I Thought This Was Interesting

Five Things New Writers Do That Guarantee Readers Won't Give Them a Chance

I've been poking around the web, checking out various forums and venues for book promotion, and one thing I've noticed is how rude and crude and clumsy BSP (Blatant Self Promotion) has gotten again. It's like we've come full circle. When I first experimented with self-publishing (waaay back when iUniverse was the hottest game in town), aspiring writers frequently did things like spam everyone on their mailing list, bombard discussion lists with announcements of their releases, butt into every conversation with clumsy references to their own work...and so on and so forth.

And what happened, inevitably, was that readers and other writers got fed up and began to lash out at these hapless newbie boobies.  It was a brutal but effective learning curve. And in fairness, choosing to go it alone is such a scary, solitary road and it's understandable that these inexperienced scribes would grab desperately at every chance to keep their book afloat.

The problem is that while a single writer inserting himself and his book into every conversation might be overlooked as the gauche behavior of one member of a community, five hundred authors doing the same thing will be viewed as an assault. The barrage of spamming ensures that reader tolerance will reach its limit and snap. Often the unhappy recipient of all that pent up reader antagonism will be someone newly arrived on the scene with the sheer bad luck to open his mouth at the wrong moment.

Now with self-publishing reaching a whole new zenith, Author BSP is sinking to a new nadir, and once again it's getting ugly and hostile out there. No wonder. I've had several posts from authors in the past couple of weeks featuring subject headers that would do the purveyors of penis enhancers proud. I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING proclaimed an author who shall be nameless. The message?

Book Title X now available as ebook on Amazon, Google Books and Barnes and Noble.


Come on. Seriously?

Why would anyone think this stark, unvarnished spam from a stranger -- directed to another writer no less! -- would be anything but irritating? I didn't check Amazon, Google or B&N, I didn't even click on the author's profile. I hung onto the message so I could write this post. Period. Spam is spam, and unwelcome advertising, be it for learning to speak a language I have no desire to learn, "a life full of hot babes," or a book with the same generic titles as a dozen other books,  is not going to persuade me otherwise. Adopting the tactics of the worst email spammers -- people who rely on hitting that lucky idiot out of every thousand targets -- will not be successful for most people trying to sell literature.

1 - Don't resort to the shlocky tactics of sleazy offshore spammers.

2 - Don't bombard every list you belong to with repeat announcements about your book. At the very least, mix it up, trade off excerpts, personalize them, and above all don't post every day and don't post more than once per day unless you are actually engaged in conversation.

3 - Don't drag your book into every conversation. Let's say you wrote a mystery and you're hanging around the Amazon mystery forums desperately looking for an opening to mention your book. Someone asks for a recommendation of mysteries with strong middleaged protagonists and you wrote a mystery with a middleaged protagonist!!!  It's Fate! It's the perfect opening! No. It's not. DON'T jump into the conversation to recommend your own work -- unless you can also recommend several other titles by others (and personally I don't think you should mention your own work even then).

4 - Don't keep commenting on your own announcement posts in order to keep them high on a forum page. This is rude behavior -- and the fact that you acknowledge the rudeness by excusing it on the basis of "posts falling off the front page so quickly" doesn't make it any better. Everyone wants a turn on the front page. Get in line and don't take cuts.

5 - Don't make up an alternate ego to do any of the above on your behalf. First of all, we all know that no one -- not even the most devoted of readers -- spends all her time hitting lists on behalf of her favorite author. Besides, bad behavior on the part of someone representing you will reflect on you.


Readers, what are your biggest turn-offs when it comes to authors trying to promote themselves? What tips could you give them from the reader perspective?

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Published on June 16, 2012 12:32
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message 51: by Kari (new)

Kari Gregg Tam wrote: "I should add that something I saw interesting an author did was not rate their own book but added it and then did a little blurb here at GR about what inspired the story to be written. I liked that..."

