A Little Kindness

I'd like to ask a favor, please...

I'm just about done with the last edits on Show Me Yours, my second free Love is Always Write story. In avoiding those edits (because I loathe revising and am always looking for excuses to delay it) I've looked at some of the other LiAW stories that have come out. There are some wonderful pieces of work, and others less to my taste. But already, there is more great free reading than I have time for.

The other less-pleasant thing that struck me as I looked around was how many of them had at least one pretty-harsh review.

I want to ask you all, as you read these, to remember what this M/M Romance writing event is about.

Some of us are professionals - you have every right to expect my writing to be up to whatever standards you are looking for. If you don't like my style, if you hate one of my characters, disbelieve my plot, get bored or, hell, if you hate the color of socks my MC wears, feel free to review my story as harshly as you choose. Almost every story I've ever written has received 1-star ratings from someone. That's your right and privilege. Maybe you'll warn off other readers who hate pedantic language or green socks. Go for it.

But some of the writers for this event are putting their work in the public eye for the very first time. We ask them to do this. As Group members, we coax, and encourage, and tell them how much fun it will be. We push them to expose their creative baby to the world even if they're feeling a little unsure. And they do.

People who have never written a short story before work for a month and a half, and then tentatively, anxiously, and with tender pride, present the result to us. For free.

And some reviewers are writing reviews with one star, or exclamations points and bold letters about how wrong/bad/not to their taste the story was. I'm a pro and these would be painful for me, but they'd be part of the deal. For these new writers it seems unfair.

I'm not asking you to lie and say a story you didn't like was wonderful. I'm definitely not asking you to perjure yourself or misrepresent your tastes. All I'm asking for is a little kindness towards the amateurs and first-timers who are giving you the gift of their efforts.

Before you rate a story you didn't like, go look at the author page. If this is the only story listed, if the author has never charged anyone for their writing, be kind. If you hate the story, do you really even need to write that review? No one is losing money buying these. If someone else is going to hate it too, they'll know soon enough. If that review is going to be all about the story's failings, maybe you can just mark it as "read" and move on.

If you're determined to write your analysis of a story and it's not favorable, be polite. Don't highlight and underline it. If you can, round your stars up and not down. Find something, anything, that you did like to mention. These new writers spent many, many hours of effort, sweat and emotion in the creation of their story. (If you think that's an exaggeration, you go write one and see how demanding that first effort can be.) Perhaps in your eyes they failed. But give them some leeway and courtesy for the effort. It was a gift to you. You don't have to like it, but don't throw it back in the giver's face.

Please keep it generous, keep it kind, so I can feel truthful next year when I say to a newbie, "Try it. It's a lot of fun."
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Published on May 29, 2012 07:14
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message 51: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Alicia wrote: "Mostly, I thought people didn't exemplify the traits they were meant to. (Maybe that was the point, but it annoyed the stuffing out of me either way.)"

I could see that. The lack of world building annoyed me the most. How did the apocalypse happen? Who started the five-factions crap deal? What happened to the rest of the world?

On Tris: once she got trigger-happy, I liked her.


message 52: by Kaje (last edited May 29, 2012 04:37PM) (new)

Kaje Harper Lori K wrote: "We don't need to coddle them like they are in kindergarten and just polished off their first set of ABCs. ..."

Fair enough.

My feeling was that readers had perhaps not thought about this event and who some of the writers were, or how the game was set up. There were unusual and specific prompts, there were tight deadlines, there were amateur editors... My hope was that by pointing this out, some people who were inclined to do so would be moved to kindness.

Because I am guilty of encouraging people to try this out, and telling them based on last year that reviews would tend to be kind and take their good intentions and the limitations of the event into account, I feel guilty over the harshness I'm seeing right out of the box this year. You are under no obligation to agree with me. And I certainly have no desire to make anyone ease off my or any other professional author's work.


message 53: by Taylor (new)

Taylor Donovan Personally, what I keep in mind while reading free fiction is the fact that the stories go live without the benefit of being content-edited by a professional. That's a super important part of the writing process, and something aspiring authors or writers participating in the event don't have access to. Do I give free passes? Not really, but I do tend to be more understanding and think in terms of "an editor could've helped and/or make this beautiful wonderful". But I usually don't review though, so whatever I think of a story is for my knowledge only.

