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Sam Cooke: The Ultimate Two-CD Chronological Discography of His Best 55 Songs

(Wally Seawell/Abkco Music and Records)
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Arguably the founder of soul music, and, for my money, possessed of the most incredible male voice (and style and technique) in all of popular music, Sam Cooke (1931-1964) was also a fabulous songwriter. I saw the house where he grew up, in Clarksdale, Mississippi, in my "musical pilgrimage" to the Mississippi Delta in the spring of 2009.

My goal was to put together the very best collection of his songs (29 of them) on one CD (he wrote all but one), and the best songs of the rest of his amazing catalogue on a second CD (he wrote 42 out of the 55 total songs). The dates are from the time of recording and the Billboard pop chart highest position is listed for Top 40 singles. See also my related post, Sam Cooke: The Greatest Singer of All Time: Chronological Discography.



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Very Best of Sam Cooke

1. Touch the Hem of His Garment + [mono] 2-2-56
2. I'll Come Running Back to You + [mono] 8-21-56, #18, x
3. That's All I Need to Know ^[mono] 12-12-56
4. You Send Me + [mono] 6-1-57, #1
5. Only Sixteen + 1-4-59, #28
6. (What a) Wonderful World + [mono] 3-2-59, #12
7. Just For You + [mono] 7-24-59
8. Chain Gang + 1-25-60, #2
9. Sad Mood + 10-1-60, #29
10. Tenderness * 10-1-60
11. Cupid + 4-14-61, #17
12. It's All Right * 8-9-61
13. Twistin' the Night Away + 12-18-61, #9
14. Somebody Have Mercy * 2-15-62
15. Soothe Me * 2-19-62
16. Bring It On Home to Me + [mono] 4-26-62, #13
17. Having a Party + 4-26-62, #17
18. Nothing Can Change This Love + 8-23-62, #12
19. Laughin' and Clownin' * 2-22-63
20. Mean Old World * 2-23-63
21. Another Saturday Night + 2-28-63, #10
22. Love Will Find a Way * 2-28-63
23. That's Where It's At + 8-20-63
24. A Change is Gonna Come + 12-21-63, #31
25. Meet Me At Mary's Place + 1-28-64
26. Rome Wasn't Built in a Day > 1-28-64
27. Good Times + 2-2-64, #11
28. (Somebody) Ease My Troublin' Mind > 4-9-64
29. Shake + 11-16-64, #7

Total Time: 78:32

Album Sources

+ = Portrait of a Legend (1951-1964) [2003, 320 kbps]
* = The Man Who Invented Soul [Box Set, 2000, 320 kbps]
> = Keep Movin' On [2001, 224 kbps (I, #26, II, #26), 192 kbps (I, #28, II, #8, #9, #25)
^ = Sam Cooke With the Soul Stirrers: The Complete Specialty Records Recordings [Box Set, 2002, 192 kbps]

x = not written by Sam Cooke


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Best of Sam Cooke, Vol. 2

1. Lovable + [mono] 12-12-56
2. That's Heaven to Me ^ [mono] 4-19-57
3. Win Your Love For Me + [mono] 6-6-57, #33
4. For Sentimental Reasons + [mono] 8-23-57, x
5. Lets Go Steady Again * 12-58, x
6. With You * [mono] 1958
7. Everybody Loves to Cha Cha Cha + 1-7-59, #31
8. Try a Little Love > 2-59
9. When a Boy Falls in Love > 2-59
10. Teenage Sonata * 1-28-60, x
11. Baby Won't You Please Come Home * 5-19-61, x
12. Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out * 5-19-61, x
13. Trouble in Mind * 5-19-61, x
14. Out in the Cold Again * 5-20-61, x
15. You're Always on My Mind * 5-19-61
16. Frankie and Johnny * 8-9-61, #14, x
17. One More Time * 12-19-61
18. I'm Gonna Forget About You * 8-23-62
19. Cry Me a River * 12-16-62, x
20. These Foolish Things * 12-16-62, x
21. (Don't Fight It) Feel It [Live] * 1-12-63
22. Nothing Can Change This Love [Live] * 1-12-63
23. Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen * 2-23-63, x
24. Ain't That Good News + 12-20-63, #11
25. Keep Movin' On > 12-21-63
26. Falling in Love > 1-30-64, x

Total Time: 74:03


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Lost My Part-Time Job (The Economy Strikes Again); I Need Your Support

December seems to always be the time that these events occur in my life. The stereotypical "hardship before Christmas" thing or something . . . December 1, 2001 was my last day on my old delivery job that I had all through the 90s. The company was going out of business. It was two weeks after my daughter and fourth child was born. I announced it on my website and inquired as to whether folks thought I should enter into apologetics full-time. and were willing to support me in that endeavor. They did (with generous donations), and so I did! It's been exactly nine years now. I had just published my first book on my own. Two years later it was picked up by Sophia Institute Press.

The rest is history. Now I have 23 published books: six with "official" publishers,(Sophia: four, Our Sunday Visitor: one, and Saint Benedict Press / TAN Books: one), and my name is fairly well-known in the Catholic apologetics world and the Christian blogosphere. But it's a small book market and it's very difficult for anyone to live off of Catholic apologetics writing alone, without the supplemental aspects of TV and radio and lecture tours and other talks (maybe Scott Hahn could, but he is a professor anyway and has a stable income). I've managed to do it somehow, by God's ultimate grace and provision, but have needed supplemental part-time work to make it possible at all.

Today, on December 2, 2010, I just found out that I will lose my part-time job as Internet Forum Coordinator and Moderator at The Coming Home Network at the end of the month: one that I have had since November 2007. As with the other loss of employment in 2001, it had nothing whatever to do with my job performance. CHNI, as a non-profit organization (for the purpose of assisting those who wish to enter the Catholic Church: especially clergy) is experiencing a great decrease in donations. They're forced to make difficult cuts (more than just my own job). The economy is affecting all sales. The entire country is reaping the benefits of (without getting political here) the foolish financial and budgetary choices that we have made.

This was my dependable, regular income every other week. It had already been cut by 57% last year. Beyond that, I rely on e-book sales and paperback sales and generous donations from readers like you. Almost all of the royalties from my paperback books come just twice a year. I have a wife and four children to support. They are all home-schooled, and two of them have special needs (one of them being autistic).

I'm trying to make this as brief as I can and am simply telling my story and making the need known. Millions who are suffering due to the bad economy. But I am also (as a missionary of sorts) partially reliant on donations from people who believe in the value of the apologetic / evangelistic work that I do: have been for nine years. I don't make a big deal of it, and try to trust God and let my work speak for itself, but I have always needed donations in addition to book sales in order to get by.

I never ask for a donation unless it is from a person who totally believes in this work and/or has been helped by it themselves. Many many people have used my website for free and have never given any donation at all. I haven't pressured anyone to do so. I rarely talk about it at all. But it took thousands of hours of time to produce everything that you see here. Time is money. I've had to sacrifice a lot to create this body of work that is my writing. It's a labor of love. I've been writing Christian and specifically Catholic apologetics now for almost literally thirty years (since early 1981). I wouldn't trade my life for anything. I love it. At the same time, I have to make a living like everyone else. Gotta bring home the bacon to my family of six; have to pay my mortgage like every other home owner . . .

I ask for your prayerful consideration in supporting this apostolate. The work I have done is evident: over 2600 posts on this blog; the books . . . And it is evidently fruitful, with hundreds of personal testimonies received from people being helped in faith or assisted in becoming convinced of Catholicism, and entering the Church. I also have done a considerable amount of interaction with atheists and have been emphasizing that in recent months. My blog just passed the 1.5 million visitors mark.

I'll be looking for a new part-time job of some sort to fill in the gap, but I will keep doing what I do (i.e., apologetics, writing, outreach), no matter how much work is required (there are only so many hours in a day), and will still need support from donations to do so (as I always have). I'm a lifer. I have total commitment to my vocation. The Lord will provide. He does so, however, not by sending dollars from heaven like manna, but by speaking to the hearts of people like you: many of whom have been helped in some fashion through my writing, by God's grace (all glory to God for that). God does provide, and He does so through people. Apologetic outreach is very much a group, team effort. Both prayer and financial support are very necessary for it to be possible on a devoted, trained, full-time level.

Please prayerfully consider a generous tax-deductible donation or a purchase of my paperback books, or my 15-for-$25 or (newly-added) 5-for-$15 e-book package deals. Thank you so much for your support and for reading, and I wish you all a very blessed Advent and Christmas.

