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May 22, 2014
What is original about Superman and Batman
Non-superhero fans might not see much difference between Superman and Spider-Man and Everyotherman.
They probably don’t know that Superman is generally considered the world’s first superhero and that Batman followed less than a year after.
Why did Superman and Batman endure to this day but no action figures or film franchises came calling for, say, the Enchanted Dagger and Micro-Face?
To be sure, not every original character has a long life, and not every character who has a long life has it because of originality…but I do think Superman and Batman’s originality contributed to their success.
Multiple external factors contributed to the longevity of the Man of Steel and the Dark Knight, but here are conceptual reasons.
What was original about Superman:
first comic book character with powers, costume, and secret identity (all three elements existed before, but not in a single character)unfamiliar figure in familiar setting (prior to Superman, science fiction commonly portrayed humans visiting other worlds—we were the strangers in a strange land)civilian, not hero, was the fabricated identitya superhuman who was benevolent, not alienated or power-mad
What was original about Batman:
Batman was not the first do-gooder without powers. He was also not the first hero who was orphaned as child, not the first to wear a costume, not the first to have a secret identity, and not even the first with blanks for eyes.
Yet he was the first hero in comic books whose orphaning inspired his heroism—i.e. the first with a psychological reason to wage war on crime.
Of pre-Batman costumed heroes the Scarlet Pimpernel, Tarzan, Zorro, Gladiator, the Green Hornet, Doc Savage, the Phantom, the Shadow, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, and the Spider, none appear to be driven by vengeance or grief rooted in childhood; the Lone Ranger’s brother was killed, but both were already adult.
Also, Batman was a hero who looked like a villain and a vigilante who was also a detective.
Both Superman and Batman synthesized qualities from previous figures of literature, film, and myth to create something that felt utterly new.
They probably don’t know that Superman is generally considered the world’s first superhero and that Batman followed less than a year after.
Why did Superman and Batman endure to this day but no action figures or film franchises came calling for, say, the Enchanted Dagger and Micro-Face?
To be sure, not every original character has a long life, and not every character who has a long life has it because of originality…but I do think Superman and Batman’s originality contributed to their success.
Multiple external factors contributed to the longevity of the Man of Steel and the Dark Knight, but here are conceptual reasons.
What was original about Superman:
first comic book character with powers, costume, and secret identity (all three elements existed before, but not in a single character)unfamiliar figure in familiar setting (prior to Superman, science fiction commonly portrayed humans visiting other worlds—we were the strangers in a strange land)civilian, not hero, was the fabricated identitya superhuman who was benevolent, not alienated or power-mad
What was original about Batman:
Batman was not the first do-gooder without powers. He was also not the first hero who was orphaned as child, not the first to wear a costume, not the first to have a secret identity, and not even the first with blanks for eyes.
Yet he was the first hero in comic books whose orphaning inspired his heroism—i.e. the first with a psychological reason to wage war on crime.
Of pre-Batman costumed heroes the Scarlet Pimpernel, Tarzan, Zorro, Gladiator, the Green Hornet, Doc Savage, the Phantom, the Shadow, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, and the Spider, none appear to be driven by vengeance or grief rooted in childhood; the Lone Ranger’s brother was killed, but both were already adult.
Also, Batman was a hero who looked like a villain and a vigilante who was also a detective.
Both Superman and Batman synthesized qualities from previous figures of literature, film, and myth to create something that felt utterly new.
May 20, 2014
Authors to Oklahoma after the tornado
A year ago today, as no one needs reminding, a tornado struck Moore, OK, leveling two elementary schools (Briarwood and Plaza Towers) among, of course, many other buildings.
When I saw this heartbreaking graphic, I felt I had to try to do more than donate to the Red Cross.
Plaza Towers Elementary School, before and after
I wanted to replicate the moving kidlit author variety show we did for the students of Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT on 2/12/13.
On 5/22/13, I put out a similar call to authors I knew and as before, many responded ready to participate. With Sandy Hook, I asked authors within driving distance to make the logistics easier, but with Moore, I cast a nationwide net because I did not know any authors who lived nearby; we would all have to fly there.