I saw that on Amazon once. Think it was Tara Lain? She added an author comment about what inspired the story. That was an interesting & useful bit of promo, I thought.


message 52: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Tam wrote: "So recommending my own book? No. Read the blurb, buy it or not, your call. Obviously I don't think it sucks, but after that point, who the hell knows."

I like that attitude. <3


message 53: by Tam (new)

Tam Lou wrote: "I'm curious of reader opinions: what is a good promo? What makes you take a chance on a writer you've never heard of before? "

1) An interesting blurb - I don't care if I've never heard of someone and it's their first book, if I like the concept, I'll buy the book. (How I find that blurb will vary - may discover it in a blog post, maybe in a publisher newsletter, maybe from seeing a friend post a good review on GR, or another review site, it depends.)
2) Word of mouth from friends I trust

That's really the two big things. A nifty cover might catch my eye, a blog post might sound interesting and the person may even sound great, but if the topic is X, Y or Z or a genre I don't care for ... *shrug* I won't buy it. It's all about content. And my hot buttons for content will differ. I'll buy most any m/m/m (pervy? Who I?) but obviously others would rather gouge their eyes out with a rusty spork that read m/m/m.


message 54: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Lou wrote: "I'm curious of reader opinions: what is a good promo? What makes you take a chance on a writer you've never heard of before?"

1) Beautiful cover makes me click to the book page
2) Compelling blurb makes me add the book to my TBR shelf
3) Well-written reviews make me think about buying the book

Things that will push me over the fence are word of mouth from friends who say I'll like the book or if the book is cheap enough for an impulse buy.


message 55: by Tam (new)

Tam Lou wrote: "What about blog posts and giveaways? Do they ever put a book on your radar?

How do you get to the point of looking at covers and blurbs on the first place?"


Give-aways yes. I will notice that and sometimes add it to my list if I don't win.

To be honest, I'm a browser. I'll go "I need some new books." (Need being loosely interpreted) and then I go to ARe or even publishers and just start scrolling the newest additions and see what catches my eye. It's totally random and there is no logic. I will also go to buy book A and start clicking around to see if anything else catches my eye. If I'm uncertain, I then come back to GR, see if anyone I know has read it and what they say and then decide if it's worthwhile reading.


message 56: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Lou wrote: "What about blog posts and giveaways? Do they ever put a book on your radar?"

Yes. I follow blogs via Google Reader on my PC and Newsify on my iPhone. I don't participate in giveaways but I do check out the book the blogger or author is giving away.

Lou wrote: "How do you get to the point of looking at covers and blurbs on the first place?"

Mostly I discover new books (new to me) on GoodReads. When I see my friends and people I follow adding books, I check them out.


message 57: by Anne (new)

Anne Tenino Cris wrote: "Anne wrote: "OTOH, I know feel that by commenting here and announcing I'm an author, I've done so... It's a conundrum. "

To Anne's point, as a reader, I actually appreciate being introduced to new..."


I so, so want to name characters Spic and Span, now. ROFL


message 58: by Anne (new)

Anne Tenino K.Z. wrote: "Josh wrote: "But rating your own work is pretty much de rigueur."

Well . . . shit. Why didn't you say this months ago? I could've been five-starring all my books and had a ready-made excuse: "Hey,..."


That is totally my excuse for everything. ;-)


message 59: by Anne (new)

Anne Tenino Gail wrote: "Seriously, do they think that everything has to be about them and their book?"

That's pretty much exactly what they think. This is what I think happens: writing a book, turns out, is a lot of freaking work (if you do it right), so when they've done it, all the sudden they want a big pay off for having done it. The fastest way to get that big pay off is to have a hit book, so that's all they're thinking about.

Every time they see a discussion where someone isn't talking about their book, they're thinking, "What in the hell? Why aren't they talking about my book?" Because they're polite, they don't want to point out the wrong-headedness of the people having the discussion, so they try to gently redirect everyone back on track by just mentioning their book. Because they wrote it, and it's going to be a hit, right? So why aren't people talking about it? Sheesh.

