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That's the thing though, your friend is Jewish because he was born of a Jewish woman, making him Jewish. I'm talking about the people who have say a Jewish grandmother or are related to someone Jewish and they claim to be part Jewish as well even though they don't follow anything to do with the religion or it's customs.
Exactly. It's everyone's right to identify as they wish.
So you know their identity better than they know themselves?
The problem Tytti is that Judaism is NOT a race. My great-grandmother was Jewish, but you don't see me saying I'm part Jewish. Unless you are a member of the Jewish faith or were born of a Jewish mother, you are not Jewish and should not be claiming to be.
I think this is getting personal. If people want to identify as Jewish, or part Jewish that's their identity they want to establish, and you and I (nor anyone else for that matter) are a part of this. I'm not comfortable talking about how people identify as though I have a right to get upset with it. I have many students who do not identify as the gender they were "born" to (meaning that one of my female students was born with male genitalia) and I don't have a right to feel anyway other than supportive. This is the same thing.
I goofed on typing, what I mean is that none of us have the authority to get upset or offended with home someone chooses to identify themselves. Sorry, too much sun today.
It's perfectly okay Annemarie that you disagree with me. Thank you for expressing your opinion in a civilized manner :)
No problem, and I respect your feelings, but I'm just thinking that we don't have the authority to feel a way about how people want to identify themselves. If we have that authority then others can do so about us, and I like being able to pretend I'm a hobbit. :)
Hi Mariana - I just don't understand why this should upset you - it isn't really any of your business, is it? Judaism is the name given to the religion,but how many times, and how many ways, does it have to be explained to you that Jewishness is BOTH a race and a religion.
Perhaps if you do a little research on the internet it might explain it in a way you can understand, and then you can shed your hanguos.
I'm saying this in a non-aggressive manner,by the way - just a civilised suggestion.
Trixie, really good suggestion and thank you for making sure that your voice is to be read as a civilized conversation. I think some people on this thread (not this particular comment section) have become a little antagonistic, and while I disagree with Mariana I respect her right to ask a question.
Hi Trixie, you see the thing is, I myself at one point in my life considered converting to Judaism, and with that I did lots of research on the religion on the internet, in books, etc. My point is, I know the ins and outs of Judaism well enough to know what it really means to be Jewish. And I don't need any false facts explained to me.
Well that explains it, converts are usually the strictest when it comes to... anything really.
Tytti, maybe converts are stricter about religion because they have looked into it enough to know what they are talking about.
Maybe not, but I no doubt know much more about the religion than you do. Sorry, but to have a relationship with Judaism, you actually have to be a part of the religion itself. People who claim to be Jewish or part Jewish simply because they have ancestral relations to a Jew do not have a relationship or attachment to the religion at all.
What, you think that just because I'm not Jewish that I am not attached to the faith as well? What makes you think I'll never learn even more about the faith than I already do now? What makes you think I'll never convert? Why are you making such assumptions?? Telling me your background does not change my opinion on this one bit. You yourself haven't proven that you "know what you're talking about," either, and as I've said before, I do not care if you're Jewish or whatever your faith is. My unsolicited advice to you is that you stop trying to act like you know people from the internet and their views and opinions, because the fact that you think you know anything about me is frankly weird.
So how should I refer to my identity then? My grandfather (Mom's dad) is Jewish, paternal grandparents are Filipinos. My faith is Messianic. Faith or religion aside, what am I? Part Filipina and part what?
I have a Jewish friend who begs to differ with that. She said you can only be Jewish if your mother is, or someone in the maternal part of the family. The whole time I knew her she kept insisting that Hitler's grandmother on his mother's side of the family is Jewish. I never said anything in response because what can you say to that, and what would you want to say to it knowing ahead of time that several of her family members were gassed or burned alive.
She claims it's a nationality or something, as well as a religion.
I just believe that identity is something that is personal. So we can't really say how one chooses to identify his/herself. That person is an individual and can choose to identify him or herself as that person chooses.
