Roz Kaveney's Blog, page 3
November 10, 2016
After an election
And so we start again. Our friends will die
And many others whom we'll never meet
Selfharm intoxication will seem sweet
Sweeter than going on. Each time we'll cry.
And never stop. Nor take an easy road
Accomodation tiny increment
Will take you places that we never meant
Our soul flake slowly and our heart corrode
And never hope to win. It's not a game
It is a dance. Reach out and clutch a hand.
Harmony music though there is no band.
Move stately forward. It may be the same
Whether we live, are killed. Unflinching eyes
Each one that falls another hundred rise.
Live on to spite them. In the tatters dance
That they have stripped you to. Sing out the doom
That they have summoned. In this world no room
For all their wrongnesses. Come fate and lance
The boil of their delusion. Stinking pus
Will pour like torrent. But for now it swells
Condemning us to fifty different hells.
They are the problem but they think it's us.
Strawhead and sore prick nose and button eyes
Bully and scarecrow, fox ghost evil clown.
Will tear politeness kindness up and down.
High seat abominable. No surprise
Lord misrule of dead world they raised this night.
We will survive if only out of spite.
And many others whom we'll never meet
Selfharm intoxication will seem sweet
Sweeter than going on. Each time we'll cry.
And never stop. Nor take an easy road
Accomodation tiny increment
Will take you places that we never meant
Our soul flake slowly and our heart corrode
And never hope to win. It's not a game
It is a dance. Reach out and clutch a hand.
Harmony music though there is no band.
Move stately forward. It may be the same
Whether we live, are killed. Unflinching eyes
Each one that falls another hundred rise.
Live on to spite them. In the tatters dance
That they have stripped you to. Sing out the doom
That they have summoned. In this world no room
For all their wrongnesses. Come fate and lance
The boil of their delusion. Stinking pus
Will pour like torrent. But for now it swells
Condemning us to fifty different hells.
They are the problem but they think it's us.
Strawhead and sore prick nose and button eyes
Bully and scarecrow, fox ghost evil clown.
Will tear politeness kindness up and down.
High seat abominable. No surprise
Lord misrule of dead world they raised this night.
We will survive if only out of spite.
October 19, 2016
Three poems written at Cloud Club
TRUESONG for Coming Out Day
Voice unsupported is the strained true song
Whose sharp note is the sweetest. Harmonize
Beyond the notes we hear. Protective lies
Rhyme in the lyric. Cadence proves them wrong
Until the cadence changes, Dying fall
That chooses life alters the minor key
Triumphs the major. I that is now we.
They may hurt me. They cannot kill us all.
You tell the truth your closest sort of knew.
Most closet doors have slats that let in light
And if they hate you as indeed they might
Sad is the lilac made of pink and blue
Song you learn notes that ring enjoy and praise
Come out as rich and strange so many days.
JAGGERY REHEARSES
Compile from imperfection. Buzz and whir.
The bass strings hover like a blue green fly
Infectionate is sapphire. This is why
They play as group. Viola bows a slur
A drawl of bittersweet to complement
Voice leaps to chaos art the lyrics mean
Keyboard and drums sweet order in between.
The engine pulses. Time is held then bent
Then twisted true but never as before
Rehearsal a discussion word and sound
Arguing beauties not there until found
Nine voices talking when the head count's four.
I write in silence as an audience
Performing too but in a different sense
The briars round her are the needle's twin
That hurt her. Roses like those in her cheeks
As many as the hours and days and weeks
Of expiation for her parents' sins
The invitations that were never sent.
The evil fairy's trivial concern
Moon waxs wanes. Swift rushing seasons turn.
And was her stillness an emolient
To evil fairy's feelings? Not at all.
No blood no pain no panic. Not a snore
She threw the curse and she expected more.
Such disappointments come eventual
To all whom malice gives a dreaming hope
Never enough of anything but rope.
Voice unsupported is the strained true song
Whose sharp note is the sweetest. Harmonize
Beyond the notes we hear. Protective lies
Rhyme in the lyric. Cadence proves them wrong
Until the cadence changes, Dying fall
That chooses life alters the minor key
Triumphs the major. I that is now we.
They may hurt me. They cannot kill us all.
You tell the truth your closest sort of knew.
Most closet doors have slats that let in light
And if they hate you as indeed they might
Sad is the lilac made of pink and blue
Song you learn notes that ring enjoy and praise
Come out as rich and strange so many days.
JAGGERY REHEARSES
Compile from imperfection. Buzz and whir.
The bass strings hover like a blue green fly
Infectionate is sapphire. This is why
They play as group. Viola bows a slur
A drawl of bittersweet to complement
Voice leaps to chaos art the lyrics mean
Keyboard and drums sweet order in between.
The engine pulses. Time is held then bent
Then twisted true but never as before
Rehearsal a discussion word and sound
Arguing beauties not there until found
Nine voices talking when the head count's four.
