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Slash of the Titans: The Road to Freddy vs Jason

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From the author of Phantasm Exhumed comes Slash of the Titans, a revealing look at why it took New Line Cinema nearly ten years and four-million-dollars to find the right screenplay for Freddy vs Jason. Featuring new interviews with the original writers and filmmakers, Slash details the production's troubled history from the surprise ending of Jason Goes to Hell all the way to the crossover's red carpet premiere. Read about the many rejected storylines and learn how the project was eventually able to escape from development hell. This is the story of one film, two horror icons and seventeen screenwriters!

SLASH OF THE TITANS includes:
- Comprehensive looks at ten different versions of the screenplay
- Info on early crossover attempts by Friday the 13th filmmakers
- Exclusive details on the never made Freddy vs Jason: Hell Unbound video game
- Insights from producers, executives and developers including Sean Cunningham
- An examination of why the Shannon/Swift script was finally greenlit
- Summaries of the four endings considered for the 2003 film
- Coverage of the never made Freddy vs Jason vs Ash sequel
- New comments from the titans themselves - Robert Englund and Ken Kirzinger
- Appendices full of story details including the outcomes of all ten versions

247 pages, Paperback

Published March 20, 2017

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Dustin McNeill

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Dustin McNeill is the author of eight books released through Harker Press. A lifelong genre fan, he began his writing career in the pages of HorrorHound Magazine before publishing his first book in 2014. Titled Phantasm Exhumed, this franchise companion was warmly received by fans and filmmakers alike, which encouraged the author to continue his writing efforts. In 2019, he teamed with co-author Travis Mullins for the best-selling and critically acclaimed Taking Shape book series, which the pair followed up in 2022 with Reign of Chucky: The True Hollywood Story of a Not So Good Guy. In 2023, Dustin penned yet another solo effort with House of Rejects: The Making of Rob Zombie's Firefly Trilogy. He has contributed supplemental material to multiple Phantasm and Chucky boxsets by Arrow Video and Scream Factory. In 2024, Dustin recorded an official audio commentary for Via Vision Entertainment's Blu-ray release of the original Halloween II.

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Profile Image for C.T. Phipps.
Author 93 books671 followers
February 16, 2019
Details on the troubled production history of FREDDY VS. JASON and listing all the various scripts submitted to get these two fighting after the hint of it in JASON GOES TO HELL's final scene. The troubled production includes a dozen or so treatments that, more or less, all were interesting movies but no one could agree on making. It actually skips over describing the actual movie's merits and I found that to be a disappointment.

The book talks about the two graphic novel sequels as well, both of which I think would have made excellent films. I'm sorry Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell passed on having Ash kill both of the supervillains for a final time. This is really only interesting to a serious horror afficianado (of which I am). A lot of the information is also available in CRYSTAL LAKE MEMORIES and NEVER SLEEP AGAIN. I tend to recommend those over this one for their broader scope but it's still a fun book.

8/10
Profile Image for Todd Condit.
Author 6 books31 followers
February 14, 2020
Any horror fan, especially if you're into Jason or Freddy, must add this to your collection. It goes into great detail the years long struggle it took to ultimately make this film. The book covers many different versions, some of which are fantastic and others just plain crazy, but all of which are interesting. A must have for any "movies in the making" fan.
Profile Image for Blake Cover.
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December 21, 2020
Great For Fans Of Horror

If you love these 80s horror icons, then you'll love this look at the decade of work to bring their crossover film to life. Informative and fun.
Profile Image for Tim Vargulish.
136 reviews1 follower
November 10, 2018
Really, really interesting look at the unused scripts for Freddy vs. Jason. Lot of crazy plots, some could’ve been disastrous, some might’ve been cool. Packed with a lot of great interviews, nice comprehensive look at the movie and what could’ve been.
Profile Image for Nick.
582 reviews26 followers
August 7, 2020
If you aren't a fan of the 'Friday the 13th' and 'A Nightmare on Elm Street' franchises, then there's not much reason to read this book. There's not much in the way of deep analysis of the themes of the two series, or the process of getting a film made in Hollywood. There's also a fair bit of repetition--the author explores each of the half-dozen different drafts of the script that were produced over the course of a decade, many of which simply repackage what the previous screenwriters had prepared.