Sometimes readers have to be redirected repeatedly.


message 60: by Anne (new)

Anne Tenino Tam wrote: "As for myself as an author, ugh. I hate promo."

And you know? It's as much work as writing another book, so why not just do that instead?


message 61: by Anne (new)

Anne Tenino Tam wrote: "I should add that something I saw interesting an author did was not rate their own book but added it and then did a little blurb here at GR about what inspired the story to be written. I liked that..."

Oh, I like that. I need to try and remember it.


message 62: by mc (last edited Jun 19, 2012 07:36PM) (new)

mc Anne wrote: "I so, so want to name characters Spic and Span, now. ROFL."

Oh, for goodness' sake. I must protest.

Over-pimpage? I agree with all of Josh's rules above, but even without such clear-cut rules, it's a lot like the definition of pornography. I know it when I see it. (And I don't even need the 'whah whah whah 70s music heavy on the sax,' either.


message 63: by Anne (new)

Anne Tenino C'mon, mc, it would be a good, clean romance.


message 64: by mc (new)

mc Oh, Anne. Was it truly necessary to take such a good discussion into this kind of zone? Do you feel proud of yourself?


message 65: by Anne (new)

Anne Tenino Well, I did feel proud of myself...


message 66: by Librarian (new)

Librarian Kate Anne wrote: "Tam wrote: "I should add that something I saw interesting an author did was not rate their own book but added it and then did a little blurb here at GR about what inspired the story to be written. ..."

I totally agree with the "background info" vs. "give myself 5 stars" approach.... I remember the first time I saw an author's name in the reviews list with 5 stars, and thought "jeez, that looks needy and insecure" (sorry, Josh!) and figured it was a newbie author who wanted to boost the overall rating and was too new to have a big following who would post lots of reviews.

Then I saw it done by a couple of authors who are VERY popular, and certainly didn't need the extra review to boost their book's rating... still looked kind of insecure to me.

Background info/inspiration story is MUCH more likely to get me to read a book, regardless of other reviews and ratings. If the background AND the book sound interesting, I'll be off to the bookstore, because I love having that kind of connection to an author. (in the non-stalker, "fan" vs. "friend" kind of way)


message 67: by Kari (new)

Kari Gregg I came across a thread very early on for me, sorry can't remember where (probably M/M Romance group), where readers talked about writers rating and reviewing their own work. The consensus was against reviewing, though more mixed for self-rating. After reading the reader POV on self-rating & self-reviewing, though, I was convinced it wasn't for me.

Liking good reviews...I've seen mixed bag of reactions from readers on this too. Some like it and see the "like" as a thanks from the writer to the reader for taking the time to write out their thoughts & opinions. Others don't and see it as authors being intrusive.

Which cycles back to the "there's no pleasing everybody" thing. I don't think anybody sees either self-rating or liking good reviews as heinous or egregious, though, nothing like the flagrant BSP that generally sets our teeth on edge.


message 68: by Anne (new)

Anne Tenino I don't read all my reviews so I can't "like" them fairly. That's part of why I don't. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that most reader reviews here and on Amazon and similar places are not for the writer but the reader, and it's best for me to stay out of it.

I know right now there is some *ahem* contentious conversation around the issue, and it's become clear to me that readers don't necessarily expect the writer to read their review, so it's best for all parties not to. Whereas the "professional" reviewer (there's a better term for that, right? What is it?) expects the writer to read it.


message 69: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Lou wrote: "Thank you. Interesting to know. I used to hours on amazon clicking from book to book."

Oh Lou, I forgot to tell you that GR recently blogged about how GR users discover book: http://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/37...


message 70: by Montana (last edited Jun 20, 2012 01:46PM) (new)

Montana Josh wrote: But rating your own work is pretty much de rigueur.