The same day, I also emailed administrators in Moore, expressing condolences, keeping it short, and acknowledging that I understood that they had 1,000 more pressing priorities at the moment. I just wanted to slip our little offer into the mix early. I couldn’t get the emails from their district site; it (for the obvious sad reason) would not load.
On 5/27/13, I heard back from Moore: they were interested, and three principals had volunteered to head up the effort. I explained that this would be contingent on support from our publishers (and beyond; see below) and they understood.
When we discussed potential dates on 5/31/13, we had to cut it short because another bad storm was on the way in the Moore area. Luckily, it was not anywhere near the strength of the 5/20/13 monster.
On 6/7/13, we settled on 8/29/13 as the date—part of a positive back-to-school kickoff.
Then I set out to do something I never had to do before: secure corporate sponsorship. I couldn’t well invite a bunch of authors to shoulder the travel costs to get to OK; well, I could, and many would probably have been willing and able, but I felt it would be easier all around if I could go back to the authors with donated flights and hotel rooms to make the process more feasible.
As I explained in my pitch to airlines, the authors are donating time, we are asking our publishers to donate books and as much as they can toward travel expenses, and we are looking for an airline to donate our flights.
One hotel generously offered a couple of rooms—and you can imagine how many requests they got in the wake of the disaster—but we would be a group of at least 20. In any case, I didn’t get anywhere with airlines, though the one that did respond was kind. With heavy heart, I had to go back to the Moore principals and tell them that I was unable to pull it together. They could not have been more gracious about it, though I still felt horribly.
I have plenty of tricks to learn, but hope I won’t need them.
When I saw this heartbreaking graphic, I felt I had to try to do more than donate to the Red Cross.
Plaza Towers Elementary School, before and afterI wanted to replicate the moving kidlit author variety show we did for the students of Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT on 2/12/13.
On 5/22/13, I put out a similar call to authors I knew and as before, many responded ready to participate. With Sandy Hook, I asked authors within driving distance to make the logistics easier, but with Moore, I cast a nationwide net because I did not know any authors who lived nearby; we would all have to fly there.
The same day, I also emailed administrators in Moore, expressing condolences, keeping it short, and acknowledging that I understood that they had 1,000 more pressing priorities at the moment. I just wanted to slip our little offer into the mix early. I couldn’t get the emails from their district site; it (for the obvious sad reason) would not load.
On 5/27/13, I heard back from Moore: they were interested, and three principals had volunteered to head up the effort. I explained that this would be contingent on support from our publishers (and beyond; see below) and they understood.
When we discussed potential dates on 5/31/13, we had to cut it short because another bad storm was on the way in the Moore area. Luckily, it was not anywhere near the strength of the 5/20/13 monster.
On 6/7/13, we settled on 8/29/13 as the date—part of a positive back-to-school kickoff.
Then I set out to do something I never had to do before: secure corporate sponsorship. I couldn’t well invite a bunch of authors to shoulder the travel costs to get to OK; well, I could, and many would probably have been willing and able, but I felt it would be easier all around if I could go back to the authors with donated flights and hotel rooms to make the process more feasible.
As I explained in my pitch to airlines, the authors are donating time, we are asking our publishers to donate books and as much as they can toward travel expenses, and we are looking for an airline to donate our flights.
One hotel generously offered a couple of rooms—and you can imagine how many requests they got in the wake of the disaster—but we would be a group of at least 20. In any case, I didn’t get anywhere with airlines, though the one that did respond was kind. With heavy heart, I had to go back to the Moore principals and tell them that I was unable to pull it together. They could not have been more gracious about it, though I still felt horribly.
I have plenty of tricks to learn, but hope I won’t need them.
May 19, 2014
Which "New Yorker" covers featured DC Comics superheroes?
The New Yorker, to which I have been a subscriber since high school, debuted in 1925.
DC Comics, of which I have been a reader except high school, was founded in 1934.
Two American publishing institutions.
With regard to the coveted New Yorker cover, when have the two overlapped?
Only three times that I know of.
7/17/95; look closely and you will see Superman(Peter de Sève)
4/17/99 Plastic Man (Art Spiegelman)
11/1/10 I count four (plus two Marvel heroes):
Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman,
Spider-Man, Hulk(Ivan Brunetti)
(Plastic Man was originally published by Quality Comics, but DC acquired him in 1956.)