I write in silence as an audience
Performing too but in a different sense
The briars round her are the needle's twin
That hurt her. Roses like those in her cheeks
As many as the hours and days and weeks
Of expiation for her parents' sins
The invitations that were never sent.
The evil fairy's trivial concern
Moon waxs wanes. Swift rushing seasons turn.
And was her stillness an emolient
To evil fairy's feelings? Not at all.
No blood no pain no panic. Not a snore
She threw the curse and she expected more.
Such disappointments come eventual
To all whom malice gives a dreaming hope
Never enough of anything but rope.
September 24, 2016
Paul wept. Apostle to the world, he cameTo Mantua and wep...
Paul wept. Apostle to the world, he came
To Mantua and wept on Virgil's grave
A man he wished to, years too late to, save,
Longed for a saviour child, knew not his name.
'We have no hope, our comfort is desire.'
The poet spoke to poet. Limbo state
Eternity yet ticking off each date
Who know not bliss but have been saved the fire.
Dante knew Virgil. Loved. But with regret
Faith told him it was somehow not unfair
Pagans be damned yet have no pain or care.
We ditch all these concerns. And Pascal's bet.
Still care for all the wrongness of the dead
Compassion, doubt, both whisper in my head.
To Mantua and wept on Virgil's grave
A man he wished to, years too late to, save,
Longed for a saviour child, knew not his name.
'We have no hope, our comfort is desire.'
The poet spoke to poet. Limbo state
Eternity yet ticking off each date
Who know not bliss but have been saved the fire.
Dante knew Virgil. Loved. But with regret
Faith told him it was somehow not unfair
Pagans be damned yet have no pain or care.
We ditch all these concerns. And Pascal's bet.
Still care for all the wrongness of the dead
Compassion, doubt, both whisper in my head.
September 22, 2016
Some thoughts on my suspension
As people know, I received my ballot in the Labour Party leadership election and voted rather late, on the 14th, after a series of complaints, in the course of which I was told that a large batch had been meant to go out on 24th August and that there had been a glitch. On the 17th, I received a letter dated the 16th which said that I had been suspended from the Labour Party, and my vote disallowed, on the basis of abuse contrary to the rules which I had committed on 6th May and 3rd December as well as on other dates. Thanks to the kind offices of Jane Carnall, I have looked at my political tweets for those days and am mystified as to how I have committed abuse within the meaning of the rule book ie sexism and racism, and foul language.
On the 6th of May I said ‘Imagine what Labour's results in England would have been without constant plots and bitching’. On the 3rd December I was primarily involved in defending the freedom of speech of Labour Party members in the aftermath of the Syria vote, sometimes in direct dialogue with Tom Watson and Andy Burnham. The only conceivably relevant tweets are these : ‘ Earlier I referred to Hilary Benn as a lickspittle running dog of colonialism ad imperialism. I did not, of course, intend to hurt his feels ‘ and ‘ I don't especially want to swear at MPs. I will fight for the right to swear at MPs because I wish to retain the right to use biting sarcasm ‘. A few days earlier I had said that the right to say ‘fuck off’ to Tom Watson was an important right and in reference to his vote and how disgusting I thought it, I told him that he could get me expelled if he didn’t like it. And that’s it – a discussion of the role ot swearing and other forms of strong language in political discourse as a vent for strong views about mass murder as policy.
I don’t swear on line regularly myself – you are more likely to find the word ‘fuck’ in my poems than in my tweets. In any case, the occasion on which Jess Phillips publicly told Diane Abbott to fuck off and boasted of having done so is pretty clear evidence that those particular words are not a disciplinary offence in the Labour Party, so foul language has to be very foul to qualify as abuse.
I didn't use the words 'fuck off' on 3rd December but my dialogue with Tom Watson would have linked to the tweet a few days earlier in which I did talk of 'the right to say fuck off to Tom Watson', which is not abuse, but a discussion of the right of free speech and its limits. That would be enough for a bot to pick up.
‘Lickspittle running dog’ is Maoist phraseology rather than foul language and is any case something I would never use entirely seriously – it’s what I said about Hilary Benn when very angry but even then it is hard to see how, though rude, it contravenes the rules. More generally, if in the heat of the moment I were to use language that could be construed as racist or sexist, which is highly unlikely, my friends would point this out to me.
I am deeply offended at my suspension and the claim that I have done something wrong. I have, however, a theory as to how it happened, a very worrying theory.
It’s hard to see how even with a lot of volunteers and staff working full time on it, the Labour Party could have managed to suspend so many people in so short a time – a record number in Labour history, I would guess, even given the rise of social media – without automating the process with bots and algorithms.
I think I have been suspended for the word ‘bitching’ which is not racist or sexist but which contains the word ‘bitch’ which is sexist. A really useless bot would pick it up and not notice the letters round it. I think furthermore that this is a plausible explanation of why so many people who have been suspended cannot imagine what they have been suspended for – no-one is doing proper quality control on bots which are primed to search for a variety of words, and do not notice when those words are syllables in larger words or if they are being used ironically, in quotation marks and in very specific contexts.
