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Incest
Incest is a chilling tale of sexual experimentation and philosophical exploration carried to its most logical—and devastating—extreme. Marquis de Sade’s semi-autobiographical protagonist, Monsieur de Franval, is rich, handsome, intelligent, and thoroughly immoral. When he marries a pious woman and fathers a daughter, he is determined to educate his progeny to be “free.” The ultimate proof of his daughter’s unfettered liberty? That she become his secret lover. But when the beautiful and accomplished daughter spurns an eligible young bachelor, instead declaring her intention to remain with her father, her naïve and doting mother’s suspicions are at last aroused. Confused and distressed by her daughter’s behavior, Madame de Franval confronts her husband—with tragic results. A challenging and breathtaking masterpiece, Incest is a sober portrait of catastrophe in the midst of excess.
112 pages, Paperback
First published January 1, 1800
About the author
Marquis de Sade
619 books2,429 followersA preoccupation with sexual violence characterizes novels, plays, and short stories that Donatien Alphonse François, comte de Sade but known as marquis de Sade, of France wrote. After this writer derives the word sadism, the deriving of sexual gratification from fantasies or acts that involve causing other persons to suffer physical or mental pain.
This aristocrat, revolutionary politician, and philosopher exhibited famous libertine lifestyle.
His works include dialogues and political tracts; in his lifetime, he published some works under his own name and denied authorship of apparently anonymous other works. His best erotic works combined philosophical discourse with pornography and depicted fantasies with an emphasis on criminality and blasphemy against the Catholic Church. Morality, religion or law restrained not his "extreme freedom." Various prisons and an insane asylum incarcerated the aristocrat for 32 years of his life: ten years in the Bastile, another year elsewhere in Paris, a month in Conciergerie, two years in a fortress, a year in Madelonnettes, three years in Bicêtre, a year in Sainte-Pélagie, and 13 years in the Charenton asylum. During the French revolution, people elected this criminal as delegate to the National Convention. He wrote many of his works in prison.
This aristocrat, revolutionary politician, and philosopher exhibited famous libertine lifestyle.
His works include dialogues and political tracts; in his lifetime, he published some works under his own name and denied authorship of apparently anonymous other works. His best erotic works combined philosophical discourse with pornography and depicted fantasies with an emphasis on criminality and blasphemy against the Catholic Church. Morality, religion or law restrained not his "extreme freedom." Various prisons and an insane asylum incarcerated the aristocrat for 32 years of his life: ten years in the Bastile, another year elsewhere in Paris, a month in Conciergerie, two years in a fortress, a year in Madelonnettes, three years in Bicêtre, a year in Sainte-Pélagie, and 13 years in the Charenton asylum. During the French revolution, people elected this criminal as delegate to the National Convention. He wrote many of his works in prison.
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January 6, 2022
That's a pretty lovely novel, especially for fans of the style and writing of the Marquis de Sade. This story can be shocking since the main character, Eugenie, attempts to seduce her father at fourteen, while the latter provides her with an education devoid of morals or religion.
September 14, 2026
من بعض المشاكل التي تواجهنا أحياناً -نحن معشر القرّاء- هي شراء كتاب لا نعرف عنه شيء ولا حتى عن كاتبه، وهنا تكمن المفاجأة حين قرأت هذه الأقصوصة القصيرة. قررت بقراءة هذه العمل بسبب قلة عدد صفحاته وتحديداً وأنني انتهيت من عمل كبير قبله لكنني انبهرت وتحديداً أنني لم أقرأ نبذته.
هو عمل فلسفي بحت للفرنسي "دو ساد" يُقال كتبه عام 1788 ونُشر 1800، لكن لا توجد الكثير من المعلومات حول هذا العمل. اشتهر دو ساد بعمله "جوستين" ولم أقرأه بعد ولكن أستطيع القول بأنه على شاكلية هذه الأقصوصة. أما عن المُترجم فلم يكتب اسمه و وضع اختصار أحرف لم أفهم الغاية وتحديداً وأن هناك قصص مثل هذه ولكن تُرجم العمل أو كما كُتِب "تعريب: م. ب. ر. ب.