As far as the reviewing process, writers need to grow a pair. As simple as that. Our stories are not going to be everybody's cup of tea. What one readers find awesome could and most likely will ruin the reading experience for somebody else. We just have to do our best so that we can be proud of the product we present to the readers. That's it.

Those are my two cents. Apologies for the typos. Autocorrect sucks.


message 54: by Experiment BL626 (last edited May 29, 2012 04:36PM) (new)

Experiment BL626 Lori K wrote: "BUT, I am completely tired of authors telling me how to behave."

To be fair, it's not just authors, it's really users in general. In the official GoodReads Feedback group, there have been users complaining why don't people rate a certain way, review a certain way or don't review at all, or why people have more than 100 friends, etc. etc. =(


message 55: by Lori K (new)

Lori K I swear, it never ends with the authors bitching about reviews, stars, comments, readers...3 stars ins't enough, you didn't tell me Whhyyy, teach me how to wriiiite....give me constructive criticism. This is what I say to that. Go back to college and pay someone to teach you how to write. Don't excpect me to pay for your book, then tell you how it failed and how you can do better next time.

Sorry, Kaje. Your post just came at a really bad time. You seem like a really nice person.


message 56: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Taylor wrote: "Autocorrect sucks. "

...I'm sorry, I just have to share this:



message 57: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Experiment BL626 wrote: "Taylor wrote: "Autocorrect sucks. "

...I'm sorry, I just have to share this:
"


LOL - thank you.


message 58: by Kaje (last edited May 29, 2012 04:53PM) (new)

Kaje Harper Lori K wrote: "I swear, it never ends with the authors bitching about reviews, stars, comments, readers...3 stars ins't enough, you didn't tell me Whhyyy, teach me how to wriiiite....give me constructive criticis..."

I'm sorry I caught you at the wrong moment. I hope the next book you read is so good it blows you away and restores a little of your faith in us, or at least makes up for some of the behavior.


message 59: by Dani (new)

Dani Alexander Kaje wrote: "LI'm sorry I caught you at the wrong moment. I hope the next book you read is so good it blows you away and restores a little of your faith in us. "

And has people blown away.
Or at least has people blown.


message 60: by Taylor (new)

Taylor Donovan Experiment BL626 wrote: "Taylor wrote: "Autocorrect sucks. "

...I'm sorry, I just have to share this:
"


Nice one! LOL


message 61: by Lori K (new)

Lori K Dani wrote: "Or at least has people blown. .."

LOL!


message 62: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Dani wrote: "Kaje wrote: "LI'm sorry I caught you at the wrong moment. I hope the next book you read is so good it blows you away and restores a little of your faith in us. "

And has people blown away.
Or at least has people blown. ..."


I can do that last bit!


message 63: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Dani wrote: "And has people blown away.
Or at least has people blown."


You and your dick jokes. Kaje, Dani did it again!


message 64: by Dani (new)

Dani Alexander Kaje wrote: "I can do that last bit! "

Wow, Kaje, so much TMI in that statement =P.


message 65: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Experiment BL626 wrote: "Dani wrote: "And has people blown away.
Or at least has people blown."

You and your dick jokes. Kaje, Dani did it again! "


I noticed - having just finished 46K with blowjobs included, it kind of, um, sprang to my attention.


message 66: by Dani (new)

Dani Alexander Experiment BL626 wrote: "Dani wrote: "And has people blown away.
Or at least has people blown."

You and your dick jokes. Kaje, Dani did it again! "


BL, I WILL WIN YOU OVER WITH DICK JOKES, JUVENILE HUMOR AND NAKED PICTURES!


message 67: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Sex question time! Do one still call it a blowjob if you do it to a va-jay-jay? I've been wondering about this...


message 68: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Dani wrote: "Kaje wrote: "I can do that last bit! "

Wow, Kaje, so much TMI in that statement =P."