I generally agree with you one hundred percent, Josh, but here I'll have to respectfully disagree. Whenever I see an author who's starred their own books, I can't help but think, "Tacky!"


message 71: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Lou wrote: "Experiment BL626 wrote: "Lou wrote: "Thank you. Interesting to know. I used to hours on amazon clicking from book to book."

Oh Lou, I forgot to tell you that GR recently blogged about how GR users..."


I don't know if M/M has an NPR equivalent. The biggest publicity would probably be a review at DearAuthor book blog.

Depends on how long the wait is till the next book and how much the reader liked the previous book if the next book is part of a series. I don't know honestly. I believe it differ from reader to reader.


message 72: by Antonella (last edited Jun 22, 2012 06:05AM) (new)

Antonella Johanna wrote: "Josh wrote: ''There are books and writers I CANNOT BEAR, cannot fathom why they would be loved and praised, let alone loved and praised by my own super smart readers.
:-D :-D

But they are and I do my best to keep my mouth shut not least because I respect my readers, so if they see something there, there probably IS something there that I'm blind to."

LOL. This made me smile widely. I think I recognize myself from this (maybe not the smart part *grin*) and I definitely recognize you, Josh. You are so polite, sweet and considerate towards your readers, you really are. :)"


I thought exactly the same as Johanna!

For the rest I dislike authors that rate their own books with 5 stars. I'm sorry when authors I like do this.


message 73: by Chella (new)

Chella I WILL struggle with self-promotion as it pertains to my writing just as I do in my day-job. I did set up a FB page and sent friend requests to several authors, but the last thing on my mind was spamming anyone! My thought process was more along the lines of surrounding myself with the thoughts and writing of those I admire! I have joined several groups to help me work through my anxiety surrounding putting myself out there.

I can honestly say that I'm not sure how I feel about an author rating his/her own work. Many times self-evaluation is far more critical than any delivered by another. Of course, I am brutally honest and tend to be my own worst critic. Perhaps I'm alone in that!


message 74: by Josh (new)

Josh Tam wrote: "I should add that something I saw interesting an author did was not rate their own book but added it and then did a little blurb here at GR about what inspired the story to be written. I liked that..."

That's a great idea!

As a matter of fact, one of the things I like about Shelfari is it has those kinds of tools for authors. I think that is fun for readers and certainly more fun for authors than the usual fields. It allows for more of a personal touch.


message 75: by Josh (new)

Josh Kari wrote: "Tam wrote: "I should add that something I saw interesting an author did was not rate their own book but added it and then did a little blurb here at GR about what inspired the story to be written. ..."

Shelfari feeds into Amazon, so that's probably what you saw. I believe those fields are available on Amazon, if you're not a member of Shelfari so either way you can update the pages with (hopefully) interesting tidbits.

And that's the kind of thing that costs nothing and requires nothing from anyone but you the author.


message 76: by Josh (new)

Josh Lou wrote: "Oh the many pitfalls of self-promotion! Not to mention the pain an misery. It's like doing your best Julie Andrews imitation in a mine field. :P

Being on the receiving end is not fun either. Like ..."


Or this -- when the big name author friends all your friends but NOT you. I've had that happen. Ouch.


message 77: by Josh (new)

Josh Lou wrote: "Thank you. Interesting to know. I used to hours on amazon clicking from book to book."

Like Tam, I will browse. And I will listen to my Goodreads forum. Excerpts are often the death knell though. Unless it's a book we're doing for a group read -- or I'm just in that mood where I don't bother to read the excerpt because I just want to buy some books.

Yes, I do have those moments where I don't care, I just want new fiction and I'm going with the enticing blurb and nice cover!


message 78: by Josh (new)

Josh Lou wrote: "What about blog posts and giveaways? Do they ever put a book on your radar?

How do you get to the point of looking at covers and blurbs on the first place?"


I shop amazon.


message 79: by Josh (new)

Josh Kari wrote: "I came across a thread very early on for me, sorry can't remember where (probably M/M Romance group), where readers talked about writers rating and reviewing their own work. The consensus was again..."

