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Uh...did you read what Sara just typed there: "There are nonreligious and even atheist ethnic Jews." She is half ethnically Jewish. She doesn't agree with what you are saying.
Pay attention Petergianquinta, and stop trying to start an argument.
She said that you can be half Jewish (the nationality)and I agreed.
Ah yes? But you did type, You can convert to Judaism (the religion). or convert to Catholisism but you cannot convert to being Italian! The former are RELIGIONS, the latter is a RACE or NATIONALITY. Big difference.
That doesn't agree with what she said. She said being Jewish is in fact an ethnicity as well as a religion. I am paying attention.
Semantics, my dear Petergiaquinta. I think you still got my point.
And by the way, this isn't just directed to you, Maria, but we should be more careful about how we use the word "race," when what we really mean is "heritage," "culture," "ethnicity" or "nationality." These terms are not synonymous.
As Tytti said some time ago, there is no French race. And there is no "Jewish" race, either. But people can be of French and/or Jewish ethnicity.
If we want to cling to outdated notions of "race" in today's diverse world, then both French and Jewish people are technically Caucasoid. But man oh man are we gonna muddy the water if we follow that line of thinking...what do anthropologists say about race these days anyway? Are there still considered to be four? Any anthropologists out there?
I really meant nationality. As in what country you are from. Like France or Italy. Filipino is a negroid race, as is Hawaiian. European is caucasian as you said. I get it.
I think you mean Mongoloid/Mongolian there...but again it's all just semantics! Pacific island peoples are part of a rich history of migration and movement, and there are some Negroid peoples in the Philippines (and Melanesia), but I think the majority population there is a Mongolian people.
Discussions of race are tricky...here in the U.S. we had a white supremacist recently in the news who was trying to create an all-white town in North Dakota. This all went south for the guy when genetic results on TV showed that he had 14% sub-Saharan African genes. Now he's no longer welcome among his former fellow haters! Oops!
I understand what you're both saying, and I dont disagree with Maria. And Petergianquinta, I'm no anthropologist, don't know what current views are on race vs ethnicity.
There's only the human race, with different ethnic background and heritage
Karen, I do like to think of it that way sometimes!
Well, if you think about it it makes sense. There is a wealth of information on this. I don't pretend to know it all, and my husband is the one who has done extensive research. The term race has been used so innaccurately over time that we don't even think about it. And it has divided us. It's easier to say racism or racist, instead of ethnic prejudiced. But we are all homosapiens!
Oh, I agree that it makes sense. I just know that not everyone will be so accepting of doing away with the concept of "race" versus "ethnicity" and "cultural heritage". Technically, homo sapiens is our species, race is an entirely human construct that means different things to different people.
Yes you are right, that is more accurate than my post above concerning homosapiens. The term race is ambiguous. Anthropologists also argue about this. If you google race and anthropology, you will find sone good articles. Haven't read them all!
When I have more time I'll look into it! I am interested in anthropology.
Ya, time isn't my friend either! Well, I do have the summer off.
Actually, Sara, according to the Jewish religion you are completely Jewish as the mother determines the religiousity. However, the choice is yours as to whether you wish to consider yourself as such. What others consider us is not what determines WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER OURSELVES. I've gone over this issue on the WUTHERING HEIGHTS message thread and discussed obamas ethnicity. He jokingly considers himself a"mutt" as his Mom is Caucasian, his father African Negroid. I believe this to be honorable on his part and others of mixed parentage as they are acknowledging the ethnicity of all their forbearers as worthy of respect. I believe it comes down to that. Do you honor your father and your mother? Both?
I know that I'm fully Jewish according to the Jewish religion (however, I'm not a confirmed adult in the religion as I never was bat mitzvah'ed, haha). I completely agree with you about self identification versus others identifying us. Interesting that you bring up that comment about "mutt" - I occasionally refer to myself affectionately as a "European mutt" because of my mixed heritage from semi-recent ancestors of six or so countries. I honor all my ancestors, I like to think.
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Uh...did you read what Sara just typed there: "There are nonreligious and even atheist ethnic Jews." She is half ethnically Jewish. She doesn't agree with what you are saying.
