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Love to read about your gardening. Your front garden must have been crowded with workers to get all that done in one day!
Have fun working outside Aleks! Winter's not done for me, just got 6 inches of snow overnight and it's still falling :( As for the plagiarism, it's a very sad situation all around.
I agree Christina, it's just sad.I can't see why they are doing it, with blogs etc. everything comes out sooner or later.
Alexandr wrote: "There's a long article about the fall-out from the Assassin of Secrets blow-up"http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/20...
"The Plagiarist's Tale" in New Yorker magazine.
I read that a couple of weeks ago. Is that the article you were looking for?
WF -No, but that article brought me to my original source, thank you!http://www.thefix.com/content/confess...
I'm so glad you addressed the issue of quality and in so many better words than I. It's been a stick in my craw for a while. I see such beautiful stories and such potential in our corner of the world, and I feel a lot of it is squandered an overlooked and bypassed.Oh blah. This is why I don't edit. I just wrote an 800 word response and deleted it.
The basic premise: Yeah, what you said, Aleks. We, as a genre of gay fiction, need to do better on the whole.
I think the more we have the quality discussion, the better we'll do. We might also need more coaching, more "how to" books, more workshops and less big ugly egoes that are all "who the fuck cares? I GOT PUBLISHED!" or types that go "who cares - it's ONLY ROMANCE!"I want to punch these people. Hard. Take some pride in your work, because it will live longer than you and be the main thing that people will remember you by or get to know you by. For m,any people out there, that fiction IS the author.
Gardening is cool ;)I was inspired to hop over to the link you left. I've not read BOATK but I own a eCopy. (TBR file) I was going to read it in March. (Oh, it's March.) I HAVE seen Shelter and love that flick in fact. (Trevor Wright, oh yeah!) But now I will have to see what I think. I know sometimes plots come out of my head and with all the movies and books out there I always wonder if "it's been told before"? My stuff is "autobiographical" in sooo many ways, yet as I talk to people, there are some who have had some similar experiences. How can you know?
But all the stuff you say about plagiarism is interesting! Thank you for your thoughts :)
Oh, definitely - it's one of the reasons why I stay away from fiction set in whatever setting/world/time I'm writing in (I do read a lot of non-fiction, diaries and contemporary sources), and only read/watch the others after I'm done (I finished Dark Soul and went on a mafia movie binge). This can happen, but I think it's a good litmus test to ask yourself "where is the inspiration behind this".For example, I was aware that "Scorpion" owes some inspiration to Glen Cook's Black Company - the mood, above all, but they are totally different books (I re-read the first few and, yes, totally different, but I did make sure). It's part of making yourself aware what you're doing - the Muse can be murky, but you can explore it, like, sometimes, you only understand the "moral" or the "theme" of your novel after the fact or when people start to comment on it (but then, I'm a total pantser and HAVE to mistrust myself and my sources and make myself very aware where my inspiration was).
Aleksandr wrote: "I want to punch these people. Hard. Take some pride in your work, because it will live longer than you and be the main thing that people will remember you by or get to know you by. For many people out there, that fiction IS the author. "I'll hold while you punch. I'll help for different reasons though, as a reader there's really nothing more disrespectful to hear than "oh who cares, it's only romance".
Aleksandr wrote: "I think the more we have the quality discussion, the better we'll do. We might also need more coaching, more "how to" books, more workshops and less big ugly egoes that are all "who the fuck cares?..."Yes, it's only romance, but romance is epic. Almost everyone knows the name "Nora Roberts". I can't think of one m/m author who everyone recognizes their name outside our niche. (No, I don't count Suzanne Brockman, she writes het and dabbles in m/m). Damon Suede comes to mind, but how widespread outside of GR is he known? We should be front and center. At the very least, one of our authors should be out there, publicly known, landing on NYT best seller list. Or hell, landing on Amazon's top 20 list.
