This Author Bought a Flow Hive: What Happened Next Will Amaze You!
Have you guys seen that Flow Hive thing? The cool-looking beehive where you just turn the spigot and honey comes out?
I saw it, and it looked cool, and so I thought to myself that it might be cool to have a hive of bees. My own honey. Plus I get to support a cool innovation. SCIENCE!
And so I jumped on it. Why the fuck not, right? I have some disposable income. Plus, wouldn’t that be a fun project to do with Oot? Look at bees? Learn about the natural world? Father-son bonding?
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Sep 14, 2016 12:26AM
So... when's the third book going to be released?
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It's already out, but only patient people can see it.
If he added a day for every person who asked, probably in the year 3000.
Jonathan wrote: "It's already out, but only patient people can see it."Shhh! You're giving the secret of the invisible books away!
Chelle wrote: "If he added a day for every person who asked, probably in the year 3000."Also possibly accurate. Maybe he and Jim Butcher have entered into a pact of nonpublishing together or something... ;-)
Butcher publishes at a fairly fast pace.....Not that it really matters. We'll get book 3 or we won't. Not our call.
So can we all get free honey samples if we preorder your next book??? and seriously though, when is it coming out!
Wow guys, way to prove your worth. Makes me sad to know that I share an interest in books with you people. Pat, thank you for sharing your life with us. Honey is totally delicious and you should still give it a try with the FlowHive if it's the only way you'll get to do it. I've done it myself and it's a really awesome experience.
Rothfuss, in the preface/dedication to WMF (paraphrasing here): "And thank you to my readers, who made it clear they were willing to wait a while if it meant making this book the best it could possibly be."
Readers: "Fuck you! We want it now!"
The whole lot of you sound like a gaggle of squawking toddlers. "Gimme! Now! Intensely emotional, yet sprawlingly epic storytelling, channeled through some of the best, most complex and finely tuned characters in literary history! Worldbuilding! Plots! Subtlety! Write, damn you, else what good are you?"
(Some toddlers, by the way, can have surprising clarity to their speech. Not all, but some.)
Readers: "Fuck you! We want it now!"
The whole lot of you sound like a gaggle of squawking toddlers. "Gimme! Now! Intensely emotional, yet sprawlingly epic storytelling, channeled through some of the best, most complex and finely tuned characters in literary history! Worldbuilding! Plots! Subtlety! Write, damn you, else what good are you?"
(Some toddlers, by the way, can have surprising clarity to their speech. Not all, but some.)
It isn't The Critique Of Pure Reason that he is writing. In 9 months you can make a baby. In 4 years you can have your child tell you a story.
I know tone doesn't always come across over the internet, and what I meant by my comment is that we'd deserve it if he DID do that. Really, guys, if he woke up tomorrow and decided he doesn't want to put the book out there at all, that's his right. I'd be sad about it of course, but harassing a guy who already gave us two great books for more? Really?There are thousands of books out there, many of which are as detailed and wonderful as The Name of the Wind. You'll be okay for reading material no matter how long Mr Rothfuss takes to finish the third book. Let the man live his life - whatever time of it he spends concocting such fabulous stories for us is a gift and not something we have a right to.
Nikhil wrote: "It isn't The Critique Of Pure Reason that he is writing. In 9 months you can make a baby. In 4 years you can have your child tell you a story."
What? This doesn't make any . . .
Oh, I get it.
Immanuel Kant isn't interesting.
What? This doesn't make any . . .
Oh, I get it.
Immanuel Kant isn't interesting.
Do not attempt to express indignation on the author's behalf. You may have summoned an imaginary moral pedestal for yourself, however, hypocrisy only takes away the little force that your outrage could have possessed.
Nikhil wrote: "Do not attempt to express indignation on the author's behalf. You may have summoned an imaginary moral pedestal for yourself, however, hypocrisy only takes away the little force that your outrage c..."
I'm going to assume you're referring to me, though this particular comment is equally nonsensical directed toward anyone in this thread. Let's break it apart, shall we?
"Do not attempt to express indignation on the author's behalf." Indignation toward what? Nagging? And 'on the author's behalf'? Nothing I've said has been me superimposing my feelings on Pat Rothfuss's or vice versa.
"You may have summoned an imaginary moral pedestal for yourself . . ." Imaginary moral pedestal? Dude, nobody here is talking morality. We're debating (if I can even use that word here) whether or not it's justifiable to spend years in between books. Derive inherent moral implications from that question if you want, but no one else here is taking a moral stance on anything.
". . . however, hypocrisy only takes away the little force that your outrage could have possessed." WTF? Hypocrisy?
hy-poc-ri-sy
[hi-pok-ruh-see] noun, plural hypocrisies. A pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
Again, what? Nowhere in this thread have I or anyone else said something from some high moral ground, then contradicted it. (Oh, I get it. You're taking the position of lecturing the rest of us about what we can and cannot say. No wonder you expect us to have the vocabularies of small children, and therefore not notice when you completely misuse common words.)