For all that, it was a decently-written exploration of the protracted background behind the film that currently serves as the capstone to two venerable horror franchises. The author interviews screenwriters, directors, and production leads who worked to bring this film to fruition, and if it never amounts to much more than horror nerd trivia, maybe that's enough.
Profile Image for Tracy.
585 reviews23 followers
March 19, 2018
This book details 10 (!) different scripts written over the course a decade to bring together Freddy and Jason. It is well organized and provides interesting insights into how people approached the material. Many found the tonal differences in each series to be hard to overcome when trying to combine them into a shared universe. Here are some of my favorite tidbits:

- Almost all the rejected scripts involved tying together the backstories of the 2 characters (usually by making Freddy a camp counselor at Camp Crystal Lake and typically the abuser/murderer of a 10-year-old Jason).
- Many of them involve a Freddy cult
- One script involved Jason being a real life serial killer on trial. This was written during the O.J. trial and the writers were trying to create a fictional "trial of the century."
- One writer begrudgingly wrote a rejected version of the script as a favor and said "When you get to the point you are making something like Batman vs. Superman that's a pretty clear sign both franchises have run out of steam." - he went on to write Batman vs. Superman
- In almost all of them Jason is set up to varying degrees of sympathy as the "hero" and one to root for in the showdown. Jason is a murderer but he is also a victim - the most sympathetic read is he kills people who behave in the same way that caused his neglectful death. If he talked he would probably grumble "get off my lawn" while swinging his machete around. Freddy on the other hand clearly takes pleasure in killing people which makes it easier to make Jason the antihero.
- Jason won in most of the scripts (5 vs. 3) and I will argue to this day he won in the 2003 movie

Profile Image for Parker.
236 reviews11 followers
January 25, 2018
Informative but very repetitive. Also, my dude needs to learn how apostrophes work.
Profile Image for Luke Southard.
455 reviews5 followers
March 12, 2022
It took 10 years to go from “we should do a Freddy Vs Jason,” to the movie we got.

This book covers the major scripts submitted, does interviews with the writers and executives, and details the good and bad points of them all.

Some ideas make the actual movie feel like a ripoff. Imagine Jason and Freddy fighting in Hell when chains and hooks come out of the ground, holding them in place until Pinhead is revealed saying “Gentlemen, what seems to be the issue?”

That’s awesome!

Even if you just HAD to go with the 2003 movie, that was the original ending on the script. New Line nixed it because they said Hell never looks good on screen. Which may be right, but only if you’re looking at New Line’s version of Hell in Spawn.

Also, the real issue would have been money (most of the issues for previous scripts boiled down to money) and sharing what was probably going to be too much of a piece of the pie with Dimension Films that owns Pinhead.

The goal Sean Cunningham (who controls Jason) had the whole time was to make a good movie where New Line wanted to make a profitable movie.

New Line had laughable turnaround times in the Nightmare line and may have paid lip service to the idea of quality over quantity, but their actions say otherwise (look at the scant time between Nightmares 4 and 5) and the decrease in amazing effects.

The 2003 movie was serviceable, but no amazing thing. It’s a bummer, but it’s also inevitable. My idea of a FVJ is different than yours which is different than his, etc etc.

In the end, I don’t think the final script was really picked for anything other than exasperation. In this book, it barely scratches it, but there’s a quote in an interview where the head of New Line basically says fuck it, let’s get it out because we’ve already sunk over $4 million and we haven’t shot a single thing. And then the final script pitch came in.