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That's the thing though, your friend is Jewish because he was born of a Jewish woman, making him Jewish. I'm talking about the people who have say a Jewish grandmother or are related to someone Jewish and they claim to be part Jewish as well even though they don't follow anything to do with the religion or it's customs.
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Exactly. It's everyone's right to identify as they wish.
So you know their identity better than they know themselves?
The problem Tytti is that Judaism is NOT a race. My great-grandmother was Jewish, but you don't see me saying I'm part Jewish. Unless you are a member of the Jewish faith or were born of a Jewish mother, you are not Jewish and should not be claiming to be.
I think this is getting personal. If people want to identify as Jewish, or part Jewish that's their identity they want to establish, and you and I (nor anyone else for that matter) are a part of this. I'm not comfortable talking about how people identify as though I have a right to get upset with it. I have many students who do not identify as the gender they were "born" to (meaning that one of my female students was born with male genitalia) and I don't have a right to feel anyway other than supportive. This is the same thing.
I goofed on typing, what I mean is that none of us have the authority to get upset or offended with home someone chooses to identify themselves. Sorry, too much sun today.
It's perfectly okay Annemarie that you disagree with me. Thank you for expressing your opinion in a civilized manner :)
No problem, and I respect your feelings, but I'm just thinking that we don't have the authority to feel a way about how people want to identify themselves. If we have that authority then others can do so about us, and I like being able to pretend I'm a hobbit. :)
Hi Mariana - I just don't understand why this should upset you - it isn't really any of your business, is it? Judaism is the name given to the religion,but how many times, and how many ways, does it have to be explained to you that Jewishness is BOTH a race and a religion.Perhaps if you do a little research on the internet it might explain it in a way you can understand, and then you can shed your hanguos.
I'm saying this in a non-aggressive manner,by the way - just a civilised suggestion.
Trixie, really good suggestion and thank you for making sure that your voice is to be read as a civilized conversation. I think some people on this thread (not this particular comment section) have become a little antagonistic, and while I disagree with Mariana I respect her right to ask a question.
Hi Trixie, you see the thing is, I myself at one point in my life considered converting to Judaism, and with that I did lots of research on the religion on the internet, in books, etc. My point is, I know the ins and outs of Judaism well enough to know what it really means to be Jewish. And I don't need any false facts explained to me.
Well that explains it, converts are usually the strictest when it comes to... anything really.
Tytti, maybe converts are stricter about religion because they have looked into it enough to know what they are talking about.
Maybe not, but I no doubt know much more about the religion than you do. Sorry, but to have a relationship with Judaism, you actually have to be a part of the religion itself. People who claim to be Jewish or part Jewish simply because they have ancestral relations to a Jew do not have a relationship or attachment to the religion at all.
What, you think that just because I'm not Jewish that I am not attached to the faith as well? What makes you think I'll never learn even more about the faith than I already do now? What makes you think I'll never convert? Why are you making such assumptions?? Telling me your background does not change my opinion on this one bit. You yourself haven't proven that you "know what you're talking about," either, and as I've said before, I do not care if you're Jewish or whatever your faith is. My unsolicited advice to you is that you stop trying to act like you know people from the internet and their views and opinions, because the fact that you think you know anything about me is frankly weird.
So how should I refer to my identity then? My grandfather (Mom's dad) is Jewish, paternal grandparents are Filipinos. My faith is Messianic. Faith or religion aside, what am I? Part Filipina and part what?
I have a Jewish friend who begs to differ with that. She said you can only be Jewish if your mother is, or someone in the maternal part of the family. The whole time I knew her she kept insisting that Hitler's grandmother on his mother's side of the family is Jewish. I never said anything in response because what can you say to that, and what would you want to say to it knowing ahead of time that several of her family members were gassed or burned alive.She claims it's a nationality or something, as well as a religion.
I just believe that identity is something that is personal. So we can't really say how one chooses to identify his/herself. That person is an individual and can choose to identify him or herself as that person chooses.
