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The result is a superlative piece of fiction. A book to enjoy and savor and re read because it works, because it made us think, because it made us have all those darned feelz, because it was beautiful. And it was art.
The oven can be a decent substitute for a toaster when all else fails. ;)
Julie wrote: "Long may you gamble your heart, mind and soul in your wonderful fiction, Sarah!
And I hope you soon find that toaster... You and the bagels should not be kept asunder."
thank you- and I found the toaster! It finally occurred to me to ask for help, and my kid knew exactly where he put the toaster.
And I hope you soon find that toaster... You and the bagels should not be kept asunder."
thank you- and I found the toaster! It finally occurred to me to ask for help, and my kid knew exactly where he put the toaster.
Shadowspawn wrote: "Excellent post! You've very well described what I've felt about writing but wasn't able to articulate."
thank you- I've been having this discussion with myself for way too long- I needed to write it down. And plant my flag.
thank you- I've been having this discussion with myself for way too long- I needed to write it down. And plant my flag.
Vanessa wrote: "Sarah, i just read your work for the first time this weekend. One of the very first things that occurred to me was how obviously you were writing for the story, for the characters, for all the reas..."
thank you for the kind and thoughtful words. I'm so happy you read it! You and me together made a good story!
thank you for the kind and thoughtful words. I'm so happy you read it! You and me together made a good story!
Writing is something different. It’s something more.
That's exactly why your writing is as wonderful it is Sarah.
That's exactly why your writing is as wonderful it is Sarah.
Lauraadriana wrote: "Writing is something different. It’s something more.
That's exactly why your writing is as wonderful it is Sarah."
gracias, amigo- now if I will only stop talking and go write!
That's exactly why your writing is as wonderful it is Sarah."
gracias, amigo- now if I will only stop talking and go write!

Books have been my solace. My friends. They make me laugh, cry, and mostly, they entertain me -and that's invaluable.
Books have been a great solace to me as well. I can't imagine how I would have gotten through some of those rough times without books.
Sorry. I'm going to be the voice of disagreement here. The ideas, the words, the writing? Those are not a toaster. But once that artistry is turned into a book that is assigned a money value, mass-marketed and sold, then it has been turned into a commodity.
Some people may find enormous lasting impact in the book, some people may use it to line their birdcages, some will return it to Amazon and ask for a refund. Because they purchased an item and expected a certain amount of value for that transaction. What each person sees as "value" will be different, but that's not the point. The point is by the buyer giving the author (seller) an agreed amount money for the transaction, the expectation of quid pro quo is established. That isn't the realm of ideas, that's the realm of trade. Of something for something. And that something has been given an exact price. Just like the toaster.
Some people may find enormous lasting impact in the book, some people may use it to line their birdcages, some will return it to Amazon and ask for a refund. Because they purchased an item and expected a certain amount of value for that transaction. What each person sees as "value" will be different, but that's not the point. The point is by the buyer giving the author (seller) an agreed amount money for the transaction, the expectation of quid pro quo is established. That isn't the realm of ideas, that's the realm of trade. Of something for something. And that something has been given an exact price. Just like the toaster.
"The point is by the buyer giving the author (seller) an agreed amount money for the transaction, the expectation of quid pro quo is established."
Not sure what this means- what expectations by the reader are being guaranteed by the transaction? Does the author have an obligation to fulfill emotional expectations by a reader? Because reading fiction gives an emotional experience to a reader. Or in our genre, does the price of a book guarantee an orgasm or two? Is there a disconnect between why the writer is selling a book, and what the reader believes she is buying, what she is entitled to as a result of the transaction? I'm not sure I start to read a book believing that the writer has to give me what I want, or I want my money back. Art is riskier than that, and I don't mind gambling.
Not sure what this means- what expectations by the reader are being guaranteed by the transaction? Does the author have an obligation to fulfill emotional expectations by a reader? Because reading fiction gives an emotional experience to a reader. Or in our genre, does the price of a book guarantee an orgasm or two? Is there a disconnect between why the writer is selling a book, and what the reader believes she is buying, what she is entitled to as a result of the transaction? I'm not sure I start to read a book believing that the writer has to give me what I want, or I want my money back. Art is riskier than that, and I don't mind gambling.
Sarah wrote: ""The point is by the buyer giving the author (seller) an agreed amount money for the transaction, the expectation of quid pro quo is established."
Not sure what this means- what expectations by th..."
To add to that, is then a painting that is commissioned from an artist because his or her work has impacted or a patron less of a piece of art because it has a buyer? Or someone creates jewelry to sell is not still using/exercising his artistic talent? I think the absolutely are...It's the same thing with a book and its writer.
Not sure what this means- what expectations by th..."
To add to that, is then a painting that is commissioned from an artist because his or her work has impacted or a patron less of a piece of art because it has a buyer? Or someone creates jewelry to sell is not still using/exercising his artistic talent? I think the absolutely are...It's the same thing with a book and its writer.
I'm not saying that books come with a guarantee. Nowhere do I say that. What I said is that a sale of ANYTHING creates expectations, and some of that expectation is of value received. I gave you my money, you gave me your book in return. So now I expect to get something that was worth my money.
What that amounts to will vary in every person who reads one of your stories. If people feel cheated, whether it's as silly as they thought the book was an erotica and it didn't even get their panties wet doesn't matter. They will still feel that way and think they "paid too much". Because they paid their money. Because the act of paying money makes it feel like a trade. Because selling a book, especially in an open market makes it just the same as when you by a pair of shoes...or a toaster. You want to feel you got your money's worth.
My expectation when I buy a book is a certain level of quality in the writing, how the ideas are conveyed, basic editing and proofing. I have returned exactly 3 books to Amazon out of the literally hundreds I've bought. One because I bought it in error, and two because the writing was so atrocious that the books were essentially unreadable. I feel no guilt about booting those not-ready-for-prime time stories back and demanding a refund. They should never have been published. I'm not going to demand refunds because the author told a different story than I wanted or because I failed to see what they were trying to convey. But some people might. And when you've asked them for money, some of them are going to feel free to demand it back if you didn't give them exactly what they wanted or expected. That's the nature of trading.
I guess my point is that how you or I might respond individually doesn't matter. What matters is that many people see books, especially genre books, as a commodity and they are going to ask for their money back if they feel they were cheated.
What that amounts to will vary in every person who reads one of your stories. If people feel cheated, whether it's as silly as they thought the book was an erotica and it didn't even get their panties wet doesn't matter. They will still feel that way and think they "paid too much". Because they paid their money. Because the act of paying money makes it feel like a trade. Because selling a book, especially in an open market makes it just the same as when you by a pair of shoes...or a toaster. You want to feel you got your money's worth.
My expectation when I buy a book is a certain level of quality in the writing, how the ideas are conveyed, basic editing and proofing. I have returned exactly 3 books to Amazon out of the literally hundreds I've bought. One because I bought it in error, and two because the writing was so atrocious that the books were essentially unreadable. I feel no guilt about booting those not-ready-for-prime time stories back and demanding a refund. They should never have been published. I'm not going to demand refunds because the author told a different story than I wanted or because I failed to see what they were trying to convey. But some people might. And when you've asked them for money, some of them are going to feel free to demand it back if you didn't give them exactly what they wanted or expected. That's the nature of trading.
I guess my point is that how you or I might respond individually doesn't matter. What matters is that many people see books, especially genre books, as a commodity and they are going to ask for their money back if they feel they were cheated.