And outrage? What outrage? I'm just mildly pissed, and only at this comment, which wasn't here to be outraged about before this.
Please reply, sir. I want to see where this thing goes.
You know what? I have work to do, and I'm expending way too much energy on this thread.
I'm going to assume you're referring to me, though this particular comment is equally nonsensical directed toward anyone in this thread. Let's break it apart, shall we?
"Do not attempt to express indignation on the author's behalf." Indignation toward what? Nagging? And 'on the author's behalf'? Nothing I've said has been me superimposing my feelings on Pat Rothfuss's or vice versa.
"You may have summoned an imaginary moral pedestal for yourself . . ." Imaginary moral pedestal? Dude, nobody here is talking morality. We're debating (if I can even use that word here) whether or not it's justifiable to spend years in between books. Derive inherent moral implications from that question if you want, but no one else here is taking a moral stance on anything.
". . . however, hypocrisy only takes away the little force that your outrage could have possessed." WTF? Hypocrisy?
hy-poc-ri-sy
[hi-pok-ruh-see] noun, plural hypocrisies. A pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
Again, what? Nowhere in this thread have I or anyone else said something from some high moral ground, then contradicted it. (Oh, I get it. You're taking the position of lecturing the rest of us about what we can and cannot say. No wonder you expect us to have the vocabularies of small children, and therefore not notice when you completely misuse common words.)
And outrage? What outrage? I'm just mildly pissed, and only at this comment, which wasn't here to be outraged about before this.
Please reply, sir. I want to see where this thing goes.
You know what? I have work to do, and I'm expending way too much energy on this thread.
What I find really funny, are the people who chastise other people who ask about book 3, and are sucking up to Pat, but inside they are screaming to know anything new about book 3 :D
Stefan wrote: "What I find really funny, are the people who chastise other people who ask about book 3, and are sucking up to Pat, but inside they are screaming to know anything new about book 3 :D"
Yeah ... guilty. But I agree with Chelle up there, there's a ton of stuff out there that's really, really good (I'm reading the Stormlight Archive right now). However, I don't think anybody's actually sucking up to Pat. What good would that do? It's not like he's giving us free stuff.
This is one of those threads where I commented on the fly, and then got way too invested in a conversation really going nowhere. I feel kinda stupid, to be honest. Not that I take back whatever it was I said (I don't feel like looking =P). I love these books, and if Pat wants to take another ten years to make Doors of Stone as good as the first two (and a half), I'd happily wait.
Yeah ... guilty. But I agree with Chelle up there, there's a ton of stuff out there that's really, really good (I'm reading the Stormlight Archive right now). However, I don't think anybody's actually sucking up to Pat. What good would that do? It's not like he's giving us free stuff.
This is one of those threads where I commented on the fly, and then got way too invested in a conversation really going nowhere. I feel kinda stupid, to be honest. Not that I take back whatever it was I said (I don't feel like looking =P). I love these books, and if Pat wants to take another ten years to make Doors of Stone as good as the first two (and a half), I'd happily wait.
And I need to stop checking these email threads. I always end up writing an essay. (insert stupid emoticon of choice)
Shame the flow hive didn't work out. God for you taking a shot at it and then letting the rest of us know its a dud.
Nikhil wrote: "So... when's the third book going to be released?"Give the guy a break. It comes when it comes.
I must say the picture of the Flow Hive would have put me off, looks too 'automated' that's never good when dealing with live creatures. I have a friend who keeps bees, seems to be fairly labour intensive if done right.
The article posted in the blog was crazy informative (I know next to nothing about bee keeping) and I'm glad that you found out the negative effects of this thingy before you started using it. Too bad you already bought it.... Bet you could still do bee keeping the regular way somehow with it or repurpose it in a completely different way though!And what's with all these people at each other's throats, good grief
Pat does a lot of great and noble stuff with WorldBuilders and other work. But as someone who had to read the final WoT book NOT by the author of the rest, and who is waiting for GRRM to catch up to the TV show, and who is waiting for Pat to write book 3, while I admire all of the charity work Pat does, I will selfishly admit that reading about all of the other stuff he does while NOT WRITING BOOK 3 drives me nuts.
I had not intended to raise an army against Rothfuss with my comment, neither was I trying to hurt the delicate sentimentality of his fan-base. I simply asked a question, thinking it would be humorous if I caught him off-guard-- although a bit of research tells me that others have already exhausted all such possibilities.Some of you seem to have crawled out of Plato's Cave seemingly blinded by a couple of comments that are rude at worst. People have demonstrated more composure after being shot at.
I would reconsider giving up the Flow Hive based on an article of a beekeeper that was written before the Hive was even released. Admittedly, I know very little of bees, but I do know that people are getting about 5 gallons of harvest, as the author's picture claims isn't possible, and that makes me question which of his other claims are rubbish. I also know that beekeepers are able to view the waxed caps and determine when the honey is ready to harvest. New beekeepers & established keepers are having success with it.