Thanks to Sean Howe for remembering the third.
DC Comics, of which I have been a reader except high school, was founded in 1934.
Two American publishing institutions.
With regard to the coveted New Yorker cover, when have the two overlapped?
Only three times that I know of.
7/17/95; look closely and you will see Superman(Peter de Sève)
4/17/99 Plastic Man (Art Spiegelman)
11/1/10 I count four (plus two Marvel heroes): Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman,
Spider-Man, Hulk(Ivan Brunetti)
(Plastic Man was originally published by Quality Comics, but DC acquired him in 1956.)
Thanks to Sean Howe for remembering the third.
May 18, 2014
See the voices of Black Vulcan and Samurai
In 2011, I had the privilege of interviewing many voice actors and other talent behind my favorite cartoon of my youth (okay, who am I kidding—of my all time): Super Friends.
Around the same time, the first-ever figures of Black Vulcan and Apache Chief came out as part of the Justice League Unlimited line, packaged together with Samurai, who’d had a figure in the Super Powers line of the 1980s.
I bought two sets of the three figures—one for me (no shame) and one to divvy up and send to the men whose voices lent life to these characters: Buster Jones (Black Vulcan), Jack Angel (Samurai), and Michael Rye (Apache Chief).
The first two gamely gave me their addresses, but Michael was considerably older and in poor health so I didn’t want to trouble him.
Off went the Black Vulcan and Samurai figures (while their cartoon inspirations had the natural ability of flight, these versions flew via USPS).
But it was only recently that I went back to Buster and Black Vulcan and Jack and Samurai to ask for them to pose like this:
Obviously not only good actors but also good sports.
Huge thanks to my longtime friend Mike Fox for sparing Buster the awkward task of taking a selfie while holding a toy.
(Michael Rye died 9/21/12. RIP Apache Lantern.)
Around the same time, the first-ever figures of Black Vulcan and Apache Chief came out as part of the Justice League Unlimited line, packaged together with Samurai, who’d had a figure in the Super Powers line of the 1980s.
I bought two sets of the three figures—one for me (no shame) and one to divvy up and send to the men whose voices lent life to these characters: Buster Jones (Black Vulcan), Jack Angel (Samurai), and Michael Rye (Apache Chief).
The first two gamely gave me their addresses, but Michael was considerably older and in poor health so I didn’t want to trouble him.
Off went the Black Vulcan and Samurai figures (while their cartoon inspirations had the natural ability of flight, these versions flew via USPS).
But it was only recently that I went back to Buster and Black Vulcan and Jack and Samurai to ask for them to pose like this:
Obviously not only good actors but also good sports.
Huge thanks to my longtime friend Mike Fox for sparing Buster the awkward task of taking a selfie while holding a toy.
(Michael Rye died 9/21/12. RIP Apache Lantern.)
May 16, 2014
Pakistani teacher got his tablet PC, but…
In March 2014, I put out a call to raise money to buy and send a tablet PC to a teacher in Pakistan who emailed me about the pathetic (his word) state of education there.
My network came through and then some, which means Tayyab gets his tablet and then some (namely a Bluetooth keyboard and a case).
In exchange for the computer shown above, Tayyab agreed to send me photos of himself and his students with said computer.
Tayyab; three of his students are below
Thank you again to the following for contributing (many of whom generously disregarded my request for donations of $5):
Lara N.
Rafael N.
Cristina P.
Michelle B.
Shira R.
Judy P.
Becca L.
Karen Y.
Bruce S.
Kristin C.
Mandee J.
Alison S.
Lauren D.
Paula Y.
Brad R.
Adam G.
Karen C.
Deborah M.
Candice G.
Anne K.
Elizabeth S.
Jennifer M.
Dara K.
Judy S.
David L.
Donna B.
Brett C.
But there is a “but.”
Though I sent the tablet on 3/25/14, customs held up delivery until 5/8/14.
And not without cost.
Tayyab had to pay 15,631 Pakistani rupees in duties and taxes...
...plus 7,391 in storage and civil aviation charges, none of which could have been calculated and paid for up front along with shipping.