Books by Dave Armstrong: Biblical Catholic Salvation: "Faith Working Through Love"

(completed on 25 October 2010; 187 pages)

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Featuring 379 biblical passages fully written out (RSV), for the convenience of the reader and 115 pages (seven chapters) devoted specifically to a critique of Calvinism and "TULIP".


TABLE OF CONTENTS

Dedication………..………………………………………………3

1. Initial Justification Originates Solely From God (Catholic Non-Pelagian Soteriology)…..……….................………….….……….….7

2. Grace Alone (Sola Gratia): Perfectly Acceptable Biblical and Catholic Teaching..…………….…..........…………………………….19 [15 completely written-out Bible passages: RSV] [read excerpts]

3. Catholic Revivalism in Comparison to Evangelical Protestant Efforts at Evangelism: Why the Difference?.….….......……………25

4. Biblical Evidence for the Nature of Saving Faith: Assent, Trust, Hope, Works, Obedience, and Sanctification..……....................…….29 [59 Bible passages] [see original complete, comprehensive exposition]

5. More "Catholic Verses" and Biblical Defenses of Catholicism: On Sanctification as Part of Salvation, and Merit………................……...43 [16 Bible passages]

6. Merit and Differential Grace: Biblical Evidences and the Analogy to Prayer.…………………………................…………………49 [39 Bible passages]

7. Biblical Evidence for Annihilation of Sin (Infused Justification)...…..…………………………………………….59 [30 Bible passages]

8. Philippians 2:12: "Work Out Your Own Salvation With Fear and Trembling" and Protestant Soteriology.….…….................….………63 [9 Bible passages] [read original dialogue]

9. Biblical Teaching Regarding Mortal and Venial Sin.....67 [4 Bible passages]

10. Biblical Evidence Against the Reformed Protestant Doctrine of Total Depravity…….….….……...........……..…………………….73 [36 Bible passages] [excerpts: one / two / three / four]

11. Biblical Arguments Against the Reformed Protestant Doctrine of Limited Atonement….…….…........................………..…………103 [47 Bible passages] [excerpts: one / two]

12. Biblical Evidence Against the Reformed Protestant Doctrine of Irresistible Grace………….………..................…….………………….115 [22 Bible passages] [read excerpt]

13. Catholic Answers to "Prooftexts" for the Myth of Absolute Assurance of Salvation...……….…….….….…..............…….…….….131 [26 Bible passages]

14. Biblical Evidence Against God Predestining the Damned to Hell Apart from Their Free Will Decision...….…..................……………145 [37 Bible passages] [read excerpt]

15. The Hardening of Pharaoh's Heart and Other Similar Instances of God Supposedly Causing Evil........…................….….……159 [12 Bible passages] [excerpts: one / two / three]

16. Catholic (and Arminian) Exegesis of Romans 9…...173 [27 Bible passages] [read excerpt]

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Family Matters: Catholic Theology of the Family (2002, 159 pages)

Twin Scourges: Thoughts on Anti-Catholicism & Theological Liberalism (2003, 167 pages)

Books by Dave Armstrong: "The Catholic Mary": Quite Contrary to the Bible?

(completed on 11 September 2010; 193 pages)

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

Dedication………..………………………………………………3

1. Mary's Carol (A Christmas Poem)...…....………………7 [read online]

2. Mary's Knowledge of Jesus' Divinity.…….....………….9 [excerpts: one / two]

3. The Imitation of Mary.………………………….....…….13 [read online (slightly different)]

4. Was Mary's Immaculate Conception Absolutely Necessary? ...….19

5. Biblical Argument (From Analogy and Plausibility) for the Immaculate Conception of Mary.………..............………………………23

6. Is the Material Sufficiency of Scripture Inconsistent With Belief in the Assumption of Mary?.……………..............………………31 [read excerpts]

7. Mary as "Spouse of the Holy Spirit": Biblical Analogies and Evidences..……………………………………………………...35 [read excerpt]

8. Why Catholics Believe in the Perpetual Virginity of Mary and Make it a Dogma...………………...........……………………………..45 [read excerpts]

9. Replies to Alleged Biblical Disproofs of the Perpetual Virginity of Mary………………………................………………………51 [excerpts: one / two / three / four / five]

10. Traditional Protestant Belief in the Perpetual Virginity of Mary.……………………….……………………………….…..71 [excerpts: one / two / three / four]

11. Why Do Catholics Ask Mary to Pray for Them, Rather Than Praying Directly to God?…………………....................…………………….87

12. Reflections on the Rosary……..…………..……………91 [read excerpt]

13. Mary as a Guide and Model of Holiness.…...………..99 [read excerpts]

14. Biblical Evidence Regarding Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary…………………….........………...……………………107 [read excerpts]

15. St. Louis de Montfort's True Devotion to Mary: Is Mary Placed Too High and Jesus Too Low?…….….........................……………….113

16. Does St. Alphonsus de Liguori, in The Glories of Mary, Teach That Mary is "Above" God and Can "Manipulate" Him? ………………125 [read original dialogue]

17. St. Maximilian Kolbe's "Flowery" Marian Veneration Explained and Defended……………......................………………………145

18. Biblical Evidence for God Using Creatures to Distribute His Grace and Salvation………….….…...............………………………..157

19. Biblical Evidence for Creatures Extending the Comfort, Peace, and Strength of God: Implications for Mariology…........................…..161

20. Mary as Part of the Holy Trinity?: Case Study of a Botched, Out-of-Context "Quotation" from Pope Pius XII.…...................……….171

21. Is Mary's Anxiety in Looking for Young Jesus a Sin?: Reply to a Misguided "Exegetical" Argument….……...................…….……….189

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Science and Christianity: Close Partners or Mortal Enemies? (2010, 301 pages)

Family Matters: Catholic Theology of the Family (2002, 159 pages)

Twin Scourges: Thoughts on Anti-Catholicism & Theological Liberalism (2003, 167 pages)

Books by Dave Armstrong: Science and Christianity: Close Partners or Mortal Enemies?

[ source ] "Mystic Mountain". From the Hubble page: "chaotic activity atop a pillar of gas and dust, three light-years tall, which is being eaten away by the brilliant light from nearby bright stars. The pillar is also being assaulted from within, as infant stars buried inside it fire off jets of gas that can be seen streaming from towering peaks. . . . Scorching radiation and fast winds (streams of charged particles) from super-hot newborn stars in the nebula are shaping and compressing the pillar, causing new stars to form within it. Streamers of hot ionised gas can be seen flowing off the ridges of the structure, and wispy veils of gas and dust, illuminated by starlight, float around its towering peaks. The denser parts of the pillar are resisting being eroded by radiation. Nestled inside this dense mountain are fledgling stars. Long streamers of gas can be seen shooting in opposite directions from the pedestal at the top of the image. Another pair of jets is visible at another peak near the centre of the image. These jets, (known as HH 901 and HH 902, respectively, are signposts for new star birth and are launched by swirling gas and dust discs around the young stars, which allow material to slowly accrete onto the stellar surfaces. Hubble's Wide Field Camera 3 observed the pillar on 1-2 February 2010. The colours in this composite image correspond to the glow of oxygen (blue), hydrogen and nitrogen (green), and sulphur (red)."

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

Dedication………..………………………………………………3

1. Christianity's Central Role in the Conception and Development of Modern Science……..………............................….….……….….7 [read online]

2. Fertile Soil and Roots of Modern Science: 33 Prominent Christians Prior to 1000 A. D. With Empiricist, Proto-Scientific Views.…………..…………….………….…….……………….19 [read online]

3. 59 Catholic Medieval and/or Scholastic Proto-Scientists From 1000 to 1500 A. D…..….….……………….…....................….……………37

4. 70 Catholic, Protestant and Otherwise Religious Prominent Scientists: 1500-1700 (From Copernicus to Steno, Boyle, and Ray)………………………………………………....………….73

5. 36 Catholic, Protestant and Otherwise Religious Prominent Scientists: 1700-1800 (From Newton to Linnaeus, Boscovich, and Lavoisier)……………....……………………..……………..107

6. 41 Catholic, Protestant and Otherwise Religious Prominent Scientists: 1800-1850 (From Dalton to Humboldt, Cuvier, and Faraday)...……….…..……………………...………………127

7. 56 Catholic, Protestant and Otherwise Religious Prominent Scientists: 1850-1900 (From Maxwell to Mendel, Pasteur, and Kelvin)….…..….…..…………………………………………153

8. 31 Catholic, Protestant and Otherwise Religious Prominent Scientists: 1900-1950 (From Einstein to Planck, Eddington, and Lemaître)………….…………………....….…….….………191

