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Kay Solo
Yay another question! <3 But yes, this is in reference to something. Specifically it has to do with The Vision of Er from Plato's Republic. In it is mentioned the Spindle of Necessity, which is kind of a means of explaining the movement/orbit of the planets. The sirens and the Fates are both part of the Spindle and are responsible for keeping it moving, and they all sing together as they do. From the text:
"The spindle turns on the knees of Necessity; and on the upper surface of each circle is a siren, who goes round with them, hymning a single tone or note. The eight together form one harmony; and round about, at equal intervals, there is another band, three in number, each sitting upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity, who are clothed in white robes and have chaplets upon their heads, Lachesis and Clotho and Atropos, who accompany with their voices the harmony of the sirens --Lachesis singing of the past, Clotho of the present, Atropos of the future; Clotho from time to time assisting with a touch of her right hand the revolution of the outer circle of the whorl or spindle, and Atropos with her left hand touching and guiding the inner ones, and Lachesis laying hold of either in turn, first with one hand and then with the other."
"The spindle turns on the knees of Necessity; and on the upper surface of each circle is a siren, who goes round with them, hymning a single tone or note. The eight together form one harmony; and round about, at equal intervals, there is another band, three in number, each sitting upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity, who are clothed in white robes and have chaplets upon their heads, Lachesis and Clotho and Atropos, who accompany with their voices the harmony of the sirens --Lachesis singing of the past, Clotho of the present, Atropos of the future; Clotho from time to time assisting with a touch of her right hand the revolution of the outer circle of the whorl or spindle, and Atropos with her left hand touching and guiding the inner ones, and Lachesis laying hold of either in turn, first with one hand and then with the other."
Kay Solo
I don't know if anything in my life is enough for an entire book, but maybe an arc? My biggest mystery is probably about the very start of my life. I don't know when or where I was born. I was just found somewhere and put into the foster system, and there were absolutely no details or trace of my parents. My birthday is an educated guess. So that's pretty fun! I see a lot of adoption stories, though, so I'm afraid it wouldn't be super original. Plus, my situation is unresolved, so I'd have to make up an ending.
I will say I've already planned out where this arc is going, so it'll show up eventually. 👀
I will say I've already planned out where this arc is going, so it'll show up eventually. 👀
Kay Solo
Hello again!
Now that I've done both, I found sequels to be more difficult. Moon and Flame was easy for me because most all of it was already there. The specific events, the new characters, all of that was already in my head out of planning for Ghost Walk. So Moon and Flame was really just me writing down stuff I already knew. Whereas, with a sequel, that's an entirely new thing to set up. I often think backward for the purpose of character development, but not as much forward, since my primary concern is making sure the story I'm working on in the present is properly developed. I'll think about how the characters continue to develop over time, but for a sequel I actually need a whole story and structure to go with it, which is where it gets more challenging.
Now that I've done both, I found sequels to be more difficult. Moon and Flame was easy for me because most all of it was already there. The specific events, the new characters, all of that was already in my head out of planning for Ghost Walk. So Moon and Flame was really just me writing down stuff I already knew. Whereas, with a sequel, that's an entirely new thing to set up. I often think backward for the purpose of character development, but not as much forward, since my primary concern is making sure the story I'm working on in the present is properly developed. I'll think about how the characters continue to develop over time, but for a sequel I actually need a whole story and structure to go with it, which is where it gets more challenging.
Kay Solo
Kind of! I never have very many songs, there's usually just a few that do the trick... one of these days I want to put together a proper track list for whatever I'm working on, but it's been okay so far!
1) Stand My Ground - Within Temptation
2) Mercy Mirror - Within Temptation
3) The River - AURORA
4) Ashes - Celine Dion
1) Stand My Ground - Within Temptation
2) Mercy Mirror - Within Temptation
3) The River - AURORA
4) Ashes - Celine Dion
Kay Solo
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(view spoiler)[No, I enjoy these! This is... probably going to be long.
