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I didn't get that at all. It seems to me that if she was so easily swayed by money, then she would have accepted Darcy's first proposal. And the story makes it clear that her thoughts and feelings about him began changing as soon as she read his letter after she had rejected that proposal. Even her sister Jane would not believe Lizzy when Lizzy joked that she had first started falling in love after seeing Mr. Darcy's estate. I was convinced because the gradual change in feelings was detailed and explicit. The 'heat' wasn't expressed as lust partly because she was mortified with him after their first interaction-- but ... she always sparred and tangled with him rather than just disregarding him. She was never anything like indifferent. I find sexual attraction believable between them; but Lizzy needed to respect and be respected by anyone that she would marry, which definitely was not the case with Charlotte Lucas.
First sight of Pemberley brought her to her senses, didn't it?
Honestly, it seems to me a cynical perspective with little or nothing supporting it from the actual story. And although I don't begrudge anyone their POV, yours rings hollow to me personally.
Whoa, Kelly! "My feelings are quite the opposite"? And: "My affections and wishes are unchanged." Is that convincing?
I'm not clear what you are using either of those sentences to support. Are you thinking that those sentences show that Lizzy married Mr. Darcy for his money/estate?
I'm saying she's no more romantic in her decision to marry than Charlotte. Even her claim to love Darcy made to her father depended more on his manners and generosity than affection. Both quotes above represent for each character the peak of their verbal 'passion'. Marrying him for his money was just the way they did it then. No slur intended.
I wasn't thinking that you were slurring Lizzy. Maybe it's that I seem to see more in her than you seem to see. And I don't put much into the 'verbal passion' of that one exchange-- Lizzy strikes me as genuinely attracted to Mr. Darcy at the end of the story. We know that she originally found him attractive before he slighted her; so after losing her contempt for his personality and newly appreciating his more feeling qualities, I can see her natural passion transferring to him without a problem.
But I don't mean to argue, or even defend Lizzy as if from an insult. It's just a case that I don't really share your wavelength at least on this point.
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May 10, 2014 08:47AM
I didn't get that at all. It seems to me that if she was so easily swayed by money, then she would have accepted Darcy's first proposal. And the story makes it clear that her thoughts and feelings about him began changing as soon as she read his letter after she had rejected that proposal. Even her sister Jane would not believe Lizzy when Lizzy joked that she had first started falling in love after seeing Mr. Darcy's estate. I was convinced because the gradual change in feelings was detailed and explicit. The 'heat' wasn't expressed as lust partly because she was mortified with him after their first interaction-- but ... she always sparred and tangled with him rather than just disregarding him. She was never anything like indifferent. I find sexual attraction believable between them; but Lizzy needed to respect and be respected by anyone that she would marry, which definitely was not the case with Charlotte Lucas.
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First sight of Pemberley brought her to her senses, didn't it?
Honestly, it seems to me a cynical perspective with little or nothing supporting it from the actual story. And although I don't begrudge anyone their POV, yours rings hollow to me personally.
Whoa, Kelly! "My feelings are quite the opposite"? And: "My affections and wishes are unchanged." Is that convincing?
I'm not clear what you are using either of those sentences to support. Are you thinking that those sentences show that Lizzy married Mr. Darcy for his money/estate?
I'm saying she's no more romantic in her decision to marry than Charlotte. Even her claim to love Darcy made to her father depended more on his manners and generosity than affection. Both quotes above represent for each character the peak of their verbal 'passion'. Marrying him for his money was just the way they did it then. No slur intended.
I wasn't thinking that you were slurring Lizzy. Maybe it's that I seem to see more in her than you seem to see. And I don't put much into the 'verbal passion' of that one exchange-- Lizzy strikes me as genuinely attracted to Mr. Darcy at the end of the story. We know that she originally found him attractive before he slighted her; so after losing her contempt for his personality and newly appreciating his more feeling qualities, I can see her natural passion transferring to him without a problem.But I don't mean to argue, or even defend Lizzy as if from an insult. It's just a case that I don't really share your wavelength at least on this point.