Nikhil:
Look, can the two of us just shake hands or something? I'll admit I went off on you, but (and I really hope this doesn't start the whole thing over again) I get really irritated when people do exactly what you accused the rest of us of doing -- of "summoning an imaginary moral pedestal" and throwing rocks down at the crowd. Or when they reference Kant, thumb through a thesaurus, and post a self-righteous blurb thinking it's a substitute for an argument.
Dammit, I probably shouldn't have done it, but I did. I just wanted to boil this down to the basic jist of why I think this stupid post escalated like this. And you *probably* didn't even mean it like that; tone really doesn't come across online.
If we can't agree to disagree . . . can we at least agree that nobody else on this thread gives a fuck?
Look, can the two of us just shake hands or something? I'll admit I went off on you, but (and I really hope this doesn't start the whole thing over again) I get really irritated when people do exactly what you accused the rest of us of doing -- of "summoning an imaginary moral pedestal" and throwing rocks down at the crowd. Or when they reference Kant, thumb through a thesaurus, and post a self-righteous blurb thinking it's a substitute for an argument.
Dammit, I probably shouldn't have done it, but I did. I just wanted to boil this down to the basic jist of why I think this stupid post escalated like this. And you *probably* didn't even mean it like that; tone really doesn't come across online.
If we can't agree to disagree . . . can we at least agree that nobody else on this thread gives a fuck?
From the way people keep quoting me in their replies, I'm quite sure they do give a fuck. My last comment had nothing to do with you. Not sure what you're trying to sell me here.
For the sake of curiosity, then, which reader(s) crawled out of Plato's cave?
My dog just ate half of the book I was reading, I'm not in a good mood. You should stop this childishness.
You haven't even seen childish yet.
Childish is spamming your inbox
Childish is getting into a flame war on Goodreads, of all places.
Childish is screaming at people from your ivory tower, then getting mad when they call you out on your bullshit. Childish is posting smaller and smaller rebuttals as you consistently run out of intelligent things to say. (Ooh! Watch this -- I can quote Plato too! “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”) Childish is lashing out at somebody, then saying, "Go awaaaay!" when they come back at you.
The worst part is, the two of went and ruined the comments section of a perfectly good blog post. (My bad, Pat. My bad.) If I could force-feed my id a Valium or two, I'd probably chill out enough to regret it.
Childish is screaming at people from your ivory tower, then getting mad when they call you out on your bullshit. Childish is posting smaller and smaller rebuttals as you consistently run out of intelligent things to say. (Ooh! Watch this -- I can quote Plato too! “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”) Childish is lashing out at somebody, then saying, "Go awaaaay!" when they come back at you.
The worst part is, the two of went and ruined the comments section of a perfectly good blog post. (My bad, Pat. My bad.) If I could force-feed my id a Valium or two, I'd probably chill out enough to regret it.
Heh. Ouch. Nice. Finally.
I'll go away now.
I'll go away now.
So I did not even make it through all these comments. Though I got through enough to know that many don't go on to read the rest o the blog on Pat`s sight or then ................ continue on to the Q and A section where he answers most all of these questions and more.......................Or went to the link he provided on his blog about podcast and ................. Listened long enough (which was easy cause the guys were Funny) to the interview he provided. Because then ............... you would know that Pat is not only an awsome writer and humanitarian but he is one of the worlds greatest Dads................. in the mean time ever heard of Brandon Sanderson oh he was mentioned in the interview too each to there own. Both excellent writers, along with at least oh lets say another 100 people living or dead. Really!!!!!!!!!! You know there is a lot of unread material new and old. And while I just finished "Flight " by Sherman Alexie and waiting for "Firefight" by Brandon Sanderson to come available in the Library, Kindle or Hard Back, today I checked out "The Secret Life of Bees" by Sue Monk Kidd (crazy to come home and read this related "bee blog" ) plus I have "Revival" by Stephen King waiting in the hhmmmm or on the shelf and that doesn't even include the ones I packed before I moved like "Wild" and some other Sherman Alexie Books and some more Stephen King and a few other newer books and a # of self help and inspirational and Audio books and .................... Don't expect another response I have way to much reading to do especially if I am going to make it through those, what ever else catches my interest, Charles Dickens Complete volume of Christmas Stories By Christmas, and still live life as we know it.
I knew I would regret this. Going back through these posts, I do feel ashamed of myself. Nikhil, and everyone else whose reading of this post I might have cheapened, please accept my apologies. I want to help Goodreads become a place where we can discuss great books, not fight over stupid things.
You know what will amaze me? Your next book coming out.
Josh wrote: "I knew I would regret this. Going back through these posts, I do feel ashamed of myself. Nikhil, and everyone else whose reading of this post I might have cheapened, please accept my apologies. I w..."Don't feel too bad; I had a blast reading this thread. I made popcorn and everything.
Besides, comments like Nikhil's and (oh god not this again) Natalie's tends to make me ridiculously indignant as well. I waited for the second book, and I shall wait valiantly for the third (even if I do check Pat's blog obsessively for news).