In the immediate aftermath, they had kind of a honeymoon effect going on, and they were still a little too busy with the move for it to really sink in. But once they were settled and they started having a daily routine, that's when it started to hit them. It was a lot harder on Maaya, because she lost almost everyone who was close to her during her mission, and then she ended up settling in a new city when she'd never been away from "home" her entire life prior. So she was in a new place with most of her support system gone, having a job for the first time in her life, living with a new person (who she loves, but nevertheless is someone she only knew for a few months), and being the center of attention of basically the entire world. It really stressed her out. She had constant nightmares, especially early on, and she would wake up not knowing where she was or what had happened. So she and Adelaide would have many late-night walks through the city after Maaya would wake up from a nightmare so Maaya could remember where she was and that everything was okay. So while Maaya definitely moved to a more secure and safe spot than she ever was before, she spent a long, long time dealing with the repercussions of what were severely traumatizing events. Because this change to stability is so huge and jarring, it negatively affects her at first, even if the thing itself is positive.
It was a little easier on Adelaide, who had spent many years traveling and being independent. She also had less on the line during the mission in that she didn't lose anyone close to her immediately before she started, and wasn't traveling with her best friend. As the much more confident person who grew into not caring what literally anyone else thought of her, she was better prepared for this. (Also remember that much of Maaya's trauma happened before she even met Adelaide.) Still, since she spent so long defending her country before she and Maaya met, she's got her own internal battles to fight. We saw a little of this in Ghost Ship; she works best when her grip on reality is strong, but when little things happen to undermine that, she starts losing herself in it quickly. Her routine was broken and her trust messed with, and after everything that had happened, she couldn't handle it almost to the point of literally not being able to process what was happening.
Crucially, they cope by sticking together and emphasizing the security and stability in their lives. Maaya needs constant reassurance that she isn't in danger and that this all won't come to a sudden end, and Adelaide is getting used to settling in with a life partner when she's never really had one before (and has always been on the move). So routine might seem boring, but it helps them both because, in a way, they both never had routine. Maaya was always moving houses and never knew where her next meal was coming from, and Adelaide had her own chaotic relationship with her family and was constantly on the move. So their life after GW is enjoying their time together, seeing their friends regularly, and not taking on anything too strenuous. Maaya especially tries to keep things simple, because she's been overwhelmed to the point of shutting down, and recovering from that will take years, if it ever happens at all. And for all her understanding, it's so bad that even Adelaide doesn't truly understand the depths of it.
So there are many long nights where they help each other out of the terror of bad dreams, constantly reassure each other that everything is fine, and they try to seek comfort in their new norm. It's not all pretty. They've had their share of crying and sleepless nights and stress. But they build that foundation of each other's love and support and their friends old and new, and they work at building up from there.
Phew! That was fun, thank you. :D I know it's hard to emphasize just how hard all the events of GW hit them since the book ended just as they were settling in together, but it was pretty serious. It's more than anyone, especially teenagers like them, should ever be asked to take on, and that shows for a long time. (hide spoiler)]
In the immediate aftermath, they had kind of a honeymoon effect going on, and they were still a little too busy with the move for it to really sink in. But once they were settled and they started having a daily routine, that's when it started to hit them. It was a lot harder on Maaya, because she lost almost everyone who was close to her during her mission, and then she ended up settling in a new city when she'd never been away from "home" her entire life prior. So she was in a new place with most of her support system gone, having a job for the first time in her life, living with a new person (who she loves, but nevertheless is someone she only knew for a few months), and being the center of attention of basically the entire world. It really stressed her out. She had constant nightmares, especially early on, and she would wake up not knowing where she was or what had happened. So she and Adelaide would have many late-night walks through the city after Maaya would wake up from a nightmare so Maaya could remember where she was and that everything was okay. So while Maaya definitely moved to a more secure and safe spot than she ever was before, she spent a long, long time dealing with the repercussions of what were severely traumatizing events. Because this change to stability is so huge and jarring, it negatively affects her at first, even if the thing itself is positive.
