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Violence sex and drugs is what we need in schools? I'm amazed the education board never managed to produce something that obvious. I can see how this book has many more merits over books like roll of thunder, hear my cry or to kill a mocking bird. Genius.
Thank you so much for taking my words and twisting them into a biased context. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that books like this that show the reality of societal flaws are what kids in schools should read. This book shows what's wrong with the fact that parents are not being parents to their children, but letting them go out and do as they please and abandoning all hope in rearing them. And that we, as Alex was, are nothing but puppets to a political agenda, and that we have to see through all the things that the media shoves in our faces to try and corrupt our upbringing--A Clockwork Orange shows the flaws of parents, society, and the human condition in general. We need more books like this because for once, I don't want to read some utopian 'everything is perfect and so conservative because we don't feel like teaching you the dangers, garbage, pollution and raw filth of actuality' junk that I walk away from having learned nothing about myself or what I should expect from the world.
I'm not sure how you think the books taught in schools are utopian? I also completely disagree that we need more violence etc in the books they read. I'll assume there is a huge difference in the book you read and the one's I did at school. We looked at books which covered slavery, discrimination, prejudice, social class, abandoning the elderly and I could go on with this list. I don't see how violence or drugs would add to that? I do think there's a huge flaw in the sex education in the UK but imposing them with more books containing sex?? Don't see the advantage. I certainly don't see how A Clockwork Orange would be a better set text. I'm also unsure of why you think this book is closer to society than a lot of others? This shows a very dark, bleak side to society. I don't argue that it exists, but with the way you speak one would assume there is no good in the world. I can assure you there is. Facing a child with more books like this and saying, "look kids, this is life, this is the reality of the world we live in." would leave them thinking what's the point. Why should I bother trying when the world is so shit. I think there are much better books out there to highlight the problems with society. This book, or ones similar, definitely not the books.
Most responses on here are subjective, they're opinions. You assumed it was me who twisted your words, you never once gave a thought to the impression your words were making. You claim I twisted your words? Quote "I loved it for that reason, and I honestly think that more books with violence, sex, drugs, etc. should be taught, because it gives insight to the reality of things"
Which is why I assumed there was a big difference in the text book we read at school and may explain why we see things so differently. Interesting :)
Interesting indeed. We read a lot of 'life lesson literature' here, but it's almost always toned down and offers a view of society that isn't that realistic. Sex, drugs and violence are more relevant to today was what I'm saying, because they're so prevalent in American culture and all over high schools all the time. Our culture is disgusting and I can't stand it, trust me. haha
It seems a shame if the kids in America are reading nothing of the struggles in life. If that's true then I can definitely see your point and understand why you think more sex violence etc would be needed. For me, we cover these subjects so adding more would be counter productive. I suppose the only way to introduce it (until the schools review their syllabus) is to encourage your own kids to read beyond their school text and to see the world for what it really is :(
I agree! We don't have a lot of sex drugs and violence and cruelty here in our readings (in general)...however, I had great teachers in high school who made it a point to teach some of the most life-lesson oriented books.
This is why I love goodreads. On the surface we disagreed hugely. A little communication and we find we actually agree :) If only all goodreads members were the same :/
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Violence sex and drugs is what we need in schools? I'm amazed the education board never managed to produce something that obvious. I can see how this book has many more merits over books like roll of thunder, hear my cry or to kill a mocking bird. Genius.
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Thank you so much for taking my words and twisting them into a biased context. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that books like this that show the reality of societal flaws are what kids in schools should read. This book shows what's wrong with the fact that parents are not being parents to their children, but letting them go out and do as they please and abandoning all hope in rearing them. And that we, as Alex was, are nothing but puppets to a political agenda, and that we have to see through all the things that the media shoves in our faces to try and corrupt our upbringing--A Clockwork Orange shows the flaws of parents, society, and the human condition in general. We need more books like this because for once, I don't want to read some utopian 'everything is perfect and so conservative because we don't feel like teaching you the dangers, garbage, pollution and raw filth of actuality' junk that I walk away from having learned nothing about myself or what I should expect from the world.
I'm not sure how you think the books taught in schools are utopian? I also completely disagree that we need more violence etc in the books they read. I'll assume there is a huge difference in the book you read and the one's I did at school. We looked at books which covered slavery, discrimination, prejudice, social class, abandoning the elderly and I could go on with this list. I don't see how violence or drugs would add to that? I do think there's a huge flaw in the sex education in the UK but imposing them with more books containing sex?? Don't see the advantage. I certainly don't see how A Clockwork Orange would be a better set text. I'm also unsure of why you think this book is closer to society than a lot of others? This shows a very dark, bleak side to society. I don't argue that it exists, but with the way you speak one would assume there is no good in the world. I can assure you there is. Facing a child with more books like this and saying, "look kids, this is life, this is the reality of the world we live in." would leave them thinking what's the point. Why should I bother trying when the world is so shit. I think there are much better books out there to highlight the problems with society. This book, or ones similar, definitely not the books.Most responses on here are subjective, they're opinions. You assumed it was me who twisted your words, you never once gave a thought to the impression your words were making. You claim I twisted your words? Quote "I loved it for that reason, and I honestly think that more books with violence, sex, drugs, etc. should be taught, because it gives insight to the reality of things"
Which is why I assumed there was a big difference in the text book we read at school and may explain why we see things so differently. Interesting :)
Interesting indeed. We read a lot of 'life lesson literature' here, but it's almost always toned down and offers a view of society that isn't that realistic. Sex, drugs and violence are more relevant to today was what I'm saying, because they're so prevalent in American culture and all over high schools all the time. Our culture is disgusting and I can't stand it, trust me. haha
It seems a shame if the kids in America are reading nothing of the struggles in life. If that's true then I can definitely see your point and understand why you think more sex violence etc would be needed. For me, we cover these subjects so adding more would be counter productive. I suppose the only way to introduce it (until the schools review their syllabus) is to encourage your own kids to read beyond their school text and to see the world for what it really is :(
I agree! We don't have a lot of sex drugs and violence and cruelty here in our readings (in general)...however, I had great teachers in high school who made it a point to teach some of the most life-lesson oriented books.
This is why I love goodreads. On the surface we disagreed hugely. A little communication and we find we actually agree :) If only all goodreads members were the same :/