Aargh - well, I did mean I could write that book. The other may be true but it might just be innuendo in the eye of the beholder.


message 69: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Experiment BL626 wrote: "Sex question time! Do one still call it a blowjob if you do it to a va-jay-jay? I've been wondering about this..."

Cunnilingus is the technical term; common terms anyone?


message 70: by Jess (new)

Jess Candela Dani wrote: "Kaje wrote: "I can do that last bit! "

Wow, Kaje, so much TMI in that statement =P."


Dani, is there really ever such a thing as TM with the I when it comes to blowjobs? ;)


message 71: by Kaje (last edited May 29, 2012 05:05PM) (new)

Kaje Harper Kaje wrote: "Experiment BL626 wrote: "Sex question time! Do one still call it a blowjob if you do it to a va-jay-jay? I've been wondering about this..."

Cunnilingus is the technical term; common terms anyone?"


If you can bring yourselves to mention such on a M/M blog. (I'm not genderist myself - sex and love in all forms = good stuff.)


message 72: by Jess (new)

Jess Candela Experiment BL626 wrote: "Sex question time! Do one still call it a blowjob if you do it to a va-jay-jay? I've been wondering about this..."

I've more commonly heard it referred to as "eating her out" or "dining at the Y" or any of a number of other such euphemisms. My impression is that for it to be a "blowjob" it must involve a penis.


message 73: by Jess (new)

Jess Candela Dani wrote: "BL, I WILL WIN YOU OVER WITH DICK JOKES, JUVENILE HUMOR AND NAKED PICTURES!"

Well, you'll win me over that way anyway! That and I loved your first book and am eagerly awaiting the second.

Also, I'm very much enjoying the direction in which this discussion has derailed! :D


message 74: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Dani wrote: "BL, I WILL WIN YOU OVER WITH DICK JOKES, JUVENILE HUMOR AND NAKED PICTURES!"

BANANA!


message 75: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper jeayci wrote: "Dani wrote: "BL, I WILL WIN YOU OVER WITH DICK JOKES, JUVENILE HUMOR AND NAKED PICTURES!"

Well, you'll win me over that way anyway! That and I loved your first book and am eagerly awaiting the sec..."


"I leave the track for blowjobs"


message 76: by Isa (new)

Isa K. jeayci wrote: "Dani wrote: "BL, I WILL WIN YOU OVER WITH DICK JOKES, JUVENILE HUMOR AND NAKED PICTURES!"

Well, you'll win me over that way anyway! That and I loved your first book and am eagerly awaiting the sec..."


Wait a minute, no one told me this was going to turn into ANOTHER Dani appreciation thread!! Bring back the flames!! I'm angry. Really! Someone pay attention to my RAAAGGGGEE


message 77: by Jess (new)

Jess Candela *hands Isa a pitchfork*

*goes to pop some corn*


message 78: by Dani (new)

Dani Alexander Experiment BL626 wrote: "Sex question time! Do one still call it a blowjob if you do it to a va-jay-jay? I've been wondering about this..."

Kaje wrote: "
Cunnilingus is the technical term; common terms anyone?"


The answer to both your questions can be found here: http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictiona...

(on a side note, I probably know way too many sites like that one...)

jeayci wrote: "Dani, is there really ever such a thing as TM with the I when it comes to blowjobs? ;)"

Good point! And the answer is, no!

Kaje wrote: "Aargh - well, I did mean I could write that book. The other may be true but it might just be inn..."

My innuendo button is broken. I only see overt advertising of your bj skills!

Let the courting begin!



message 79: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 jeayci wrote: "My impression is that for it to be a "blowjob" it must involve a penis."

Perhaps I'm being too literal. But one cannot blow a penis, one suck on it in a rhythmic movement. Why don't they call it a suckjob? Then the term can be used for both sexes. Amirite?


message 80: by Dani (new)

Dani Alexander Isa wrote: "jeayci wrote: "Dani wrote: "BL, I WILL WIN YOU OVER WITH DICK JOKES, JUVENILE HUMOR AND NAKED PICTURES!"