دو ساد يعرض قصة أب غير أخلاقي يتزوج ويُرزق بابنة، سيربي هذه الابنة كيفما شاء هو وليس النظام وأبى حتى إشراك الأم في تربيتها، تربيته (أي الأب لابنته) من نوع مُنحل، أو نستطيع القول بأن رباها على الانفتاح المطلق الذي هو بعينه الانحلال، ليؤدي الأب غرضه وهو العلاقات المحرمة في هذه الأسرة الصغيرة، ستكتشف الأم هذه الفاجعة وسيهددها الأب وينتقم منها باستخدام الابنة وأساليب أخرى مثل الافتراء عليها و تخطيط كمين لها.
هنا نتكلم عن النشأة الغير سوية، فصل الجزء عن الكُل، والكل عن الجزء، عدم تطبيق النظام السائد والفرار من عواقبه الوخيمة، سيطرة القوي على الضعيف، استغلال الجنس الناعم، تآمر الأصدقاء والأقارب، والكثير هنا.
الأقصوصة المأساوية هي مبتذلة ولكن طرحها مع حلها كانا متلازمين، فلا شك بأن هذه الجرائم موجودة إلى الآن والعجيب ليس فقط في وجود هكذا مأساة في الغرب بل في البلدان المحافظة مع تبريرها وعدم أخذ الإجراءات اللازمة.
تحليل هذا العمل من سياق نفسي سيأخذنا إلى مجريات كثيرة، تحليلات معقدة وشائكة لكن نهايتها ستكون واحدة.
نهاية تليق بهذا الغول المتسلط.
"لم تعد هذه الروح الفاسقة تصغي لصوت الطبيعة، لقد سدَّت الرذيلة كل السُبْل، التي يمكن أن توصل إليها..."
"البلهاء أو الذين لا شغل لهم؛ قال فيلسوف: لا يتزوّج المرءُ قطُ، إلا حين لا يعرف ما ذا الذي يفعله، أو حين لا يعرف، أبداً، ماذا يفعل."
هو عمل فلسفي بحت للفرنسي "دو ساد" يُقال كتبه عام 1788 ونُشر 1800، لكن لا توجد الكثير من المعلومات حول هذا العمل. اشتهر دو ساد بعمله "جوستين" ولم أقرأه بعد ولكن أستطيع القول بأنه على شاكلية هذه الأقصوصة. أما عن المُترجم فلم يكتب اسمه و وضع اختصار أحرف لم أفهم الغاية وتحديداً وأن هناك قصص مثل هذه ولكن تُرجم العمل أو كما كُتِب "تعريب: م. ب. ر. ب.
دو ساد يعرض قصة أب غير أخلاقي يتزوج ويُرزق بابنة، سيربي هذه الابنة كيفما شاء هو وليس النظام وأبى حتى إشراك الأم في تربيتها، تربيته (أي الأب لابنته) من نوع مُنحل، أو نستطيع القول بأن رباها على الانفتاح المطلق الذي هو بعينه الانحلال، ليؤدي الأب غرضه وهو العلاقات المحرمة في هذه الأسرة الصغيرة، ستكتشف الأم هذه الفاجعة وسيهددها الأب وينتقم منها باستخدام الابنة وأساليب أخرى مثل الافتراء عليها و تخطيط كمين لها.
هنا نتكلم عن النشأة الغير سوية، فصل الجزء عن الكُل، والكل عن الجزء، عدم تطبيق النظام السائد والفرار من عواقبه الوخيمة، سيطرة القوي على الضعيف، استغلال الجنس الناعم، تآمر الأصدقاء والأقارب، والكثير هنا.
الأقصوصة المأساوية هي مبتذلة ولكن طرحها مع حلها كانا متلازمين، فلا شك بأن هذه الجرائم موجودة إلى الآن والعجيب ليس فقط في وجود هكذا مأساة في الغرب بل في البلدان المحافظة مع تبريرها وعدم أخذ الإجراءات اللازمة.
تحليل هذا العمل من سياق نفسي سيأخذنا إلى مجريات كثيرة، تحليلات معقدة وشائكة لكن نهايتها ستكون واحدة.
نهاية تليق بهذا الغول المتسلط.
"لم تعد هذه الروح الفاسقة تصغي لصوت الطبيعة، لقد سدَّت الرذيلة كل السُبْل، التي يمكن أن توصل إليها..."