9. 115 Scientific Fields of Study Founded or Extraordinarily Advanced by Christian or Theistic Scientists / 34 Prominent Catholic Priest-Scientists and Mathematicians: 1500-1950……………………......……221 [read online]

10. Albert Einstein's "Cosmic Religion"….…...…………231 [read online]

11. The Galileo Case: Historical Facts and Neglected Considerations vs. Secular Revisionist Myths.…............................….………….249

12. Galileo and Other Prominent 16th-17th Century Astronomers' Acceptance of Astrology...…...……...............................….…….….257 [excerpts: one / two]

13. "No One's Perfect": Scientific Errors of Galileo and 16th-17th Century Cosmologies Rescued From Inexplicable Obscurity.......269 [read online]

14. The Execution of Antoine Lavoisier: the Great Catholic Scientist and "Father of Chemistry" by "Enlightened" French Revolutionaries.….….……………………………..….………275 [read online]

15. Christian Influence on Science: Master List of Scores of Bibliographical and Internet Resources.……….......................………………285 [read online]


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Biblical Catholic Salvation: "Faith Working Through Love" (2010, 187 pages)

Science and Christianity: Close Partners or Mortal Enemies? (2010, 301 pages)

Family Matters: Catholic Theology of the Family (2002, 159 pages)

Twin Scourges: Thoughts on Anti-Catholicism & Theological Liberalism (2003, 167 pages)

Cat's Eye Nebula [ source ]


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16 Atheists / Agnostics & Me: Sounds Like a Good Ratio! Further Adventures at an Atheist "Bible Study" Group With Former Christians Jon and "DagoodS"

Last night I attended for the third time an "atheist Bible study" group in metro Detroit led by Jon, a former evangelical and friendly fellow, with whom I have debated the Galileo issue. He has a blog called Prove Me Wrong. The first time I went there, several months back, I was invited as a guest speaker. It was simply a Q & A, "grill the apologist" session (due to my dislike of lecturing as my own method of communication), mostly devoted to the usual garden-variety questions about Catholicism. Jon later described the night as follows:

I run a bible study. It's for those interested in understanding the Bible from a secular perspective. We're mostly atheists but we do have some Christian participation. A couple of times instead of studying the Bible I've simply brought in a religious person. So once Roman Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong came. A lot of atheists regard Christian belief as extremely easy to debunk and I thought it would be fun to bring in someone that has thought through common objections and is able to turn it back on atheists. Make them exercise their brains a bit. We had a great time with Dave.

That time, there were eleven atheists and myself. It was the most enjoyable and challenging evening I have ever spent as an apologist in almost 30 years of apologetics. Several of the people said that I had won their respect, by simply showing up and being cordial and willing to answer their questions and do some back-and-forth. For their part (save for just one person who was later kicked out of their group) they were very cordial and friendly.

This is not the stereotypical "angry atheist" group (example: John Loftus' Debunking Christianity blog), with (irrational, self-contradictory) anger against God and Christianity upfront and dominating everything, complete with ubiquitous personal insults towards Christians. No; Jon, to his great credit, is trying to do something different, and to actually seek to better understand Christianity and Christian arguments and to have some real dialogue.

I went a second time and enjoyed some great discussion around a campfire (mostly with the guy who had given me the hardest time in the first meeting: insinuating that I was dishonest or ignorant or both). Then I invited Jon to my house to do a presentation on the nonexistence of Jesus (a position he holds tentatively). That went well, too, and Jon gave the following description of his experience:

I had the opportunity last Friday to sit down with some Catholics and just spend an evening discussing some of our disagreements. It was me along with another atheist (who I met for the first time) and a few Catholics. It was put together by Dave Armstrong. I really appreciate Dave. He's one of those people that is able to sit down and disagree with me strongly, but do it in a way that makes for productive and friendly dialogue. Not all Christians can do this, nor can all skeptics.

Apparently, Jon has a somewhat more favorable view towards my reasoning abilities these days, compared to 26 March 2010, when he wrote (I tease him about this):

As far as apologists go I kind of like Roman Catholics. Dave Armstrong may be extremely irrational. But he's always been fairly charitable.

Last night, the person doing the presentation was a guy who goes by "DagoodS": another former Christian who runs a blog called Thoughts From a Sandwich. He is an attorney; a very animated, thoughtful, academic type (the sort of person I particularly love talking to and learning from). He talked about how Christians defend the resurrection of Jesus; playing "Christian" most of the time. It was historiographically dense (with many "footnote" references to "what scholars today think"), interesting enough, and entertaining on its own level, but ultimately not to my own taste because it was a professorial-type lecture (complete with the white board and markers). It was like being in a graduate-level history class (or maybe a Unitarian Bible study). I want to dialogue (as is well-known to my readers by now), and that never occurred. We all have our preferences.

One of the few critiques I was able to get in at all had to do with the relentless, dogmatic presuppositional skepticism of atheists. DagoodS asked the group (17 including myself) how many believed that miracles occur. I was the only one to raise my hand. Then he asked how many believed that miracles might possibly occur. Jon raised his hand, and possibly one other. Only one or two even allowed the bare possibility. This exactly illustrated the point I was to make.

DagoodS was saying that it is more difficult to believe an extraordinary miracle or event than to believe in one that is more commonplace. True enough as far as it goes. But I said (paraphrasing), "you don't believe that any miracles are possible, not even this book raising itself an inch off the table, so it is pointless for you to say that it is hard to believe in a great miracle, when in fact you don't believe in any miracles whatsoever." No response. I always try to get at the person's presuppositions. That is my socratic method.

This being the case, for an atheist (ostensibly with an "open mind") to examine evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus, is almost a farcical enterprise from the start (at least from a Christian perspective) because they commence the analysis with the extremely hostile presuppositions of:

1) No miracles can occur in the nature of things.

2) #1 logically follows because, of course, under fundamental atheist presuppositions, there is no God to perform any miracle.

3) The New Testament documents are fundamentally untrustworthy and historically suspect, having been written by gullible, partisan Christians; particularly because, for most facts presented therein, there is not (leaving aside archaeological evidences) written secular corroborating evidence.

Some atheists (like Jon) even claim (or suspect) that Jesus didn't exist at all (making such a topic even more absurd and ludicrous (given that premise) than it already is in atheist eyes. Yet they think that such an examination of the Resurrection is an objective endeavor on their part, as if they will come to any other conclusion than the foregone one that they have already decided long since, upon the adoption of their atheism? And we are the ones who are constantly excoriated for being so "inflexible" and "dogmatic" and "closed-minded" to any other truths besides Christian ones?

The lecture went on for two hours in the library room where the group met, and then we went to a restaurant. Over there, I wasn't seated next to either Jon or DagoodS (there were about 13 people present), so further discussion with them wasn't possible. Instead I talked a lot about the problem of evil and God's supposed serious deficiencies, with a third person, with the person on the other side of me asking me intermittently about purgatory and limbo and indulgences.

I was able to get in at least one important point with Jon at the restaurant. He was making fun of the popes taking many centuries to decide the dogmatic question of the Immaculate Conception of Mary [1854]. So I noted (with some vigor) that people (not just atheists but also Protestants) are always criticizing popes (and the Church as a whole) for supposedly declaring things by fiat and with raw power, apart from rational deliberation and intellectual reflection (which is a myth), yet on the other hand, if they take centuries to let the Church reflect and ponder important issues (this example, Mary's Assumption [1950], papal infallibility [1870]), by not yet declaring something at the highest levels of authority, then they get blasted for being indecisive and wishy-washy and lacking authority.

It was a classic case of the Catholic Church always having to be criticized, even if there are simultaneous contradictory criticisms taking place. It's the amusing, ironic spectacle of people illogically falsely accusing us of being illogical. If we do one thing we are wrong and stupid and illogical because of thus-and-so. If we do the exact opposite and contrary of that, we are still wrong and stupid and illogical for reasons that utterly contradict those of the prior criticism. And so on and on it goes. The only thing that critics of Catholicism "know" is that the Catholic Church is always wrong. That is the bottom line. We seem to be everyone's favorite target and "whipping boy."

DagoodS' specialty (like that of many atheists of a certain sort; especially former Christians) is relentlessly trying to poke holes in the Bible and dredging up any conceivable so-called "contradiction" that he can find. It's the hyper-rationalistic, "can't see the forest for the trees" game. As I've often said, such a person approaches the Bible like a butcher approaches a hog. Their mind is already made up. If they go looking for errors and "contradictions" they will assuredly always "find" them.