And we damn well shouldn't be excluded from contests. Because next the pretense will be that our content doesn't match up to the quality. That's how they'll couch their prejudice. We have to be better. That's always the way of the minority.
Eep. I'm soapboxing. blah. *flees*
If I'd be writing microwave manuals, I'd still do the damned best job I can. It's absolutely a matter of honor and respect.
Aleksandr wrote: "This can happen, but I think it's a good litmus test to ask yourself "where is the inspiration behind this"."I guess it's a good thing that I don't normally read when I write, and all my characters so far are aspects of my own personality taking a "human" form. (Albeit in print.) I write my own experiences. Tragically. I would hope no one could say, "That happened to me!" verbatim because that would not only be ironic but so so sad. I want no one to go through things I have, or things I've witnessed. I write FICTION but it's based in my non-fiction life.
And Aiko.... Yeah, How dare they say ONLY ROMANCE! pft!
Wade - As Hemingway said: "We are all bitched from the start and you especially have to be hurt like hell before you can write seriously. But when you get the damned hurt use it — don't cheat with it. Be as faithful to it as a scientist."(I'm not a fan of his, but I've learned this quote by heart)
Aleksandr wrote: "If I'd be writing microwave manuals, I'd still do the damned best job I can. It's absolutely a matter of honor and respect."Yeah, I wouldn't write microwave manuals because I'd be asleep in ten minutes =D. Not sure I could ever give that my best writing. But maybe that's the subject some are overlooking? Perhaps the problem is lack of passion for the subject? Maybe some are cashing in on trends instead of writing what most fills their heart?
Hemingway has some good quotes, even if you don't particularly like his writing *raises hand*. I think of you when I see this one:
“There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed.”
although this is good too:
“Write drunk; edit sober.”
Or perhaps this should be sent to those authors who think they should be able to write unedited:
“The first draft of anything is shit.”
Okay, okay, I'll stop. Are you going to post pictures of your yard when you've finished? I hope the monster vine was one of the things that went to plant heaven.
“There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed.”
although this is good too:
“Write drunk; edit sober.”
Or perhaps this should be sent to those authors who think they should be able to write unedited:
“The first draft of anything is shit.”
Okay, okay, I'll stop. Are you going to post pictures of your yard when you've finished? I hope the monster vine was one of the things that went to plant heaven.
Aleksandr wrote: "Wade - As Hemingway said: "We are all bitched from the start and you especially have to be hurt like hell before you can write seriously. But when you get the damned hurt use it — don't cheat with ..."It's a good quote! And I PLAN TO! WLINE was the pain I FELT, no one else's!
I tried to stay a bit distanced from the whole debate, and I don't know if in this case there was plagiarism or not, but on the whole, I agree with every word you wrote. If you steal something, even if no one finds out, you know you have, and you have to live with it. Good luck with that. I just hope people can learn from their errors. (Again, no idea if this is the case or not, this is my general opinion on the matter).As for the garden, I'm glad is coming out as you planned. :) You could probably put some rose trellis in the front of the house if it looks a bit empty now. With the climate you have those should be perfect. I love the idea of the Camelia tree as well. White, red or the mixed variety?
Aleksandr wrote: "We might also need more coaching, more "how to" books, more workshops and less big ugly egoes that are all "who the fuck cares?..."I couldn't agree more! This is one of the reasons that my favorite part of attending conventions is sitting on the writers panels. Seeing so many aspiring authors attend the panels and how excited (and hungry!) they are to learn is awesome. Still, I think that is the minority, not the majority, since many writers do not attend a lot of conventions.
I also never turn down an invite to the Indie Author How-To web radio show. What my friend Lakisha Spletzer is doing in trying to educate inspiring authors is wonderful. It's a shame that there are not more authors who "pay it forward."
Is it bad that my favorite part of this post was the "beserker plants" that were killing all of the other plants?



The garden stuff sounds great too. Have fun with it!