"البلهاء أو الذين لا شغل لهم؛ قال فيلسوف: لا يتزوّج المرءُ قطُ، إلا حين لا يعرف ما ذا الذي يفعله، أو حين لا يعرف، أبداً، ماذا يفعل."
March 18, 2017
It's sometimes hard to come to a valid conclusion as to where the Marquis actually stands on libertine philosophy. All of his books contain long, logic-based expositions and defenses (although he would never claim a need to defend it) of libertinism by his characters who embrace and practice it. These are also used to mock and ridicule those who think the world and people should deal fairly with all. Occasionally though, he surprises his readers with a story that vividly depicts the dire consequences that may accrue to a life devoted exclusively to libertine excesses. This is such a story. It's not for those whose sensibilities are easily bruised, but if you can handle it, it's worth a read for what it may reveal to you about yourself.
November 4, 2017
Daha önce 'Ensest' ismiyle başka bir yayınevi tarafından yayımlanan romanının yeni çevirisi ve baskısı çok iyi olmuş, onu belirtmek isterim. Umarım Chiviyazıları yazarın bütün eserlerini benzer özenle bizimle buluşturur.
Doğası gereği tabu olan ensest olayına daha farklı bir kanaldan yaklaşan Sade, bu konudaki yargıların evrensel özellik göstermediği; ulusal ya da bölgesel olabildiğinin altını çiziyor. Trajedi niteliği taşıyan bir öykü yazmış olsa da, hikayenin son bölümünü bir kenara koyarsak, bize yine benzersiz karakterler ve düşünceler sunuyor. Özellikle diyalog olarak yazılmış uzun pasajlarda, ensest ve genel geçer ahlakla ilgili yazarın sorgulayıcı ve yeni fikirler üretici eleştirel yaklaşımı beni çok etkiledi. Sade bütün eserlerinde yer alan koşulsuz özgürlük talebini, yine haz odaklı bir noktadan aktarmayı tercih etmiş. Nefes aldıran, beklediğim gibi bir okuma oldu.
Cinsel tabulara, sansürlere inat Marquis de Sade diyorum!:)
İyi okumalar!
7/10
Doğası gereği tabu olan ensest olayına daha farklı bir kanaldan yaklaşan Sade, bu konudaki yargıların evrensel özellik göstermediği; ulusal ya da bölgesel olabildiğinin altını çiziyor. Trajedi niteliği taşıyan bir öykü yazmış olsa da, hikayenin son bölümünü bir kenara koyarsak, bize yine benzersiz karakterler ve düşünceler sunuyor. Özellikle diyalog olarak yazılmış uzun pasajlarda, ensest ve genel geçer ahlakla ilgili yazarın sorgulayıcı ve yeni fikirler üretici eleştirel yaklaşımı beni çok etkiledi. Sade bütün eserlerinde yer alan koşulsuz özgürlük talebini, yine haz odaklı bir noktadan aktarmayı tercih etmiş. Nefes aldıran, beklediğim gibi bir okuma oldu.
Cinsel tabulara, sansürlere inat Marquis de Sade diyorum!:)
İyi okumalar!
7/10
November 13, 2017
Would you believe me if I told you I had never heard of this writer nor the book when I bought it? Of course, I hadn't read the blurb as always. Now don't go asking me how do I choose my books without reading the blurb! It's a secret I am not going to divulge. It requires a lot of strategizing and plotting and planning so not your cup of tea, I am sure. :p
So when a Goodreads group presented a monthly challenge to read books that have pages between 100 and 200, amongst hordes of books, this came up in my search. This book often sat peeking at me from behind the other books in my shelves (with that cover, it can't get the front space, ya know) and I was afraid of picking it up because it looked like a classic (yeah didn't bother to check the genre either, classic me! Pun intended). However, I believed this was the right moment to get this book out of the way. And I did.
To my pleasant surprise, it read smoothly and quickly. In fact, I started it a bit after midnight and wanted to finish it. But the thought of getting up early for work, made me give up halfway through the book. The first thing I did after getting back from work was to pick it up and read, read, read until I finished. *Sigh* The 100ish pages helped. It really is ideal to be read in one sitting.