Iain McNicols is a very intelligent man and must be aware that this is happening, and I am forced to conclude that he knows and does not care. Another strong indicator as to his motives is that he has chosen to interpret the rules as meaning that anyone accused of abuse should be suspended without further ado and any investigation of the accusation deferred until after the leadership election and the conference. That decision is clearly motivated by bias – it is also the jurisprudence of the Queen of Hearts - ‘Verdict First, Trial Afterwards’ rather than anything which belongs in a democratic organization. It is a disgrace that the ‘Corbyn’s supporters are vile abusers’ narrative has become so prevalent that liberal commentators are not outraged by this, even without it’s being proved that the accusations are not personal denunciations but based on algorithms and bots.
It’s rather worrying that the pattern of late receipt of votes, endless complaints, arrival of votes, instant suspension of membership for alleged abuse, is not limited to me but appears to be widespread.
It is also hard to see how so many people are going to get due process on the investigation and appeals procedure this side of the next General election.
It is also rather worrying that the form letter that comes out informing people of suspension tells us that we have been denounced. This creates a poisonous atmosphere both locally and, in the case of those of us who are public figures for various reasons, professionally – if in fact the denunciation has come from a piece of code rather than a person, that is particularly irresponsible of the Compliance Unit.
Further, the use of bots to decide guilt or innocence is a worrying precedent. Imagine what a totalitarian government could do with it – imagine what a government department like the DWP may be doing with it as we speak.
Cardinal Richelieu said that seven honest words were enough to find some basis to hang a man. Iain McNicol has surpassed him.
On the 6th of May I said ‘Imagine what Labour's results in England would have been without constant plots and bitching’. On the 3rd December I was primarily involved in defending the freedom of speech of Labour Party members in the aftermath of the Syria vote, sometimes in direct dialogue with Tom Watson and Andy Burnham. The only conceivably relevant tweets are these : ‘ Earlier I referred to Hilary Benn as a lickspittle running dog of colonialism ad imperialism. I did not, of course, intend to hurt his feels ‘ and ‘ I don't especially want to swear at MPs. I will fight for the right to swear at MPs because I wish to retain the right to use biting sarcasm ‘. A few days earlier I had said that the right to say ‘fuck off’ to Tom Watson was an important right and in reference to his vote and how disgusting I thought it, I told him that he could get me expelled if he didn’t like it. And that’s it – a discussion of the role ot swearing and other forms of strong language in political discourse as a vent for strong views about mass murder as policy.
I don’t swear on line regularly myself – you are more likely to find the word ‘fuck’ in my poems than in my tweets. In any case, the occasion on which Jess Phillips publicly told Diane Abbott to fuck off and boasted of having done so is pretty clear evidence that those particular words are not a disciplinary offence in the Labour Party, so foul language has to be very foul to qualify as abuse.
I didn't use the words 'fuck off' on 3rd December but my dialogue with Tom Watson would have linked to the tweet a few days earlier in which I did talk of 'the right to say fuck off to Tom Watson', which is not abuse, but a discussion of the right of free speech and its limits. That would be enough for a bot to pick up.
‘Lickspittle running dog’ is Maoist phraseology rather than foul language and is any case something I would never use entirely seriously – it’s what I said about Hilary Benn when very angry but even then it is hard to see how, though rude, it contravenes the rules. More generally, if in the heat of the moment I were to use language that could be construed as racist or sexist, which is highly unlikely, my friends would point this out to me.
I am deeply offended at my suspension and the claim that I have done something wrong. I have, however, a theory as to how it happened, a very worrying theory.
It’s hard to see how even with a lot of volunteers and staff working full time on it, the Labour Party could have managed to suspend so many people in so short a time – a record number in Labour history, I would guess, even given the rise of social media – without automating the process with bots and algorithms.
I think I have been suspended for the word ‘bitching’ which is not racist or sexist but which contains the word ‘bitch’ which is sexist. A really useless bot would pick it up and not notice the letters round it. I think furthermore that this is a plausible explanation of why so many people who have been suspended cannot imagine what they have been suspended for – no-one is doing proper quality control on bots which are primed to search for a variety of words, and do not notice when those words are syllables in larger words or if they are being used ironically, in quotation marks and in very specific contexts.
Iain McNicols is a very intelligent man and must be aware that this is happening, and I am forced to conclude that he knows and does not care. Another strong indicator as to his motives is that he has chosen to interpret the rules as meaning that anyone accused of abuse should be suspended without further ado and any investigation of the accusation deferred until after the leadership election and the conference. That decision is clearly motivated by bias – it is also the jurisprudence of the Queen of Hearts - ‘Verdict First, Trial Afterwards’ rather than anything which belongs in a democratic organization. It is a disgrace that the ‘Corbyn’s supporters are vile abusers’ narrative has become so prevalent that liberal commentators are not outraged by this, even without it’s being proved that the accusations are not personal denunciations but based on algorithms and bots.