It was a little easier on Adelaide, who had spent many years traveling and being independent. She also had less on the line during the mission in that she didn't lose anyone close to her immediately before she started, and wasn't traveling with her best friend. As the much more confident person who grew into not caring what literally anyone else thought of her, she was better prepared for this. (Also remember that much of Maaya's trauma happened before she even met Adelaide.) Still, since she spent so long defending her country before she and Maaya met, she's got her own internal battles to fight. We saw a little of this in Ghost Ship; she works best when her grip on reality is strong, but when little things happen to undermine that, she starts losing herself in it quickly. Her routine was broken and her trust messed with, and after everything that had happened, she couldn't handle it almost to the point of literally not being able to process what was happening.
Crucially, they cope by sticking together and emphasizing the security and stability in their lives. Maaya needs constant reassurance that she isn't in danger and that this all won't come to a sudden end, and Adelaide is getting used to settling in with a life partner when she's never really had one before (and has always been on the move). So routine might seem boring, but it helps them both because, in a way, they both never had routine. Maaya was always moving houses and never knew where her next meal was coming from, and Adelaide had her own chaotic relationship with her family and was constantly on the move. So their life after GW is enjoying their time together, seeing their friends regularly, and not taking on anything too strenuous. Maaya especially tries to keep things simple, because she's been overwhelmed to the point of shutting down, and recovering from that will take years, if it ever happens at all. And for all her understanding, it's so bad that even Adelaide doesn't truly understand the depths of it.
So there are many long nights where they help each other out of the terror of bad dreams, constantly reassure each other that everything is fine, and they try to seek comfort in their new norm. It's not all pretty. They've had their share of crying and sleepless nights and stress. But they build that foundation of each other's love and support and their friends old and new, and they work at building up from there.
Phew! That was fun, thank you. :D I know it's hard to emphasize just how hard all the events of GW hit them since the book ended just as they were settling in together, but it was pretty serious. It's more than anyone, especially teenagers like them, should ever be asked to take on, and that shows for a long time. (hide spoiler)]
Rebekah F
This is perfect, thanks for writing all this out. I liked the minor mentions of this in Ghost Ship. Because these really are just kids. They have spec
This is perfect, thanks for writing all this out. I liked the minor mentions of this in Ghost Ship. Because these really are just kids. They have special powers but they're still just teenagers and that's a lot for anyone to go through. I think the fact that they never had time to stop and process on the way because everything was happening so fast was nicely touched on but I like seeing more like this, too. I wouldn't have even thought that the shift to something more stable for Maaya could actually somehow be a bad thing at first.
Not to mention what I get from this is that your character development is stellar. ;) Thanks for indulging me. I like to think about things like this.
I really feel for Maaya. I'm glad that she's found someone understanding like Adelaide, though I also like the distinction that even Adelaide can't understand it completely, which I think is worth pointing out because while she's neuroatypical she is incredibly privileged in many other ways and doesn't share so many of Maaya's experiences. Actually, that makes me think of something else. Do their drastic differences in life experience ever cause any clashes or disagreements, or how does that present itself? ...more
Feb 19, 2019 08:33PM · flag
Not to mention what I get from this is that your character development is stellar. ;) Thanks for indulging me. I like to think about things like this.
I really feel for Maaya. I'm glad that she's found someone understanding like Adelaide, though I also like the distinction that even Adelaide can't understand it completely, which I think is worth pointing out because while she's neuroatypical she is incredibly privileged in many other ways and doesn't share so many of Maaya's experiences. Actually, that makes me think of something else. Do their drastic differences in life experience ever cause any clashes or disagreements, or how does that present itself? ...more
Feb 19, 2019 08:33PM · flag
Kay Solo
Yeah. They both struggle, but in very different ways. And for her part Adelaide had more ways to cope. There are some ways where she simply has to dea
Yeah. They both struggle, but in very different ways. And for her part Adelaide had more ways to cope. There are some ways where she simply has to deal with things on her own, at least partially because mental health care isn't a very advanced field at the time, and a lot of what she's going through doesn't even really have a name yet much less a way to treat it. But she does have a solid foundation to fall back on when she needs it, whereas with Maaya that's totally different.