Now, what did I think of it? Phew, tough question. Good thing I was warned a bit of strong content by the introduction. So there wasn't much that really took me aback or shocked me. I kind of went with the flow. Of course, the subject is cringe-worthy. It may come across as downright disgusting or nauseating for some so caution is advised. Absolutely not for below 16, better 18. The subject is an interesting one. The language is simple to comprehend yet beautiful in the way it flows. I especially appreciated the debates between Franval and the clergyman. Some food for thought really. And a glimpse into the manipulating, cunning nature of humankind to get what it wants, whatever the costs be and to whomever.
It certainly made for an interesting read. It also piqued my interest in Sade. I was astonished to read he spent 32 years of his life in prisons and asylums and wrote most of his work in prison. Wow, what a sad life, really. I will definitely be reading more by him although I have been sufficiently warned.
P. S. Heard about 'sadism'? He's the one from where the term originated-after his name.
P. P. S Whatever the book may have you believe, no, a father marrying a daughter is not permissible on the banks of Ganges!! And to the best of my knowledge, never was. Ugh.
So when a Goodreads group presented a monthly challenge to read books that have pages between 100 and 200, amongst hordes of books, this came up in my search. This book often sat peeking at me from behind the other books in my shelves (with that cover, it can't get the front space, ya know) and I was afraid of picking it up because it looked like a classic (yeah didn't bother to check the genre either, classic me! Pun intended). However, I believed this was the right moment to get this book out of the way. And I did.
To my pleasant surprise, it read smoothly and quickly. In fact, I started it a bit after midnight and wanted to finish it. But the thought of getting up early for work, made me give up halfway through the book. The first thing I did after getting back from work was to pick it up and read, read, read until I finished. *Sigh* The 100ish pages helped. It really is ideal to be read in one sitting.
Now, what did I think of it? Phew, tough question. Good thing I was warned a bit of strong content by the introduction. So there wasn't much that really took me aback or shocked me. I kind of went with the flow. Of course, the subject is cringe-worthy. It may come across as downright disgusting or nauseating for some so caution is advised. Absolutely not for below 16, better 18. The subject is an interesting one. The language is simple to comprehend yet beautiful in the way it flows. I especially appreciated the debates between Franval and the clergyman. Some food for thought really. And a glimpse into the manipulating, cunning nature of humankind to get what it wants, whatever the costs be and to whomever.
It certainly made for an interesting read. It also piqued my interest in Sade. I was astonished to read he spent 32 years of his life in prisons and asylums and wrote most of his work in prison. Wow, what a sad life, really. I will definitely be reading more by him although I have been sufficiently warned.
P. S. Heard about 'sadism'? He's the one from where the term originated-after his name.
P. P. S Whatever the book may have you believe, no, a father marrying a daughter is not permissible on the banks of Ganges!! And to the best of my knowledge, never was. Ugh.
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July 8, 2020Not rating the book because I feel confused and divided about the book.
As someone who works in the child rights and child protection space, this book made me outrightly uncomfortable. I know I read Lolita around 7-8 years ago and thought "The premise is controversial, but look how beautiful the prose is." I don't think I'm that person anymore. I am not a prude when it comes to reading about sexual adventures, but I draw the line when it involves a child.
The introduction of this edition compares Incest to Lolita and lists down some remarkable similarities. The father, M. de Franval set his eyes on his daughter the moment she was born and separated her from her mother. Who looks at a newborn baby and finds them desirable? Well, we've clearly established that Franval's propensity towards his infant child was an unnatural proclivity. The book goes on to suggest that since the father is responsible for his daughter's utmost happiness, what's the harm if he's the one who's giving her that. What he does to his daughter is contentiously known as 'grooming'. It is when you condition a person into believing that the wrong happening to him/her is completely natural and is the way of life.
During his lifetime, Sade was known to abuse both men and women. There are instances of him abusing children and mistreating the persons he would pay for sexual favours. He was incarcerated multiple times, and has written a lot of his works while he was in prison. What I was not aware of, was that the words sadist and sadism have been derived from his name. Wow. I wouldn't want to be that person.
As someone who works in the child rights and child protection space, this book made me outrightly uncomfortable. I know I read Lolita around 7-8 years ago and thought "The premise is controversial, but look how beautiful the prose is." I don't think I'm that person anymore. I am not a prude when it comes to reading about sexual adventures, but I draw the line when it involves a child.