It’s rather worrying that the pattern of late receipt of votes, endless complaints, arrival of votes, instant suspension of membership for alleged abuse, is not limited to me but appears to be widespread.
It is also hard to see how so many people are going to get due process on the investigation and appeals procedure this side of the next General election.
It is also rather worrying that the form letter that comes out informing people of suspension tells us that we have been denounced. This creates a poisonous atmosphere both locally and, in the case of those of us who are public figures for various reasons, professionally – if in fact the denunciation has come from a piece of code rather than a person, that is particularly irresponsible of the Compliance Unit.
Further, the use of bots to decide guilt or innocence is a worrying precedent. Imagine what a totalitarian government could do with it – imagine what a government department like the DWP may be doing with it as we speak.
Cardinal Richelieu said that seven honest words were enough to find some basis to hang a man. Iain McNicol has surpassed him.
September 17, 2016
I have been suspended from the Labour Party...
These are my tweets from the day on which I allegedly committed abuse.
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
There is NO WAY to abolish online anonymity that does not put a lot of vulnerable people in danger of life and sanity.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Earlier I referred to Hilary Benn as a lickspittle running dog of colonialism ad imperialism. I did not, of course, intend to hurt his feels
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Syrians are dying and we're discussing whether Alex Salmond made a remark that was tasteless.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
The Mirror are running a poll for Benn as Labour Leader. So far 91% against. Let's make it 99%.
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In reply to Lee Weissman
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@JihadiJew But most people with religion and/or MH issues don't shoot people. That would be people with guns.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
I don't especially want to swear at MPs. I will fight for the right to swear at MPs because I wish to retain the right to use biting sarcasm
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Sabine
I use my own name precisely because I have some minor privilege to withstand it. A public voice and friends.
Roz Kaveney added,
Sabine @ThatSabineGirl
@revmagdalen @RozKaveney Harassment and abuse happens under people's real names too, on places like Facebook.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Dorothy Snarker
Oh FMS this is awesome.
Roz Kaveney added,
Dorothy Snarker @dorothysnarker
Lena Headey in a suit. This is not a drill. #lesbianbatsignal http://dorothysurrenders.blogspot.com/2015/12/gender-fuck-thursday-lena-headey-edition.html?m=0 …
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
To quote a figure I mostly destest - I will fight fight and fight again to save the party I somehow still manage to love.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
I am now back to stay - somewhat to the Left of where I used to be. You can pry my Labour membership only from my cold dead fingers now.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
I resigned from the Labour party over Gulf Part one, the abolition of Clause 4 and Ed Milliband's capitulation to a centrist narrative.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@andyburnham Social media are playing field where the vulnerable and abused have some chance of hitting back.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Online anonymity - and I speak as someone often harrassed - is more important than the hurt feelings of MPs.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Online anonymity helps people blowing whistles in tyrannies; it helps battered wives; it helps LGBT teens with bigoted parents.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@andyburnhammp Friends who have been subjected to staggering vileness on Twitter, simply hand their account to friends for a few days to run
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@andyburnhammp As someone who gets a lot of abuse on Twitter, I use the block and mute buttons regularly. Hence my vast calm.
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In reply to Zoe-Marie Rogers
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@ZoeMarieRogers @andyburnhammp MPs use language like scrounger in speeches which people find staggeringly offensive - will that be policed?
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In reply to Zoe-Marie Rogers
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@ZoeMarieRogers @andyburnhammp I have been told that I on occasion make people wish they were dead by being icily polite to them.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Momentum should not be all about personal attacks on individuals. As an individual I outsource my personal attacks to nobody else.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@andyburnhammp wants a code of conduct for social media. Perhaps he thinks we should all dress up in a school uniform before we tweet.
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In reply to Alex Gabriel
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@AlexGabriel It kept the narrative on the issue of bombing Syria not his leadership.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Polly Toynbee believes Labour should vote for war to be serious.That's pretty much journalists demanding blood sacrifice as sign of respect
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
How much do MPS know and not say about each other's crimes? Maybe they need to be honest.
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In reply to Tom Holland
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@holland_tom @tom_watson It depends where you live. Churchill's name is mud in Wales and India. And Iraq.
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In reply to Tom Holland
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@holland_tom @tom_watson Politicians are remembered for the worst thing they did, not the best.
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In reply to Tom Watson ☀️
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@tom_watson You will recall that Byron wrote a poem about urinating on Castlereagh's grave. Poets are not nice.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@tom_watson And if you don't like it you can expel me. You were wrong to vote for bombing.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Jeremy Corbyn MP
And you were the conscience of the country.