(Also, thank you, that means so much to hear you have no idea haha.)
It leads to misunderstandings more than disagreements exactly. Adelaide is always willing to listen but her experiences were so vastly different sometimes she just doesn't understand. She's the type of person who understands that buying an expensive product is better in the long run because it lasts longer, but doesn't understand why poor people buy cheap things that break more often instead. She's the kind of person who doesn't immediately understand that all the financial advice about "just save money every month" doesn't work for people who have none to save, or how a single emergency can financially devastate someone. She's never been in a position where she has so little money that she has to seriously think about every tiny purchase and do math and check balances for everything. So Maaya ends up teaching her a loooot about that side of things, thankfully before there are many awkward moments.
Likewise this shows itself in how Maaya acts even months after everything is over. She spends very little frivolously, always keeps track of every cent she has, constantly has to see the numbers before her or she gets anxious, that sort of thing. This isn't to say that Adelaide doesn't understand specifics, because she's in charge of paying her whole crew. But for her personal life it's more like a concept; she knows she has enough and vaguely how much she has, and budgets according to the generalities she has in her head. Whereas Maaya has to see everything written down and figure everything out to the decimal, then check three times to make sure everything is okay and that she hasn't forgotten something. The first time she spontaneously bought lunch for herself from a vendor rather than making it, she felt intensely guilty and then went back and checked all her finances to make sure she would be okay. Adelaide teases her about it sometimes. ...more
Feb 19, 2019 08:54PM · flag
(Also, thank you, that means so much to hear you have no idea haha.)
It leads to misunderstandings more than disagreements exactly. Adelaide is always willing to listen but her experiences were so vastly different sometimes she just doesn't understand. She's the type of person who understands that buying an expensive product is better in the long run because it lasts longer, but doesn't understand why poor people buy cheap things that break more often instead. She's the kind of person who doesn't immediately understand that all the financial advice about "just save money every month" doesn't work for people who have none to save, or how a single emergency can financially devastate someone. She's never been in a position where she has so little money that she has to seriously think about every tiny purchase and do math and check balances for everything. So Maaya ends up teaching her a loooot about that side of things, thankfully before there are many awkward moments.
Likewise this shows itself in how Maaya acts even months after everything is over. She spends very little frivolously, always keeps track of every cent she has, constantly has to see the numbers before her or she gets anxious, that sort of thing. This isn't to say that Adelaide doesn't understand specifics, because she's in charge of paying her whole crew. But for her personal life it's more like a concept; she knows she has enough and vaguely how much she has, and budgets according to the generalities she has in her head. Whereas Maaya has to see everything written down and figure everything out to the decimal, then check three times to make sure everything is okay and that she hasn't forgotten something. The first time she spontaneously bought lunch for herself from a vendor rather than making it, she felt intensely guilty and then went back and checked all her finances to make sure she would be okay. Adelaide teases her about it sometimes. ...more
Feb 19, 2019 08:54PM · flag
Kay Solo
Yeah! So, in the book it is this big mysterious thing that certain people only get tiny glimpses into, and there are so few people who can do it (and their abilities so negatively looked on) that there's very little research or knowledge about it. They know they can do these things, but not really why. But the more specific explanation is that there are these two worlds that are essentially right next to each other with some overlap (which is why ghosts can be in the living world and things like that). Because of that overlap, what happens is on very rare occasions someone will be born into both worlds at once. People like Maaya and Adelaide.
It's a very lopsided ratio; that is, only a very tiny sliver of them is in the other world. But the more a person is a part of the other world, the more they can do. People who are very powerful with libris, for example, are more a part of it than someone who only gets strange feelings when ghosts are around. Unfortunately the characters themselves don't know any of this, but... maybe someday! They are changing the world for the better after all.
