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The Uplift Saga #1
Sundiver
No species has ever reached for the stars without the guidance of a patron--except perhaps mankind. Did some mysterious race begin the uplift of humanity aeons ago? Circling the sun, under the caverns of Mercury, Expedition Sundiver prepares for the most momentous voyage in history--a journey into the boiling inferno of the sun.
340 pages, Library Binding
First published January 1, 1980
About the author
David Brin
330 books3,333 followersDavid Brin is a scientist, speaker, and world-known author. His novels have been New York Times Bestsellers, winning multiple Hugo, Nebula and other awards. At least a dozen have been translated into more than twenty languages.
Existence, his latest novel, offers an unusual scenario for first contact. His ecological thriller, Earth, foreshadowed global warming, cyberwarfare and near-future trends such as the World Wide Web. A movie, directed by Kevin Costner, was loosely based on his post-apocalyptic novel, The Postman. Startide Rising won the Hugo and Nebula Awards for best novel. The Uplift War also won the Hugo Award.
His non-fiction book -- The Transparent Society: Will Technology Force Us to Choose Between Freedom and Privacy? -- deals with secrecy in the modern world. It won the Freedom of Speech Prize from the American Library Association.
Brin serves on advisory committees dealing with subjects as diverse as national defense and homeland security, astronomy and space exploration, SETI, nanotechnology, and philanthropy.
David appears frequently on TV, including "The Universe" and on the History Channel's "Life After People."
Full and updated at:
http://www.davidbrin.com/biography.htm
Existence, his latest novel, offers an unusual scenario for first contact. His ecological thriller, Earth, foreshadowed global warming, cyberwarfare and near-future trends such as the World Wide Web. A movie, directed by Kevin Costner, was loosely based on his post-apocalyptic novel, The Postman. Startide Rising won the Hugo and Nebula Awards for best novel. The Uplift War also won the Hugo Award.
His non-fiction book -- The Transparent Society: Will Technology Force Us to Choose Between Freedom and Privacy? -- deals with secrecy in the modern world. It won the Freedom of Speech Prize from the American Library Association.
Brin serves on advisory committees dealing with subjects as diverse as national defense and homeland security, astronomy and space exploration, SETI, nanotechnology, and philanthropy.
David appears frequently on TV, including "The Universe" and on the History Channel's "Life After People."
Full and updated at:
http://www.davidbrin.com/biography.htm
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October 30, 2019
The most fascinating aspect of Brin's work is, next do the development of language depending on the habitat and culture of a species, the idea of uplifting. Many questions, ideas and plot possibilities come with it:
Have we been uplifted? If we have been uplifted, are we living in a kind of alien zoo? Could this be part of the simulation hypothesis?
Is what we do with other animals, such as breeding for thousands of years and now, the hottest new trend, genetic engineering with techniques as CRISPR, not a kind of own style of uplifting?
How will we deal with the rights of species, such as wales, octopus, birds, elephants, monkeys, etc. if they develop very high intelligence naturally by evolution or with our help? How can they be integrated into a human or alien society?
At which point is a species mature enough to be allowed to uplift other species?
If there are different kinds of intelligence, especially with individuals or with hive minds and the uplifter has a preference or completely beliefs in the ideology of one kind of culture, what kind of assimilation is the right one to avoid destroying the culture and polluting it with foreign influences?
Culture is the most difficult topic, cause the danger of Cargo Cults and directed, technical development that destroys uniqueness and creativity are ubiquitous.
What about the right so stay primitive or at a certain level without further development, because the species prefers to stop all developments at a certain level that seems adequate to them?
This is one of the most astonishing magic capabilities of Sci-Fi, to let the reader with more open than answered questions after finishing reading. Imagine just the sheer amount of all movie, game and literature alien species with extremely detailed culture and how many possibilities of how they might influence each other in a fictive crossover can grow out of a simple mind game. Just Stark Trek vs Star Wars would be an infinite war of possibilities and fandom.
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Have we been uplifted? If we have been uplifted, are we living in a kind of alien zoo? Could this be part of the simulation hypothesis?
Is what we do with other animals, such as breeding for thousands of years and now, the hottest new trend, genetic engineering with techniques as CRISPR, not a kind of own style of uplifting?
How will we deal with the rights of species, such as wales, octopus, birds, elephants, monkeys, etc. if they develop very high intelligence naturally by evolution or with our help? How can they be integrated into a human or alien society?
At which point is a species mature enough to be allowed to uplift other species?
If there are different kinds of intelligence, especially with individuals or with hive minds and the uplifter has a preference or completely beliefs in the ideology of one kind of culture, what kind of assimilation is the right one to avoid destroying the culture and polluting it with foreign influences?
Culture is the most difficult topic, cause the danger of Cargo Cults and directed, technical development that destroys uniqueness and creativity are ubiquitous.
What about the right so stay primitive or at a certain level without further development, because the species prefers to stop all developments at a certain level that seems adequate to them?
This is one of the most astonishing magic capabilities of Sci-Fi, to let the reader with more open than answered questions after finishing reading. Imagine just the sheer amount of all movie, game and literature alien species with extremely detailed culture and how many possibilities of how they might influence each other in a fictive crossover can grow out of a simple mind game. Just Stark Trek vs Star Wars would be an infinite war of possibilities and fandom.
Tropes show how literature is conceived and which mixture of elements makes works and genres unique:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...
July 11, 2013
Christmas 2010: I realised that I had got stuck in a rut. I was re-reading old favourites again and again, waiting for a few trusted authors to release new works. Something had to be done.
On the spur of the moment I set myself a challenge, to read every book to have won the Locus Sci-Fi award. That’s 35 books, 6 of which I’d previously read, leaving 29 titles by 14 authors who were new to me.
While working through this reading list I got married, went on my honeymoon, switched career and became a father. As such these stories became imprinted on my memory as the soundtrack to the happiest period in my life (so far).
There are three books I’ve considered ‘honorary’ members of my Locus Quest reading list. In circumstances where books two and three of a trilogy are award winners, it seems only fair to read the first book in that series to understand the full story and context.
Green Mars and Blue Mars are award winners – so I needed to read Red Mars , even though it wasn’t a winner.
The Confusion and System of the World are award winners – so I needed to read Quicksilver , even though it wasn’t a winner.
Startide Rising and The Uplift War are award winners – so I needed to read Sundiver , even though it wasn’t a winner.
I wasn’t disappointed to read Red Mars or Quicksilver – they are both excellent books and essential parts of their series. Sundiver is not: it’s not an excellent book, and it’s not an essential part of the series.
I’ve since read Startide Rising and The Uplift War – Brin came up with a great concept and it’s an interesting series which definitely picks up after this patchy start. Each book basically stands alone; they’re set in the same universe in a linear timeline, but on different worlds and with different characters. Startide Rising and The Uplift War are at least causally linked - the events of Startide Rising lead, by political chain reaction, to the events of The Uplift War . The same cannot be said of Sundiver . Events here are mentioned briefly in the following books, but are basically irrelevant.
As I said – the concept for the series is excellent. The universe is filled with hundreds of sentient species, each intent on ‘uplifting’ pre-sentient races into spacefaring civilisations. They’re rewarded for their efforts with prestige and a thousand year patron-client (master-slave) relationship with their newly uplifted underlings. Every species can trace their patrons’ patrons like aristocratic ancestry back into the mists of time. Humanity is the only known species to reach the stars without a patron, to have uplifted itself! We are the ‘wolflings’, the rogue state, the fresh meat, the loose cannons! The stage is set – it’s a great concept.