And if a Christian spends the great deal of laborious, tedious time required to debunk and refute these in order to show how they are not, in fact, contradictions (as I and many others have done), they simply ignore that as of no consequence and go their merry way seeking out more of the same. It never ends. It's like a boat with a hundred holes in the bottom. The Christian painstakingly patches up the last one while the atheist on the other side of the boat merrily drills another one to patch. I'll play the game for a while and every now and then but it is never to be taken too seriously because it is, quite literally, just a game in the end.

I have actually debated DagoodS several times in the past on the Internet, and have critiqued his deconversion story (atheists invariably despise the unmitigated gall of a Christian daring to do that!):

On the Alleged Contradictions of 2 Samuel 24, and 1 Chronicles 21 and 27

Alleged Contradictions Regarding the Twelve Disciples of Jesus

Discussion With Atheists on Hell, the Argument From Desire, and God's Justice and Ours (+ Part Two)

Dialogue With Atheists on a Supposedly Sexist, Misogynist Bible and Christianity, and on Female Atheist Disdain for Christian Women as Abused "Sheep" [his words are in purple]

"DagoodS" Deconversion Story, Part I: Projection, Open-Mindedness, and Presuppositional Issues

Critique of "DagoodS"' Deconversion Story Meets a Sudden Premature Death

Now that I have met the man, and had no chance to interact with him last night for more than 90 seconds, I may try to set aside some time in my busy schedule to debunk more of his skeptical excursions undertaken for the purpose of undermining the trustworthiness and inspiration of the Holy Bible. In all likelihood, judging from his past responses, any such replies will have no effect on him, but they can help Christians see the bankruptcy of atheist anti-biblical arguments, and those on the fence to avoid falling into the same errors of logic and fallacious worldviews built upon such errors.

And that is the whole goal of apologetics, and particularly the dialogical apologetics that I specialize in: to help people (by God's grace) avoid theological and philosophical errors and to be more confident in their Christian and Catholic beliefs, by understanding solid intellectual rationales for same. We remove obstacles and roadblocks. What the person will do with that information is a function of their minds and free wills and God's grace, and that is out of the apologist's hands.

Prayers Addressed to Body Parts (?); Sacred Heart of Jesus; Immaculate Heart of Mary Devotions: Biblical Reflections

On the CHNI board where I am the head moderator, a person (Catholic convert since 1997) wrote:

In several devotions attached to private revelations which have become popular over the last couple of centuries, I hear prayers being addressed to a body part or some other noun rather than to the name of a Person of the Trinity, or to a saint. Examples are:

(a) In the Divine Mercy chaplet, there is a prayer which begins "O Blood and Water…" and, I think, ends with "we trust in You".

(b) In devotions derived from the Fatima visions, one will hear prayers addressed to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, or hear people speak of "having a devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary".

(c) In devotions derived from the Sacred Heart visions granted to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, I hear prayers such as "Sacred Heart of Jesus, I trust in You".

I find these usages confusing, at the least, and at worst, incredibly off-putting. If I wish to address a prayer to Jesus, to ask for His mercy based on His shed blood, I would pray, "Dear Jesus", or "Dear Lord", or some other direct form of address. The same with Mary – when I wish to ask for her intercession, based on the mother's love I know she has for me, I ask her directly. Her heart is not a separate entity, nor is it capable of interceding for me, since it is not a person. Why would I address a prayer to it?

My reply follows.

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Aside from the clearly sacramental nature of the language of body parts, it is also just a convention of language. For example, if we call someone "sweetheart" we are saying they are characterized by having a sweet heart; so much so that we make that idea a sort of personification for their whole person.

"Braveheart" is the same thing: a person who was characterized by bravery (William Wallace: the great Scottish national hero).

Or we will say, "he's a brain" or speak of a "hired hand" and so forth. So the fact that this enters into Christian devotional language, too, should not surprise us. The Old Testament was very rich in such visual imagery.

I found a surprising amount of biblical material about two of the most famous "body part devotions":

Sacred Heart and Immaculate Heart Devotions: Some Biblical Indications in Harmony With Them

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The person counter-replied (and my further response follows):

I am familiar, of course, with all those Biblical references to Mary's heart, and the other references to Jesus's heart. None of them try to refer to the heart as an entity, and the way they do refer to the heart makes perfect sense. I just don't follow the conceptual leap that must have been made, some time in the early Middle Ages, from "Mary pondered all these things in her heart" to "Immaculate Heart of Mary, I trust in you." I wish there were a way to trace the development from one to the other.

So what I deduce from this is that this type of phrasing is a spiritual shorthand to refer to concepts which might otherwise take a lot more words, and it developed in a spiritual and historical culture very different from the ones we live in now. I'm afraid I'm still going to find it a bit off-putting, but if the Lord wants me to be able to use these devotions, I'm sure He'll show me how to get around that.

Could this not be an example of personification?

Secondly, perhaps you are familiar with the Bible sometimes using the word soul (which is the spiritual part of us only) for the whole person. Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words has as one meaning of soul (Greek, psuche or psyche):

the equivalent of the personal pronoun, used for emphasis and effect
This is more strikingly apparent in the literary usages of the Old Testament, with the word nephesh (the usual Hebrew word for soul). The King James Version particularly brings this out (thus showing that this sort of literary device was more in use in the past). But in each case I cite below the Hebrew word nephesh is present. It is used every time soul appears in the OT in the KJV, except for one single verse (Job 30:15):

Genesis 2:7 . . . man became a living soul.

Genesis 17:14 . . . that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Exodus 12:15 . . . that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Exodus 12:19 . . . that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. (cf. 31:14)

Leviticus 5:2, 4 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty. . . . Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good, whatsoever it be that a man shall pronounce with an oath, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty in one of these. (cf. 5:15, 17; 6:2; 7:18, 20-21, 25, 27)

Leviticus 17:10 . . . I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people. (cf. 17:12, 15; 18:29; 19:8)

See many many more examples.

So if a soul, which is not even the material part of a person, can be referred to as the whole person, why not also the heart, which in the Hebrew worldview was seen as the "residence" of the soul? I don't see any difference between the two. If someone else does, I'd like to hear their thoughts. It's an explicitly biblical notion.

There may not be anyone praying to a heart in the Bible, but the concept of part of a person being referred to as the whole person is clearly present, and thus the sacred heart and immaculate heart devotions are also of the same type of concept by analogy and deduction.

Yet another way to look at it is as an analogy to the sort of idea expressed in the statements, "those words really spoke to his heart" and "I really took your advice to heart" and (the old Hank Williams song) "my heart would know" or "we had a heart to heart talk." Everyone knows that these are not literal statements, but we also all know what they mean.

So if we can, in this sense, speak to someone's heart, what is the objection to praying to the heart of Jesus? I would contend that people know what this means. It is simply a more poetic, pungent way of expressing it, but it is not at all unlike language that we hear and use all the time.

1.5 Million Blog Visitors and Still Countin' and Goin' Strong! Thanks for Reading!

One can see this figure on the bottom of the sidebar: 1,501,050 as of this writing (since 2 February 2004). That includes the previous Site Meter figures compiled before the new blog design (when the count was reset). Thanks for reading! I appreciate very much all of you who stop by: even my harsh critics. Here are previous related posts:

Blog Passes One Million Visitors Mark (1.5 Million Page Views) [10 October 2008]

Cor ad cor loquitur Passes the One Million Page Views Mark [7 September 2007]

Cor ad cor loquitur Passes Half-Million Visitors Mark [17 January 2007]

Cor ad cor loquitur Passes the 300,000 Visitors Mark [6 March 2006]

I dedicate this celebration to Bishop James White, who confidently predicted over five years ago that this blog would wither up and die (or at least be reduced to virtual insignificance) if I stopped debating anti-Catholic, logically challenged know-nothings such as himself. Bishop White wrote on 5 April 2005:

Same fellow who then took an oath [this is a lie] to stop interacting with "anti-Catholics" (convenient use of terminology) - which had the not overly unexpected result of basically killing his blog, which then went into hibernation during Lent anyway.

I was getting about 300 hits a day then. My average as of writing is 843 per day. I haven't debated anti-Catholics (save for one exception) in over three years. I only did occasionally before that. This is the sort of silliness we get from someone who doesn't have the slightest idea of the range of topics that I cover on this blog (my anti-Catholicism web page is but one of over 50 such topical pages).