In dollars, this totals more than $230—and therefore more than the cost of the tablet itself ($200 before tax, not to mention the $192 to FedEx it).
I asked Tayyab what his monthly salary is.
He said 20,000 Pakistani rupees—about $203.
He had to take out a loan just to receive this shipment, adding
So the tablet he asked me to send for his students ended up costing him more than if he had just bought it himself.
And I feel horribly.
So I’d like to work together again to reimburse Tayyab for these charges.
I’m asking the same as before: if you would like to help, please simply PayPal me $5; to do that, you don’t need a PayPal account yourself. All you need is approximately 27 seconds and my email, mtnobleman@gmail.com.
To pay off Tayyab’s debt, let’s make it an even $250. That’s only 50 people contributing only $5. (Of course, should you wish to give more, that will be gladly welcomed.)
Like the last round of fundraising, once we hit the goal, I’ll stop accepting donations.
Thank you for whatever you are willing to do.
And in any case, Tayyab and his students do have a device that he thinks will make a significant difference in his work, and their future.
My network came through and then some, which means Tayyab gets his tablet and then some (namely a Bluetooth keyboard and a case).
In exchange for the computer shown above, Tayyab agreed to send me photos of himself and his students with said computer.
Tayyab; three of his students are below
Thank you again to the following for contributing (many of whom generously disregarded my request for donations of $5):
Lara N.
Rafael N.
Cristina P.
Michelle B.
Shira R.
Judy P.
Becca L.
Karen Y.
Bruce S.
Kristin C.
Mandee J.
Alison S.
Lauren D.
Paula Y.
Brad R.
Adam G.
Karen C.
Deborah M.
Candice G.
Anne K.
Elizabeth S.
Jennifer M.
Dara K.
Judy S.
David L.
Donna B.
Brett C.
But there is a “but.”
Though I sent the tablet on 3/25/14, customs held up delivery until 5/8/14.
And not without cost.
Tayyab had to pay 15,631 Pakistani rupees in duties and taxes...
...plus 7,391 in storage and civil aviation charges, none of which could have been calculated and paid for up front along with shipping.
In dollars, this totals more than $230—and therefore more than the cost of the tablet itself ($200 before tax, not to mention the $192 to FedEx it).
I asked Tayyab what his monthly salary is.
He said 20,000 Pakistani rupees—about $203.
He had to take out a loan just to receive this shipment, adding
Marc I am the breadwinner for my family. I just requested you the Tablet PC so that it can facilitate ELT [English Language Teaching] over here. I am myself giving interviews for IELTS tutor but there are not much students in institutes so I do not get appropriate salary. I am still trying everyday as I really believe in POSITIVE THINKING! I know I just request you always of certain things but I see HOPE in your being.
So the tablet he asked me to send for his students ended up costing him more than if he had just bought it himself.
And I feel horribly.
So I’d like to work together again to reimburse Tayyab for these charges.
I’m asking the same as before: if you would like to help, please simply PayPal me $5; to do that, you don’t need a PayPal account yourself. All you need is approximately 27 seconds and my email, mtnobleman@gmail.com.
To pay off Tayyab’s debt, let’s make it an even $250. That’s only 50 people contributing only $5. (Of course, should you wish to give more, that will be gladly welcomed.)
Like the last round of fundraising, once we hit the goal, I’ll stop accepting donations.
Thank you for whatever you are willing to do.
And in any case, Tayyab and his students do have a device that he thinks will make a significant difference in his work, and their future.
May 14, 2014
Bill Finger, Michael Uslan, and the inspiration for “Gotham”
The clever Michael Uslan(producer of every movie with Batman in it since 1989) had a brainstorm to hunt for a fun—and pivotal—piece of cultural history.
Bill Finger
Bill Finger
Bill Finger, Michael Uslan, and the inspiration for "Gotham"
The clever Michael Uslan(producer of every movie with Batman in it since 1989) had a brainstorm to hunt for a fun—and pivotal—piece of cultural history.
Bill Finger
Bill Finger
May 13, 2014
Nonfiction picture book narrative trajectory
I didn’t consciously notice this while writing it, but Bill the Boy Wonder: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman doesn’t follow a traditional nonfiction picture book story arc.