As for a playlist, I don't usually have many, but here are the main ones for GW.
1) I Know A Place, by Muna
2) Key of the Twilight, by Yuki Kajiura
3) The Host of Seraphim, by Dead Can Dance
It's a very lopsided ratio; that is, only a very tiny sliver of them is in the other world. But the more a person is a part of the other world, the more they can do. People who are very powerful with libris, for example, are more a part of it than someone who only gets strange feelings when ghosts are around. Unfortunately the characters themselves don't know any of this, but... maybe someday! They are changing the world for the better after all.
As for a playlist, I don't usually have many, but here are the main ones for GW.
1) I Know A Place, by Muna
2) Key of the Twilight, by Yuki Kajiura
3) The Host of Seraphim, by Dead Can Dance
Rebekah F
Oh I see! That's actually super interesting. I kind of figured the worlds weren't completely separate. Is there anything that decides how someone will
Oh I see! That's actually super interesting. I kind of figured the worlds weren't completely separate. Is there anything that decides how someone will be born like that? I assume it's not genetic. And what would happen if someone was born whose ratio was a little more even? Would they be just incredibly powerful?
Good choices on the songs, the last one gave me chills. I knew I recognized it from somewhere though I had to look it up and it was The Mist. Really good choice. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one sounds like it'd be good for when Maaya, Adelaide, and Saber are in the barrier alone going through the dead lands, and the first one would be a good credits song lol. ...more
Nov 16, 2018 11:49PM · flag
Good choices on the songs, the last one gave me chills. I knew I recognized it from somewhere though I had to look it up and it was The Mist. Really good choice. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one sounds like it'd be good for when Maaya, Adelaide, and Saber are in the barrier alone going through the dead lands, and the first one would be a good credits song lol. ...more
Nov 16, 2018 11:49PM · flag
Kay Solo
It's mostly chance, honestly. There's a small chance for it every time someone has a child, and nothing that really influences that chance. As for pow
It's mostly chance, honestly. There's a small chance for it every time someone has a child, and nothing that really influences that chance. As for power, that's also *mostly* up to chance, but people born during certain times of year are more likely to be farther into that world because during certain times of year the worlds are closer to each other. Maaya's an October birthday, so that could have influenced her. Adelaide's a June birthday but... well, she's Adelaide, so. >_> If someone was born more even between the two, though... I honestly don't know, but I don't think they could survive in the living world. The closer you get to the other one, the more powerful you can be, but it also becomes more dangerous. At a point, the overlap would be too jarring and probably mess with that person's sense of reality and their ability to live at all.
Lmao you're right on the money with those guesses actually. And the lyrics to #1 were just... perfect. I didn't even really notice for a while, I just liked the way it sounded. ...more
Nov 17, 2018 12:09AM · flag
Lmao you're right on the money with those guesses actually. And the lyrics to #1 were just... perfect. I didn't even really notice for a while, I just liked the way it sounded. ...more
Nov 17, 2018 12:09AM · flag
Rebekah F
That's really fascinating. Even with the unaccepting part of the world aside I think you could see how that affected the people who could see ghosts a
That's really fascinating. Even with the unaccepting part of the world aside I think you could see how that affected the people who could see ghosts and do libris. It's hard to explain but they were different somehow. Like it was something that was cool and all but also weighed on them. I wonder if that all being such a significant part of Adelaide's growing up is what affected her so much, gave her those "scars on [her] heart." It's definitely not all fun and games.
...more
Nov 17, 2018 12:13AM · flag
Nov 17, 2018 12:13AM · flag
Kay Solo
I've definitely considered it, especially because they were so much fun to write and I'm not quite ready to leave those stories behind. Plus there's just so much that would be genuinely fun to come back to. TDS five years later, origin stories for Maaya and Adelaide, all sorts of things. I don't know if it's worth the actual publishing process, though, like all the editing, the cover art, etc. Only trouble is I'm not sure what the alternative would be. I might try to figure that out. Though I should also really be working on new things, too. 😅
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