I also dedicate this post to anti-Catholic luminary and distinguished personage Eric Svendsen, who wrote prophetically on 4 January 2005:

It appears that direct and substantive critiques of his work have proved too much for Dave Armstrong. He has pulled the plug on his little blog experiment gone bad (Read). It seems Dr. White, in his critiques of Armstrong's arguments that supposedly "confound Protestants," ended up "confounding" Armstrong himself . . . Wasn't it Dave Armstrong who criticized me for closing the comments section of my blog . . .? Wasn't it Armstrong who criticized James White for not opening a comments section on his blog? Wasn't it Armstrong who criticized Tim Enloe for closing the comments section of his blog. And now, as poetic justice would have it, Dave Armstrong is not merely closing the comments section of his apologetic blog--he's getting out of the apologetic blog business entirely! Wow; bravo James [White]! If we had only known earlier that it would take only five consecutive exegetical critiques of Armstrong's argument to shut him up (Tit 1:10-11), many would have done this a long time ago. Well done! : ) ("More Poetic Justice From the RC Apologetic Front")

One can have a great deal of fun playing with numbers. Another amusing incident along these lines occurred recently, when the anti-Catholic Peter Pike was mocking me for some wrongheaded reason (as usual with these guys). He had written the following at Steve "Whopper" Hays' Cryablogue site (on 23 September 2010):

Yet More Proof That Dave Armstrong is Dishonest

Too bad for Dave I can post my comments in a forum that receives far more than double the hits per day he gets, so when he deletes them it only means more people read them.

The charge was that I was deliberately deleting his comments on my blog. But unfortunately for Pike I proved shortly afterwards that it was the automatic Blogger spam function that had sent one of his comments to the spam folder for some reason. I restored it once I found this out. Of course he didn't retract the false charge. What else is new with anti-Catholics?

But the funniest thing was his claim that Steve Hays' site receives "far more than double the hits per day" than my blog. I showed at the time (from Site Meter stats on both blogs) that I was receiving an average of 899 hits per day, whereas Steve Hays' Cryablogue was receiving 852. Curious math, that. A quick check today has Hays at 821 and my site at the same time receiving 843. Obviously, then, Hays is still gettin' "far more than double the hits per day" compared to me. Anti-Catholic arithmetic is about as compelling as anti-Catholic theology and pseudo-"history".

I couldn't resist a little tweaking of my harshest critics. One has to laugh at these things once in a while. With all seriousness, though, it is precisely because I continue to have an influence in the Catholic apologetics world, that I pose such a threat to them, and so they have to resort to personal attack in order to try to besmirch my credibility and my name. In order to attack the dreaded Catholic Church: the Beast, they decide to attack and slander her defenders. If they didn't think I was persuading people they would simply ignore me. It obviously hasn't worked.

I didn't get into Catholic apologetics and evangelism to win a popularity contest and be well-liked (or to make tons of money: ha ha!!!). It is my calling from God. It is what I was put on this earth to do (and I've had the privilege to now do it full-time for almost nine years). If I were to let personal attacks hinder my work, I would have never begun it, because it is all part of the package of being an apologist. Often, people don't like it when someone disagrees with their opinions. They take it personally, and so they often attack, the person, like a mother bear with her cubs.

I give all the glory to God that anyone reads my writing at all, and that He has used this poor sinner to spread His message of the Gospel and the fullness of spiritual and theological and moral truth in the Catholic Church. I wouldn't trade my life for anything. God bless all of you. I can't tell you how honored I am that you read what I write. Spread the message! The harvest is ready and the laborers are few.

Anti-Catholic John Q. Doe Still Obsessed With My Work (98 Posts!): Pretense of a "DA-Free" Blog, Removal of My Name, and Absurd Anonymous Book Reviews

John Q. Doe: "I've always thought of myself as a caricature . . ." (3-2-07)


Doe (4-19-10): Would it help you to show what a "viper" I am over on your blog if I banned you? If you really want to [be] banned in order to revise your victim status at the hands of a dastardly anticatholic viper, I'll oblige you.

Me (4-19-10): Oh, that would be wonderful. Then you could be in the sublime, noble tradition of White, Svendsen, King, Hays, and Enloe (and current-day liberals and Democrats and Marxists): shutting down and shutting up folks who disagree with you. I think it would be very appropriate. What do you think?

Doe (4-20-10): Have you ever met one of those guys who says, "I dare you hit me, go ahead!" C'mon Dave, the show is over. . . . If you've got any sort of respect for your enemy (based on whatever Bible verse you come up with), please don't hijack another blog post that has nothing to do with you.

Doe (4-20-10): So... anyone wanting more interaction with Dave, please visit his blog.

Doe (4-20-10): Dave Armstrong's comment was deleted . . . Anyone wishing to read Mr. Armstrong's response on other topics can visit his blog.

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Doe (11-10-10): I recall deleting some comments about or directed toward DA recently, simply because I promised DA in private correspondence that I would try to make my blog DA free. Anything that has to do with him or mentioning him gets dumped, including any comments he makes.


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It gets awful ridiculous. The anti-Catholic bar for intellectual integrity and truth-telling is already scandalously low. Right now, for example, on Doe's site his blowhard "has no idea how profoundly ignorant he is" associate John Bugay is actually arguing with a straight face that Pope Benedict XVI is "pretty much a full-blown pantheist".

Now we also have the ludicrous spectacle of anti-Catholic Reformed Protestant polemicist and perpetual slanderer John Q. "Deadhead" Doe pretending that his site is a "DA-free zone". This is not the case at all. He decided to (hypocritically) ban me from making any comment months ago, but he has not removed all references to me by any means. So apparently he thinks it is perfectly kosher to keep writing and lying about someone (keeping old stuff posted), while the same person cannot respond on the same site.

He had a chance to truly remove all his hogwash and rotgut about me a while back when I suggested in an open letter that we both remove all of our materials about each other. He refused to do so and claimed it would be too difficult to find the time to do that, yet he managed to find time to remove many references to my name (he'll put something like "a Romanist apologist" when referring to something of mine, or he often uses "DA" to refer to me, as a search on his two sidebar searches will quickly illustrate).

But Doe retains older materials and he also has some more articles about me (with my name fully on display) at James White's blog. I have just a few articles up dealing with Doe (the most fun one being a documentation of his many -- quite serious -- innuendoes that I suffer from psychosis or some serious form of mental disability).


Now even mention of myself or my blog by commenters (even those who are partisans to Doe's anti-Catholic cause) is being disallowed. Hence, after one guy's ("Viisaus") comments mentioning me were deleted. Bugay informed him:

Of course, you are aware that this is a "DA-Free" blog. (11-17-10)

Doe chimed in a few comments later:

I ended up deleting a few of your comments- not because you said anything wrong, but because there are particular Romanist apologetics blogs I'd rather not discuss. (11-18-10)

A search using the sidebar search function on his own blog (#2) quickly reveals that Doe's blog is not nearly as "DA-free" as he and Bugay are making out:


My Name or Work Freely Mentioned (Usually as the Main Target)


Luther's Theology of Mary: A Response to Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong (June 2003)

Here I Stand: A Review of Dave Armstrong's Citations of Roland Bainton's Popular Biography on Martin Luther (July 2004)

Did Luther say, "Be a sinner and sin boldly"? (October 2005)

[these three extended polemical treatises come up in a search of Doe's blog, but are hosted at a different URL; another clever little trick, to keep up the pretense]

Defending O'Hare's Facts About Luther (4-27-06)

Catholic Apologist Art Sippo on Roland Bainton's "Here I Stand" (6-16-06)

Alister McGrath on Augustine and Justification (8-29-06)

Father O'Hare's "Facts About Luther" Revisted [sic] (10-10-06)

The Canon: The Empty Arguments From the Defenders of Rome (11-12-06)

Luther: "The book of Esther I toss into the Elbe..." (12-1-06)

Friday Odds and Ends (1-19-07)

Who to Trust on Luther Biographies? (1-27-07)

The New Team Apologian Graphic (3-2-07; attacks in the combox)

Augustine on Matthew 16:18 (3-7-07; extensive personal attacks in the combox, starting here)

Luther: "The book of Esther I toss into the Elbe"....Revisted [sic] (3-23-07; discussion in the combox)

The Foggy Facts (4-16-07)

Postcards From Mordor (4-28-07)

Reading Carefully (5-16-07)

On Luther Giving Hyperdulia To Mary (6-18-07)

Luther: "Mary... We Can Never Honor Her Enough" (8-15-07)

Odds and Ends (9-5-07)

Luther: "The history of Jonah is so monstrous that it is absolutely incredible" (9-11-07)

Luther: The Assumption Was A Settled Fact? (Part 3) (9-24-07)

My Cat's Picture Posted On A Well-Respected Catholic Blog (11-16-07; extensive personal attacks in the combox)

