
I think that doesn't work in the mobile app, tho
bcuz rubbishy app is rubbish

Another thing I didn't know. Shit. And that particular fact changes everything in my brain. Again.
I have seen private reviews, and thought it was an option. But I guess that's only for people who are completely hidden? I'd never tried to hide a review (and I write a lot of them) so I didn't know.
Well, yeah. Then everything you said is so true, I don't have a goat to turn to.

You can also block every single one of us from not only posting here, but having access to all your reviews and ratings. We'd only be able to see your main profile page and only b/c you're a GRs author and that's a status you signed up for.

It is never a ..."
This entire post is AWESOME.

"
the people I live with don't like my books so I get the division between personal love and the books. One of my favorite editors doesn't like my work and I still love her and go looking for her at conferences. I love these people and don't doubt their affection for me.
I think what I was saying was different, god knows what it was.
Your basic point, an author doesn't belong in the review, either as a topic or, more especially, as a commentator, is completely right. [edited to add the more especially because, yup, that.]
I was looking at a long thread about something entirely different and saw scornful pile-on responses to some one's rather pleasant, but inane and misspelled comment.
Whoa. NOW I remember, it's the internet that creates the heebie-jeebies. (hardly headline news to anyone).

I think that doesn't work in the mobile app, tho
bcuz rubbishy app is rubbish"
Oh hell. It's another fiffy Kate v. Summer moment. I think I liked it better when I thought I could only edit my own comments. That seemed right for goodreads somehow.

Speak for yourself and your friends. There's no way for you to know who I write my reviews for, so I'll tell you. I write for the readers, myself to remind me what I thought about the story, and for the authors. Yup, I said it. I also write my reviews for the authors, even if they don't read my reviews. I also beta and I never take off my beta glasses even when I read. When I write the review, the beta comments slip right in. I've had some very nice conversations with authors that took into consideration what I had to say about their writing.
I'd suggest not making a blanket statement about other people, because I'm sure there are other reviewers out there who also write reviews that include the authors.

Yes, I do see :) And you've gotten some very insightful responses that are vastly superior to mine. It's nice this topic could be discussed with relative decorum.
Goodreads can(and does) hide reviews at it's discretion. Those that have been flagged and violate TOS I believe, but don't (in their estimation) warrant complete deletion. It is not an option a reviewer can choose for their own reviews.

nor about the fat comma splice i am too tired to correct

Speak for yourself and your friends. There's no way for you to know who I w..."
Awfully nice of you to point that out, thank you :)
I'll try to remember that if I ever see an author complaining about your reviews.

xD If that makes me a bad author, so be it.

Speak for yourself and your friends. There's no way for you to know who I w..."
First off, let me say that I am not one to argue how or why people write their reviews. Ever. Unless that review is breaking the rules of the site you (general you) are posting on, in which case I always advocate flagging the review and letting the PTB handle it, how you choose to write it and for whom is your business.
That being said, this site, along with Amazon, B&N, smashwords, etc. is a customer review site. (with GRs having the added benefit of being a cataloging site.) Customers being other readers. So whether that's who you've intended them for or not, customers/readers are still the target audience b/c of where you're posting it. And of course your own catalogue.
So for someone to make a statement that reviews are for readers is not all that presumptuous. At least not on a site like this.
And, tbh, I don't even know why I'm picking at details. You're both right and I agree with you both you.
But I've already written all this out now so there it is. :)

I'll try to remember that if I ever see an author complaining about your reviews...."
Haha! Oh my. *shakes head* lol
I've had nice conversations with authors that didn't agree with my reviews also. Authors not liking my reviews has nothing to do with making blanket statements about other people and who they write reviews for however. Never enjoyable to have a discussion with people if they'd rather respond with sarcastic quips to a valid statement. Have fun *waves*

I once commented when someone got the plot of one of my books sort of mooshed together with the plot of another one. I probably should have left it alone. She was perfectly nice about it and my comment was all light and fluff--I thought it was a pretty funny mix-up. But soon after I hit post, I thought bad idea. Let someone else point it out.

I have no problem with authors responding to my reviews. I enjoy the interaction. I enjoy hearing about how and why they did something in their story. If the author wants to leave a comment to one of their books I reviewed, I take it as an opportunity to interact with them, as long as the convo is kept civil, even if in the end we don't agree.
@Kate - if you ever want to respond to a review I've posted about any of your stories, I'm cool with it :)

Speak for yourself and your friends. There's no way for yo..."
Dear Author's reviews are addressed to the author and they're written in second person. (It struck me as little spooky at first. Now I'm used to it.)
edited to add: No, I know the reviews aren't actually for the author. It was just an interesting detail.

OK, I can see where you're coming from. In the site's perspective that would be the case. I expanded my definition for my reviews ;) Which would, as you mentioned, make both of our statements valid.

What is Dear Author's?