Roz Kaveney added,
Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremycorbyn
In 7 days 5 million Brits change their minds on Syrian airstrikes. Concerned citizens or terrorist sympathisers?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Noisy campaigns for deslection will be represented as vindictive bullying rather than democratic accountability. Don't talk about it. Do it.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
I would suggest to Left Unity that, if deselection is an option, it should not be loud.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Cameron did not need Labour votes. He solicited them in order to foment civil war in Labour and the pro-war faction rushed to comply.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
I am so relieved that my MP did not vote for bombing.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
My poem for the 67 Labour MPs http://rozk.livejournal.com/532674.html I am too sick at heart to write well, and yet sometimes you have to write something.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
This time I am not resigning from the Labour Party. I am staying to fight these war-mongers/
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In reply to Jane
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@janeyotweets @UKLabour We knew a lot of the Blairite dead wood were still there. Now we know how much worse they are.
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In reply to Patrick Strudwick
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@PatrickStrud We have always been in for attacks whichever way it went, I fear.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted David Davis MP
I don't usually retweet Tories bvut everything he says is right.
Roz Kaveney added,
David Davis MP @DavidDavisMP
(1/5) The arguments of those saying 'doing something in #Syria is better than nothing' are false. Nobody is arguing for doing nothing
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Mark Steel
I hope they all see dead children in their dreams.
Roz Kaveney added,
Mark Steel @mrmarksteel
To be fair, MPs who voted for bombing assured us they 'didn't take the decision lightly'. None of them said 'I don't care so rolled a dice'.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted
No maybe about it. https://twitter.com/juliahobsbawm/status/672182742180888578 …
Roz Kaveney added,
This Tweet is unavailable.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Dear Hilary Benn, if the Spectator is praising your oratory, you can be absolutely sure that you have done a really wrong thing.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted BBC Parliament
That we care as much about brown Syrian children as we do about white black and brown British ones.
Roz Kaveney added,
BBC Parliament @BBCParliament
On Paris attacks @hilarybennmp "they could have been our children... if we do not act what message will that send?"
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Anya
I won't even consider his issues.
Roz Kaveney added,
Anya @fancie18
@RozKaveney @sarahluv81 he should remember his Father's stand on Iraq
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Steve Battlemuch
To screw Corbyn for humiliating her leadership bid presumably.
Roz Kaveney added,
Steve Battlemuch @Battlemuch4WW
Strange speech from @YvetteCooperMP - going to vote for bombing but states Cameron's strategy is wrong. Why then vote for it?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Bonnie Greer
Maybe he believes what he said. Maybe.
Roz Kaveney added,
Bonnie Greer @Bonn1eGreer
#HilaryBenn made a very good and strong speech- in favour of the wrong policy.
This day is sad beyond measure.
#SyriaDebate…
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Yes Hilary Benn. Fight Daesh Fascism with the Saudis, Al Qaeda, Erdogan and Putin as your allies.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Hilary Benn compares bombing Syria to the International Brigades. Their actual equivalent is the Kurdish woman jailed for trying to fight.
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In reply to artsyhonker/Kathryn
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@artsyhonker You're right. He hasn't endorsed bombing without other actions but hasn't explicitly said that w/o them it ceases to be just.
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In reply to artsyhonker/Kathryn
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@artsyhonker I find his position equivocal. One of the requirements of Just War is that you have a clear and achievable objective.
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In reply to artsyhonker/Kathryn
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@artsyhonker @JustinWelby Cameron won't do ANY of those other things in practice especially not the refugee stuff.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
I won't say anything about the LibDem decision to vote for bombing if friends don't talk about Labour bombers. We all have crosses to bear
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
The crucial way to counter Daesh/ISIL is to be generous with refugees.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
This is clearl relevant to stopping them.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@NickCohen4 I don't want to abuse or harass MPs who vote for bombing Syria - is there an etiquette manual that indicates how rude I may be?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
If Putin goes on revealing this much dirt on Erdogan https://www.rt.com/news/324252-russian-military-news-briefing/#.Vl75p6ErV04.twitter … presumably Erdogan will repay in kind.Popcorn time.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
The UN has not authorized bombing - the UN has authorised 'concerted action' which might mean sending Daesh a joint Christmas card.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
An amplification MORE JARVIS BOLLOCKS
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
So the US is putting more boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq? Will Cameron come back next week asking to do the same?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
If the British public has changed its mind about bombing Syria in a week, isn't that evidence that Corbyn is rather a good communicator?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Another Angry Woman
Crybabies.
Roz Kaveney added,
Another Angry Woman @stavvers
hello i am a mp plx do not contact me or hold me accountable in any way or protest my murderous decisions bc thats abuse waaaaaa
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Why I think Dan Jarvis is wrong
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In reply to Mike Scott
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@DrPlokta Which is why it is important to put pressure on Labour MPs right down to the wire.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Prediction of a clear majority for Cameron in news bulletins. Is that actually the case?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
No mention of the scepticism of the Tory dominated Foreign Affairs committee.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Worrying extent to which the Today programme is presenting the Government case for bombing uncritically.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
There is NO WAY to abolish online anonymity that does not put a lot of vulnerable people in danger of life and sanity.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Earlier I referred to Hilary Benn as a lickspittle running dog of colonialism ad imperialism. I did not, of course, intend to hurt his feels
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Syrians are dying and we're discussing whether Alex Salmond made a remark that was tasteless.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
The Mirror are running a poll for Benn as Labour Leader. So far 91% against. Let's make it 99%.
