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I think 1Q84 def has pedophilia in it. Kafka would be more of a statutory rape type situation. Wind up bird gives of a really creepy vibe. His main characters tend to be creepers.
No, it does not. The person in question is a 16 year old girl. Paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder, a pathological and chronic condition whereby one is (usually exclusively) attracted to PRE-PUBESCENT children. That is important to understand. The whole attraction centres around the children lacking adult sexual characteristics.
This is a completely different thing from adult attraction to teenagers, who have fully formed sexual characteristics. This is perfectly normal and not at all pathological or diagnosable, but as I said, that does not mean that acting on those attractions is a good idea. The girl in Wind-Up Bird is 17, so certainly does not fall into that category attractive to paedophiles, either.
The creepiness is another question all together, as is the male-centric hyper-sexuality. Can't argue with you there.
P.S. Having said all that, and even agreeing with you that some of the sexuality in the books repel me, I still love his work! I think for Murakami, he is using these relationships symbolically, not recommending them as a lifestyle. Sex is one of the ways he explores his ideas (and I also agree with the above poster that he is not very good at writing sex scenes.
It gets even worse. Here in Holland there is debate on one of my childhood heroes. He´s a 62-year old and has a relationship with a 19-year old, and he may or may not have impregnated her. It´s startling how many people cry ´paedophilia´ while we are still talking about two adults. Maybe it´s not the best idea to have such a gap between you and your partner, but it´s not something that should be scrutinized by others.
Hi, Kaj. I think you are right about that, too.
Fuka-Eri is a pre-pubescent girl who has not yet had her period yet. She's got plenty of breast, but no pubic hair. And he makes sure to let us know that her vagina is so tiny compared to Tengo's giant penis.
Please. This IS paeodphilia. Romanticized, at that!
She hasn't got a period or pubic hair because she isn't a human female, she's a Dohta. It's part of the story line.
I'm talking about te details that Murakami chooses to focus on. The fact that he chooses to mention she isn't menstruating, doesn't have pubic hair, and has a tiny vagina that can hardly fit Tengo's giant penis says to me that Murakami finds these things to be erotic components of the story when I would never think to include such details. To me, it says something gross about Murakami. He seems to have a fixation. I'm not talking about the story, itself.
I totally understand where you come from, but I think we can also view his choice of words and the things he focuses on, not as a reflection of what Murakami finds erotic or thinks the reader will find erotic, but simply as a way to give shape to the storyline mentioned previously: Fuka Eri as a Dotha. Many literary masterpieces have some pretty messed up scenes, in a moral way, and questioning the writer's insanity sometimes distracts us from finding meaning in things we are not so used to finding meaning in, which is harder than the other option, and which I think these scenes are all about. I could go on and on.
it's not just "not a good idea" to not act on the urges...it's rape and pedophilia lol. you have an awfully cavalier view toward this which is gross
also...his characters DO act on their urges so what's your fucking point
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I think 1Q84 def has pedophilia in it. Kafka would be more of a statutory rape type situation. Wind up bird gives of a really creepy vibe. His main characters tend to be creepers.
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No, it does not. The person in question is a 16 year old girl. Paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder, a pathological and chronic condition whereby one is (usually exclusively) attracted to PRE-PUBESCENT children. That is important to understand. The whole attraction centres around the children lacking adult sexual characteristics. This is a completely different thing from adult attraction to teenagers, who have fully formed sexual characteristics. This is perfectly normal and not at all pathological or diagnosable, but as I said, that does not mean that acting on those attractions is a good idea. The girl in Wind-Up Bird is 17, so certainly does not fall into that category attractive to paedophiles, either.
The creepiness is another question all together, as is the male-centric hyper-sexuality. Can't argue with you there.
P.S. Having said all that, and even agreeing with you that some of the sexuality in the books repel me, I still love his work! I think for Murakami, he is using these relationships symbolically, not recommending them as a lifestyle. Sex is one of the ways he explores his ideas (and I also agree with the above poster that he is not very good at writing sex scenes.
It gets even worse. Here in Holland there is debate on one of my childhood heroes. He´s a 62-year old and has a relationship with a 19-year old, and he may or may not have impregnated her. It´s startling how many people cry ´paedophilia´ while we are still talking about two adults. Maybe it´s not the best idea to have such a gap between you and your partner, but it´s not something that should be scrutinized by others.
Hi, Kaj. I think you are right about that, too.
Fuka-Eri is a pre-pubescent girl who has not yet had her period yet. She's got plenty of breast, but no pubic hair. And he makes sure to let us know that her vagina is so tiny compared to Tengo's giant penis.Please. This IS paeodphilia. Romanticized, at that!
She hasn't got a period or pubic hair because she isn't a human female, she's a Dohta. It's part of the story line.
I'm talking about te details that Murakami chooses to focus on. The fact that he chooses to mention she isn't menstruating, doesn't have pubic hair, and has a tiny vagina that can hardly fit Tengo's giant penis says to me that Murakami finds these things to be erotic components of the story when I would never think to include such details. To me, it says something gross about Murakami. He seems to have a fixation. I'm not talking about the story, itself.
I totally understand where you come from, but I think we can also view his choice of words and the things he focuses on, not as a reflection of what Murakami finds erotic or thinks the reader will find erotic, but simply as a way to give shape to the storyline mentioned previously: Fuka Eri as a Dotha. Many literary masterpieces have some pretty messed up scenes, in a moral way, and questioning the writer's insanity sometimes distracts us from finding meaning in things we are not so used to finding meaning in, which is harder than the other option, and which I think these scenes are all about. I could go on and on.
it's not just "not a good idea" to not act on the urges...it's rape and pedophilia lol. you have an awfully cavalier view toward this which is gross
also...his characters DO act on their urges so what's your fucking point