Writing your own reviews is just plain nuts. Truly.

Equally nuts is writing nasty reviews of other authors under fake names. Uh...I mean YOU using the fake name. :-D

The ratings...I guess I just don't take the ratings seriously enough to think much one way or the other. I usually snort when I see it.


message 80: by Josh (new)

Josh Anne wrote: "I don't read all my reviews so I can't "like" them fairly. That's part of why I don't. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that most reader reviews here and on Amazon and similar places are not ..."

No, I don't read them either (unless the readers point them out to me) so there's no question of liking or not liking.

Basically I like Goodreads for the social interaction in my groups. I never leave the groups section. the social interaction here is a little different than any other social media I belong to. Definitely more focused on books and reading, which I like.

That said, there is a lot of crossover. Many people I know on goodreads I also know on Twitter or Facebook or LJ or my blog. If I had to cut one out it would probably be between Goodreads and Twitter. With Twitter being most likely to get the axe.


message 81: by Josh (new)

Josh Experiment BL626 wrote: "Lou wrote: "Thank you. Interesting to know. I used to hours on amazon clicking from book to book."

Oh Lou, I forgot to tell you that GR recently blogged about how GR users discover book: http://ww..."


That was very interesting, but I thought it was slanted toward readers who are already heavily invested in Goodreads. And Goodreads is actually one of the smallest (though very focused) of the social medias. So while that was informative, I'm not sure how to interpret it beyond the boundaries of Goodreads?


message 82: by Josh (new)

Josh Antonella wrote: "I thought exactly the same as Johanna!
..."


I believe you two share a guilty conscience. :-D


message 83: by Johanna (new)

Johanna Josh wrote: "Antonella wrote: "I thought exactly the same as Johanna!
..."

I believe you two share a guilty conscience. :-D"


And the exactly same taste in books... ;)


message 84: by Librarian (new)

Librarian Kate I guess I'm one of those people who gets easily overwhelmed by too many review sites and blogs, so I mostly use Goodreads - friend recommendations/reviews/opinions, author blog posts (I get the weekly summary from GR, and look for authors to announce their books, or review other authors' books), book of the month choices, that kind of stuff.

I sometimes check through different publisher sites I've bookmarked to see what looks interesting - and I'll admit a good title and/or cover will make me stop and look at the blurb.

I also ask the opinion of the owner of the local LGBT bookstore - he's a bit old-school about the whole "is m/m really 'gay romance'" issue, but he's a big fan of Good Story books, and really knows what's up with print books.

I don't pay attention to Amazon - they have their own agenda about promoting/hiding books I'd probably like to read, and I don't trust either their ratings or their reviewers.


message 85: by Josh (new)

Josh Librarian wrote: "I don't pay attention to Amazon - they have their own agenda about promoting/hiding books I'd probably like to read, and I don't trust either their ratings or their reviewers.
..."


This is true of every site. And every site has its own culture. You have to find the site that feels comfortable and that works for you. And you have to take everything with a grain of salt.

Or maybe a whole salt shaker!


message 86: by Josh (new)

Josh Johanna wrote: "Josh wrote: "Antonella wrote: "I thought exactly the same as Johanna!
..."

I believe you two share a guilty conscience. :-D"

And the exactly same taste in books... ;)"


Well, MOSTLY that's probably a positive.


message 87: by Charming (new)

Charming I think five-starring your own books is something that used to be OK, but now is more frowned on.

Personally - I am willing to forgive a lot if the author is also interacting and contributing as a reader. If you vote for your book on a listopia, at least vote for the others you like that fit the list. If you mention your book on a thread talking about books, talk about other books that fit first and more often. If you add me as a friend, interact with me, before and after you mention your new release. I like authors. They should just at least pretend to like me back. :-)

The authors on Josh's GR group are a great example. I am glad to hear about their releases, because I already know them from the group. And they mention it once, and then go back to talking about what we are all talking about.


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