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الإله والدولة

3.86  ·  Rating details ·  2,735 ratings  ·  122 reviews
Among the 19th-century founders of modern philosophical anarchism, none is more important than Michael Bakunin (1814–76). Born into the Russian nobility, he renounced his hereditary rank in protest against Czarist oppression and fled to Western Europe. A colorful, charismatic personality, Bakunin quickly became central to the anarchism movement, and everyone involved eithe ...more
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Published 2017 by دار التكوين (first published 1882)
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Justin
May 27, 2008 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Struggled through this book at times due to Bakunin's frequent digressions ... But when he stays on point, you get gems like this:

"...religion is a collective insanity, the more powerful because it is traditional folly, and because its origin is lost in the most remote antiquity. As collective insanity it has penetrated to the very depths of the public and private existence of the peoples; it is incarnate in society; it has become, so to speak, the collective soul and thought. Every man is envel
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Trevor
I became interested in Bakunin after reading The Proud Tower: A Portrait of the World Before the War 1890-1914. I then saw that this one was available from the nice people at Librivox.

http://librivox.org/god-and-the-state...

This is a very interesting book. There are lots of fairly standard arguments against the existence of God – I’ve always been attracted to the idea, elaborated here, that God creating the universe (that is, something infinitely developed making something less developed) is the
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Lucian
Jun 16, 2011 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
More like a pamphlet handed out at G-20 protests than an actual treatise dealing with God and the State, Bakunin's book reads like a well-written polemic, filled with radical--and often simply offensive--invective against all those presumed to be enemies of reason, materialism, atheism, and--by some strange logic--liberty. His history, over-simplified and coarse; his defense of materialism, shoddy and questionable; his attacks on anything not proletariat, tiresome and outdated. He espouses reaso ...more
Jesse
Sep 15, 2011 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
While this is hardly Bakunin's programmtic statement, and it is not clear where such a statement may be found, this is certainly the political and literary equivalent of a high-speed roller-coaster. Freud, of course, would say that liking such a thing is proof of an excessive death drive, but he would only be right if that roller-coaster did not have a teleological purpose - for Bakunin does not desire his death-defying thought to be some sort of Hunter S. Thompson esque "ride", but, rather, to ...more
Eadweard
"Reduced, intellectually and morally as well as materially, to the minimum of human existence, confined in their life like a prisoner in his prison, without horizon, without outlet, without even a future if we believe the economists, the people would have the singularly narrow souls and blunted instincts of the bourgeois if they did not feel a desire to escape ; but of escape there are but three methods—two chimerical and a third real. The first two are the dram-shop and the church, debauchery o ...more
Brian
Apr 21, 2013 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: ruard_referred
Very accessible treatise on anarchism, the perils of religion and the hopeful, ongoing pursuit of the improvements of humanity.

Great background text for understanding more of Vollmann's worldview and bedrock for Vol 1 of "Rising Up and Rising Down"
Tim Edison
May 28, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy, russian
"When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'the people's stick'". This quote from Bakunin's Statism and Anarchy crystallises, to some extent, the ethos of Mikhail Bakunin - his critique of tyranny disguised as liberal democracy. Of course one could substitute "the people's stick" for "god's stick" or any other authoritarian system that the anarchists such as Bakunin, rejected and derided.

In God and the State, Bakunin takes aim at religious authority
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Bahar Sancar
Jun 01, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
5 üzerinden 10
Brendan Conner
This pamphlet, supposedly Bakunin's most comprehensive (but, literally, incomplete work), is another attempt at dialectics. In the end, it's the same game played by a Hegel or a Marx. Nonetheless, "God and the State" is a useful demonstration, in 19th century language, of 'anarchist' theory as it takes on the Church, Capitalism, and the State. As a writer, however, Bakunin is woefully outmatched by his long-time nemesis, Marx.
Xaviju
Mar 08, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Se trata de un montón de reflexiones hechas por Bakunin en 1867 sobre ateísmo. Nada nuevo para los ateos que vivimos en 2017, pero lo sorprendente es que podría haber sido escrito hoy y aún así sería bastante vanguardista.
Aunque no sigue un esquema lógico de pensamiento ya que se trata de un montón de apuntes, me quedo con la comparación entre Dios/estado y opresión frente a la aceptación natural de lo libertario. Es probablemente la parte que realmente da un valor añadido al libro.
Ryan
Mar 06, 2008 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Less of a well-reasoned argument and more of a rant against organized religion and the state. Bakunin was one of the great Russian anarchists, but his Hegelian method here just comes across as dated. It is important to remember that Bakunin took action first and foremost, and wrote only as an afterthought.
R Reddebrek
Jan 26, 2019 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
A short but powerful examination of the role of religion and other ideologies in the oppression of class society. This is the most well known thing about God and the State and its title alone makes that clear, but Bakunin goes further and deeper.