What gives The Uplift Saga a bit of extra spice is that humans have clients of their own. They’re not fully uplifted yet, but before we discovered the galactic civilization waiting out there in the stars, humans have already been meddling with the genes of our most intelligent fellow Earthlings: chimps and dolphins are close to full, independent sentience. It’s this thread which pays huge dividends in the rest of the series – Startide Rising focuses on a starship crewed by dolphins and The Uplift War is set on a genuine planet of the apes (populated by chimps themselves trying to uplift gorillas). Sadly, these mighty oaks are still acorns in Sundiver – we briefly meet a semi-sentient dolphin at the start, and a genius (but pre-vocal chimp) is a significant character – but we’re still keeping mankind front and centre.
This is basically a detective story. Something kooky is going down in the Sundiver Spacestation (where humans are flying special ships deep into the sun) and our hero, a sort of zen-psycho, is called in to investigate. He stumbles into some galactic political machinations (some jockeying for control over humans, some fighting amongst themselves and using us as pawns) which are muddying the waters around a research breakthrough regarding lifeforms residing in the outer layers of the sun.
Still sounds good, doesn’t it?
Sadly the execution feels dated and… silly. There’s no other word I can think of. Of course the humans outwitted the aliens, we’re just better, duh! The alien politics are a long way from Machiavellian and their behaviour kind of juvenile. Our hero is an oddball I never came to love.
It’s not terrible – but it’s awfully blah.
The rest of The Uplift Saga is better – do yourself a favour and skip Sundiver ! Start with Startide Rising , you wont miss much.
February 18, 2026
Потапянето в качествена научна фантастика всеки път ми доставя огромно удоволствие... Според мен, не е от значение дали авторът ще познае някои събития или устройства от бъдещето, а е най-важно това, че изобщо подтиква човечеството към размисли по научни и морални теми. „Потапяне в Слънцето“ се оказа много хубава и смислена книга, която представлява и силно начало на поредица, така че определено ще прочета и останалите части от „Сагата за Ъплифта“ на Дейвид Брин.
Действието в романа се развива в бъдеще, в което хората вече са влезли в контакт с други разумни извънземни раси. Идеята за ъплифтирането между различни видове във Вселената е страшно любопитна и вълнуваща. Сюжетът проследява загадъчен проект за проучване на Слънцето, но всъщност задълбочено разглежда сложните взаимоотношения между различни цивилизации и култури...
Действието в романа се развива в бъдеще, в което хората вече са влезли в контакт с други разумни извънземни раси. Идеята за ъплифтирането между различни видове във Вселената е страшно любопитна и вълнуваща. Сюжетът проследява загадъчен проект за проучване на Слънцето, но всъщност задълбочено разглежда сложните взаимоотношения между различни цивилизации и култури...
January 21, 2010
I really disliked this book. This may have been due in part that I listened to the audible edition and I'm not a fan of George Wilson as a narrator.
The protagonist in this book, Jacob, is tedious and unbelievable. The author builds him up as a world-weary, zen, super scientist, martial-artist with a Mr. Hyde-like split personality that he needs keep in check.
Al the other characters in this book are diminutive to Jacob.
The women in the novel are little better than 2-dimensional window dressing. Of course, the female captain of the Sundiver spaceship is fit, tough, incredibly attractive, lascivious and unapproachable. And, of course, it's only a matter of time before she let's down her guard and buries her head in Jacob's shoulder.
I don't know David Brin's story, but Sundiver leaves me thinking that the author has a serious ego deficit that he needs to compensate for with his heros.
I decided to read this in preparation to read Startide Rising, which won the 1983 Hugo award for best novel. Unless I hear differently, I may very skip that one.
The protagonist in this book, Jacob, is tedious and unbelievable. The author builds him up as a world-weary, zen, super scientist, martial-artist with a Mr. Hyde-like split personality that he needs keep in check.
Al the other characters in this book are diminutive to Jacob.
The women in the novel are little better than 2-dimensional window dressing. Of course, the female captain of the Sundiver spaceship is fit, tough, incredibly attractive, lascivious and unapproachable. And, of course, it's only a matter of time before she let's down her guard and buries her head in Jacob's shoulder.
I don't know David Brin's story, but Sundiver leaves me thinking that the author has a serious ego deficit that he needs to compensate for with his heros.
I decided to read this in preparation to read Startide Rising, which won the 1983 Hugo award for best novel. Unless I hear differently, I may very skip that one.
March 23, 2026
Реших да препрочета тази значима поредица на Брин, но в хронологичен ред.
"Потапяне в слънцето" е много интересен sci-fi роман, който полага основите на една наистина уникална книжна Вселена.
В нея, ние хората сме достигнали звездите, за да установим, че те са пълни с живот и че цивилизации на милиони години все още участват в голямата политическа комбинация от войни, съюзи и дипломация. Но хората нямат свои могъщи покровители, които да са ги дарили с разум - това много им пречи и дразни много от галактическите раси, било то господари или подчинени разумни видове.
Младото човечество плава сред много опасни и непознати за него отношения и съюзи, в опит да намери място за себе си и за своите клиентски видове - шимпанзетата и делфините.
Опит за изследване на нашето слънце дава неочаквани резултати и дори института на всемогъщата вселенска библиотека е заинтригуван от новите знания и открития на човеците. Интригата се завърта с пълна сила!
Извънземните и хората на Брин са много оригинално и умело създадени, удоволствие е да се потопиш в историите му!
Българската корица е крайно грозна.
Продължавам напред с втората книга от серията - "Звездна вълна се надига"!
"Потапяне в слънцето" е много интересен sci-fi роман, който полага основите на една наистина уникална книжна Вселена.
В нея, ние хората сме достигнали звездите, за да установим, че те са пълни с живот и че цивилизации на милиони години все още участват в голямата политическа комбинация от войни, съюзи и дипломация. Но хората нямат свои могъщи покровители, които да са ги дарили с разум - това много им пречи и дразни много от галактическите раси, било то господари или подчинени разумни видове.
Младото човечество плава сред много опасни и непознати за него отношения и съюзи, в опит да намери място за себе си и за своите клиентски видове - шимпанзетата и делфините.
Опит за изследване на нашето слънце дава неочаквани резултати и дори института на всемогъщата вселенска библиотека е заинтригуван от новите знания и открития на човеците. Интригата се завърта с пълна сила!
Извънземните и хората на Брин са много оригинално и умело създадени, удоволствие е да се потопиш в историите му!
Българската корица е крайно грозна.
Продължавам напред с втората книга от серията - "Звездна вълна се надига"!
April 14, 2012
This is science fiction from 1980 and is therefore not obsessed with:
1) Computers.
2) Nanotech.
3) Wormholes.
This makes it rather refreshing. Instead this book uses an old theme, prevalent in post-WWII American SF: Humans (read the USA) are superior to everybody else. In this example, humans are technologically outclassed by every other space-faring species in the galaxy but are superior because their intelligence evolved naturally instead of being the result of genetic manipulation by an older species. Or maybe not - it's the hottest debate in the galaxy. Various species think humans are upstarts. Others - usually also younger species - kinda like humans. Devious, nefarious politics ensues and our protagonist gets caught up in it.
A slow start leads on to an exciting Poirot-style murder mystery and then a further action-adventure in the chromosphere of the sun, where life has been discovered. Apart from being a compelling story, the main interesting thing in the book is this sun-life. I'm sure I've come across the idea of star life before but never in as much detail.
Inevitably this is the first volume of a series; I'm inclined to carry on with it if I spot the remaining volumes.
1) Computers.
2) Nanotech.
3) Wormholes.