The introduction of this edition compares Incest to Lolita and lists down some remarkable similarities. The father, M. de Franval set his eyes on his daughter the moment she was born and separated her from her mother. Who looks at a newborn baby and finds them desirable? Well, we've clearly established that Franval's propensity towards his infant child was an unnatural proclivity. The book goes on to suggest that since the father is responsible for his daughter's utmost happiness, what's the harm if he's the one who's giving her that. What he does to his daughter is contentiously known as 'grooming'. It is when you condition a person into believing that the wrong happening to him/her is completely natural and is the way of life.
During his lifetime, Sade was known to abuse both men and women. There are instances of him abusing children and mistreating the persons he would pay for sexual favours. He was incarcerated multiple times, and has written a lot of his works while he was in prison. What I was not aware of, was that the words sadist and sadism have been derived from his name. Wow. I wouldn't want to be that person.
January 3, 2014
Marquis de Sade doesn't hold anything back.
Now I understand why the words sadism and sadist are divided from his name!
Now I understand why the words sadism and sadist are divided from his name!
April 22, 2014
Eloquently written. Sade at his best.
November 28, 2007
Like most of de Sade's works - to be honest, I've only read Justine, about half of The Crimes of Love, and a piece called "Dialogue between a Priest and a Dying Man" - Incest is down right depraved. Compared to Nabokov's Lolita in the Introduction by the translator as "what we know to be the hellish world of child abuse." I find Andrew Brown's comparison to Lolita unfair to both writers. While Lolita deals with similar decadence, if read closely, it is nothing more than a dark comedy about a man making an attempt to justify his lust for his step-daughter who is far from an innocent party - have we all forgotten the several times she used Humbert Humbert's own lust against him, eventually running away with Quilty?
No, the crimes in Incest are far worst. Unlike Humbert, whose sole reason - it would seem - was to relive the short love life of his adolescent self, Franval's reasons are less than misguided; he knows full well exactly what he wants and how to get it. Upon her birth, Franval whisks Eugenie away from her mother and hides her away from all social norms - religion (I don't consider this a social norm) and relationships. While he does hire the daughters of house servants and swears more than once that he isn't keeping Eugenie against her will, we pretty much see the deviance that thrives from each chamber of his heart.
And unlike Humbert, who continues to believe that he only did what was expected of him - doesn't he say more than once (in different variations) that all wise men have relationships with younger girls? - Franval sees the error of his way. While Humbert doesn't grow much as a character in the end, Franval does what is expected of him in the end - repentance for his sins.
No, the crimes in Incest are far worst. Unlike Humbert, whose sole reason - it would seem - was to relive the short love life of his adolescent self, Franval's reasons are less than misguided; he knows full well exactly what he wants and how to get it. Upon her birth, Franval whisks Eugenie away from her mother and hides her away from all social norms - religion (I don't consider this a social norm) and relationships. While he does hire the daughters of house servants and swears more than once that he isn't keeping Eugenie against her will, we pretty much see the deviance that thrives from each chamber of his heart.
And unlike Humbert, who continues to believe that he only did what was expected of him - doesn't he say more than once (in different variations) that all wise men have relationships with younger girls? - Franval sees the error of his way. While Humbert doesn't grow much as a character in the end, Franval does what is expected of him in the end - repentance for his sins.
September 5, 2016
Επειδή είχα καιρό να διαβάσω κάτι άρρωστο, είπα να μη χάσω την ευκαιρία.
Περιληπτικά: ένας Γάλλος ευγενής ερωτεύεται την ίδια του την κόρη απο την στιγμή της γέννησής της. Αποφασίζει να την αναθρέψει σύμφωνα με τις δικές του επιθυμίες ώστε άμεσα να την κάνει δική του. Για να μη σας τα πολυλογώ, τα καταφέρνει... (Είπαμε, δεν ειναι τόσο πορνογράφημα όσο κάποια άλλα έργα του αλλά λίγη ανωμαλία ειναι απαραίτητη)
Η μητέρα της νεαράς διακορευθείσας, αποφασίζει να παρει την κατάσταση στα χέρια της και να απαλλάξει την μικρή απο τον σατυρο πατέρα. Αυτά και ακόμα λιγο θα μας οδηγήσουν σε ένα λυτρωτικό τέλος, αντάξιο μιας αρχαίας τραγωδίας.