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In reply to Lee Weissman
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@JihadiJew But most people with religion and/or MH issues don't shoot people. That would be people with guns.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
I don't especially want to swear at MPs. I will fight for the right to swear at MPs because I wish to retain the right to use biting sarcasm
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Sabine
I use my own name precisely because I have some minor privilege to withstand it. A public voice and friends.
Roz Kaveney added,
Sabine @ThatSabineGirl
@revmagdalen @RozKaveney Harassment and abuse happens under people's real names too, on places like Facebook.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Dorothy Snarker
Oh FMS this is awesome.
Roz Kaveney added,
Dorothy Snarker @dorothysnarker
Lena Headey in a suit. This is not a drill. #lesbianbatsignal http://dorothysurrenders.blogspot.com/2015/12/gender-fuck-thursday-lena-headey-edition.html?m=0 …
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
To quote a figure I mostly destest - I will fight fight and fight again to save the party I somehow still manage to love.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
I am now back to stay - somewhat to the Left of where I used to be. You can pry my Labour membership only from my cold dead fingers now.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
I resigned from the Labour party over Gulf Part one, the abolition of Clause 4 and Ed Milliband's capitulation to a centrist narrative.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@andyburnham Social media are playing field where the vulnerable and abused have some chance of hitting back.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Online anonymity - and I speak as someone often harrassed - is more important than the hurt feelings of MPs.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Online anonymity helps people blowing whistles in tyrannies; it helps battered wives; it helps LGBT teens with bigoted parents.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@andyburnhammp Friends who have been subjected to staggering vileness on Twitter, simply hand their account to friends for a few days to run
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@andyburnhammp As someone who gets a lot of abuse on Twitter, I use the block and mute buttons regularly. Hence my vast calm.
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In reply to Zoe-Marie Rogers
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@ZoeMarieRogers @andyburnhammp MPs use language like scrounger in speeches which people find staggeringly offensive - will that be policed?
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In reply to Zoe-Marie Rogers
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@ZoeMarieRogers @andyburnhammp I have been told that I on occasion make people wish they were dead by being icily polite to them.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Momentum should not be all about personal attacks on individuals. As an individual I outsource my personal attacks to nobody else.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@andyburnhammp wants a code of conduct for social media. Perhaps he thinks we should all dress up in a school uniform before we tweet.
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In reply to Alex Gabriel
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@AlexGabriel It kept the narrative on the issue of bombing Syria not his leadership.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Polly Toynbee believes Labour should vote for war to be serious.That's pretty much journalists demanding blood sacrifice as sign of respect
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
How much do MPS know and not say about each other's crimes? Maybe they need to be honest.
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In reply to Tom Holland
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@holland_tom @tom_watson It depends where you live. Churchill's name is mud in Wales and India. And Iraq.
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In reply to Tom Holland
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@holland_tom @tom_watson Politicians are remembered for the worst thing they did, not the best.
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In reply to Tom Watson ☀️
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@tom_watson You will recall that Byron wrote a poem about urinating on Castlereagh's grave. Poets are not nice.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
@tom_watson And if you don't like it you can expel me. You were wrong to vote for bombing.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Jeremy Corbyn MP
And you were the conscience of the country.
Roz Kaveney added,
Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremycorbyn
In 7 days 5 million Brits change their minds on Syrian airstrikes. Concerned citizens or terrorist sympathisers?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Noisy campaigns for deslection will be represented as vindictive bullying rather than democratic accountability. Don't talk about it. Do it.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
I would suggest to Left Unity that, if deselection is an option, it should not be loud.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 3 Dec 2015
Cameron did not need Labour votes. He solicited them in order to foment civil war in Labour and the pro-war faction rushed to comply.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
I am so relieved that my MP did not vote for bombing.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
My poem for the 67 Labour MPs http://rozk.livejournal.com/532674.html I am too sick at heart to write well, and yet sometimes you have to write something.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
This time I am not resigning from the Labour Party. I am staying to fight these war-mongers/
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In reply to Jane
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@janeyotweets @UKLabour We knew a lot of the Blairite dead wood were still there. Now we know how much worse they are.
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In reply to Patrick Strudwick
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@PatrickStrud We have always been in for attacks whichever way it went, I fear.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted David Davis MP
I don't usually retweet Tories bvut everything he says is right.
Roz Kaveney added,
David Davis MP @DavidDavisMP
(1/5) The arguments of those saying 'doing something in #Syria is better than nothing' are false. Nobody is arguing for doing nothing
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Mark Steel
I hope they all see dead children in their dreams.