Conventionally it’s this:
young protagonist finds callingslightly older protagonist struggles to pursue callingadult protagonist ultimately succeeds
Bill the Boy Wonder rolls this way:
slightly older protagonist finds callingslightly older protagonist struggles to pursue callingolder protagonist succeeds on one level but dies poor, alone, and unheralded
Described that way, it sure sounds like a bummer of a story. But it has to be, because that is how it really happened. My job is to capture the truth as best as possible, even when that truth is sad. Even when the “hero” loses. For young people, there is, of course, value in that reading about that kind of life trajectory as well. (And there are some fun/inspirational moments throughout.)
Also unusually for a nonfiction picture book, Bill the Boy Wonder ends with the hope (and hint) that the story may not yet be over. I suppose this is what is meant by meta: in doing the book, the real-life “ending” may change.
I’m sure there are other exceptions to the traditional nonfiction picture book narrative arc, though none to come to mind. Do you know any?
Conventionally it’s this:
young protagonist finds callingslightly older protagonist struggles to pursue callingadult protagonist ultimately succeeds
Bill the Boy Wonder rolls this way:
slightly older protagonist finds callingslightly older protagonist struggles to pursue callingolder protagonist succeeds on one level but dies poor, alone, and unheralded
Described that way, it sure sounds like a bummer of a story. But it has to be, because that is how it really happened. My job is to capture the truth as best as possible, even when that truth is sad. Even when the “hero” loses. For young people, there is, of course, value in that reading about that kind of life trajectory as well. (And there are some fun/inspirational moments throughout.)
Also unusually for a nonfiction picture book, Bill the Boy Wonder ends with the hope (and hint) that the story may not yet be over. I suppose this is what is meant by meta: in doing the book, the real-life “ending” may change.
I’m sure there are other exceptions to the traditional nonfiction picture book narrative arc, though none to come to mind. Do you know any?
May 12, 2014
Three-minute clip from "Batman at 75" panel at the Paley Center
On 5/5/14, I had the honor of joining Michael Uslan, Chip Kidd, Kevin Smith, and Kevin Conroy on a panel I also had the honor to name (and recap), “Batman at 75: To All a Dark Knight.”
The Paley does not post complete panels; here are the only three minutes you may get online:
The Paley does not post complete panels; here are the only three minutes you may get online:
May 11, 2014
Interview with (another) granddaughter of Wonder Woman’s creator
At a 2013 Virginia school visit, I met Nancy Wykoff, a teacher who is also the granddaughter of William Moulton Marston, the creator of Wonder Woman. Marston lived with two women—his wife Elizabeth and another woman with whom he also had an intimate relationship, Olive.
Olive (in bracelets), Joye Hummel Murchison, Elizabeth, William
Nancy is the granddaughter of William and Olive, and she kindly granted me an interview, her first.
As a companion (and sometimes contradictory) piece, Christie Marston, granddaughter of William and Elizabeth and a curator of the Wonder Woman Network, also kindly granted me an interview.
Your grandfather died in 1947 so I presume you never met him?
Correct—he died before I was born.
According to family who knew him, what kind of person was he?
Intelligent, wide open to “outside the box” thinking, and charismatic.
Any funny stories about him? In particular any funny Wonder Woman-related stories?
Really nothing Wonder Woman related, aside from his habit of digging in his heels and refusing to make her something other than his own creation.
Do you know what inspired him to create Wonder Woman?
Sure…my grandmother. Ha! (The story goes that Charlie Gaines suggested, partly in jest, that William Moulton Marston write a comic. WMM went home and spoke with Gram; she said yes, but that it had to be a woman hero as there were already plenty of males. Thus Wonder Woman.)
William and Elizabeth
What amuses me today is that DC seems to have forgotten that Wonder Woman was created by a psychologist hired to help them succeed, not by one of their regular writers. The different perspective resulted in a different type of character, and it was a very successful venture. Yet now they’ve pretty much thrown away all that made Wonder Woman work so well—after paying for that psychological advice. WMM’s DISC theory is still in strong use today, so we know that his psych theories are not outdated…maybe they need to review their thinking a bit?
Do you know about any controversy he had to deal with surrounding Wonder Woman?
