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Aug 19, 2012 08:13AM
Each of the books referred to is very good and, certainly, worth reading. All of them are different. However each of them gives a deep insight into the most important aspects of life, philosophy, psycology. The books are educational in some way. They enable readers to expand their knowledge of the above aspects and many more. Bravo!
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No purple :( Well, if we go by the intended second (as books 1 & 2 were originally one book) i think the second (which is really books 3 & 4) was easier, but then if we are counting the second book EVER written... I don't know. I'd have to do some mental calculations to figure out what that one was. However most writing sites do not count anything written before the age of 17, so if we count only books written after the age of 17 that made it to completion... well I'm still not sure. I don't remember how old i was when I went on that horror writing jag. But if we count 18 and up then that makes book 1 the second as I took a writing hiatus after High school (I played around with a book about some preppy teenagers for awhile but never finished it, either) and did not get back into it until a few months before plunging into the vampire novel.
Now I have wandered completely off point. I have always felt a lot of Shakespeare was not so much philosophy, or even the need of expression but, like the mass market writers of our time, the desire to sell theater tickets. There is nothing wrong with this, as I find it a practical approach (being a more practical than "artsy" person myself, I can even connect with such an idea)- like the difference between a graphic artist vs one whose every painting has symbolism. This is not to say that a graphic artist can not do symbolism, nor that Shakespeare did not have some expression and themes he wished to convey, but I think there was less "artsy-ness" to it than many people have attributed to it, and ergo less mysteriousness.
The same with Edgar Allen Poe - like The Bells, for instance. so many will say it is symbolic, it is an ode it is... I think it is someone who is sick of listening to ringing, tinging bells, personally. It grows more and more "frantic" as he grows more and more annoyed. however english/lit teachers do not like such theories (Or I should say *some* english/lit teachers - and I know this for a fact) because they take the "mystery" from the creation.
Joleene wrote: "No purple :( Well, if we go by the intended second (as books 1 & 2 were originally one book) i think the second (which is really books 3 & 4) was easier, but then if we are counting the second bo..."
Sorry to have been so dilatory about replying to this Jo...it's just my opinion but I reckon Shakespeare always wrote with one eye on the bottom line, and not only is that "defensible" but a very good thing. What set him apart from his fellows is that he was able to
"do it all" - to be popular through his provocative emotional and "philosophical" as you call it character sketches and plots. That's what makes him the greatest writer ever - the "groundlings" (cheap seats) and the grandees at the plays all found something that appealed. Today, the more you go into it, the more you get out. That's the thing about Shakespeare: there is always more.
It's unclear what Shakespeare really thought about anything, or if he had any fixed views at all. Whenever someone quotes a line from a play, it's always a line from a character, not the man himself...in Hamlet, for example, the "neither a borrower nor a lender be" speech by Polonius is a satire; Polonius is a pompous bore. Yet is there not wisdom there?
Even the poems, which are of course supposedly the views of some one, could be taken to be "with one eye on the bottom line". The sonnets are a cycle of poems and it is arguable whether Shakespeare was truly expressing his personal views, and even if he was, what these were (scholars have spent the better part of the time since he died trying to unwish the apparent bisexuality and other unpleasant aspects of the sonnets precisely because Shakespeare was so able to cloud his meaning and hide his personality behind the words).
Even so, whatever Shakespeare thought, the wonder of the man was that he was able to move freely among the many wild ideas circulating at the time, to deal with them, and to use them to "sell tickets" as you put it. Where I live now, the cliche is "put bums on seats".
Wow this is almost another post! Well, I plan to revisit WS so maybe I'll pillage some of this another time.
It is true there is wisdom there but, by the same token, wisdom may be found almost everywhere if one only looks for it. For example I believe the most profound statement of all is from a movie Ride with the Devil: "It ain't right and it ain't wrong, it just is." Yes, this is true on many, many levels. people spend so much time with moral sades of black and white and trying to find meaning and such in every action, word, thought and occurrence but most of the time an event, person, etc etc are neither "wrong " or "right" they just are and it is what is made from it that is either wrong or right.Another good quip of wisdom comes from Yoda - "do or do not... there is no try." I believe this one is self explanatory so I won't go on about it. Many anime moments spring instantly to mind as well. Full Metal Alchemist is rife with wisdom, especially with the premise of the entire alchemy being "all is one and one is all" as well as the equivalent exchange concept. Oh, and let's not forget Tolkien who has as much wisdom packed in his pages as he could fit (prime example: "Many that live deserve death. And many that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death and judgement."
Okay, I could go for pages but I'll quit there ;)
My point is - and now I shall be filleted - I have always found Shakespeare to be overrated. A fine writer, sure, but no better or worse then many, many others. He simply got lucky and fell into the right niche at the right time and I imagine had a good promo team as well as having some controversial subjects that no doubt got him a lot of attention. Is he worth reading? Yes. But so are many others that the "learned scholars" would stick their noses up at because they believe that they and their academic choices have an exclusive agreement with wisdom and that the rest of entertainment is tosh (and don't get me wrong, there is some of that, too. Jack Ass springs to mind!) because they are not looking for wisdom in those other places, and so they ca not see it. Wisdom is only found by those who look for it. In the end, Shakespeare was simply a writer telling a story, like thousands before him and thousands after him and we are the ones who give his words meaning and find the wisdom in it - or not- as we choose.
You'll have to make these replies into posts :p