Pay attention Petergianquinta, and stop trying to start an argument. She said that you can be half Jewish (the nationality)and I agreed.
Ah yes? But you did type, You can convert to Judaism (the religion). or convert to Catholisism but you cannot convert to being Italian! The former are RELIGIONS, the latter is a RACE or NATIONALITY. Big difference.That doesn't agree with what she said. She said being Jewish is in fact an ethnicity as well as a religion. I am paying attention.
Semantics, my dear Petergiaquinta. I think you still got my point.
And by the way, this isn't just directed to you, Maria, but we should be more careful about how we use the word "race," when what we really mean is "heritage," "culture," "ethnicity" or "nationality." These terms are not synonymous.As Tytti said some time ago, there is no French race. And there is no "Jewish" race, either. But people can be of French and/or Jewish ethnicity.
If we want to cling to outdated notions of "race" in today's diverse world, then both French and Jewish people are technically Caucasoid. But man oh man are we gonna muddy the water if we follow that line of thinking...what do anthropologists say about race these days anyway? Are there still considered to be four? Any anthropologists out there?
I really meant nationality. As in what country you are from. Like France or Italy. Filipino is a negroid race, as is Hawaiian. European is caucasian as you said. I get it.
I think you mean Mongoloid/Mongolian there...but again it's all just semantics! Pacific island peoples are part of a rich history of migration and movement, and there are some Negroid peoples in the Philippines (and Melanesia), but I think the majority population there is a Mongolian people.Discussions of race are tricky...here in the U.S. we had a white supremacist recently in the news who was trying to create an all-white town in North Dakota. This all went south for the guy when genetic results on TV showed that he had 14% sub-Saharan African genes. Now he's no longer welcome among his former fellow haters! Oops!
I understand what you're both saying, and I dont disagree with Maria. And Petergianquinta, I'm no anthropologist, don't know what current views are on race vs ethnicity.
There's only the human race, with different ethnic background and heritage
Karen, I do like to think of it that way sometimes!
Well, if you think about it it makes sense. There is a wealth of information on this. I don't pretend to know it all, and my husband is the one who has done extensive research. The term race has been used so innaccurately over time that we don't even think about it. And it has divided us. It's easier to say racism or racist, instead of ethnic prejudiced. But we are all homosapiens!
Oh, I agree that it makes sense. I just know that not everyone will be so accepting of doing away with the concept of "race" versus "ethnicity" and "cultural heritage". Technically, homo sapiens is our species, race is an entirely human construct that means different things to different people.
Yes you are right, that is more accurate than my post above concerning homosapiens. The term race is ambiguous. Anthropologists also argue about this. If you google race and anthropology, you will find sone good articles. Haven't read them all!
When I have more time I'll look into it! I am interested in anthropology.
Ya, time isn't my friend either! Well, I do have the summer off.
Actually, Sara, according to the Jewish religion you are completely Jewish as the mother determines the religiousity. However, the choice is yours as to whether you wish to consider yourself as such. What others consider us is not what determines WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER OURSELVES. I've gone over this issue on the WUTHERING HEIGHTS message thread and discussed obamas ethnicity. He jokingly considers himself a"mutt" as his Mom is Caucasian, his father African Negroid. I believe this to be honorable on his part and others of mixed parentage as they are acknowledging the ethnicity of all their forbearers as worthy of respect. I believe it comes down to that. Do you honor your father and your mother? Both?
I know that I'm fully Jewish according to the Jewish religion (however, I'm not a confirmed adult in the religion as I never was bat mitzvah'ed, haha). I completely agree with you about self identification versus others identifying us. Interesting that you bring up that comment about "mutt" - I occasionally refer to myself affectionately as a "European mutt" because of my mixed heritage from semi-recent ancestors of six or so countries. I honor all my ancestors, I like to think.
You can convert to Judaism (the religion). or convert to Catholisism but you cannot convert to being Italian! The former are RELIGIONS, the latter is a RACE or NATIONALITY.
Big difference.