I think Tina hit the nail on the head here:
I care about you as a human being. I'm sure you're a lovely person. We may have lots in common. I wouldn't wish hurt or harm on you. I hope you have a loving family and an awesome pet to snuggle with.
But none of those things have shit to do with YOUR BOOK.
As a person, I have a lot of feelings and I empathize with people (animals, situations, whatnot) way too easily (I mean, it's actually embarrassing). I get what you're saying, Kate, about the person behind those reviews. I don't doubt that it hurts to hear someone shred something you worked so hard on. It bums me out thinking about how someone would feel reading some of these reviews. I've been criticized in my work, too, and there have been times it brought me to tears. It really sucks, I won't lie.
The problem is, and it always comes back to this, the reviews here are largely for other readers (your objection has been noted, Penumbra). The reviewers write for their audience, be it friends, family or just their own selves, and they typically aren't meant for the authors' eyes. They aren't there to make fun of the author (even if making fun of their book), nor are they there - and this is key - to help the author (in reference to good reviews). Because the reviews aren't there for the author, they are there for the consumer. Some authors don't get that at all. They think that unless the negative review somehow provides enumerated instructions on making their book better, it isn't a proper critique and is just a "bully" review. Then they let their emotions take over, they jump into the review space all rage and fury, chaos ensues, people's feelings get hurt, the topics get deleted, and next thing you know you're a headline on everyone's blog and other sites no one discusses here. ;)
I would think authors would want to stay away from reviews entirely (unless they want an ego boost and want to read their Five stars). Then again, I doubt many will build up the thick skin they need unless they read some of the bad ones. Hard to say. I don't think I could personally handle it since I'm a big bundle of emotions and cry at motherfuckin' everything, so those that can handle it kind of amaze me.
Point is, some authors don't get that the reviews aren't necessarily there for their benefit. I appreciate that you do. And I also appreciate your points about the person behind the book who might be reading the review (even though they shouldn't). And, finally, I appreciate the way you've handled this discussion.
@Samantha - If I'm being honest, I don't really have a problem with authors commenting per se. As with most things, it's about tone and respect. I'm not one to immediately cry foul if an author comments in a thread, but unfortunately, the incidents we've seen lately aren't quite as civil as this one. If your comment was as you stated, I don't see anything wrong with that, but that's just me (I know some people are staunchly against author comments of any kind, good or bad).

What is Dear Author's?"
http://dearauthor.com/category/book-r...
A popular review site -- mostly for romance, although they occasionally review movies and other media. A lot of industry news shows up there.

<3 I love you. I don't know you from beanz, but I love you.
Where's my goddamn automatic heart? Bah.

I'll try to remember that if I ever see an author complaining about your reviews...."
Haha! Oh my. *shakes head* lol
I've ha..."
And that response was so lacking in sarcasm?
Again, regardless of who you feel you're writing your reviews for this is still a customer aka reader review site.
Not an author feedback or critique group or beta reading via reviews.
Unless an author knows that reader or is friendly with them in some way to be sure they're welcome, they shouldn't be in that space. And all the reasons for that are entirely valid and warranted.
FTR, Auntie J wasn't talking about having nice, civil conversations with authors who post on your reviews.

I agree completely. Of course when that "valid statement" is stated with unnecessary snarkiness and condescension it certainly shouldn't come as any surprise.
However, my comments to you were sincere and polite. It is completely outside of my control if you chose to assume otherwise.
Have fun yourself *waves*

Not an author feedback or critique group or beta reading via reviews. ..."
I love it when others just have to be right without seeing someone else's pov.
I agree completely. Of course when that "valid statement" is stated with unnecessary snarkiness and condescension it certainly shouldn't come as any surprise.
Cool. Then knowing that I can be snarky, shouldn't be a problem for your snarkiness. We should *high five*

Not an author feedback or critique group o..."
You would be correct, if I had been snarky. But instead I thanked you and let you know I appreciated your comments. And, I do. So, thanks again!

Right. Others may feel differently, but I wouldn't have an issue with that either.

You (the author) become the vehicle of the story. Yes, they obviously know a person wrote it, but they're not thinking of you the person b/c it's not about you as a person and it shouldn't be.
@Jennifer, I'm going to be repetitive here, but This.
@everyone and no one, I've had authors attack my reviews and I've also had authors make perfectly lovely comments. So, I get both sides.
I do think it's hard for people who have never been a victim to ugly interactions by an author to fully understand the wariness it causes in people who have, or have been a first hand witness to.
And oftentimes even those perfectly lovely comments can feel intrusive. It doesn't mean the reader doesn't like to interact with authors or enjoy discussing their ideas and motivations, etc.
I was reading a book once and the author commented on one of my statuses where I was talking about the lack of narration, overuse of dialogue and the fact that two or more characters dialogue were often in the same paragraphs back to back.
I wasn't being rude or snarky or anything. I was a little frustrated b/c I was actually enjoying the story and those issues were detracting from that.
She commented, very politely, very friendly, and explained that she was a screenplay writer and that this was her first novel. She didn't make excuses, she was apologetic and she was very thankful for the feedback. Like I said, perfectly lovely.
Even so, while it gave me some insight, it also made me uncomfortable. I hadn't written my review yet and I was now aware that she was seeing what I wrote and more importantly that she was really nice and I knew that I wasn't going to have all nice things to say.
I almost didn't review it and I even got a little pissed that I was in the situation of feeling guilty for giving my opinion, even though I knew that wasn't her intention at all, but I wrote the review anyway. And while I like to think I was completely honest, I can't be 100% sure. B/c my perspective and my disassociation was skewed.
And, to me, that is a perfect example of why authors don't belong in a readers space.