This makes it rather refreshing. Instead this book uses an old theme, prevalent in post-WWII American SF: Humans (read the USA) are superior to everybody else. In this example, humans are technologically outclassed by every other space-faring species in the galaxy but are superior because their intelligence evolved naturally instead of being the result of genetic manipulation by an older species. Or maybe not - it's the hottest debate in the galaxy. Various species think humans are upstarts. Others - usually also younger species - kinda like humans. Devious, nefarious politics ensues and our protagonist gets caught up in it.
A slow start leads on to an exciting Poirot-style murder mystery and then a further action-adventure in the chromosphere of the sun, where life has been discovered. Apart from being a compelling story, the main interesting thing in the book is this sun-life. I'm sure I've come across the idea of star life before but never in as much detail.
Inevitably this is the first volume of a series; I'm inclined to carry on with it if I spot the remaining volumes.
December 8, 2023
This was such a fun ride to the sun, literally! In Brin's Uplift universe, humans are an anomaly: a sentient space-faring species without an obvious patron race to get them up and going. This has created some jealously among the patron alien races and this conflict becomes fatal during the diving into the sun to find answers to these questions. Does it sound a bit crazy? Well, it is, but it is also very well done. The characters are engaging, the aliens are freaky and interesting, and the action is non-stop. I liked the physics of the sundiver as well as the idea of a Library of knowledge since the beginning of sentient time. The execution here was great, but it was just an introduction to the excellence I have found so far in the sequel, 200 years later in Startide Rising
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July 26, 2025
Jacob Demwa does not want to be part of the 'Sundiver' (eponymous book one in the Uplift Saga) project. He is enjoying his current job on Earth at the Center for Uplift working with uplifted dolphins, testing their IQs and ability to work with mechanized tools. The dolphins are not as far along intellectually as the uplifted chimpanzees, but he enjoys their company nonetheless. But when the alien Fagin, a Kanten who is in charge of the Institute of Progress, asks him to join Dr. Dwayne Kepler of the Sundiver Expedition to research Mercury and the solar chromosphere, a project involving the use of new spaceships built with a combination of Earth science and technology mixed with the new alien technology from the aliens' galactic Institute of the Library, eventually Jacob gives in.
Jacob's reluctance is due to his grief over the death of his wife - he simply doesn't feel up to the rigors of dealing with the ongoing politics of various competing politicians, both alien and human. However, the opportunity to work with Bubbacub, the Pil in charge of the Earth Branch of the Library Institute, the most important alien ambassador on Earth who also is in charge of the most important institution on Earth, entices Jacob to take the job. He is also very curious about the other alien he meets for the first time - Culla, a Pring who is acting as a servant to Bubbacub. Prings are a client race of the Patron Pilas.
All recently uplifted intelligent aliens must serve a Patron/Client period of a thousand years after a Patron race has uplifted Client aliens to intelligent sentience from the lowly state of mere instinctual animals. As it happened, humans have uplifted dolphins and chimps, the minimum number of uplifts required to be awarded Patron status in this universe of David Brin, the author. Humans had serendipitously been working on uplifting Earth animals before they knew about any space aliens or their Patron/Client political system. However, some of the alien Patron races feel humans do not deserve Patron status despite the uplift of dolphins and chimps because the aliens could not determine who uplifted humans. Many ET (extraterrestrial) races consider humans a wild-wolf species who mysteriously became a high tech society without a Patron who taught them from the resources of the Library, and it is very disturbing to them.
The journey to the underground base on Mercury is uneventful, but after scientists show Jacob what they discovered and why they wanted Jacob's help, a murder is committed! Everyone there has been cleared by psychological exams of being capable of murder! Who did it and why? They all could die next! One of them is a being a bad alien...
This is a fun hard-science read. I liked it a lot, but some readers thought it old-fashioned or dated. 'Sundiver' was first published in 1980, which I consider in the golden age of adult literary science fiction (the 1950's are usually called the 'Golden Age of science fiction', but I don't agree as many of the SF books I've read from that stifling 1950's era seem ploddingly mechanical to me). 'Sundiver' is book one in the Uplift series and it introduces in a whirlwind manner Brin's uplift universe. Some readers thought the tech was old, but I think I should mention the TV show 'Star Trek' was first shown in 1966, and the first men walked on the moon in 1969. I do not think the technology and science in this novel so very dated at all as it surpasses what we had to get men on the moon and equals the technology of the original Star Trek TV show.
Jacob's reluctance is due to his grief over the death of his wife - he simply doesn't feel up to the rigors of dealing with the ongoing politics of various competing politicians, both alien and human. However, the opportunity to work with Bubbacub, the Pil in charge of the Earth Branch of the Library Institute, the most important alien ambassador on Earth who also is in charge of the most important institution on Earth, entices Jacob to take the job. He is also very curious about the other alien he meets for the first time - Culla, a Pring who is acting as a servant to Bubbacub. Prings are a client race of the Patron Pilas.
All recently uplifted intelligent aliens must serve a Patron/Client period of a thousand years after a Patron race has uplifted Client aliens to intelligent sentience from the lowly state of mere instinctual animals. As it happened, humans have uplifted dolphins and chimps, the minimum number of uplifts required to be awarded Patron status in this universe of David Brin, the author. Humans had serendipitously been working on uplifting Earth animals before they knew about any space aliens or their Patron/Client political system. However, some of the alien Patron races feel humans do not deserve Patron status despite the uplift of dolphins and chimps because the aliens could not determine who uplifted humans. Many ET (extraterrestrial) races consider humans a wild-wolf species who mysteriously became a high tech society without a Patron who taught them from the resources of the Library, and it is very disturbing to them.
The journey to the underground base on Mercury is uneventful, but after scientists show Jacob what they discovered and why they wanted Jacob's help, a murder is committed! Everyone there has been cleared by psychological exams of being capable of murder! Who did it and why? They all could die next! One of them is a being a bad alien...
This is a fun hard-science read. I liked it a lot, but some readers thought it old-fashioned or dated. 'Sundiver' was first published in 1980, which I consider in the golden age of adult literary science fiction (the 1950's are usually called the 'Golden Age of science fiction', but I don't agree as many of the SF books I've read from that stifling 1950's era seem ploddingly mechanical to me). 'Sundiver' is book one in the Uplift series and it introduces in a whirlwind manner Brin's uplift universe. Some readers thought the tech was old, but I think I should mention the TV show 'Star Trek' was first shown in 1966, and the first men walked on the moon in 1969. I do not think the technology and science in this novel so very dated at all as it surpasses what we had to get men on the moon and equals the technology of the original Star Trek TV show.
June 6, 2023
We're back in the Uplift world. Or, to be more precise, this is the first book in the series.
Background:
All sentient species in the galaxy have been uplifted by another species, serve their benefactors for a certain period of time, then becoming their own masters (followed by the decline of the species, usually). Who started it all, nobody knows. What is peculiar, though, is that humans arrive on the map without having been uplifted by anyone, apparently. Moreover, they have started uplifting dolphins and chimps (potentially even canines) without demanding anything from them in return. This irks some alien species.
In this particular volume, the main character is Jacob Demwa, a scientific investigator, who works at an uplift center on Earth after a certain event that killed the love of his life. He is still traumatized by these previous events when he is offered a job by an alien friend. As it turns out, "ghosts" have been observed on the second layer of the sun's atmosphere. These "ghosts" aren't listed in the galactic library and seem to be yet another self-sentient race arising in the Solar System.
After meeting his colleagues for this project on Mercury, they journey on the titular Sundiver, a spherical space ship designed to approach the Sun (it has living quarters on one side and a large instrumentation section on the other).
The question is, are the "ghosts" a threat? Benevolent? Neither? And are they really the biggest problem to the research team and the inhabitants of the Solar System?
Once again, we get a wonderful exploration story by Brin. The concept of these aliens was more ... alien. *lol* Ok, let's call it more abstract. Which only deepened the mystery. Add to that the book also included a murder / whodunnit and you can imagine how hooked I was.