Personally, I think that horror’s place in cinema should be reevaluated. It’ll never be considered for heavy awards and critics are bound by internal norms to never admit that they actually like it so why bother releasing it to theaters after pushing it through the MPAA (who does more butchering than the slashers on screen)? Instead, regulate the gore in-house and release direct to the consumer with the caveat that THIS direct to video is different than the standard direct to video (which almost always just means it’s garbage - refer to any of Dimension’s Hallraiser movies after Bloodline. They’re so bad that I watched one and hated it so much that I watched it AGAIN with the director’s commentary on, waiting for what I thought was an obligatory apology and explanation for this shit-show that was the movie). If Nightmare 5, Friday 7, and others (those are the ones called out the most by creators) were wrecked by the MPAA, just bypass the MPAA in the first place.

Anyhoo, this book is a massive one, undertaking a genuinely interesting Hollywood story that does a lot to show the mechanics of Hollywood. Well worth your time if you’re interested in that kind of stuff.
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32 reviews
May 28, 2018
After the comprehensive books and documentaries dedicated to the Nightmare & Friday franchises, I thought I had a fairly complete understanding of the troubled development cycle of Freddy Vs. Jason. I couldn't believe how many surprises this book contained. I'm not sure how interesting this would be if you didn't have at least some affection for one or both of these series, but Dustin McNeill has done an admirable job of compiling info on every writer, every draft, and every setback this project faced.

Even as a fan, this gets a little tedious. That's not McNeill's fault. It actually speaks to the problem the executives and producers must have faced as this thing continued to spin its wheels. By the end, all of these pitches, premises, and plot points start to run together and it's hard to distinguish a great idea from a terrible one. I'm not a huge fan of the finished film, but by this book's conclusion I completely understood why everyone involved signed off on something they knew probably wasn't the best version of this. It was either good enough or nothing at all.

It's amazing how much they overthought and second-guessed such a simple premise. On the other hand, this really highlights how fundamentally different these two franchises are and why a seemingly no-brainer concept was probably misguided from the jump.
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61 reviews2 followers
July 22, 2017
Excellent history on the development hell of Freddy vs Jason

Freddy vs Jason spent a decade in development hell and had tons of screenplays written by many writers struggling to bring the slasher giants into one movie. This book examines ten of those screenplays and chronicles the history of the project. From the seeds being planted back in the 1980s to its eventual release in 2003, this book gives us the most comprehensive history of the film yet.

And Dustin McNeill does an excellent job of taking us on the complicated journey. He interviews key players, from Jeff Katz to Robert Englund to many of the actual screenwriters themselves. He examines each screenplay in exhaustive detail. We get a basic plot breakdown and then Dustin goes into detail examining the protagonists and how Freddy and Jason are portrayed, among many other details. He shows us how each screenplay influenced the next, how studio drama affected the scripts. This is honestly the definitive guide on the films journey from idea to script to screen. A must buy for not only fans of the film, but also fans of the two slasher boogeymen.
Profile Image for Tim Galbraith.
Author 2 books3 followers
September 4, 2022
A very interesting read. I am a very big fan of The Nightmare on Elm Street series, but was not a big fan of the Freddy Vs. Jason movie that came out. Let me rephrase that. I LOVED the Freddy vs. Jason fight at the end but I cared so very little for any of the protagonists in the story.
This book is a great read if you're like me, a writer and horror fan, who dreams of writing horror movies with icons like Freddy Kreuger, and or Jason Vorhees or even Ash Williams. (The book discusses at the end the potential Freddy Vs Jason Vs. Ash movie that never happened). I even have what I think is an amazing idea for an Elm Street film (but, every writer with a horror lean has one I'm sure). The book gives you an idea of all the pitfalls and stumbling blocks that happen in the film industry from the perspective of people on the inside, producers, writers, directors, even Robert Englund himself gets an interview in this book. If you are a fan of either character and wanted to learn about the ridiculously long gestating period the movie had and some looks into the scripts that were rejected, take a look at this book and enjoy.
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165 reviews
May 18, 2024
Many of us have spent years debating on what would happen in a fight between fictional characters. It is something almost all of us do and we got the answer to one such fight in Freddy vs Jason in 2003. What is almost more interesting than the movie itself is the story of how we got there and the could have been fights chronicled in this book.