[No title; "Spy vs. Spy" series] (12-26-07; mentioned in combox, including by Doe)

[No title; "Spy vs. Spy" series] (12-28-07)

Spy vs. Spy Continued... (12-31-07)

Spy Vs Spy: The Evidence Is In (1-4-08)

Leibniz Jenga (1-10-o8)

The Helping Hands of Turretinfan (1-14-08)

[No title] (3-31-08; includes combox discussion)

Tedium (6-20-08)

I Think I've been Banned.... (7-3-08)

Luther's Statement Concerning Roman Catholic Authorities: "Why do we not rather assault them with arms and wash our hands in their blood?" (Part One) (10-12-08)

Luther's Statement Concerning Roman Catholic Authorities: "Why do we not rather assault them with arms and wash our hands in their blood?" (Part Two) (10-15-08)

Recent Silly Stuff... (12-4-08)

Luther: "I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture" (1-31-09)

Alert the Catholic Apologists: A Roman Catholic Discovers Luther Held 1 Maccabees To Be Canonical Scripture (2-24-09)

Luther on 2 Maccabees 12:46 (3-5-09)

Luther: Evangelicals are now seven times worse than they were before..having learnt the Gospel, we steal, tell lies, deceive, eat and drink to excess (4-19-09)

Luther: I am unable to pray without at the same time cursing (6-10-09; extensive discussion of me in the combox, starting here)

Tidbits Till Saturday (7-28-09)

Can't Find a Good Protestant Church, and Think Converting to an "Old" Church is the Answer? (8-9-09; personal attacks in the combox)

A Guide To Becoming Holy (10-12-09; personal attacks in the combox: largely -- but not only -- from Turretinfan, starting here)

Starving for the Catholic faith (11-15-09)

Combox comment (12-4-09)

Internet Inquisition Goes After Distinguished Roman Catholic Scholar, 10 Years Too Late (1-4-10)

Luther: We Have To Pay for the Disasters of My Preaching (2-18-10; "Armstrong" and "Catholic apologist" and "DA")

Luther a Murderer? (3-25-10; "Armstrong")

Bon Voyage .... Envoy Forums? (4-19-10; attacks in the combox)


"Dave Armstrong" Hit-Posts Hosted on James White's Blog

Deacons, Elders, Armstrong, and...Luther (6-18-07)

Desperate Sophistry (6-24-07)

Chasing Luther Quotes (1-4-08)

The New Catholic (Right and Wrong) Answer Bible (4-3-09)


"Anonymous" Book Reviews: Author's Name Ignored (!!!)


[The New Catholic Answer Bible] (3-4-09)

[My book, Martin Luther: Catholic Critical Analysis and Praise] (6-15-09)

[My book, Protestantism: Critical Reflections of an Ecumenical Catholic] ( 3-2-10; "Roman Catholic apologist's book")

Are There Biblical Catholic Answers for John Calvin? (Part One) (3-22-10)

Part Two (3-23-10)

Part Three (3-23-10)

Part Four (3-29-10)

Part Five (4-22-10)

Part Six (5-6-10)


"Anonymous" References to My Work


The Facts About Luther (Part Two) (12-18-05; using "a Roman Catholic Apologist" and "Romanist". Elsewhere Doe describes the paper as "A brief response to Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong")

Exposed:Philip Melanchthon's "Strong Enthusiasm For Astrology" (5-22-06; "A Catholic apologist" and several instances of "DA")

Catholic Historian Hartmann Grisar on Luther (2-7-07; "DA" throughout)

Combox comment (4-8-07: "if you have something to say that isn't . . . DA-esque, I will listen")

My Creative Friends (5-14-07; "Dave" and "DA")

When Catholic Apologists Pray for You (5-30-07; first citation and other references)

On just vomiting up throwaway labels (11-16-07; "DA" in the combox)

Never Mind (12-22-07; use of "DA" and "the Catholic-apologetic-Knight-in-Shining-Armor")

On DA's Research (12-29-07; URL is http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot...)

Spy vs. Spy . . . Continued (1-8-08; "DA" throughout)

The "Luther Quote" Via Leibniz (revised) (1-9-08: "one particular Catholic apologist" and "Romanist")

Combox comment (3-28-08; "DA's blog")

Combox comment (3-31-08; "DA")

Revisiting Luther's Outrageous Statements on Being a "Prophet" (9-16-08: "Romanist source"; my words cited)

The "ineffable joy" of Predestination to Hell (Part 2) (11-15-08; first citation is from me)

References That Miss the Mark (12-26-08; cites my words; calls me "the author")

Clash of the Titans: Sungenis vs. DA (1-15-09)

[several references to my full or last name appear in the combox, including one by James White]

Spy vs. Spy Revisted [sic] (3-6-09; "DA" throughout; "Dave" once)

Luther said, "To the gallows with Moses!" (4-11-09; "DA's blog")

Luther: Evangelicals are now seven times worse than they were before..having learnt the Gospel, we steal, tell lies, deceive, eat and drink to excess (4-19-09; "DA")

Attention Catholics: Ugly Churches Distort The Catholic Faith (5-21-09; "DA")

Various Luther Tidbits . . . (5-29-09; "DA")

Various Luther Tidbits . . . (6-2-09; "DA")

Combox comment (6-3-09: "Hey, maybe you could ask DA or Sungenis for their opinions")

I've Been Refuted, Once Again (7-8-09; "DA" throughout)

Now you see it...now you don't (7-15-09: "a Romanist"; cites my words)

A Roman Catholic Trying to Argue for Perpetual Virginity of Mary (8-29-09)

[the URL is a bit revealing of the "secret": http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot...]

Catholic bloggers' "code of conduct" (10-30-09; "DA")

Arguing With DA (1-16-10; URL is http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot...)

Taking Irenaeus out of context (1-21-10; "DA")

Luther: People are Worse Than They Were Under The Papacy (2-13-10: "Another Romanist")

How to Sink a Blog (2-24-10; "DA"; "Armstrong" in first comment)

Breaking Promises (3-4-10: "DA")

Combox comment (3-8-10: "the bottom of the barrel where DA and Sippo rule . . .")

The NAB Perpetuating "a serious problem for millions of Catholics" (4-13-10: "one of the masterminds behind The New Catholic Answer Bible")

Once Upon a Time, A Catholic Apologist Misquoted Luther (10-7-10; I was the most active in this whole controversy, but Doe is careful never to mention me by name; not even using his famous "DA" moniker)

The Ultimate Motown Hit Song (and Great Song) Discography: 1959-1998 (The Best-Sounding Recordings)

"Hitsville, USA": the studio on West Grand Blvd. in Detroit, Michigan (now a museum), where most of the Motown recordings from 1959 to1971 were made

See related posts:

The Ultimate Motown Collection of Chronological Discographies

Motown's James Jamerson: The Greatest Bass Guitarist of All Time

"Pilgrimage" to Historic Blues and Country Music Sites, in the South, and in Detroit


I grew up in Detroit (southwest side, by Vernor and Central, for those of you who know the city at all), lived there from my birth in 1958 till 1975, and went to nationally-renowned Cass Technical High School near downtown, which was only about a mile away from the legendary Motown Studio (that I have visited twice), and Wayne State University, a little north of downtown. I still live only a mile or two away from southwest Detroit and go to church in downtown Detroit (just past the new football and baseball stadiums).

It was exactly the right time to grow up, in terms of the wonderful music coming out of this studio in my hometown. We're extremely proud of this heritage in the Motor City. Recently I put together a long-planned, chronological 11-CD compilation of Motown hit songs, from various sources. I listened to each song in as many versions as I could, in order to compare remastered versions, and mono vs. stereo.

I did the same with the Beatles a year ago when the remastered mono and stereo box sets came out. As with the Beatles, I found that I usually preferred the mono versions prior to around 1969-1970. They were likely the "primary" mixes (especially for the singles): intended for mono AM radio. This is how I (and most of us who were alive then) heard the songs all through the 1960s: through a car radio or mono record player (usually 45 rpm records in my case, as we had no Motown albums). So perhaps those in my generation (baby boomers) maintain a fondness for the old mono recordings that is a bit inexplicable for the younger folks who have known only stereo (and digital recording, which has only recently matched the audio quality that vinyl records had 40 or more years ago).

I follow the original 60s Motown artists (the most prominent ones) through the 70s, 80s, and 90s, even if they eventually went to another label (example: the 70s hits of Gladys Knight and the Pips, on other labels). So this is really (strictly speaking) a "discography of hit songs and best recordings of 60s Motown artists," since I don't include new artists from the 70s and onwards. But I didn't include, as another example, the 70s hits of The Spinners (only slightly successful at Motown), because they exemplified the "Philadelphia Sound" and thus were not really appropriate in a collection focusing on the classic "Motown Sound."