Equally, about as much as because it gave us adventure, mystery AND (character as well as nature) exploration all in one.
Not to mention that Jacob . Not that that was surprising, but it made for an interesting twist!
However, it wasn't just what happened in the book but also how. The story's structure was superbly done. Moreover, the characters were nicely unique and highly entertaining (I really hated LaRoque for example).
The ending was a bit ... open, I guess. Though I have to admit that I didn't mind at all. The mystery was solved after all and there ARE more books in the series.
Great work of science fiction that I'd call a classic (but I would never read this volume as the first book in the series, rather as 3rd).
Background:
All sentient species in the galaxy have been uplifted by another species, serve their benefactors for a certain period of time, then becoming their own masters (followed by the decline of the species, usually). Who started it all, nobody knows. What is peculiar, though, is that humans arrive on the map without having been uplifted by anyone, apparently. Moreover, they have started uplifting dolphins and chimps (potentially even canines) without demanding anything from them in return. This irks some alien species.
In this particular volume, the main character is Jacob Demwa, a scientific investigator, who works at an uplift center on Earth after a certain event that killed the love of his life. He is still traumatized by these previous events when he is offered a job by an alien friend. As it turns out, "ghosts" have been observed on the second layer of the sun's atmosphere. These "ghosts" aren't listed in the galactic library and seem to be yet another self-sentient race arising in the Solar System.
After meeting his colleagues for this project on Mercury, they journey on the titular Sundiver, a spherical space ship designed to approach the Sun (it has living quarters on one side and a large instrumentation section on the other).
The question is, are the "ghosts" a threat? Benevolent? Neither? And are they really the biggest problem to the research team and the inhabitants of the Solar System?
Once again, we get a wonderful exploration story by Brin. The concept of these aliens was more ... alien. *lol* Ok, let's call it more abstract. Which only deepened the mystery. Add to that the book also included a murder / whodunnit and you can imagine how hooked I was.
Equally, about as much as because it gave us adventure, mystery AND (character as well as nature) exploration all in one.
Not to mention that Jacob . Not that that was surprising, but it made for an interesting twist!
However, it wasn't just what happened in the book but also how. The story's structure was superbly done. Moreover, the characters were nicely unique and highly entertaining (I really hated LaRoque for example).
The ending was a bit ... open, I guess. Though I have to admit that I didn't mind at all. The mystery was solved after all and there ARE more books in the series.
Great work of science fiction that I'd call a classic (but I would never read this volume as the first book in the series, rather as 3rd).
June 7, 2021
-Trazos gruesos para crear un dibujo posterior interesante que aquí, todavía, no se puede ver.-
Género. Ciencia ficción.
Lo que nos cuenta. El libro Inmersor solar (publicación original: Sundiver, 1980) nos lleva al siglo XXIII y nos presenta a Jacob Demwa, un científico acostumbrado a tratar con especies alienígenas y que terminará formando parte de una expedición hasta la fotosfera solar. Y es que, por una parte, en el universo es muy común que unas especies desarrolladas, conocidas como patrones, ayuden a otras a moverse fuera de sus planetas, conocidas como clientes, pero el caso de la Tierra es uno poco común, que no único, en el que no hizo falta dicha intervención. Y, por otra parte, alguna de esas especies parece haber registrado algún tipo de criatura inteligente moviéndose entre las capas externas e intermedias del Sol. Libro también conocido como Navegante solar y primer volumen de la serie La elevación de los pupilos.
¿Quiere saber más de este libro, sin spoilers? Visite:
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Género. Ciencia ficción.
Lo que nos cuenta. El libro Inmersor solar (publicación original: Sundiver, 1980) nos lleva al siglo XXIII y nos presenta a Jacob Demwa, un científico acostumbrado a tratar con especies alienígenas y que terminará formando parte de una expedición hasta la fotosfera solar. Y es que, por una parte, en el universo es muy común que unas especies desarrolladas, conocidas como patrones, ayuden a otras a moverse fuera de sus planetas, conocidas como clientes, pero el caso de la Tierra es uno poco común, que no único, en el que no hizo falta dicha intervención. Y, por otra parte, alguna de esas especies parece haber registrado algún tipo de criatura inteligente moviéndose entre las capas externas e intermedias del Sol. Libro también conocido como Navegante solar y primer volumen de la serie La elevación de los pupilos.
¿Quiere saber más de este libro, sin spoilers? Visite:
https://librosdeolethros.blogspot.com...
April 26, 2023
David Brin's first novel - the first book in the Uplift Saga - is a hot mess, spewing ideas all over the place like a blender with the lid off. First and foremost is the idea of "uplift" where an advanced species takes mentorship of a less-advanced species (if this sounds familiar, you may have read Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky which would build on this idea 35 years later, including an opening chapter set on a ship named "Brin"); Earth examples in this story involve chimpanzees and dolphins but we're introduced to several alien species who also fill a Mentor or Mentee role. The aliens themselves are all relatively humanoid and their political bickering promises to inform the plot of the sequels to some degree. One of the aliens supervises the Earth branch of a "library" that contains, apparently, all knowledge in the known universe, like a less-snarky Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. There's also the Sundiver project involving exploratory manned (or in one case "chimped") flights into the sun's chromosphere, where another sentient species is discovered to live. There's a hero from a prominent Earth family who works on a dolphin uplift project and is haunted by his past and a lost love and maybe even battling with some mental issues. And there's a closed room, or closed "ship," murder mystery to unravel. Oh, and there's some weird segregation thing on Earth where people who have genetic potential for violence are restricted from benefits accorded to those who, uh, don't? Some of these ideas are developed adequately; others are certainly not. Worst of all, the pacing lurches and the storyline is just not very coherent, leaping from one topic to another as though at random and never coalescing into any coherent whole and the potential is never fulfilled. Brin apparently corrected these first novel issues three years later with his second novel, the second book in the Uplift series Startide Rising, a rare "Triple Crown" winner of the Hugo, Nebula and Locus awards for Best Novel.
June 6, 2023
Back in the old days, when the Uplift war had just been published, I was just then reading all of Brin for the first time and LOVING it. When I thought to myself, "Hey, how did Sundiver stack up against Startide Rising or Uplift War, I said, 'It was super solid but it just didn't have that same KICK the others had,' and I was right."
The fantastic science of the Sun's Physics, possible real options to send not just a probe, but ourselves into the photosphere, was enough to carry this novel. Throw in a VAST alien cosmography, a brilliant world-building universe of Brin's, an equally vast future-history of Earth, and not just one but three top-class scientific and old-school mysteries and a unique adventure, and this book easily outstrips most modern SF.
So yeah, when I read this back in the day, I poo'd on it because it wasn't AS brilliant as the TRULY BRILLIANT novels that came later, but this should not make a dent in the objective brilliance of THIS novel.
Honestly. It's one of the greats. I loved it -- AGAIN -- on re-read. I wish all SF could be as rich.
The fantastic science of the Sun's Physics, possible real options to send not just a probe, but ourselves into the photosphere, was enough to carry this novel. Throw in a VAST alien cosmography, a brilliant world-building universe of Brin's, an equally vast future-history of Earth, and not just one but three top-class scientific and old-school mysteries and a unique adventure, and this book easily outstrips most modern SF.
So yeah, when I read this back in the day, I poo'd on it because it wasn't AS brilliant as the TRULY BRILLIANT novels that came later, but this should not make a dent in the objective brilliance of THIS novel.
Honestly. It's one of the greats. I loved it -- AGAIN -- on re-read. I wish all SF could be as rich.