Roz Kaveney added,
Mark Steel @mrmarksteel
To be fair, MPs who voted for bombing assured us they 'didn't take the decision lightly'. None of them said 'I don't care so rolled a dice'.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted
No maybe about it. https://twitter.com/juliahobsbawm/status/672182742180888578 …
Roz Kaveney added,
This Tweet is unavailable.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Dear Hilary Benn, if the Spectator is praising your oratory, you can be absolutely sure that you have done a really wrong thing.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted BBC Parliament
That we care as much about brown Syrian children as we do about white black and brown British ones.
Roz Kaveney added,
BBC Parliament @BBCParliament
On Paris attacks @hilarybennmp "they could have been our children... if we do not act what message will that send?"
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Anya
I won't even consider his issues.
Roz Kaveney added,
Anya @fancie18
@RozKaveney @sarahluv81 he should remember his Father's stand on Iraq
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Steve Battlemuch
To screw Corbyn for humiliating her leadership bid presumably.
Roz Kaveney added,
Steve Battlemuch @Battlemuch4WW
Strange speech from @YvetteCooperMP - going to vote for bombing but states Cameron's strategy is wrong. Why then vote for it?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Bonnie Greer
Maybe he believes what he said. Maybe.
Roz Kaveney added,
Bonnie Greer @Bonn1eGreer
#HilaryBenn made a very good and strong speech- in favour of the wrong policy.
This day is sad beyond measure.
#SyriaDebate…
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Yes Hilary Benn. Fight Daesh Fascism with the Saudis, Al Qaeda, Erdogan and Putin as your allies.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Hilary Benn compares bombing Syria to the International Brigades. Their actual equivalent is the Kurdish woman jailed for trying to fight.
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In reply to artsyhonker/Kathryn
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@artsyhonker You're right. He hasn't endorsed bombing without other actions but hasn't explicitly said that w/o them it ceases to be just.
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In reply to artsyhonker/Kathryn
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@artsyhonker I find his position equivocal. One of the requirements of Just War is that you have a clear and achievable objective.
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In reply to artsyhonker/Kathryn
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@artsyhonker @JustinWelby Cameron won't do ANY of those other things in practice especially not the refugee stuff.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
I won't say anything about the LibDem decision to vote for bombing if friends don't talk about Labour bombers. We all have crosses to bear
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
The crucial way to counter Daesh/ISIL is to be generous with refugees.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
This is clearl relevant to stopping them.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@NickCohen4 I don't want to abuse or harass MPs who vote for bombing Syria - is there an etiquette manual that indicates how rude I may be?
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
If Putin goes on revealing this much dirt on Erdogan https://www.rt.com/news/324252-russian-military-news-briefing/#.Vl75p6ErV04.twitter … presumably Erdogan will repay in kind.Popcorn time.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
The UN has not authorized bombing - the UN has authorised 'concerted action' which might mean sending Daesh a joint Christmas card.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
An amplification MORE JARVIS BOLLOCKS
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
So the US is putting more boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq? Will Cameron come back next week asking to do the same?
0 retweets 0 likes
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
If the British public has changed its mind about bombing Syria in a week, isn't that evidence that Corbyn is rather a good communicator?
0 retweets 1 like
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Roz Kaveney Retweeted Another Angry Woman
Crybabies.
Roz Kaveney added,
Another Angry Woman @stavvers
hello i am a mp plx do not contact me or hold me accountable in any way or protest my murderous decisions bc thats abuse waaaaaa
0 retweets 1 like
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Why I think Dan Jarvis is wrong
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In reply to Mike Scott
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
@DrPlokta Which is why it is important to put pressure on Labour MPs right down to the wire.
0 retweets 0 likes
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Prediction of a clear majority for Cameron in news bulletins. Is that actually the case?
0 retweets 0 likes
Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
No mention of the scepticism of the Tory dominated Foreign Affairs committee.
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Roz Kaveney @RozKaveney 2 Dec 2015
Worrying extent to which the Today programme is presenting the Government case for bombing uncritically.
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September 2, 2016
For Louise
FOR LOUISE
We are the thoughts that we can recollect
Persist and pulse the beat of melting clocks
Chase as it disappears bright tail of fox
Strutted as owned the park. Time vulture pecked
Her from herself. Her beauty nail sharp wit
Lasted until it did not when the glass
No more showed her her self. And these things pass
Clouds bubbles memories. I'd like to hit
Time in the face so hard. All summer long
She played the same damn record Tapestry
Weaves mighty real taste of the Earl Gray tea
Poured endlessly. And still the same old song.
She is not here. Was not before her death.
Yet in my mind laugh smile and husky breath.
We are the thoughts that we can recollect
Persist and pulse the beat of melting clocks
Chase as it disappears bright tail of fox
Strutted as owned the park. Time vulture pecked
Her from herself. Her beauty nail sharp wit
Lasted until it did not when the glass
No more showed her her self. And these things pass
Clouds bubbles memories. I'd like to hit
Time in the face so hard. All summer long
She played the same damn record Tapestry
Weaves mighty real taste of the Earl Gray tea
Poured endlessly. And still the same old song.