Well, you'll win me over that way anyway! That and I loved your first book and am eagerly a..."


!! There are DANI APPRECIATION THREADS?? Where? oO


message 81: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Dani wrote: "Kaje wrote: "Aargh - well, I did mean I could write that book. The other may be true but it might just be inn..."

My innuendo button is broken. I only see overt advertising of your bj skills!"


OMG, Kaje. When did you resort to prostitution for a financial solution?


message 82: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 jeayci wrote: "*hands Isa a pitchfork*

*goes to pop some corn*"


*take pitchfork, subsitutes with a vibrator*

Go enjoy yourself, Isa.


message 83: by Jess (new)

Jess Candela Experiment BL626 wrote: "jeayci wrote: "My impression is that for it to be a "blowjob" it must involve a penis."

Perhaps I'm being too literal. But one cannot blow a penis, one suck on it in a rhythmic movement. Why don't..."


I don't disagree with you! I've always kinda wondered about the term 'blowjob' myself, since little actual blowing is usually involved. And now I'm giggling at what I imagine a man's reaction might be if I just blew him! LOL

I think "going down" is the most common term I've heard used regardless of equipment. Which does make some sense, assuming you're over 3' tall.


message 84: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Experiment BL626 wrote: "OMG, Kaje. When did you resort to prostitution for a financial solution? ..."

I'll have you know I have a very limited and select clientèle - a husband actually; so I guess this was false advertising. Promotion and finances are not my strong point ;)


message 85: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Dani wrote: "The answer to both your questions can be found here: http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictiona..."



Wow, far out common terms for cunnilingus.

bite-the-dog-end = that sounds painful
tongue-sushi = huh?
whistling-in-the-dark= isn't that a M/M book?
playing-in-the-sandbox = sandbox is where cats make a dump
yodeling-up-the-valley = is this slut-shaming?


message 86: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Ooh Dani is overly familiar with the sex dictionary - I haven't written anything I couldn't define yet, but it's early days. Thanks for the link.


message 87: by Isa (new)

Isa K. Experiment BL626 wrote: "jeayci wrote: "*hands Isa a pitchfork*

*goes to pop some corn*"

*take pitchfork, subsitutes with a vibrator*

Go enjoy yourself, Isa. "


True Fact: Vibrators don't work on me. All the fun parts go completely numb when exposed to vibration. A friend once insisted I try The Rabbit and bought me one for my birthday (yes, I have those kinds of friends) it took me TWO HOURS to have the most unsatisfying orgasm of my life. ^__^

And Dani.... every thread you show up in turns into a Dani appreciation thread. I swear to God if you took a piss off the side of the road wild flowers would grow up ala a Tim Burton movie. Stop it, stop being so awesome, it's annoying XD


message 88: by Kaje (last edited May 29, 2012 05:26PM) (new)

Kaje Harper Experiment BL626 wrote: "yodeling-up-the-valley
..."


OMG, love that. You think I could use it to describe a rim job?


message 89: by [deleted user] (new)

LOL Dani. Successfully using sex to deflect the conversation AGAIN!!!!! <----p.s. I borrowed those from you.


message 90: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Kate wrote: "LOL Dani. Successfully using sex to deflect the conversation AGAIN!!!!! <----p.s. I borrowed those from you."

Sex has many wonderful uses.


message 91: by Dani (new)

Dani Alexander Isa wrote: "True Fact: Vibrators don't work on me. All the fun parts go completely numb when exposed to vibration. A friend once insisted I try The Rabbit and bought me one for my birthday (yes, I have those kinds of friends) it took me TWO HOURS to have the most unsatisfying orgasm of my life."

I can't help but wonder if you're doing it wrong!

Isa wrote: "And Dani.... every thread you show up in turns into a Dani appreciation thread. I swear to God if you took a piss off the side of the road wild flowers would grow up ala a Tim Burton movie. Stop it, stop being so awesome, it's annoying XD "

I'm awesomely annoying!