August 31, 2020
Con Navegante solar (1980) comienza la primera trilogía de La elevación de los pupilos de David Brin (1950-). Se trata de una vasta obra (sobre 3000 páginas) en la cual, aparte de encontrarnos con una fantástica space opera, podemos disfrutar de un ambiente complejo (un worldbuilbing bien construido) con distintas galaxias, sistemas, planetas, ordenes de vida, especies, etc., sin que decaiga la acción en general. Acción que sucede en un momento crucial para el cúmulo de 5 galaxias en dónde se desarrolla. Los personajes protagonistas son realmente entrañables y considero un acierto haber elegido un grupo tan heterogéneo con la única similar característica de la juventud. Quien llegue hasta el final de las seis novelas, quizá esté de acuerdo conmigo.
Se trata, por tanto, de un proyecto ambicioso y que hay que abordar leyendo de antemano los índices y glosarios para tener más o menos claro las diferentes especies, términos científicos y demás nombres que el autor idea para explicar los hechos que suceden a lo largo de la historia. (De hecho, esta primera novela podría entenderse casi como una introducción y es la menos amena).
Es necesario decir que existen diferencias obvias entre unas novelas y otras, algunas son más space opera, otras son más descriptivas, otras muestran ambientes más reducidos y sentimientos más generales, sin embargo, en mi opinión, las seis obras mantienen una calidad suficiente para ser leídas con satisfacción por los amantes de la Ciencia Ficción. Yo al menos no me aburrí.
Se trata, por tanto, de un proyecto ambicioso y que hay que abordar leyendo de antemano los índices y glosarios para tener más o menos claro las diferentes especies, términos científicos y demás nombres que el autor idea para explicar los hechos que suceden a lo largo de la historia. (De hecho, esta primera novela podría entenderse casi como una introducción y es la menos amena).
Es necesario decir que existen diferencias obvias entre unas novelas y otras, algunas son más space opera, otras son más descriptivas, otras muestran ambientes más reducidos y sentimientos más generales, sin embargo, en mi opinión, las seis obras mantienen una calidad suficiente para ser leídas con satisfacción por los amantes de la Ciencia Ficción. Yo al menos no me aburrí.
April 29, 2022
I finally read this book after reading every other book in the series.
And I could have skipped it entirely.
I say this not to be cruel to one of Brin's first books, but for all the reviewers who were discouraged by this one and decided not to go on.
Startide Rising is easily 10x better than this one. And one of my favorite books of all time.
Please read it.
It takes the awesome world-building of this book: million year old civilizations, uplift and patronage, and resentment to wolfling Earth, and adds inter-species intrigue, a space-fought battle-royal, and desperate Earthclan underdog ingenuity.
Don't. Stop. Here.
And I could have skipped it entirely.
I say this not to be cruel to one of Brin's first books, but for all the reviewers who were discouraged by this one and decided not to go on.
Startide Rising is easily 10x better than this one. And one of my favorite books of all time.
Please read it.
It takes the awesome world-building of this book: million year old civilizations, uplift and patronage, and resentment to wolfling Earth, and adds inter-species intrigue, a space-fought battle-royal, and desperate Earthclan underdog ingenuity.
Don't. Stop. Here.
February 23, 2017
2246. Într-o Galaxie în care prestigiul fiecărei specii inteligente este dat de numărul Protectorilor care i-au îndrumat evoluția și de cel al Protejaților săi, statutul umanității este destul de incert. Dar Biblioteca Galactică, păstrătoarea istoriei și cunoștințelor fiecărei civilizații cunoscute, nu conține nici o mențiune referitoare la originea omenirii ca specie, iar pământenii sunt divizați între susținătorii evoluției naturale independente (darwinismul) și adepții ideii unei dezvoltări inițiate și controlate de o rasă extraterestră străveche (dänikenismul). Așadar, a evoluat omenirea fără nici un fel de ajutor, lucru care ar face-o unică în Galaxie, sau a fost influențată de niște binefăcători pierduți în negurile timpului? Poate că răspunsul se află în Soare, iar în căutarea sa pornește doctorul Kepler, coordonatorul proiectului "Exploratorii soarelui", și însoțitorii săi.
Mi s-a părut interesantă ideea dezvoltării supravegheate a unor specii inteligente (delfini, cimpanzei), precum și premisa căutării unei origini a umanității, dar transpunerea conceptului în practică a scârțâit... Desfășurarea acțiunii mi s-a părut de multe ori confuză, de parcă autorul nu s-ar fi putut hotărî cine și de ce este personajul negativ, iar finalul... Finalul mi-a lăsat un gust amar.
În Preistorie şi în vremuri îndepărtate, Pământul a fost vizitat de ființe necunoscute venind din spațiu. Aceste ființe necunoscute au creat inteligența umană printr-o mutație genetică intenționata. Extratereștrii i-au înnobilat pe hominizi „cu propria lor imagine”.
De aceea, noi le semănăm lor și nu ei nouă.
Erich Von Däniken, Amintiri despre viitor
3.5 - 4 ✩
Mi s-a părut interesantă ideea dezvoltării supravegheate a unor specii inteligente (delfini, cimpanzei), precum și premisa căutării unei origini a umanității, dar transpunerea conceptului în practică a scârțâit... Desfășurarea acțiunii mi s-a părut de multe ori confuză, de parcă autorul nu s-ar fi putut hotărî cine și de ce este personajul negativ, iar finalul... Finalul mi-a lăsat un gust amar.
În Preistorie şi în vremuri îndepărtate, Pământul a fost vizitat de ființe necunoscute venind din spațiu. Aceste ființe necunoscute au creat inteligența umană printr-o mutație genetică intenționata. Extratereștrii i-au înnobilat pe hominizi „cu propria lor imagine”.
De aceea, noi le semănăm lor și nu ei nouă.
Erich Von Däniken, Amintiri despre viitor
3.5 - 4 ✩
June 7, 2015
Mr. von Däniken must be very proud that his beliefs became the other evolutionary theory in this saga: Dänikenism versus Darwinism. You can almost glimpse the birth of Ancient Aliens ;)) Series I very much liked (well, some of the episodes, at least), which, unfortunately, I cannot say about this first part of the Uplift Saga.
The main character, Jacob Darwa, is a sort of Hercule Poirot in a galactic interracial plot. A team composed of humans and a few more races of aliens starts an expedition to discover a new race which lives in the sun's chromosphere. Which sounds pretty good until you start reading.
The narration has no substance, I think 95% of it consists in dialogues between the crew members. The aliens seem to be cut from a comic book, the descriptions are sketched, there is nothing to keep your interest going. Maybe I had expected something else and that's the reason for not liking it. But since the 2nd part won two major prizes (and I'm curious for what), I guess I will give this series another try someday.
The main character, Jacob Darwa, is a sort of Hercule Poirot in a galactic interracial plot. A team composed of humans and a few more races of aliens starts an expedition to discover a new race which lives in the sun's chromosphere. Which sounds pretty good until you start reading.
The narration has no substance, I think 95% of it consists in dialogues between the crew members. The aliens seem to be cut from a comic book, the descriptions are sketched, there is nothing to keep your interest going. Maybe I had expected something else and that's the reason for not liking it. But since the 2nd part won two major prizes (and I'm curious for what), I guess I will give this series another try someday.
March 18, 2014
4 Stars
My first David Brin novel. I enjoyed this high concept science fiction novel. It is a fun adventure to the depths of our sun itself. Aliens, monsters, and ghosts fill the action scenes. All the while this is a novel filled with politics and racism.
I liked the unfolding of the mysteries of this book, it could have been a gem. The ending plays out in an almost anticlimactic way. It was a let down.
I will read more from him.