[Tracks in mono will be colored in blue. All tracks are 320kbps unless specified otherwise. The number following # is the song's highest position on the Billboard Pop Chart. Songs are chronological according to release date]

225 Songs
[almost 13 hours of music]
167 Top Ten Songs
54 #1 Songs

CD 1 (1959 - August 1964) [73.24]
[16 Top 10 songs / 4 #1 songs]

1. Money #23 Barrett Strong [Hitsville USA: Motown Singles Collection: 1959-1971 (1992)]
2. Shop Around #2 The Miracles [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
3. Please Mr. Postman #1 Marvelettes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
4. Every Beat of My Heart #6 Gladys Knight & the Pips [unknown album] 192 kbps
5. The One Who Really Loves You #8 Mary Wells [Hitsville USA (1992)]
6. Playboy #7 Marvelettes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
7. Beechwood 4-5789 #17 Marvelettes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
8. Do You Love Me #3 The Contours [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
9. You Beat Me to the Punch #9 Mary Wells [Hitsville USA (1992)]
10. Stubborn Kind of Fellow #46 Marvin Gaye [Very Best Of (2001)] 256 kbps
11. Two Lovers #7 Mary Wells [Hitsville USA (1992)]
12. You've Really Got a Hold On Me #8 The Miracles [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
13. Come and Get These Memories #29 Martha & the Vandellas [20th Century Masters (1999)] 192 kbps
14. Forever #44 Marvelettes [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
15. Pride and Joy #10 Marvin Gaye [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
16. Fingertips, Pt. 2 #1 Stevie Wonder [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
17. Heat Wave #4 Martha & the Vandellas [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
18. Mickey's Monkey #8 The Miracles [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
19. Can I Get a Witness #22 Marvin Gaye [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
20. Quicksand #8 Martha & the Vandellas [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
21. The Way You Do the Things You Do #11 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
22. You're a Wonderful One #15 Marvin Gaye [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
23. My Guy #1 Mary Wells [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
24. Every Little Bit Hurts #13 Brenda Holloway [Hitsville USA (1992)]
25. Where Did Our Love Go #1 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
26. Baby, I Need Your Loving #11 The Four Tops [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
27. Dancing in the Street #2 Martha & the Vandellas [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]

CD 2 (September 1964 - 1965) [73.17]
[13 Top 10 songs / 5 #1 songs]

1. Girl (Why You Wanna Make Me Blue) #26 The Temptations [Anthology (1995)]
2. Baby Love #1 The Supremes [Hitsville USA (1992)]
3. Without the One You Love #43 The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
4. Come See About Me #1 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
5. How Sweet It Is #6 Marvin Gaye [Hitsville USA (1992)]
6. My Girl #1 The Temptations [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
7. Ask the Lonely #24 The Four Tops [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
8. Shotgun #4 Junior Walker & the All-Stars [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
9. Stop! in the Name of Love #1 The Supremes [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
10. Nowhere to Run #8 Martha & the Vandellas [Hitsville USA (1992)]
11. I'll be Doggone #8 Marvin Gaye [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
12. It's Growing #18 The Temptations [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
13. Ooo Baby Baby #16 The Miracles [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
14. Back in My Arms Again #1 The Supremes [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
15. I Can't Help Myself #1 The Four Tops [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
16. The Tracks of My Tears #16 The Miracles [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
17. Since I Lost My Baby #17 The Temptations [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
18. It's the Same Old Song #5 The Four Tops [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
19. Nothing But Heartaches #11 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
20. Ain't That Peculiar #8 Marvin Gaye [Very Best Of (2001)] 256 kbps
21. My Girl Has Gone #14 The Miracles [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
22. My Baby #13 The Temptations [Anthology (1995)]
23. Don't Look Back #13 The Temptations [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
24. I Hear a Symphony #1 The Supremes [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
25. Something About You #19 The Four Tops [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
CD 3 (1966) [69.36]
[15 Top 10 songs / 3 #1 songs]

1. Uptight #3 Stevie Wonder [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
2. Going to a Go-Go #11 The Miracles [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
3. Don't Mess with Bill #7 Marvelettes [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
4. My World is Empty Without You #5 The Supremes [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
5. My Baby Loves Me #22 Martha & the Vandellas [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
6. This Old Heart of Mine #12 The Isley Brothers [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
7. Shake Me, Wake Me, When It's Over #18 The Four Tops [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
8. Get Ready #29 The Temptations [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
9. Love is Like an Itching In My Heart #9 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
10. Ain't Too Proud to Beg #13 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
11. Blowin' in the Wind #9 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
12. What Becomes of the Brokenhearted #7 Jimmy Ruffin [Hitsville USA (1992)]
13. You Can't Hurry Love #1 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
14. Beauty's Only Skin Deep #3 The Temptations [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
15. Reach Out, I'll Be There #1 The Four Tops [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
16. You Keep Me Hangin' On #1 The Supremes [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
17. I'm Ready For Love #9 Martha & the Vandellas [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
18. A Place in the Sun #9 Stevie Wonder [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
19. (I Know I'm) Losin' You #8 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
20. Standing in the Shadows of Love #6 The Four Tops [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
21. Stop Her On Sight (S.O.S.) #48 Edwin Starr [Soul Master (2002)] 192 kbps
22. Some Day at Christmas Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
23. I Got a Feeling The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
24. Cool Jerk #7 The Capitols & The Funk Brothers [Dick Van Dyke's Dance Party (1995)]

CD 4 (1967) [69.43]
[14 Top 10 songs / 2 #1 songs]

1. It Takes Two #14 Marvin Gaye & Kim Weston [Complete Motown Singles (2006)]
2. The Hunter Gets Captured by the Game #13 Marvelettes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
3. Love is Here and Now You're Gone #1 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
4. The Love I Saw in You Was Just a Mirage #20 The Miracles [Definitive Collection (2008)]
5. Jimmy Mack #10 Martha & the Vandellas [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
6. Bernadette #4 The Four Tops [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
7. The Happening #1 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
8. All I Need #8 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
9. Ain't No Mountain High Enough #19 Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
10. Seven Rooms of Gloom #14 The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
11. More Love #23 The Miracles [Hitsville USA (1992)]
12. I Was Made to Love Her #2 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
13. You're My Everything #6 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
14. Reflections #2 The Supremes [The Motown Box (2005)] 192 kbps
15. You Keep Running Away #19 The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
16. Your Precious Love #5 Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell [Very Best Of (2001)] 256 kbps
17. I'm Wondering #12 Stevie Wonder [At the Close of a Century (1999)]
18. It's You That I Need #14 The Temptations [Anthology (1995)]
19. I Heard it Through the Grapevine #2 Gladys Knight & the Pips [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
20. I Second That Emotion #4 The Miracles [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
21. In and Out of Love #9 The Supremes [Ultimate Collection (1997)] 192 kbps
22. If I Could Build My Whole World Around You #10 Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell [Very Best Of (2001)] 224 kbps
23. I'll Turn to Stone The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
24. Higher and Higher #6 Jackie Wilson & The Funk Brothers [The Soul Story (2007)] 192 kbps

CD 5 (1968-1969) [76.13]
[21 Top 10 songs / 4 #1 songs]

1. I Wish It Would Rain #4 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
2. Shoo-Be-Doo-Be-Doo-Da-Day #9 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
3. Ain't Nothing Like the Real Thing #8 Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell [Very Best Of (2001)] 256 kbps
4. I Could Never Love Another #13 The Temptations [Anthology (1995)]
5. You're All I Need to Get By #7 Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
6. Love Child #1 The Supremes [Hitsville USA (1992)]
7. For Once in My Life #2 Stevie Wonder [Hitsville USA (1992)]
8. Cloud Nine #6 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
9. I Heard it Through the Grapevine #1 Marvin Gaye [Hitsville USA (1992)]
10. I'm Gonna Make You Love Me #2 Temptations & Supremes [The Supremes: Definitive Collection (2009)]
11. Baby, Baby Don't Cry #8 The Miracles [Ultimate Collection (1998)] 192 kbps
12. I'm Livin' in Shame #10 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]
13. My Whole World Ended #9 David Ruffin [Hitsville USA (1992)]
14. Twenty-Five Miles #6 Edwin Starr [Hitsville USA (1992)]
15. Runaway Child, Running Wild #6 The Temptations [Anthology (1995)]
16. Too Busy Thinking About My Baby #4 Marvin Gaye [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
17. Don't Let the Joneses Get You Down #20 The Temptations [Anthology (1995)]
18. What Does it Take #4 Junior Walker & the All-Stars [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
19. My Cherie Amour #4 Stevie Wonder [At the Close of a Century (1999)]
20. I Can't Get Next to You #1 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
21. That's the Way Love Is #7 Marvin Gaye [Very Best Of (2001)] 256 kbps
22. Yester-Me, Yester-You, Yesterday #7 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
23. Someday We'll be Together #1 The Supremes [Definitive Collection (2009)]

