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umm just cause your coming of age doesn't mean your going to fuck your crush everyday. Plus the romance between Michael and Katherine or Kathlyn whatevs wasn't real love because it was only based on sex...
says you - you don't think teens have sex? because honestly, it was more real than a lot of the stuff that is written for teens today - there is a reason why her books still end up on the banned/challenged books list to this day, even though they were written 30+ years ago
Yes, we all know that teens have sex. Maria said that the relationship in this book wasn't based on love, only sex. Which is true. At best it was a pathetic example of a relationship. Certainly not one that anyone should emulate.
The girl constantly demonstrates that she's not mature enough to have sex, while the message of the book is that it's ok for her to do it. Her sister was more mature. The boy always says he won't push her to do anything, and then completely ignores what he said so he can have sex.
She gets angry at her parents for wanting her to spend a little time away from her bf, yet the second she's away from him, she promptly "falls in love" with a new guy.
Maria's right. It was pretty disgusting. Or maybe vulgar is a more appropriate word. Certainly not something that impressionable kids should be reading. In my opinion, it's teen porn more than anything else.
how many teen "relationships" are based on love or sex...and are the two synonymous with the other for that age - I would hypothesize that yes that is the case - many kids think that they are in love, but it is really lust...Its a good example of how fleeting and changing teenage love can be and is - how one day that relationship might be the be all end all of their world and the next day, something changes and the relationship ends. It is a story of finding your place, finding love, discovering sex, moving on, self-discovery
I don't care how many teen relationships might look like the one in this book.
The point is, sex is not a basis for a healthy relationship, and this book doesn't help anyone understand that.
It's not a story of "finding love". It's a story of sex. That's it.
As far as 'moving on', it's pretty unrealistic to expect young girls to be like the girl in this book. I forget her name. Girls in particular get very emotionally attached, which doesn't happen in this book at all.
Also, the author was so concerned with pushing sex, that she didn't address virtually any consequences. STDs and pregnancy are no biggie. And again, the emotional aspect isn't even addressed.
Yes, teenage 'love' is often confused with lust. We don't need books pushing the idea, making it worse. We need ones countering the idea.
you are putting contemporary views on a book that was written in the 70's - a time of freedom of expression and ideals - when the idea of teen sexuality wasn't the stigma that apparently it is today. we are apparently going to agree to disagree - this book does no worse in idealizing freedom to experience sexual desires than trash like Beautiful Disaster and Flat Out Love does it glorifying abusive relationships
Are you seriously suggesting that society was more open to promiscuity in the 70s than today? Really? I'm fairly certain that condoms weren't being handed out in schools like candy back then.
Outside of perhaps hippies, sleeping around was a bigger stigma than it is today.
Yes, I suppose we are going to have to agree to disagree. Personally, I think this book's only purpose was to act as a soapbox for how great casual sex is supposed to be for teens since the writing and plot were pure crap.
here is what the author herself says about the book - but i'm sure you will disagree with her and the fact that the American Library Association gave it an award - http://judyblume.com/books/ya/forever...
here is the basis of the award - The Margaret A. Edwards Award, established in 1988, honors an author, as well as a specific body of his or her work, for significant and lasting contribution to young adult literature. The annual award is administered by YALSA and sponsored by School Library Journal magazine. It recognizes an author's work in helping adolescents become aware of themselves and addressing questions about their role and importance in relationships, society, and in the world.
If anyone gave this piece of trash an award, yes, I'm happy to say I disagree with their assessment of it. As I said, the writing was pure crap. I'm pretty shocked that it got published at all.
Um, yeah, considering the fact that the author's presentation of just about anything in this book was pathetic, I'm gonna go with, no I don't trust her to have an accurate view of something like that.
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umm just cause your coming of age doesn't mean your going to fuck your crush everyday. Plus the romance between Michael and Katherine or Kathlyn whatevs wasn't real love because it was only based on sex...
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says you - you don't think teens have sex? because honestly, it was more real than a lot of the stuff that is written for teens today - there is a reason why her books still end up on the banned/challenged books list to this day, even though they were written 30+ years ago
Yes, we all know that teens have sex. Maria said that the relationship in this book wasn't based on love, only sex. Which is true. At best it was a pathetic example of a relationship. Certainly not one that anyone should emulate. The girl constantly demonstrates that she's not mature enough to have sex, while the message of the book is that it's ok for her to do it. Her sister was more mature. The boy always says he won't push her to do anything, and then completely ignores what he said so he can have sex.
She gets angry at her parents for wanting her to spend a little time away from her bf, yet the second she's away from him, she promptly "falls in love" with a new guy.
Maria's right. It was pretty disgusting. Or maybe vulgar is a more appropriate word. Certainly not something that impressionable kids should be reading. In my opinion, it's teen porn more than anything else.
how many teen "relationships" are based on love or sex...and are the two synonymous with the other for that age - I would hypothesize that yes that is the case - many kids think that they are in love, but it is really lust...Its a good example of how fleeting and changing teenage love can be and is - how one day that relationship might be the be all end all of their world and the next day, something changes and the relationship ends. It is a story of finding your place, finding love, discovering sex, moving on, self-discovery
I don't care how many teen relationships might look like the one in this book. The point is, sex is not a basis for a healthy relationship, and this book doesn't help anyone understand that.
It's not a story of "finding love". It's a story of sex. That's it.
As far as 'moving on', it's pretty unrealistic to expect young girls to be like the girl in this book. I forget her name. Girls in particular get very emotionally attached, which doesn't happen in this book at all.
Also, the author was so concerned with pushing sex, that she didn't address virtually any consequences. STDs and pregnancy are no biggie. And again, the emotional aspect isn't even addressed.
Yes, teenage 'love' is often confused with lust. We don't need books pushing the idea, making it worse. We need ones countering the idea.
you are putting contemporary views on a book that was written in the 70's - a time of freedom of expression and ideals - when the idea of teen sexuality wasn't the stigma that apparently it is today. we are apparently going to agree to disagree - this book does no worse in idealizing freedom to experience sexual desires than trash like Beautiful Disaster and Flat Out Love does it glorifying abusive relationships
Are you seriously suggesting that society was more open to promiscuity in the 70s than today? Really? I'm fairly certain that condoms weren't being handed out in schools like candy back then.Outside of perhaps hippies, sleeping around was a bigger stigma than it is today.
Yes, I suppose we are going to have to agree to disagree. Personally, I think this book's only purpose was to act as a soapbox for how great casual sex is supposed to be for teens since the writing and plot were pure crap.
here is what the author herself says about the book - but i'm sure you will disagree with her and the fact that the American Library Association gave it an award - http://judyblume.com/books/ya/forever...
here is the basis of the award - The Margaret A. Edwards Award, established in 1988, honors an author, as well as a specific body of his or her work, for significant and lasting contribution to young adult literature. The annual award is administered by YALSA and sponsored by School Library Journal magazine. It recognizes an author's work in helping adolescents become aware of themselves and addressing questions about their role and importance in relationships, society, and in the world.
If anyone gave this piece of trash an award, yes, I'm happy to say I disagree with their assessment of it. As I said, the writing was pure crap. I'm pretty shocked that it got published at all. Um, yeah, considering the fact that the author's presentation of just about anything in this book was pathetic, I'm gonna go with, no I don't trust her to have an accurate view of something like that.