Just the ongoing battle to stick to his own creation.
Do you what his opinion of Wonder Woman was?
I believe that he wrote Wonder Woman as his ideal woman/person.
Is Wonder Woman mentioned on his gravestone?
I’ve never seen his gravestone (Gram was very sorry that she caved and allowed him to be buried rather than cremated; certainly wasn’t into hanging out graveside), but I cannot imagine even a slim possibility that Wonder Woman would be mentioned. [NOTE: It appears he has no gravestone.]
What do you do for a living?
At this moment in time, I get to play with Wonder Woman! (Okay, so it’s not exactly a living, but it is what I do.)
My father started collecting Wonder Woman memorabilia about 14 years ago and amassed so much that [he] needed a museum to house the collection. I’ve spent the past five years organizing and displaying all the fun Wonder Woman goodies! I was astounded by the volume and variety of Wonder Woman stuff.
Due to my quirks, I couldn’t just put things on shelves; I had to know what everything was and when/where it came from. Naturally, the more I learned, the more I knew what was missing… (Dad likely rues the day he got me involved!)
Dad also wanted a website to show his museum, so I’ve learned a little about website building as well. And since it is really about Wonder Woman, I couldn’t possibly just let it be pics of memorabilia… (Uh huh, that one rollerballed too!)
What is the oldest piece of Wonder Woman memorabilia you own?
Harry Peter sketches from the early 1940s, which amused me enough to have hung them on my living room wall for about 30 years. Aside from that, I have a giant Wonder Woman clock from 1978 and a watch from 1977; Gram had received them as sample Wonder Woman merchandise from DC and thought—correctly—that I would enjoy them.
I was told that your family still owns Wonder Woman. Does that mean that DC Comics needs the family’s approval for all Wonder Woman stories and products?
No, DC/Warner Bros. has full artistic control. The Marston family has zero input. Since Gram died in 1993, DC has been delighted with the silence from the family… (Hahaha—you’ve hit on one of my pet peeves! I would most certainly not be quiet if I had the choice; that decision, however, is not mine to make.)
Elizabeth
Do you pay attention to the narrative changes DC has made to the character?
I gave up comics for novels when I was six or seven. I picked up a Wonder Woman comic in the early 1970s, burst out laughing at what she had become, and did not repeat the experience all too frequently.
Since returning to the Wonder Woman world, I have—primarily from my very well-versed Wonder Woman friends—learned much of what happened over the years. Some I’ve read, some I’ve glossed over.
Strangely, though, I am a big fan of a few Wonder Woman writers and artists; people who clearly grasp the “real” Wonder Woman. For me, that would be Wonder Woman from the original comics. (When I was three, we would go visit Gram in NYC; after hellos, I ran for the bookcase holding the bound comics and spent the entire time immersed in those books. To me, Gram and Wonder Woman are pretty much the same person. Not surprisingly, I get annoyed when I see Wonder Woman mired in angst and anger and petty thinking…that’s not the real Wonder Woman!)
Tim Hanley’s new book Wonder Woman Unbound gives a great evolution of Wonder Woman’s character over the years, and relates it to the mood of the moment very well. (That was the book I needed five years ago!)
Who would you like to see play Wonder Woman in a movie?
Honestly, I’m pretty useless in the celebrity knowledge department. I couldn’t possibly speak with any authority on known actresses.
The actress needs to look the part, of course, but what matters most to me is her attitude. Nobody—regardless of how skilled—can “act” ethics. They either have ‘em or don’t. Wonder Woman requires a person who has integrity, intelligence, and a sense of humor—and actually cares about the world and its inhabitants. Attitude always leaks through.
Were you ever Wonder Woman for Halloween?
No.
What do the kids in the family think of the family’s connection to Wonder Woman?
Fun!
What is your relationship with Nancy Wykoff, granddaughter of Olive?
Nancy is my cousin. I met her only a couple of times but of course “knew” her through Gram. Gram and Dots (Nancy’s grandmother) kept the family connected. I can say, however, that I wish I did live closer because I was totally taken with her intelligence and sense of humor when we last met (which matches entirely with the story Gram related of Nancy’s junior high principal having fits about the essay Nancy wrote concerning a very popular religious story…).
