.es/. Click on the tab that reads 'Búsqueda Sencilla'. In the search box, type the phrase: Bartolome de Montoya. Then, under 'Archivo General de Indias' click on 'Casa de la Contratación.' On the next page that come up, you should see the name of 'Bartolome de Montoya' for a record cited as Contratación, 5251B, N.1, R.47, and dated '1596-1-28'. Click on the icon of a camera to view the digital images of the record. The record consists of testimonies from various witnesses about the family and background of Bartolomé de Montoya, native of Toledo. Enjoy the search.
I am a descendant for Martin Serano /Dona Inez as well as Juan Greigo / La India .I suspect that Martin Serano wasn't a Spaniard as mentioned in this article but rather a mestizo as it appears that there is no information as of yet on his mother . Am I correct to suspect this .
If this is correct their children would have been labeled coyote I the caste system .
Jaime, Indications from the surviving records are that Hernan Martin Serrano, who came to NM in 1596, was an español, meaning that both of his parents were of European stock. However, once we find additional documentation, it may provide us with data that clarifies his origins. Given that his son, Hernan Martin Serrano, by Inez, a Tano Indian women, was consistently identified as "mestizo" (meaning one Spanish parent and one Indian parent) is another indication that Hernan Martin Serrano had two parents of European extraction.
I understand that but how can we be sure if he was Spanish if we don't have info on his mother ? Like I said I "suspect "that his mother may not have been Spanish . Until we have solid information on his mother that indeed she was from Spain or a Spanish criollo we can't say for sure he was "Spanish "
Hello. My Mom is a Lucero, we are related to Zamora's of Santa Fe and my Lucero Grandpa was (and his 4 brothers) raised by Montoya's and his Mom was a Griego. I've had my DNA tested and my maternal side has Mayan DNA markers), as well as some type of middle-eastern DNA. I am trying to verify if this is Sephardic or Moor. We are not sure. My Grandma was an Archuleta from Guadalupita, NM and on that side the DNA may be Basque? They were a land grant family but it seems that some of our Romero relatives gained the land by both positive & negative means...it is all now part of the National Forest near Angel Fire. Several of my Lucero-side cousins also do research. I liked your entry & info very much,
Hello Karen I think we share several ancestors , my family has many of the mames u mentioned , Romero , Archuleta , Griego and I think Lucero . Is Guadalupita the same as Guadalupe by Cabazon ?? My grandfather was born in Guadalupe
Hi Jamie. Well, here's the little village my maternal side are from in Mora County. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalu...From what I've heard, Guadalupe usually refers to the county area west of Albuquerque...is that the location you mean? I'll ask my Mom, she knows all the names. Have you gotten your DNA tested? I found out through DNA that I'm even distant cousins to 'Father Bill' the priest that has been in the paper the past few years. And that he's a distant cousin of some sort to my hubby's side too. I guess we really are all related in NM! :)
I've have researched off and on..for about a year..and am intrigued by the many stories that I've read..and by many others that have ancestors in common with me..i have not taken blood tests ..yet..or had the names on the tree..verified...I had an idea..it would be great..if a collage of the decendantss of bloodlines can be made..to see if there are any resemblance ..I hope to meet distant relatives and share stories.God bless.
Good article. I am a Griego by birth. My father was born in Mora, NM and his family was there for generations. His paternal grandmother was Navajo according to his baptismal record.
Thank you for this excellent article! Bartolome' de Montoya and Maria de Zamora were my 9th Great Grandparents. My DNA tests at 20% Native American.
Great article!I’m both Montoya and Lucero, but haven’t yet been able to document beyond the late 1700s and early 1800s. From that period forward, they resided in doña ana co., nm. Any helpful information will certainly be appreciated. I’d love to be able to get further.
thank you I am also a member of the lucero family he was my 13 great grandfather and I have 33% Native American blood was wondering who was the aunt of miguel lujan lucia what was her full name and does that mean I have Tewa ancesters????
Hi jose i really need your help. A genealogist is challenging me and saying i don't have enough evidence to prove Maria villafuente was a native. How can i prove this?
Robert, send me a message via email about the genealogist and the need to prove that she was an Indian. I can provide the source citation. jesquibel@yahoo.com
I am the 10th great grandaughte of Diego De Montoya brother of Antonio Montoya.. also related to the Martin Serranos,I am also in search of my blood family ties to the Zuni Pueblo/ Coyota . I would like to be able to actually prove my lineage to my native ancestors... if anyone can give me any information it would be greatly appreciated, my email is youngtalitha47@gmail.com
I've sent you an email - is it still jesquibel@yahoo.com? If there's a better address, please email me, Aimée Medina Carr, at aimeeac@gmail.com. Gracias. I've just discovered your books and articles and find it all most enlightening.
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Hello,I have been trying to figure out which tribe my Montoya family is part of. My Great Great Grandmother Maria Josefa Montoya was born to Manual Rafael Montoya and Juana Sandoval. I believe Maria Josefa Montoya was born in 1873. She married my Great Great Grandfather, Felipe Santiago Fernandez. I show the 1900 census list them as living in Ocate, Mora, New Mexico.
From Felipe Santiago Fernandez's obituary, it states he had 2 children with Josefa, with only 1 surviving. My Great Grandfather survied and is named Eliseo Fernandez.
My Aunt Lois paid some genealogist of whom stated Josefa is from Cochiti Pueblo, but I am not sure if this is correct. On familysearch.org, I have seen the baptism record for Maria Josefa Montoya, and it states Santa Clara.
If someone can please let me know if my Maria Josefa Montoya is from Cochiti Pueblo or the know tribe of her, it would be greatly appreciated. I do have 1 photo of Maria Josefa Montoya.
Thank you,
Jose Eliseo Guzman
Jose,So sorry it's taking me this long to answer your message. I'm also in the process of doing my family's genealogy, and I think I discovered something helpful for you. Is your family from the Rio Grande Valley - New Mexico region? If so, I think you'll find Jose Esquibel's research very helpful.
Goodreads won't let me post Jose's video that I want to share, so email me, and I'll get it right to you.
All my family on both sides are from New Mexico, and I, too, have Montoya ancestors. We are probably related! I've done all my family tree on Family Search - I picked them because it's free. Also, they work closely with the New Mexico Genealogical Society, which I've become a member of and have found most helpful in my genealogical family search.
I don't check my Goodreads page often enough, so if you reply, please send me an email at aimeeac@gmail.com, and I'll get right back to you.
Happy ancestor hunting!
Aimée Medina Carr
author of River of Love
and forthcoming Wisdom Keepers
Thank you for this! It’s the best summary I’ve seen about early Spanish settlers with clear, documented ties to both Pueblo, and Aztec native families. Bravo!
Great info. I have read much of your work. I was adopted, so am still a rookie at finding things. I have to rely on on-line information a lot sine my bio parents have passed. Where I find many names, I research and build my tree. I am sure there are many errors, but I believe there are many correct as well, and if it does not match your stuff, I stop. I am interested in the Martin Serrano family as I seem to connect there. oh, my bio Mother was a Manzanares. any way thanks and I will continue reading your info.