I don't think something like this would bother me. But I have seen that anything that comes across as "I didn't mean it the way you took it" can be awfully tricky.
Sounds to me though like you sincerely cared about the reader and hoped to maybe make it a little better, and I bet that came across :)

Whether an author reads his/her reviews or not, I think they shoul..."
Your list is good and on point.
But just to clarify, I don't actually respond to reviews of my books, certainly not anymore
AND THIS PART IS IMPORTANT and rather adds to your list: I want to add that while my posting on a review was a mistake, I don't think samantha's response was a mistake. I've had time to think about it and HER concern was for the reader, not for her book.
I was upset when I wrote the original post, but I've never had any doubt about how I interact with reviews of my books or even what I think about those reviews. The topic has changed and shifted as my opinions (and understanding of goodreads policies) have changed and shifted but that truth hasn't changed.
ETA wait, no no no, that's not entirely true either. After a few hours of considering this topic--and god, I've done that--I recalled that it's the on-target ones that hurt and that sort of pain qualifies as the dreary "no growth without pain" thing. Valuable and important.
But I really truly wasn't thinking of those reviews when I wrote this, except I was dredging up the echo of discomfort--and my desire was to figure out how to help someone--the author--to see that the pain is real. They'll get an awful lot of the standard internetty message that buttpain hurtz are just stupid, jeez, which is hard to hear when you're in pain.
The better message to get in the long run, obviously, is it behooves someone to step away from that kind of suffering. I think I got that in there too.
You have all convinced me that GR isn't the space to talk about that. hell to the yes to that one.

Unless they are both consenting adults ;)
I really enjoyed you and Tina giving examples of polite comments that still could have a negative impact. Those are things I really hadn't thought of, but I can now certainly understand.

Even so, while it gave me some insight, it also made me uncomfortable. I hadn't written my review yet and I was now aware that she was seeing what I wrote and more importantly that she was really nice and I knew that I wasn't going to have all nice things to say.
I almost didn't review it and I even got a little pissed that I was in the situation of feeling guilty for giving my opinion, even though I knew that wasn't her intention at all, and I wrote the review anyway. And while I like to think I was completely honest, I can't be 100% sure. B/c my perspective and my disassociation was skewed.
And, to me, that is a perfect example of why authors don't belong in a readers space.
Wow. That's...all of what you just said is perfect. What an awkward position to be in, even though from the author's perspective, she really didn't do anything wrong and I can totally see why she would feel that way in that situation - she didn't think about how it would affect the resulting review, she was probably just excited someone was reading, and mostly enjoying, her book.

For my part, I'm just enjoying the conversation. :)

Not an author feedback or critique group o..."
FWIW, I didn't see your response to me until after I posted and refreshed the page.
I also told you flat-out that I do see your perspective and agree with your right to write your reviews however you see fit.
So, I'm not really sure what aspect of your pov I've missed or ignored in my mad quest to be right.
Eta: it also looks as though you're attributing that second quote to me instead of Auntie.

Is the boss a tall, dark and handsome man with washboard abs that just begged to be motorboatted?
If so, you can throw me under the boss. ;)

If so, you can throw me under the boss. ;) ..."
Sounds like the plot of a new YA romance novel, lol.

If so, you can throw me under the boss. ;) ..."
Sounds lik..."
I'd say NEW adult rather than YA.

: -)
ETA: a nose. I think as a single emoticon response, they look better with noses.

If so, you can throw me under the boss. ;) ..."
I stand corrected :)

THROWN UNDER THE BOSS 2: OVERTIME"
Bingo. Write it.

If so, you can throw me under the boss. ;) ..."
Sounds lik..."
I'm not sure abdominal motorboating would be appropriate for YA.
Adult romance? Definitely. ;)

THROWN UNDER THE BOSS 2: OVERTIME"
You're welcome.
Make sure to spell my name right in the dedication.

You stole my joke, Kate!
-_-"
uh oh--sorry.
but julio won the exchange.

You stole my joke, Kate!
-_-"
uh oh--sorry.
but julio won the exchange."
This is why you gotta be quick on the Internet.
You take a pee break and four people have stolen your thunder.
Smh

*tucks tinanicole's heart into back pocket of extremely tight jeans*
there are a lot of sub-plots and they change as people (read: me) change their minds (read: are schooled).