Αξίζει να αναφέρω πως μέσα σε όλη την σκηνή που περιέγραψα, υπάρχουν οι συνηθισμένοι προβληματισμοί του μαρκησίου για την θρησκεία, την ηθική και τις κοινωνικές συνθήκες. Πολύ καλό έργο καθώς συμπυκνώνει τις ιδέες και την ζωή του Μαρκησίου σε μικρό και περιεκτικό κείμενο.
Περιληπτικά: ένας Γάλλος ευγενής ερωτεύεται την ίδια του την κόρη απο την στιγμή της γέννησής της. Αποφασίζει να την αναθρέψει σύμφωνα με τις δικές του επιθυμίες ώστε άμεσα να την κάνει δική του. Για να μη σας τα πολυλογώ, τα καταφέρνει... (Είπαμε, δεν ειναι τόσο πορνογράφημα όσο κάποια άλλα έργα του αλλά λίγη ανωμαλία ειναι απαραίτητη)
Η μητέρα της νεαράς διακορευθείσας, αποφασίζει να παρει την κατάσταση στα χέρια της και να απαλλάξει την μικρή απο τον σατυρο πατέρα. Αυτά και ακόμα λιγο θα μας οδηγήσουν σε ένα λυτρωτικό τέλος, αντάξιο μιας αρχαίας τραγωδίας.
Αξίζει να αναφέρω πως μέσα σε όλη την σκηνή που περιέγραψα, υπάρχουν οι συνηθισμένοι προβληματισμοί του μαρκησίου για την θρησκεία, την ηθική και τις κοινωνικές συνθήκες. Πολύ καλό έργο καθώς συμπυκνώνει τις ιδέες και την ζωή του Μαρκησίου σε μικρό και περιεκτικό κείμενο.
October 15, 2016
Μια "αρχαία" τραγωδία, τοποθετημένη στην εποχή του Διαφωτισμού.
Δεν μπορείς να ταυτιστείς με κάποιον ήρωα, για προφανείς λόγους, αλλά παρακολουθείς με αμείωτο ενδιαφέρον την εξέλιξη της πορείας τους. Προτείνεται ανεπιφύλακτα για λάτρεις της φιλοσοφίας.
Δεν μπορείς να ταυτιστείς με κάποιον ήρωα, για προφανείς λόγους, αλλά παρακολουθείς με αμείωτο ενδιαφέρον την εξέλιξη της πορείας τους. Προτείνεται ανεπιφύλακτα για λάτρεις της φιλοσοφίας.
November 7, 2026
المرة الاولى التي اقرا فيها إلى الماركيز دو ساد ، وارى ان معظم الأغلفة الفاحشة بمختلف اللغات اعطت انطباعاً خاطئاً عن النوفيلا، فالقارئ يقفز إلى أنه سيقرأ رواية ايروتكية فاحشة، وارى ذلك من الظلم الإعلامي والتسويق الذي يهدف إلى اثارة القارئ بلا هدف إما لزيادة المبيعات او الحكم الخاطئ الذي ينفر القارئ من القراءة فينأى بنفسه عنها.. حتى الترجمة العربية (التعريب) لم تحمل سوى حرفين أوليين من اسم المترجم وكأنه يخشى الفضيحة .. فالأقصوصة هذه رغم انها تحمل موضوع سفاح القربى كنقطة انطلاق ولكنها نوفيلا تحمل افكارا فلسفية وجودية ودينية رائعة، وتخلو حتى من اي تلميحات جنسية صريحة، وتدين هذا الفعل المحرم، بل وتحيله إلى اسوء النهايات ، فالماركيز دو ساد فيلسوف انساني ربما تفوق على مفكري عصره ، وقد يشكل البعض عليّ هذا الاستنتاج لانها المرة الاولى التي اقرا فيها له، ولكن من خلال عمل واحد يستطيع القارئ ان يتبين عمق فكره،
اخترت الغلاف الاجمل لان الغلاف العربي لم يعجبني
والترجمة العربية كانت نوعا ما متكلفة
وأعجبت بهذه المراجعة جدا ، تلخص الأفكار الفلسفية والمقاصد وراء هذا العمل :
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
اخترت الغلاف الاجمل لان الغلاف العربي لم يعجبني
والترجمة العربية كانت نوعا ما متكلفة
وأعجبت بهذه المراجعة جدا ، تلخص الأفكار الفلسفية والمقاصد وراء هذا العمل :
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
June 16, 2015
Deep down I think that this was every woman’s fear. Their daughter, a younger and prettier version of themselves, will steal their husband’s (or boyfriend’s) affections from them. I don’t necessarily mean romantic affections either, wives could fear the husband will spend more time with the daughter or show her more attention and forget about the wife. Of course women won’t admit it, or even realize this is how they feel because we live in a society where we are told genetic attraction is wrong and punishable by law in some areas. So they feel a sense of security.