My first David Brin novel. I enjoyed this high concept science fiction novel. It is a fun adventure to the depths of our sun itself. Aliens, monsters, and ghosts fill the action scenes. All the while this is a novel filled with politics and racism.
I liked the unfolding of the mysteries of this book, it could have been a gem. The ending plays out in an almost anticlimactic way. It was a let down.
I will read more from him.
December 22, 2024
Enjoyable and possibly underrated.
In a universe where all intelligent life has to be “uplifted” by a patron race, humanity is one of few that is a big unknown. Did our patron species abandon us? Or were we an exception in a wide universe? This story follows Jacob, one of several humans assigned on a new mission to explore the Sun, where we suspect undiscovered alien life might exsist! Could they be the patron race that uplifted humanity?
Beyond the awe of this creative discovery, Brin mixes this with the question and doubt he plants in reader’s mind: Were humans uplifted?
This was a fun story and am interested in picking up the rest of this very awarded series….
In a universe where all intelligent life has to be “uplifted” by a patron race, humanity is one of few that is a big unknown. Did our patron species abandon us? Or were we an exception in a wide universe? This story follows Jacob, one of several humans assigned on a new mission to explore the Sun, where we suspect undiscovered alien life might exsist! Could they be the patron race that uplifted humanity?
Beyond the awe of this creative discovery, Brin mixes this with the question and doubt he plants in reader’s mind: Were humans uplifted?
This was a fun story and am interested in picking up the rest of this very awarded series….
May 23, 2020
I loved the concept of uplifting. My youth obsession with Von Däniken's theories came to a full circle here (I hadn't thought of him or his theories in ages and it was like a coming home to be suddenly confronted with them in this novel). Equally great were the going ons around the sun (won't say too much cause it is beautiful to experience it together with the crew).
The overall feeling was a bit Star Trekkie, which, again, was nice.
Yet the story and the structure/characters felt dated and so only came up to a very entertaining 3 stars. But I'm really looking forward to the next books in the series, cause entertaining SF that actually deals with the SF is not to be sneezed at.
The overall feeling was a bit Star Trekkie, which, again, was nice.
Yet the story and the structure/characters felt dated and so only came up to a very entertaining 3 stars. But I'm really looking forward to the next books in the series, cause entertaining SF that actually deals with the SF is not to be sneezed at.
January 8, 2021
DNF @ 11%.
Felt absolutely no connection with anything in this book. After reading more than 1/10 of it, the sole fact I can remember, is that lead dude is James. The book felt boring as hell and names, names, names everywhere. And I hate books that just throws you into a lake of names and says "go figure them out by yourself".
Nah.
p.s. - google informed me, that lead dude is Jacob, not James. That pretty much sums up my relationship with "Sundiver".
Felt absolutely no connection with anything in this book. After reading more than 1/10 of it, the sole fact I can remember, is that lead dude is James. The book felt boring as hell and names, names, names everywhere. And I hate books that just throws you into a lake of names and says "go figure them out by yourself".
Nah.
p.s. - google informed me, that lead dude is Jacob, not James. That pretty much sums up my relationship with "Sundiver".
May 5, 2012
The Uplift books are tied for my favorite sci-fi series with Asimov's original Foundation series. This is sci-fi at its very best. Brin goes through an astonishing number of fascinating ideas and concepts, but leaves them for the reader to peruse or discard. Want racial allegory? Sure. Prefer religion? Plenty of it. Political intrigue? It's there by the truckload.
When Brin goes into pretend-science he goes all in. One can almost sense his smirk going through this first book: that's right, this book has talking chimpanzees and dolphin haikus and spaceships flying into the sun. Wanna fight about it? It works, and the mileage he forces out of it is outstanding.
And to top everything off he makes a point of tying off each book with an epic space battle, punctuated with a stunt humans come up with that surprises (or angers) their alien counterparts for sheer boldness and audacity. What's not to love?
When Brin goes into pretend-science he goes all in. One can almost sense his smirk going through this first book: that's right, this book has talking chimpanzees and dolphin haikus and spaceships flying into the sun. Wanna fight about it? It works, and the mileage he forces out of it is outstanding.
And to top everything off he makes a point of tying off each book with an epic space battle, punctuated with a stunt humans come up with that surprises (or angers) their alien counterparts for sheer boldness and audacity. What's not to love?
March 10, 2026
Well, I should have known not to read something this old in scifi, but since Book 2 won three awards including both the Hugo and the Nebula and some of my scifi GR friends liked this novel a great deal, I thought I'd start with this. Why did I keep reading it? Several reasons, not the least of which was to write this review, but also in hopes it might get better and because some of the writing just made me laugh and not because it was meant to be funny. That said, had I read this between the ages of 10 and 15 I'd have thoroughly enjoyed this book because back then I just enjoyed scifi in general and could have cared less about character development and would have fully embraced some of the things that now make this book read worse--but bear in mind I can no longer watch Classic Trek, either.
Where to start? The blurb is rather vague, but suffice to say that if you have ever read Chariots of The Gods some of this will make more sense. If you haven't and want to read this, I strongly suggest finding out the basics of that book as it will help. Now when I was 14 and read Erich von Däniken I loved it and at 15 made no small stir when I brought it up in a Christian Ethics class I had no business being in since it was my agnostic phase of life, although the teacher liked it because it provoked good discussion (but 15 year olds aren't always that interested in that sort of talk).
In a nutshell, the premise here is that basically every sentient being in the galaxy except people on earth (more or less) had an evolutionary uplift (hence the trilogy name) toward being sentient beings (my term not Brin's) and then, in turn, after x million years does the same for another species. Earth has gained some brownie points because they have already been doing this with chimps and dolphins (the fact that Brin chose chimps and not a more docile ape is rather foolish, but it's a minor point, I suppose). Now they appear to have found--wait for it--sentient life on the Sun. I swear I am not making this up. Certain beings herd magnetovores (yes, creatures that feed on magnetism) and sundivers are ships that can dive close to the sun without damage (I kid you not and what's more, there are windows in ships and not one mention of radiation in space at all).
But just these, among other things, aside, what made this hard for me, but also somewhat funny, is the writing. Now, you might not mind this sort of writing if the story keeps you interested, but it drives me batty. I have the book to make quotes, but forgot my reading glasses and am not at home; the print is small. Any mistakes are due to the fact that my arms aren't quite long enough.
Re: the first woman we come across in the book here are a couple of quotes, and I only wish I were making this up myself. The first is an assistant in Jacob's (main character) professional, scientific work environment:
"As usual, she was wearing next to nothing. Pretty, well endowed, and with long dark hair, the young biologist wore next to nothing very well." (what's more, and for some this is a spoiler, not much sex actually happening in this book, unlike some classic scifi).
Then, about the same woman thinking about Jacob a couple of pages later:
"Gloria looked after him a moment. She picked up the data charts [fyi, Brin didn't foresee a paperless and audio tape-less future] and wished she knew what it would take to hold the man's interest for more than an hour, or a night."
We eventually come across two women in space, one a scientist and one a ship's captain, but virtually every human and alien is male despite a conversation about how 70 percent of the astronauts on jump ships (some kind of completely unexplained space travel for long distances) are women, the others are mostly men.
But the characters are mostly two dimensional characters with no character growth. There is some on Jacob's part, I suppose, but it is really hard to take the entire process of what that man has going on in his head this far away from the 1970s. As for the aliens, Brin put a great deal of imagination and science into this, but some of it was just hard to take, perhaps because I have read and seen too much of this, particularly newer scifi and better written scifi.
The action scenes weren't that great for me, either, particularly the climactic one. Not even one of them.
Nevertheless, I am not a majority, because he has been named one of the best futurists and various and sundry other things; perhaps his later scifi improves, but I am not likely to read another one of his books ever again unless after I forget his name I see some other book that doesn't mention this one.