Have you been interviewed before about this?
I have.
Anything you’d like to add?
Yes. A little side note on why Wonder Woman matters.
Due to some very out-of-character depictions of Wonder Woman a few years ago, I got together with some Wonder Woman friends and started Share the Wonder, a project to collect messages from Wonder Woman fans worldwide telling why Wonder Woman holds a special place in their hearts. The results have been amazingly consistent, despite the enormous diversity of her fans.
My summary thoughts after reading the Wonder Woman messages:
What makes Wonder Woman unique? And why is she still “alive”?
She’s real to people. A hero. A comfort. A friend. An inspiration. A role model who actually does make the world a better place.
The true life stories that I’ve been reading are mind-blowing. [They are from] very different people; very diverse. Age, gender, politics, race, religious preference, sexual orientation, education, economic and social class all go by the wayside.
The common theme to almost all can be summed up simply [this]: human values. People want and need someone in their lives who represents and upholds values which are dear to them. People are sick of war and misery and lies and suffering; sickened by all of man’s inhumanity to man. People want a role model who points the way to a better life.
Wonder Woman has been that someone for generations. She has inspired individuals to be their best. She has solaced and encouraged. She has helped people make that extra effort.
Wonder Woman may have started out as pen and ink on a comic page, but she has become a very real—and very valuable—part of our world.
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Olive (in bracelets), Joye Hummel Murchison, Elizabeth, WilliamNancy is the granddaughter of William and Olive, and she kindly granted me an interview, her first.
As a companion (and sometimes contradictory) piece, Christie Marston, granddaughter of William and Elizabeth and a curator of the Wonder Woman Network, also kindly granted me an interview.
Your grandfather died in 1947 so I presume you never met him?
Correct—he died before I was born.
According to family who knew him, what kind of person was he?
Intelligent, wide open to “outside the box” thinking, and charismatic.
Any funny stories about him? In particular any funny Wonder Woman-related stories?
Really nothing Wonder Woman related, aside from his habit of digging in his heels and refusing to make her something other than his own creation.
Do you know what inspired him to create Wonder Woman?
Sure…my grandmother. Ha! (The story goes that Charlie Gaines suggested, partly in jest, that William Moulton Marston write a comic. WMM went home and spoke with Gram; she said yes, but that it had to be a woman hero as there were already plenty of males. Thus Wonder Woman.)
William and ElizabethWhat amuses me today is that DC seems to have forgotten that Wonder Woman was created by a psychologist hired to help them succeed, not by one of their regular writers. The different perspective resulted in a different type of character, and it was a very successful venture. Yet now they’ve pretty much thrown away all that made Wonder Woman work so well—after paying for that psychological advice. WMM’s DISC theory is still in strong use today, so we know that his psych theories are not outdated…maybe they need to review their thinking a bit?
Do you know about any controversy he had to deal with surrounding Wonder Woman?
Just the ongoing battle to stick to his own creation.
Do you what his opinion of Wonder Woman was?
I believe that he wrote Wonder Woman as his ideal woman/person.
Is Wonder Woman mentioned on his gravestone?
I’ve never seen his gravestone (Gram was very sorry that she caved and allowed him to be buried rather than cremated; certainly wasn’t into hanging out graveside), but I cannot imagine even a slim possibility that Wonder Woman would be mentioned. [NOTE: It appears he has no gravestone.]
What do you do for a living?
At this moment in time, I get to play with Wonder Woman! (Okay, so it’s not exactly a living, but it is what I do.)
My father started collecting Wonder Woman memorabilia about 14 years ago and amassed so much that [he] needed a museum to house the collection. I’ve spent the past five years organizing and displaying all the fun Wonder Woman goodies! I was astounded by the volume and variety of Wonder Woman stuff.
Due to my quirks, I couldn’t just put things on shelves; I had to know what everything was and when/where it came from. Naturally, the more I learned, the more I knew what was missing… (Dad likely rues the day he got me involved!)
Dad also wanted a website to show his museum, so I’ve learned a little about website building as well. And since it is really about Wonder Woman, I couldn’t possibly just let it be pics of memorabilia… (Uh huh, that one rollerballed too!)
What is the oldest piece of Wonder Woman memorabilia you own?