PS: If I did make flowers pop up on the side of the road, THAT would be awesome. I may try that now.

PPS: I always have you to take me down a few pegs, if you're so inclined =D.

Kaje wrote: "Ooh Dani is overly familiar with the sex dictionary - I haven't written anything I couldn't define yet, but it's early days. Thanks for the link."

Welcome! BL is enjoying it too. I've spit out coffee more than once because of it.

Another fun link, just in case you weren't sure what positions are what (Like me with :bulldog and butler positions...wtf?): NSFW and has M/F STUFF (view spoiler)


message 92: by Dani (new)

Dani Alexander Kaje wrote: "Kate wrote: "LOL Dani. Successfully using sex to deflect the conversation AGAIN!!!!!

Sex has many wonderful uses."


I KNOW, right? It fights controversy better than the UN!

Kate wrote: "LOL Dani. Successfully using sex to deflect the conversation AGAIN!!!!! <----p.s. I borrowed those from you."

You used all the ! up now =( I can't make a point without them.


message 93: by Penny (new)

Penny Wilder Hmmm. I have mixed feelings on this one because my first story will be posted as part of the LiAW event. Here's the thing, I want people to be honest, because I'd like to learn from this, and do it better if I decide to do this again. Do I hope that people won't be complete dicks about it? Of course. Do I actually have any control over that? Nope.

Do I hope people will like the story? Yeah. Do I expect everyone to? No.

So what am I saying here? Say what you have to say, just don't be a dick about it.


message 94: by Kaje (last edited May 29, 2012 07:22PM) (new)

Kaje Harper Penny wrote: "Hmmm. I have mixed feelings on this one because my first story will be posted as part of the LiAW event. Here's the thing, I want people to be honest, because I'd like to learn from this, and do it..."

Good luck - I hope people love it. And yes you will get some who don't, and if you are fortunate they will mostly mention issues with it you can fix next time (I learned a lot from my early bad reviews.) And sometimes they will just use their perfect right to say they didn't like it. And you'll survive that.

I wish you honest reviews, clearly expressed, with a leavening of kindness.

And I appreciate that everyone who came on here has kept the discussion civil (well, maybe not Dani but his version of not civil is just due to the fact that guys think sex fixes everything ;)


message 95: by Hal (new)

Hal Evergreen I rate everything I read because I want to record my impressions. That's what I use Goodreads for more than anything - a journal of my thoughts about what I've read. I don't want to record a false impression by giving a story more stars than I think it deserves. Moreover, I don't think it does budding authors any favors to give them immoderate praise for mediocre writing. Constructive criticism, while painful, is a good thing.


message 96: by Isa (new)

Isa K. Dani wrote: "I can't help but wonder if you're doing it wrong!"

Neurological condition ^.^ Vibration is like white noise to me I guess. But that's okay. Vibrators are for uncreative people *lol*


message 97: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Isa wrote: "Dani wrote: "I can't help but wonder if you're doing it wrong!"

Neurological condition ^.^ Vibration is like white noise to me I guess. But that's okay. Vibrators are for uncreative people *lol*"


Ooh, not opening that ball of wax here. Nope.


message 98: by Isa (new)

Isa K. Kaje wrote: "Ooh, not opening that ball of wax here. Nope."

And why not? It looks like you and I have single handily set off more butt-hurt through the m/m community than a love interest in a Rachel Haimowitz book. *lol* Let's not hold back now :D


message 99: by Dani (new)

Dani Alexander "Isa wrote: "Neurological condition ^.^ Vibration is like white noise to me I guess. But that's okay. Vibrators are for uncreative pe..."

*mmprph mmprph*
I'll have more to say once ive had surgery to remove this foot from my mouth.


message 100: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper Isa wrote: "Kaje wrote: "Ooh, not opening that ball of wax here. Nope."

And why not?..."


The answer would be seriously TMI; plus it's my bedtime ;)


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