Where to start? The blurb is rather vague, but suffice to say that if you have ever read Chariots of The Gods some of this will make more sense. If you haven't and want to read this, I strongly suggest finding out the basics of that book as it will help. Now when I was 14 and read Erich von Däniken I loved it and at 15 made no small stir when I brought it up in a Christian Ethics class I had no business being in since it was my agnostic phase of life, although the teacher liked it because it provoked good discussion (but 15 year olds aren't always that interested in that sort of talk).
In a nutshell, the premise here is that basically every sentient being in the galaxy except people on earth (more or less) had an evolutionary uplift (hence the trilogy name) toward being sentient beings (my term not Brin's) and then, in turn, after x million years does the same for another species. Earth has gained some brownie points because they have already been doing this with chimps and dolphins (the fact that Brin chose chimps and not a more docile ape is rather foolish, but it's a minor point, I suppose). Now they appear to have found--wait for it--sentient life on the Sun. I swear I am not making this up. Certain beings herd magnetovores (yes, creatures that feed on magnetism) and sundivers are ships that can dive close to the sun without damage (I kid you not and what's more, there are windows in ships and not one mention of radiation in space at all).
But just these, among other things, aside, what made this hard for me, but also somewhat funny, is the writing. Now, you might not mind this sort of writing if the story keeps you interested, but it drives me batty. I have the book to make quotes, but forgot my reading glasses and am not at home; the print is small. Any mistakes are due to the fact that my arms aren't quite long enough.
Re: the first woman we come across in the book here are a couple of quotes, and I only wish I were making this up myself. The first is an assistant in Jacob's (main character) professional, scientific work environment:
"As usual, she was wearing next to nothing. Pretty, well endowed, and with long dark hair, the young biologist wore next to nothing very well." (what's more, and for some this is a spoiler, not much sex actually happening in this book, unlike some classic scifi).
Then, about the same woman thinking about Jacob a couple of pages later:
"Gloria looked after him a moment. She picked up the data charts [fyi, Brin didn't foresee a paperless and audio tape-less future] and wished she knew what it would take to hold the man's interest for more than an hour, or a night."
We eventually come across two women in space, one a scientist and one a ship's captain, but virtually every human and alien is male despite a conversation about how 70 percent of the astronauts on jump ships (some kind of completely unexplained space travel for long distances) are women, the others are mostly men.
But the characters are mostly two dimensional characters with no character growth. There is some on Jacob's part, I suppose, but it is really hard to take the entire process of what that man has going on in his head this far away from the 1970s. As for the aliens, Brin put a great deal of imagination and science into this, but some of it was just hard to take, perhaps because I have read and seen too much of this, particularly newer scifi and better written scifi.
The action scenes weren't that great for me, either, particularly the climactic one. Not even one of them.
Nevertheless, I am not a majority, because he has been named one of the best futurists and various and sundry other things; perhaps his later scifi improves, but I am not likely to read another one of his books ever again unless after I forget his name I see some other book that doesn't mention this one.
January 21, 2022
This is an interesting one. All of the stuff that feels original, the sci-fi and science elements, the world building etc. is all pretty good.
Couple of small issues with the main character, he goes through several epiphanies about himself which was a little hard to follow.
Also he has this big event in his past which casts a shadow over the story, the problem being its such a big, specific, interesting event that it kind a feels like you’ve missed a previous volume.
However the real issue is the central mystery, or rather murder mystery. The book actually feels a bit racist in places but i won’t bother saying more on that as it might just be interpretation, but also its linked to how anachronistic the characters feel at times which is linked to the central mystery.
So, the entire main murder mystery has been put together, or lifted bodily from Agatha Christie-style cozy murder mysteries. And definitely ones written between 1920-1950. I think the slightly racist/sexist flavour of some elements just came along as a natural bi-product of the author taking too much from these early tales.
Even before anything of the murder-mystery type element had happened i was not only able to predict it would go in that direction but even guessed who the ultimate villain would turn out to be.
So clearly the plot must also have picked up a lot of cliché's along the way too, for me to be able to figure out so much so early (especially given i’ve never read or seen any Agatha Christie, except small fragments) and if aliens feel dated clearly your doing something wrong ;) .
The first and last 15% or so which feels more original is better and its an interesting universe. I’ve heard later books are an improvement and don’t doubt it especially since rewriting Agatha Christie doesn’t seem like a trick anyone would try twice.
Of course if the idea of Agatha Christie with aliens sounds like a great idea to you then this one might be 5 stars :) .
Oh, my favourite anachronism FYI, was during the parlour scene (yep, it even did the parlour murderer reveal scene) in which someone started smoking a pipe! A freaking pipe! What century is this thing set in again? :lol .
Couple of small issues with the main character, he goes through several epiphanies about himself which was a little hard to follow.
Also he has this big event in his past which casts a shadow over the story, the problem being its such a big, specific, interesting event that it kind a feels like you’ve missed a previous volume.
However the real issue is the central mystery, or rather murder mystery. The book actually feels a bit racist in places but i won’t bother saying more on that as it might just be interpretation, but also its linked to how anachronistic the characters feel at times which is linked to the central mystery.
So, the entire main murder mystery has been put together, or lifted bodily from Agatha Christie-style cozy murder mysteries. And definitely ones written between 1920-1950. I think the slightly racist/sexist flavour of some elements just came along as a natural bi-product of the author taking too much from these early tales.
Even before anything of the murder-mystery type element had happened i was not only able to predict it would go in that direction but even guessed who the ultimate villain would turn out to be.
So clearly the plot must also have picked up a lot of cliché's along the way too, for me to be able to figure out so much so early (especially given i’ve never read or seen any Agatha Christie, except small fragments) and if aliens feel dated clearly your doing something wrong ;) .
The first and last 15% or so which feels more original is better and its an interesting universe. I’ve heard later books are an improvement and don’t doubt it especially since rewriting Agatha Christie doesn’t seem like a trick anyone would try twice.
Of course if the idea of Agatha Christie with aliens sounds like a great idea to you then this one might be 5 stars :) .
Oh, my favourite anachronism FYI, was during the parlour scene (yep, it even did the parlour murderer reveal scene) in which someone started smoking a pipe! A freaking pipe! What century is this thing set in again? :lol .
May 31, 2019
This is a classic that I have been meaning to read for a very long time now. I finally got around to it and was not disappointed. It did feel like the never-ending story towards the end though, because it kept ending, but then aha! It's not the end! There's another twist! But it was all very interesting, so forgiven. I will listen to the sequel right away, because I'm afraid I will forget the details and who knows if it's important to sweat the details for the sequel. Anyway, the 2nd book is the one that won the Hugo/Nebula (or whatever) and the one I really wanted to read.
December 26, 2021
Hard science fiction is not my cup of tea to begin with, and I didn't realize this was what it was until it started. There are a lot of problems with this first novel (for Brin) as well. Brin creates settings and characters and then we don't see them again. The lead character, Jacob Demwa, is working with dolphins and a staff to uplift them, meaning tamper with them to make them smarter a la Planet of the Apes. That's all pretty much gone after Chapter 1, but thank you for introducing me to the entire staff. Then we have the politics of shirts and skins and E.T's taking real estate and the protests. Pretty much gone after Chapter 2. Finally, we settle in to a cruise to Mercury in order to visit the sun.