This was an audio book for me and a fantastic one. The author gives his own Fandom thoughts while focusing on the different ideas for the movie of many horror fans dreams. There are script breakdowns and interviews that go more in depth than one would expect for something an outsider might consider a simple horror movie.

While the narrator did a good job, some of the interview segments can get confusing when it is more than a one on one interview. It also isn't the book's fault but some of the scripts gone over were more interesting than the actual movie we got. Overall a very good read and a must for any true horror fan.
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235 reviews4 followers
March 22, 2018
Surprisingly engrossing read about a movie I remember next-to nothing about. As any self-respecting kid of the '80s, I grew up fascinated with Freddy and Jason and I vaguely remember enjoying their team up when it ultimately happened in 2003. But McNeill's book proves how difficult it was to deliver such a piffle of a guilty pleasure. Ten years and just as many scripts, with a ridiculous amount of attempts to tie together their mythologies in ways the range from the kind-of cool (Freddy cults!) to laughable attempts to give the franchise a sheen of respectability (the attempt to make it a courtroom drama still baffles me). McNeill's book is meticulously researched, with several interviews from screenwriters, execs and the film's stars. Fans will find a lot to love. But people like me, who love a good story about development hell and what-if projects, will also enjoy it.
12 reviews1 follower
February 3, 2021
A very in-depth look at the troubled production of Freddy vs Jason. It goes through the story of every script produced, has interviews with creators, stars and possible directors and also walks the reader through the history of the project and why certain decisions were / were not made. It can get a bit hard to follow sometimes with all the different names to remember but it’s not too bad.

I would have honestly liked to have seen the majority of the scripts written for this film, what we eventually got is one of my favourite films of all time anyway. This is what made this book much more enjoyable for me. It would probably bore anyone who is not a horror fan or movie production fan but if you are it is definitely a must read.
Profile Image for Chase.
23 reviews
June 11, 2020
“Slash of the Titans” is pure fun for horror fans, particularly Freddy and/or Jason fans. I’ve read some of the rejected scripts for “Freddy vs. Jason” online. Most of which come off as passable fan fiction. This book gives trimmed up summaries of each one with great background and incite from the writers and other people involved. The author never judged any of the scripts or their elements. (Freddy cults? Jason speaks?) It’s apparent that we got the best movie we possibly could from the twists and turns documented here. Keep it simple! “Freddy vs. Jason” ended up being a great popcorn movie that paid homage to both franchises.
Profile Image for Eric Roman.
Author 4 books13 followers
March 10, 2021
As a fan of both film series since I was a child, I truly figured this would offer nothing I've not heard or read about before. I was wrong. The in-depth treks into each of the proposed films leading up to the FvJ we got was enthralling. And maddening. As a horror fan I literally shook my head most of the time (Jason talks? Freddy rules the world?) WTF were they thinking I shouted to the heavens. If you're a fan of horror films, or just the process of film-making; this is a fun ride into the world of script development, and a glimpse into the machine that spent more money developing the film they wanted then they spent actually making it.
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111 reviews2 followers
May 22, 2017
A surprisingly engaging and informative look at the long, complicated development and production history of FREDDY VS JASON. McNeill manages to get the bulk of the major players involved with the film to go on record, and provides some great insight into the various versions of the film which could have been. The only real drawback to the book, aside from the odd typo, is that McNeill's fan enthusiasm in his evaluation of various versions of FREDDY VS JASON occasionally results in a bit too much hyperbole about the quality of some of the proposed ideas for the film.
Profile Image for Michael Rowland.
2 reviews
October 31, 2020
The information included in this book is invaluable and I’m grateful for the author’s work in compiling all of it, but the lack of editing on this book is pretty frustrating. There are typos and grammatical snafus all over the place. The lack of care shown for proofreading sours what is otherwise an interesting story and a fun read. Also, sometimes the same scenes would be written about multiple times in each chapter with no real variation.

