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May 24, 2013 12:04AM

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I got a canned reply yesterday about 'rankings being related to other book sales, not overall sales', but that's clearly not relevant. I'm waiting to hear back from them a second time now, but it's out of business hours there.
The other thing is it's so incredibly hypocritical. Nook has Fifty Shades of Grey on their front page. It's literally the first thing you see when you open the site. But apparently other erotic books are somehow different.


They do have your second book listed, but not your first.





It's so disheartening to see things like this happen. It's not fair on the author or the reader. It feels like we're all being treated like children, getting slapped on the wrist when we write/read something "they" deem inappropriate.





But please don't take out the torches and pitchforks until we have more information.









The Billionaire's Obsession made the USA Today Bestseller List because of Amazon and ITunes and has remained on the list because of those two vendors.
I'm not sure if B & N is dumping indies because they don't want them on the list or because they are selling those spots to publishers and need to dump them to make space, but the whole situation is disheartening. Do they think this doesn't have a negative impact on them? They complain about losses every quarter, but they aren't looking at the big picture. I was a very good B & N customer. But I'll never buy another product or book from them now, nor will any of my friends because of this dishonest behavior.
So...are they manipulating their list? Oh, heck yeah. I guarantee it. I'm so glad authors are talking about the issue. I just wish it didn't happen at all!



Maybe they realized that this genre of books has been done a million times over and that all your books are the same story with the names changed. And that you should move on from written porn, that creates unrealistic expectations of men.

Wow. Just wow. That's your comment to obvious discrimination against these authors? That they deserve it?
I suppose spy thrillers, murder mysteries, coming of age etc are genres just chocked full of completely unrelated plots that have never been done before?


You're right. Couldn't help myself for a moment. Sounded a little too much like the "well she deserved it if she was going to go out dressed in such a short skirt" argument. I will never understand some people.

A little update. B&N are being totally non communicative. I also had my distributor, Draft2Digital, trying to find out answers, but they are also being ignored. Clearly this is a case of 'sweep it under the rug and maybe everyone will forget about it,' which obviously makes my blood boil. If there is a policy like this in place, we deserve some clarity and consistency, so at least acknowledge its existence.
Since Hugh posted this, other authors have come out citing exactly the same thing (including a couple that posted here); an invisible wall at the number #125. One of those that replied on Hugh's wall was Blake Crouch who writes dark thrillers/horror. So this isn't confined to just sexy books, although those seem to get the majority of the attention.
I also had a discussion with another author, who I'll leave nameless for now, who think this impacted her newest book hitting the New York Times Bestseller list. That's another important factor to consider. I'm not sure how places like the Times work out those lists, but if sales rank is used to calculate them, then this can potentially be an even bigger thorn in indie writers' sides.
I'm not done hassling them yet. There are other blog posts by other authors coming, and I will continue to send emails and call people until they acknowledge something is up.
Thank you all for your support so far.


1) You might want to hold off throwing B&N under the bus, as Amazon has recently been accused of the exact same thing: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetec...
2) This won't affect NYT status because the Times doesn't track every book sold in the U.S. They use a system similar to Nielsen in which they go by sales from a select number of bookstores as a sample to gauge sales. (I know this because I was approved as a NYT reporting store when I owned an indie several years ago.) Thus, this issue won't have an impact on other rankings.
3) The books are still being sold. The major effect this has on writers is with discoverability, especially for those self-published or from tiny publishers. I acknowledge that it is a problem—if it's true (innocent before proven guilty and all that). Reader feedback can be effective in changing corporate policy, but it's probably best to hold off on the pitchforks and torches until there's more than just anecdotal evidence.
If someone does a somewhat more scientific poll of a variety of writers in the affected genres and comes back with more than circumstantial evidence, then get vocal with B&N—just leave the pitchforks and torches behind, and confront them with reason and evidence. So much more effective in the longrun. And better for everyone's blood pressure.


I appreciate your post, but, as an author who has had two books affected by this, this is not anecdotal evidence to me. I see the numbers in my B&N sales reports. My book Relentless and Maya's book LOCKOUT were both in the B&N top 20, so we are both aware of the number of book sales it takes to get there. I will gladly provide my sales reports to anyone who requires proof.
And, yes, B&N is included in the bookstores that reports sales for the NYT list. Not sure what kind of argument you were trying to make there.
Discoverability is a huge factor for indie authors because most of us don't have huge marketing budgets and we can't get our books placed on the front table in bookstores. We rely on the accuracy of those bestsellers list for customers to find us.


1) You might want to hold off throwing B&N under the bus, as Amazon has recently been accused of the exact same thing: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetec......"
I agree that the Amazon policy is concerning, but there is one key difference; they acknowledge that there is a policy. They could be more transparent about what criteria they use, but if you email them, they reply and tell you what has happened. B&N are ignoring this issue all together. They refuse to acknowledge what they're doing.
Secondly, it appears this may be more than just censoring erotic content. Other authors who write cleaner romances, and even horror or thrillers, have come out and said they have hit this exact wall. The only thing everyone seems to have in common is that they are self published. If that's the case, it completely undermines the entire premise of Nook Press.
With regards to raising pitchforks, these discussions have been incredibly beneficial in doing just what you suggested; getting authors to band together and pool data. I can now list ten or more authors, some of whom are very big self published names, who have experienced this exact issue. Many didn't even understand what had happened until now. The manipulation appears to be quite subtle, and it probably would have continued to go unnoticed unless it was brought out into the light. My understanding of what's going on has been built piece by piece as more authors come out with their part of the story.
I'd love to talk to other affected authors and pool stats and screenshots. As Cassia said, this isn't just anecdotal evidence. Multiple people have screenshots of their titles hitting a wall at exactly the same place, and they have sales figures to show the disparity.