The writing style leaves a lot to be desired. Brin is constantly writing as if he had already introduced concepts to the reader and the reader should know about them. I get the feeling I am reading a sequel to a first novel I should have already read. Except this is that first novel. We get something about a Needle, a wife, an investigation, and a disaster cropping up from time to time. The protagonist has a split personality, the other half of which he calls Hyde, that we're supposed to already know about but don't. There's something about Fagin being conniving and duplicitous, yet he's depicted as being as straightforward as can be. Then we have Demwa's family and their family history, but they never feature in the novel. E.T.'s got brought on a spaceship, at first, or did they? This book is just a hot mess. At first, I thought maybe I was just being dense. So, I reread. No. The author really doesn't seem to know he didn't explain any of the concepts he's trying to use. Maybe he's using that reader-catches-up-on-the-fly, sort of, technique. If so, it should make more sense as time goes on. Right? But it never really does.
This is the first work of fiction the author published. Maybe the publisher did him no favors by failing to reject it. There might be a good story or six in here somewhere. But the craft of telling it needs more work. I can only recommend this book to hard science fiction enthusiasts that may have read another of the Uplift books who may need this one to get the full picture for the other books. Alhough this is the beginning, I doubt this is the best place to start reading the Uplift series. Given the reviews I have read others write, most people didn't start the series with this novel even if it is the first. Strange goings on here.
The writing style leaves a lot to be desired. Brin is constantly writing as if he had already introduced concepts to the reader and the reader should know about them. I get the feeling I am reading a sequel to a first novel I should have already read. Except this is that first novel. We get something about a Needle, a wife, an investigation, and a disaster cropping up from time to time. The protagonist has a split personality, the other half of which he calls Hyde, that we're supposed to already know about but don't. There's something about Fagin being conniving and duplicitous, yet he's depicted as being as straightforward as can be. Then we have Demwa's family and their family history, but they never feature in the novel. E.T.'s got brought on a spaceship, at first, or did they? This book is just a hot mess. At first, I thought maybe I was just being dense. So, I reread. No. The author really doesn't seem to know he didn't explain any of the concepts he's trying to use. Maybe he's using that reader-catches-up-on-the-fly, sort of, technique. If so, it should make more sense as time goes on. Right? But it never really does.
This is the first work of fiction the author published. Maybe the publisher did him no favors by failing to reject it. There might be a good story or six in here somewhere. But the craft of telling it needs more work. I can only recommend this book to hard science fiction enthusiasts that may have read another of the Uplift books who may need this one to get the full picture for the other books. Alhough this is the beginning, I doubt this is the best place to start reading the Uplift series. Given the reviews I have read others write, most people didn't start the series with this novel even if it is the first. Strange goings on here.
May 9, 2012
This was a recommendation from my husband, who read these books (The Uplift Saga) when he was younger and loved them. For a science fiction novel that was written and published before I was born, I have to say it has aged very well; this could have been written today. The technology and the science described is excellent, which was why my husband figured I would like this in the first place.
It was also an unexpected pleasure to discover as I was reading that Sundiver turned out to be a pretty decent whodunnit mystery, and the perpetrator behind it all would surprise you.
It was also an unexpected pleasure to discover as I was reading that Sundiver turned out to be a pretty decent whodunnit mystery, and the perpetrator behind it all would surprise you.
February 13, 2023
This is a debut novel of multiple award-winning SF author David Brin. It was published in 1980 and is a strange mixup of space opera, hard SF and murder mystery. I read it as a part of the monthly reading for February 2023 at The Evolution of Science Fiction group.
The novel starts in seems in the middle of the story: the protagonist, Jacob Demwa, helps to uplift dolphins – while sentient, these mammals aren’t very interested in using analytical tools like humans, instead preferring composing poetry and music. As readers soon find out, uplifting, or affecting a species by mutations, training, etc. to evolve it to sophont (wise) status is a cornerstone of this galaxy-wide setting. Almost all known sapient species are either partons or clients. Members of “client” species—one whose period of indenture to its “patron” species was still active are rated low on the galactic pecking order and are in semi-servitude status. Humanity is a rare exception – when the first contact occurred, they already started working on uplifting chimpanzees and dolphins. Moreover, while most galaxians find it hard to believe, Earthmen could have been a unique case of self-developing, for it is currently unknown, who were their patrons if any. This gives humans an unusual status – a very young race, who are already patrons – other species wait hundred thousands of years to get there – longer than the entire human history!
So, Jacob works with dolphins and his alien friend Fagin (a Kanten species, sentient giant broccoli), offers him a job in a very unusual scientific expedition: a spaceship Sundiver made on a mix of Earth and galactic tech investigates the Sun's chromosphere and recently there were ghosts spotted on the Sun, possibly the species that uplifted humans?
This debut book is full of ideas like it attempted to get a finger at every pie. Thus hard SF descriptions of the Sun's chromosphere are mixed with too anthropomorphic aliens a la much softer space operas, potentially possible tech with paranormal abilities, etc. This both makes the book unusual and dissatisfies its readers, for many themes are noted but a few are developed. Even more, there are multiple hints of earlier stories, e.g. Jacob collaborated with Fagin more than once – I guessed that there were earlier stories set in the same universe, but no, it isn’t so. So, there are drawbacks, but for a debut novel it is very strong. I plan to try other books in the series later.
The novel starts in seems in the middle of the story: the protagonist, Jacob Demwa, helps to uplift dolphins – while sentient, these mammals aren’t very interested in using analytical tools like humans, instead preferring composing poetry and music. As readers soon find out, uplifting, or affecting a species by mutations, training, etc. to evolve it to sophont (wise) status is a cornerstone of this galaxy-wide setting. Almost all known sapient species are either partons or clients. Members of “client” species—one whose period of indenture to its “patron” species was still active are rated low on the galactic pecking order and are in semi-servitude status. Humanity is a rare exception – when the first contact occurred, they already started working on uplifting chimpanzees and dolphins. Moreover, while most galaxians find it hard to believe, Earthmen could have been a unique case of self-developing, for it is currently unknown, who were their patrons if any. This gives humans an unusual status – a very young race, who are already patrons – other species wait hundred thousands of years to get there – longer than the entire human history!
So, Jacob works with dolphins and his alien friend Fagin (a Kanten species, sentient giant broccoli), offers him a job in a very unusual scientific expedition: a spaceship Sundiver made on a mix of Earth and galactic tech investigates the Sun's chromosphere and recently there were ghosts spotted on the Sun, possibly the species that uplifted humans?
This debut book is full of ideas like it attempted to get a finger at every pie. Thus hard SF descriptions of the Sun's chromosphere are mixed with too anthropomorphic aliens a la much softer space operas, potentially possible tech with paranormal abilities, etc. This both makes the book unusual and dissatisfies its readers, for many themes are noted but a few are developed. Even more, there are multiple hints of earlier stories, e.g. Jacob collaborated with Fagin more than once – I guessed that there were earlier stories set in the same universe, but no, it isn’t so. So, there are drawbacks, but for a debut novel it is very strong. I plan to try other books in the series later.
April 17, 2026
Sundiver was Brin's first book and is the first novel in his Uplift sequence. It's not as well-written as his later work, but it's a very good blend of space opera and hard science (occasionally a tad hard to follow, but if you're going to dive into the Sun you know it'll be a hot time in the old...you know...) that provide a good framework for a murder mystery. Paradoxically, I'm not sure it's a good starting point for Brin but should be read before Startide Rising or The Uplift War.
February 26, 2017
A good beginning of an ambitious hard-scifi series (I wouldn't consider it "space opera", though it stumbles into that territory at times). This is Brin at the beginning of his career. It is more in the style of Hal Clement than that of A.C. Clarke. Many specific scientific conditions dictating events 'peopled' by a wide variety of intelligent alien beings and "uplifted" earth mammals.
November 1, 2016
This book just could not keep my attention. I liked the parts I heard but it just didn't grab me. I even restarted twice. No luck.
The audio was thoroughly mediocre.
The audio was thoroughly mediocre.
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