CD 6 (1970 + Best of Jackson Five) [72.20]
[16 Top 10 songs / 7 #1 songs]

1. I Want You Back #1 The Jackson Five [Hitsville USA (1992)]
2. Baby, I'm For Real #14 The Originals [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
3. Friendship Train #17 Gladys Knight & the Pips [Definitive Collection (2009)]
4. Psychedelic Shack #7 The Temptations [Anthology (1995)]
5. The Bells #12 The Originals [Hitsville USA (1992)]
6. Up the Ladder to the Roof #10 The Supremes [Hitsville USA (1992)]
7. ABC #1 The Jackson Five [Hitsville USA (1992)]
8. Get Ready #4 Rare Earth [Hitsville USA (1992)]
9. Reach Out and Touch #20 Diana Ross [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
10. Ball of Confusion #3 The Temptations [Ultimate Collection (1997)]
11. The Love You Save #1 The Jackson Five [Hitsville USA (1992)]
12. Signed, Sealed, Delivered I'm Yours #3 Stevie Wonder [Hitsville USA (1992)]
13. War #1 Edwin Starr [Hitsville USA (1992)]
14. It's a Shame #14 The Spinners [Hitsville USA (1992)]
15. Ain't No Mountain High Enough #1 Diana Ross [Hitsville USA (1992)]
16. Still Water #11 The Four Tops [Hitsville USA (1992)]
17. I'll Be There #1 The Jackson Five [Hitsville USA (1992)]
18. Heaven Help Us All #9 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
19. The Tears of a Clown #1 The Miracles [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
20. Mama's Pearl #2 The Jackson Five [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
21. Never Can Say Goodbye #2 The Jackson Five [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
22. Sugar Daddy #10 The Jackson Five [Gold (2005)] 192 kbps

CD 7 (1971-1972) [70.12]
[17 Top 10 songs / 4 #1 songs]

1. Stoned Love #7 The Supremes [Hitsville USA (1992)]
2. If I Were Your Woman #9 Gladys Knight & the Pips [Definitive Collection (2009)]
3. Just My Imagination #1 The Temptations [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
4. What's Going On #2 Marvin Gaye [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
5. We Can Work It Out #13 Stevie Wonder [At the Close of a Century (1999)]
6. Smiling Faces Sometimes #3 The Undisputed Truth [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
7. Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology) #4 Marvin Gaye [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
8. If You Really Love Me #8 Stevie Wonder [At the Close of a Century (1999)]
9. I Just Want to Celebrate #7 Rare Earth [Hitsville USA (1992)]
10. Inner City Blues #9 Marvin Gaye [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
11. Got to Be There #4 Michael Jackson [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
12. Superstar #8 The Temptations [Anthology (1995)]
13. Scorpio #6 Dennis Coffey [unknown album] 256 kbps
14. Rockin' Robin #2 Michael Jackson [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
15. Ben #1 Michael Jackson [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
16. Papa Was a Rollin' Stone #1 The Temptations [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
17. Superstition #1 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
18. Keeper of the Castle #10 The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
19. Trouble Man #7 Marvin Gaye [Very Best Of (2001)] 256 kbps

CD 8 (1973-1974) [73.31]
[17 Top 10 songs / 6 #1 songs]

1. Ain't No Woman #4 The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
2. Masterpiece #7 The Temptations [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
3. You Are the Sunshine of My Life #1 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
4. Neither One of Us #2 Gladys Knight & the Pips [Definitive Collection (2009)]
5. Are You Man Enough #15 The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
6. Touch Me in the Morning #1 Diana Ross [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
7. Let's get It On #1 Marvin Gaye [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
8. Higher Ground #4 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
9. Midnight Train to Georgia #1 Gladys Knight & the Pips [unknown album] 192 kbps
10. Keep On Truckin' #1 Eddie Kendricks [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
11. Living For the City #8 Stevie Wonder [Song Review (1996)] 192 kbps
12. I've Got to Use My Imagination #4 Gladys Knight & the Pips [unknown] 192 kbps
13. Boogie Down #2 Eddie Kendricks [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
14. Don't You Worry 'Bout a Thing #16 Stevie Wonder [Innervisions]
15. Dancing Machine #2 The Jackson Five [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
16. Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me #3 Gladys Knight & the Pips [unknown] 192 kbps
17. You Haven't Done Nothin' #1 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
18. On and On #5 Gladys Knight & the Pips [unknown album] 192 kbps
19. Boogie On Reggae Woman #3 Stevie Wonder [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]

CD 9 (1975-1979) [71.09]
[14 Top 10 songs / 7 #1 songs]

1. Theme From Mahogany #1 Diana Ross [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
2. Walk Away From Love #9 David Ruffin [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]
3. A Quiet Storm Smokey Robinson [unknown album]
4. I Wish #1 Stevie Wonder [Songs in the Key of Life]
5. Love Hangover #1 Diana Ross [Motown 50 (2008)]
6. Sir Duke #1 Stevie Wonder [Songs in the Key of Life]
7. Enjoy Yourself #6 The Jacksons [Playlist: Very Best Of (2009)]
8. Got to Give It Up, Part I #1 Marvin Gaye [unknown album] 192 kbps
9. Shake Your Body #7 The Jacksons [Playlist: Very Best Of (2009)] 256 kbps
10. Cruisin' #4 Smokey Robinson [unknown album] 160 kbps
11. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough #1 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)]
12. Off the Wall #10 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)]
13. Send One Your Love #4 Stevie Wonder [The Secret Life of Plants]
14. Rock With You #1 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)]
15. She's Out of My Life #10 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)] 224 kbps

CD 10 (1980-1984) [67.03]
[13 Top 10 songs / 5 #1 songs]

1. Master Blaster (Jammin') #5 Stevie Wonder [Song Review (1996)] 192 kbps
2. Lovely One #12 The Jacksons [Playlist: Very Best Of (2009)]
3. When She Was My Girl #11 The Four Tops [50th Anniversary Anthology (2004)]
4. Endless Love #1 Diana Ross & Lionel Richie [100 Hits of the 80s] 192 kbps
5. Being With You #2 Smokey Robinson [unknown album] 192 kbps
6. Ebony and Ivory #1 Stevie Wonder & Paul McCartney[Song Review (1996)] 192 kbps
7. Sexual Healing #3 Marvin Gaye [Very Best Of (2001)] 256 kbps
8. That Girl #4 Stevie Wonder [At the Close of a Century (1999)] 192 kbps
9. The Girl is Mine #2 Michael Jackson & Paul McCartney [The Collection (2009)]
10. Billie Jean #1 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)]
11. Beat It #1 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)]
12. P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing) #10 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)]
13. Thriller #4 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)]
14. I Just Called to say "I Love You" #1 Stevie Wonder [Song Review (1996)] 192 kbps
15. State of Shock #3 The Jacksons & Mick Jagger [Playlist: Very Best Of (2009)]

CD 11 (1985-1998) [55.16]
[11 Top 10 songs / 7 #1 songs]

1. Part-Time Lover #1 Stevie Wonder [Song Review (1996)] 192 kbps
2. That's What Friends Are For #1 Dionne Warwick, Stevie Wonder, Gladys Knight, & Elton John [unknown album] 128 kbps
3. Go Home #10 Stevie Wonder [At the Close of a Century (1999)] 192 kbps
4. Just to See Her #8 Smokey Robinson [One Heartbeat]
5. I Just Can't Stop Loving You #1 Michael Jackson & Siedah Garrett [The Collection (2009)] 192 kbps
6. One Heartbeat #10 Smokey Robinson [One Heartbeat]
7. The Way You Make Me Feel #1 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)]
8. Man in the Mirror #1 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)] 195 kbps
9. The Motown Song #10 Rod Stewart & The Temptations [Vagabond Heart] 160 kbps
10. Black or White #1 Michael Jackson [The Collection (2009)] 256 kbps
11. You Are Not Alone #1 Michael Jackson [unknown album] 256 kbps
12. Stay The Temptations [Complete Motown #1s (2008)]