He also despite his great admiration for the scientific method warns that simply using science in a similar social function as religion is used would be a terrible mistake, possibly even more oppressive than religious orders. Predicting the rise of the "
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Sami Eerola
Oct 30, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: read-in-2018
Short book on how the belief in on monotheistic god is the bases of peoples "slave mentality" and hierarchical institutions. Knowing something about Hinduism, this argument is not so believable. But still great introduction to anarchist philosophy that is more complicated that it is perceived in popular culture. Some accretions in this book are still topical, but the last part about the failures of French revolution not so much.
Alex
I read God and the State back when I was interested in left-wing anarchist theory, and believed that the anarchocommunists, anarchosocialists, anarchosyndicalists and us libertarian capitalists could come to a mutual understanding. Alas, I was wrong.

I did not know what I was getting myself into. I read it, and I do not remember, for the love of it, a single occasion where I could apply what I read. It was uninspired, it offered no positive vision, or even a coherent whole. Bakunin offered no co
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Simón
May 22, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
"No soy verdaderamente libre más que cuando todos lo seres humanos que me rodean, hombres y mujeres, son igualmente libres."


En Dios y el Estado, Mikhail Bakunin define las bases del anarquismo, y defiende la libertad del hombre. Esa libertad, sin embargo, ha de entenderse en sociedad, en contraposición clara al planteamiento de los pensadores idealistas quienes, partiendo de la divinidad del hombre, argumentan que él hombre sólo precisa de sí mismo para ser libre y alcanzar la iluminación.

"La
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abclaret
Mar 20, 2011 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: anarchism
"Who is right, the idealists or the materialists?"
I read this as part of the (A)Bookclub and I had unknowingly read it previously, which probably you can surmise a few things from. Its title is a little deceptive because as far as I can see the book is really about the effects of religious ideas on scientific reasoning. A subject with some modern implications thanks to creationism.

Bakunin, like Marx was profoundly influenced by Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, but it was deeply contested among He
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Julius Lehtinen
Nov 12, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2018
Vääjäämätön kaikenlaisen erehtymättömän auktoriteetin kritiikki — Kirkosta Valtioon. Venäläistä anarkistia on hyödyllistä ja silmiä avaavaa lukea vaikkei aatteesta muuten perustaisi. Ihailtavan johdonmukaista se ainakin vaikuttaa olevan, Neuvostokokeilun turmio ennustetaan vuosikymmeniä ennen sen alkua ja mekanismikin kuvataan tarkasti.

Lopetanpa klassiseen pidempään lainaukseen teoksesta: "Onko tästä johtopäätöksenä, että kiellän kaiken auktoriteetin? Ei suinkaan. Kun kyse on saappaista, alistun
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Alberto
Feb 17, 2016 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: filosofía
El siglo XIX es una época muy interesante. Tras la revolución industrial y la descomposición de la sociedad hacia el capitalismo, comenzó a cuestionarse de una forma profunda todo nuestro sistema de creencias. Bakunin era anarquista, materialista y ateo; y en esta obra analiza del papel de la religión y el Estado como opresores de la mayor parte de la sociedad en favor de una clase dominante. Critica el idealismo imperante en los intelectuales de su época y defiende que para que el hombre sea ve ...more
Tinea
Really rambly arguments (especially at the end) against a specifically Christian god that really doesn't impact my life, not having been raised christian and all. There were a few parts with ringing eloquence on the independence of humans over god, the state, and science. Overall, contributed to a conversation of which I am not a part nor particularly interested in engaging.