Harry Peter sketches from the early 1940s, which amused me enough to have hung them on my living room wall for about 30 years. Aside from that, I have a giant Wonder Woman clock from 1978 and a watch from 1977; Gram had received them as sample Wonder Woman merchandise from DC and thought—correctly—that I would enjoy them.
I was told that your family still owns Wonder Woman. Does that mean that DC Comics needs the family’s approval for all Wonder Woman stories and products?
No, DC/Warner Bros. has full artistic control. The Marston family has zero input. Since Gram died in 1993, DC has been delighted with the silence from the family… (Hahaha—you’ve hit on one of my pet peeves! I would most certainly not be quiet if I had the choice; that decision, however, is not mine to make.)
ElizabethDo you pay attention to the narrative changes DC has made to the character?
I gave up comics for novels when I was six or seven. I picked up a Wonder Woman comic in the early 1970s, burst out laughing at what she had become, and did not repeat the experience all too frequently.
Since returning to the Wonder Woman world, I have—primarily from my very well-versed Wonder Woman friends—learned much of what happened over the years. Some I’ve read, some I’ve glossed over.
Strangely, though, I am a big fan of a few Wonder Woman writers and artists; people who clearly grasp the “real” Wonder Woman. For me, that would be Wonder Woman from the original comics. (When I was three, we would go visit Gram in NYC; after hellos, I ran for the bookcase holding the bound comics and spent the entire time immersed in those books. To me, Gram and Wonder Woman are pretty much the same person. Not surprisingly, I get annoyed when I see Wonder Woman mired in angst and anger and petty thinking…that’s not the real Wonder Woman!)
Tim Hanley’s new book Wonder Woman Unbound gives a great evolution of Wonder Woman’s character over the years, and relates it to the mood of the moment very well. (That was the book I needed five years ago!)
Who would you like to see play Wonder Woman in a movie?
Honestly, I’m pretty useless in the celebrity knowledge department. I couldn’t possibly speak with any authority on known actresses.
The actress needs to look the part, of course, but what matters most to me is her attitude. Nobody—regardless of how skilled—can “act” ethics. They either have ‘em or don’t. Wonder Woman requires a person who has integrity, intelligence, and a sense of humor—and actually cares about the world and its inhabitants. Attitude always leaks through.
Were you ever Wonder Woman for Halloween?
No.
What do the kids in the family think of the family’s connection to Wonder Woman?
Fun!
What is your relationship with Nancy Wykoff, granddaughter of Olive?
Nancy is my cousin. I met her only a couple of times but of course “knew” her through Gram. Gram and Dots (Nancy’s grandmother) kept the family connected. I can say, however, that I wish I did live closer because I was totally taken with her intelligence and sense of humor when we last met (which matches entirely with the story Gram related of Nancy’s junior high principal having fits about the essay Nancy wrote concerning a very popular religious story…).
Have you been interviewed before about this?
I have.
Anything you’d like to add?
Yes. A little side note on why Wonder Woman matters.
Due to some very out-of-character depictions of Wonder Woman a few years ago, I got together with some Wonder Woman friends and started Share the Wonder, a project to collect messages from Wonder Woman fans worldwide telling why Wonder Woman holds a special place in their hearts. The results have been amazingly consistent, despite the enormous diversity of her fans.
My summary thoughts after reading the Wonder Woman messages:
What makes Wonder Woman unique? And why is she still “alive”?
She’s real to people. A hero. A comfort. A friend. An inspiration. A role model who actually does make the world a better place.
The true life stories that I’ve been reading are mind-blowing. [They are from] very different people; very diverse. Age, gender, politics, race, religious preference, sexual orientation, education, economic and social class all go by the wayside.
The common theme to almost all can be summed up simply [this]: human values. People want and need someone in their lives who represents and upholds values which are dear to them. People are sick of war and misery and lies and suffering; sickened by all of man’s inhumanity to man. People want a role model who points the way to a better life.
Wonder Woman has been that someone for generations. She has inspired individuals to be their best. She has solaced and encouraged. She has helped people make that extra effort.
Wonder Woman may have started out as pen and ink on a comic page, but she has become a very real—and very valuable—part of our world.