If you’re a hardcore fan of F13 and/or NOES, check this out. I had no idea the struggle it was to find a script for this movie!
Profile Image for Tyler Nichols.
Author 2 books7 followers
June 16, 2020
These were some absolute batshit insane scripts that went around with FvJ. While I don't believe the produced film is the absolute best film they could have possibly made, it's definitely the best script of all of these. In fact, having to sludge through the 12 (?) other ones, before finally getting to the Shannon/Swift draft, just made me appreciate that so much more. Still, this was just really enjoyable and a read I'll be returning to in the future.
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713 reviews4 followers
October 23, 2023
If you're a fan of either franchise, or a fan of Freddy and/or Jason, (I'm a huge fan of both characters and franchises) then 'Slash of the Titans: The Road to Freddy vs Jason is a must-read. This is extremely well-researched and written by author Dustin McNeill. There's some great insight into the multitude of scripts that didn't get made, as well as diving into what made the producers eventually greenlight the Shannon and Swift version. Highly recommended for genre fans.
Profile Image for Andrew.
551 reviews7 followers
September 2, 2018
An exhaustively-researched collection of interviews with those involved with the myriad attempts to put Freddy and Jason against each other leading up to their eventual 2003 showdown, with some fascinating roads not-taken detailed and explored with a wealth of insight.

Well worth a read for anyone curious.
Profile Image for Joel Heath.
1 review1 follower
February 9, 2021
An interesting insight into a troubled production. Lots of questions to why New Line made the decisions they made don’t really get cleared up. But fascinating the amount of pre-production work that never saw the light of day. How can you screw up a movie about the two biggest horror icons in cinema? What we got, says you definitely can.
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Author 5 books28 followers
November 26, 2022
A fascinating deep dive into one of the most iconic troubled productions in horror, this audiobook managed to through over a decade of stop-start production without ever feeling repetitive or losing its steam. I was interested from beginning to end, and although I’m glad some of these stories didn’t become the final product, it was nevertheless really fascinating to hear about them.
Profile Image for Talon.
4 reviews
March 25, 2023
2.5
There is a lot of information in this book regarding the lead up to the making of Freddy Vs Jason and all of the different hurdles the production had to overcome.

Those very familiar with both franchises should be aware that most of this information has been discussed in numerous videos, behind the scenes clips and podcasts.

The narration is ok. Not really noteworthy but also not bad.
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158 reviews1 follower
July 22, 2017
A pretty thorough examination of all of the drafts of scripts for Freddy vs. Jason before deciding on the one they went with. If you're into slasher/horror films AND film history/behind-the-scenes stuff, then give this a read. Would definitely be boring for some, but I loved it.
10 reviews
November 30, 2017
Great insight

A cool peek into what could've been....I am a lifelong Jason fan and enjoyed FvJ back when it was released. This book let's you see, both good and bad, what some other writers attempted to do with the movie.
Profile Image for Paul Downey.
139 reviews2 followers
April 8, 2018
A fascinating tour of development hell

The story of Freddy vs Jason is the stuff of horror legend, this is an excellent and detailed account of how the film finally got made. Recommended!
Profile Image for Lorin.
17 reviews
October 26, 2020
A truly exhaustive history of the making of Freddy vs Jason. Author Dustin McNeill talks to every single person who ever touched this film and gets the scoop on everything that could and should have happened in this movie. Truly did gods work here.
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3 reviews
February 15, 2021
A fascinating look about how high expectations, fandom, auteurs, and commercialism keep a film in development hells. Good reading for writers and behind-the-scenes storytelling whether you are a horror fan or not.
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117 reviews
May 4, 2022
Top-tier deep dive into this single film and the monumental effort and decade-spanning effort it took to bring it to the screen. Truly surprising the amount of love and care that went into what is seemingly so often dismissed by so many as cash-grab shlock.
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