I really want to read all the 'fathers of anarchism,' so I'll know what the hell I'm talking about when people want to talk
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Katie Curry
It is imperative to read the preface and the introduction to Bakunin's work. Otherwise one risks the chance of falling down a rabbit hole of footnotes and unfinished sentences. It must bear in mind the fact that this is but a small section of a much larger planned work. At the point in which the essay ends, one is left at the cusp of exploring where the role of religion has played in Bakunin's time. A fascinating look into the ideology of a man who was truly more of an activist rather than a wri ...more
Todd Martin
Russian revolutionary, materialist and anarchist Mikhail Bakunin makes some good points in "God and the State", though he's a bit impenetrable at times.

Here's a nice paragraph that you might find echoed in the later works of Dawkins, Dennet, Harris or Hitchens:

"We recognize, then, the absolute authority of science, because the sole object of science is the mental reproduction, as well-considered and systematic as possible, of the natural laws inherent in the material, intellectual, and moral lif
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Isaac Osorowski
Jul 28, 2014 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Bakunin, anarquista por excelencia, aborda el tema de la religión como una delusión confortante para el pueblo en ausencia de un buen estilo de vida proporcionado por el gobierno, quienes a su vez, aprovechan este recurso como un medio de control, retención y propósito para sus políticas.

De Bakunin aprendemos a someter la practicalidad, mediante un proceso casi dialéctico, del materialismo y el idealismo, sobre el cual persevera como positivo para la humanidad el materialismo realista.

A grandes
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Rupert Dreyfus
Read years ago. Will read again in the future and review.
Miquixote
Very convincing yet unfinished book about christianity and the state and how they are not so different. The uniting strand is authoritarianism.
Marralew
I didn’t have the background knowledge needed to appreciate the vast majority of this book, so I’ve refrained from giving it a rating. It was an enjoyable read, but I’m in no position to comment on how cogent some of the points that were made were, and rating a philosophical work for its entertainment value seems ludicrous. Bakunin’s writing style leaves something to be desired, but he is by no means a poor writer.

However, here are a few quotes that I enjoyed:
“The people, unfortunately, are stil
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Kim
May 07, 2017 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: no one on this great big Earth
Recommended to Kim by: A foolish notion
Shelves: gave-up-on
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Woefully outdated when it comes to science. Nothing here on science has any relevance these days, just aimless rants. It has no bearing on any area of science. There is the constant statement that science is just abstraction. How? Not even in his day was that the case. Medical science and evolutionary science, for instance, were both more advanced than abstractions, and Bakunin himself references the latter (in the positive) early on with his "man is only..." statements that include the
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Frederick
Bakunin regards man as simply a higher animal and the Bible as a useful myth. If he has read the Bible or any part of it he apparently believed what the “great” theologians of Catholicism or Protestantism said about it rather than reading it literally and simply. They, of course, never believe the Bible literally anyway but are typically more philosophers than anything. It is easy to understand, though, why he would be a skeptic when, as he points out, the governments of Europe claimed a divine ...more
Jojo
Menurutku ada tiga hal menarik yang dibahas disini yaitu tentang agama, negara dan ilmu pengetahuan. Di buku ini ia membahas bagaimana suatu agama(terutama agama besar di eropa saat itu) bisa jadi alat politik yang kuat oleh kalangan menengah ke atas, apalagi agama itu diintegrasikan dalam negara. Kekuatan ilahiah tersebut punya daya kuasa yang tinggi-ibarat penggembala menggiring domba, kenapa? karna pemahaman orang-orang pada saat itu belum memadai(disinilah kenapa dia banyak mengkritik tentan ...more
Ryan
Feb 15, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
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Stephen Goss
Rambling text that is 90%+ invective against religion and Christianity. Many of the complaints against religion are completely legitimate and valid. Occasionally, the text stumbles into core anarchist ideas, which are poorly described with strange assertions like government is entirely unnecessary after we teach everyone about how society works scientifically. Or that every single law is bad and we don't need them because nobody, not even a madman, will stand against society. OK. Also, the text ...more
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Mikhail Alexandrovich Bakunin (Russian: Михаил Александрович Бакунин; 30 May 1814 – 1 July 1876) was a well-known Russian revolutionary and philosopher, theorist of collectivist anarchism. He has also often been called the father of anarchist theory in general. ...more
“Real humanity presents a mixture of all that is most sublime and beautiful with all that is vilest and most monstrous in the world.” 28 likes
“A jealous lover of human liberty, and deeming it the absolute condition of all that we admire and respect in humanity, I reverse the phrase of Voltaire, and say that, if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him.” 4 likes
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