She is not here. Was not before her death.
Yet in my mind laugh smile and husky breath.
August 22, 2016
A poem about a sort of religious person
PATRIARCHS
Old men that hate young women. Cut their joy
With fester knives or stitch them close with thread
Blood pus and dripping piss. In their grey head
Single green thought. All pleasures cloy
When old save this of taking lust away
Itches their aching thigh. World could be white
If noone sweated moan yearned in the night
Only get children. Cook. Kneel. Sew. Clean. Pray.
But never priest it. Grumble in their beard.
Their will is mocked elsewhere where unclothed dance
Twine kiss stroke touch unthinkable romance
Abominations if they are not feared.
Steal goddess' gifts and all that's not nailed down.
Sworn to God's service and the devil's clown.
Old men that hate young women. Cut their joy
With fester knives or stitch them close with thread
Blood pus and dripping piss. In their grey head
Single green thought. All pleasures cloy
When old save this of taking lust away
Itches their aching thigh. World could be white
If noone sweated moan yearned in the night
Only get children. Cook. Kneel. Sew. Clean. Pray.
But never priest it. Grumble in their beard.
Their will is mocked elsewhere where unclothed dance
Twine kiss stroke touch unthinkable romance
Abominations if they are not feared.
Steal goddess' gifts and all that's not nailed down.
Sworn to God's service and the devil's clown.
What's important about Labour coups
FOR DM
Turn face away look closely at the wall
Grouting or craquelure. And do not hear
Dark plane low overhead. Blowtorches sear
Their bastinadoed feet. They owed it all
Pain. Contumaciously refusing to admit
All that they might have done or said or thought.
Do this free-hearted shamed we think you bought.
Plastic clipped wrists on concrete lie ìn shit.
Denounced suspected mistyped on a list.
Decisions right though wrong they prove us tough.
Atrocities. When one side cries. Enough.
Boy blushed when raped gnawed death hole in his wrist.
Spit on your ashpale face. We'll not forget.
That prize you wanted most you'll never get.
Turn face away look closely at the wall
Grouting or craquelure. And do not hear
Dark plane low overhead. Blowtorches sear
Their bastinadoed feet. They owed it all
Pain. Contumaciously refusing to admit
All that they might have done or said or thought.
Do this free-hearted shamed we think you bought.
Plastic clipped wrists on concrete lie ìn shit.
Denounced suspected mistyped on a list.
Decisions right though wrong they prove us tough.
Atrocities. When one side cries. Enough.
Boy blushed when raped gnawed death hole in his wrist.
Spit on your ashpale face. We'll not forget.
That prize you wanted most you'll never get.
August 6, 2016
Star
MARILYN
Brass notes in hair and voice rich honey sweet
A steel conviction to the perfect scene
Over and over gold poured onto screen
Into burst hourglass. Those tortured feet
In shoes that thrust her forwards breasts and loin
Carved as the perfect dish and wrapped in foil
Take her and eat it later. She is loyal
To lovers who betray whose love is coin
Turns fairy leaves. Yes yes repeated yes
Caught in the moment love that made her art
Out of deep feeling over over start
Methodical. The pains to curse and bless
And break. Treasure each moment that we've got.
Misfits and Diamonds. And Some Like It Hot
Brass notes in hair and voice rich honey sweet
A steel conviction to the perfect scene
Over and over gold poured onto screen
Into burst hourglass. Those tortured feet
In shoes that thrust her forwards breasts and loin
Carved as the perfect dish and wrapped in foil
Take her and eat it later. She is loyal
To lovers who betray whose love is coin
Turns fairy leaves. Yes yes repeated yes
Caught in the moment love that made her art
Out of deep feeling over over start
Methodical. The pains to curse and bless
And break. Treasure each moment that we've got.
Misfits and Diamonds. And Some Like It Hot
Too much of the press assumes we are young fools
CORBYNISMO
Our hair is sometimes purple sometimes white.
Blood quickened red as flags with joyful rage
Skeleton horses ride that died of age
We rise again. Submit to that old fight
We lost before. The giants are still there
They told us they were windmills and we heard
Creaking that lulled us years content we purred
Despaired perhaps a little. We still care.
Stories come true again. Nothing to lose
But stories. At our head open neck grey
Scruff beard we knew we'd find our knight one day
If madness it is madness not to choose.
We are Quixote's army. This or bed
That we helped make. In which the world is dead.
Our hair is sometimes purple sometimes white.
Blood quickened red as flags with joyful rage
Skeleton horses ride that died of age
We rise again. Submit to that old fight
We lost before. The giants are still there
They told us they were windmills and we heard
Creaking that lulled us years content we purred
Despaired perhaps a little. We still care.
Stories come true again. Nothing to lose
But stories. At our head open neck grey
Scruff beard we knew we'd find our knight one day
If madness it is madness not to choose.
We are Quixote's army. This or bed
That we helped make. In which the world is dead.
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