I agree with your thoughts, Sarah, on the nature of art—its function and value to our species—but I also agree with Kate and Emma, that anything that can be assigned a value is subject to commerce.
When someone buys a book, it is with the expectation that it will provide value for their money—in whatever way it is they choose to view such things.
Some will value the very same things you do, as an author, and so their purchase will reflect their expectation of being rewarded as such.
Others will value other things—other aspects of the very same book. Like humor, or sex scenes, or characters named Bob, or whatever.
I don't think it is possible to conclude (not that any here yet have) that an instrument of human art cannot exist as completely different things to different people.

Just as with literature—I do not distinguish between the value of the meanest, most embarrassingly unrefined smutromanze novel and some great big literary playground like Infinite Jest.
Both reward me, and both cost me money. I value them in different ways—but they arrived in my life by exactly the same means.

Not sure what this means- what expectations by th..."
"Or, in our genre, does the price of a book guarantee an orgasm or two." Wow, that is so incredibly condescending to readers, it makes me spitting mad. I read exactly what I want because I enjoy it, with or without orgasms. I pay the same grubby money for a work of "literature" as I do a work of genre fiction. The gamble I take, and this is always subjective, is that the "product" will be enjoyable to me in some way. I don't care if the book is short listed for the Man-Booker prize or if its a gloriously smutty tale of werewolf insta-love. Books are not toasters, authors aren't slaving away in toaster factories producing identical utilitarian products, and hey, I'm not....toast. Er, something, something, profound. I feel better now.

Phew, that's a relief because otherwise I'd be a toaster and toast with not only split personality disorder but a huge inferiority complex. FYI, my stories don't come with an orgasm guarantee.
A book's content will always be subjective depending on the reader, however I'm sure we all agree that what is required if we are handing over cash is a high standard of speeelong. puncuation and granma.

Phew, that's a relief because otherwise ..."
What, no orgasm guarantee?! You are toast, sista.

And I hope you soon find that toaster... You and the bagels should not be kept asunder.