In the book, it is discussed that some cultures Incest happens on some level, it is expected and accepted. It happens enough among humans there is even a name for it, Genetic Sexual Attraction. To a small degree, GSA is in all of us bred from nurture. The old adage of a girl looks to her father for qualities in her future husband, and boys look to their mothers for qualities they want in a future bride. I have even seen a commercial where a father takes his 4or 5 year old daughter on a date to show her what to expect of men when she is allowed to date.
The author even uses the story of Lot from the Bible as a justification for his actions. Personally I cannot speak about that story as I have not read it, but the author uses the excuse of “if it is all right with the lord why is it not right for me” spiel that a lot of people like using for their own means. I find this ironic because he is against religion and the Bible in general, so why would he use this as a right to have sex with his daughter? Aside form being stupid, it is quite genius because the character knows it is the only way they will understand, as well as point out the hypocritical use of the Bible. Religious people are always picking and choosing certain passages of the Bible to use as it fits their situation because they readily admit the parts they don’t use are archaic in design.
While some men are of the mind that it is a father’s duty to prepare their daughter’s for life and sex, in this case I believe Franval went around it wrong. He kept Eugenie locked away from the world and other men, to keep her away from any other choice but him. It would have been different if she were around other people and had a chance to fall for someone else. Then Franval could have instructed her (be it verbally or physically, truer to De Sade’s writing) on how to please a man of her choosing. It would be no less shocking than how things actually pan out in the book.
Another theme in this book is that married couples are unhappy. Of course this is from a somewhat depressing time period, but I still like to think if they were so unhappy they could have divorced, but with the wife worshipping the ground he walked on that wouldn’t have happened.
Overall I’m not sure how I feel about the book. Which is why it only rates 3/5.
Recommend: if you have an open mind and not going to criticize it at every turn, then yes.
In the book, it is discussed that some cultures Incest happens on some level, it is expected and accepted. It happens enough among humans there is even a name for it, Genetic Sexual Attraction. To a small degree, GSA is in all of us bred from nurture. The old adage of a girl looks to her father for qualities in her future husband, and boys look to their mothers for qualities they want in a future bride. I have even seen a commercial where a father takes his 4or 5 year old daughter on a date to show her what to expect of men when she is allowed to date.
The author even uses the story of Lot from the Bible as a justification for his actions. Personally I cannot speak about that story as I have not read it, but the author uses the excuse of “if it is all right with the lord why is it not right for me” spiel that a lot of people like using for their own means. I find this ironic because he is against religion and the Bible in general, so why would he use this as a right to have sex with his daughter? Aside form being stupid, it is quite genius because the character knows it is the only way they will understand, as well as point out the hypocritical use of the Bible. Religious people are always picking and choosing certain passages of the Bible to use as it fits their situation because they readily admit the parts they don’t use are archaic in design.
While some men are of the mind that it is a father’s duty to prepare their daughter’s for life and sex, in this case I believe Franval went around it wrong. He kept Eugenie locked away from the world and other men, to keep her away from any other choice but him. It would have been different if she were around other people and had a chance to fall for someone else. Then Franval could have instructed her (be it verbally or physically, truer to De Sade’s writing) on how to please a man of her choosing. It would be no less shocking than how things actually pan out in the book.
Another theme in this book is that married couples are unhappy. Of course this is from a somewhat depressing time period, but I still like to think if they were so unhappy they could have divorced, but with the wife worshipping the ground he walked on that wouldn’t have happened.
Overall I’m not sure how I feel about the book. Which is why it only rates 3/5.
Recommend: if you have an open mind and not going to criticize it at every turn, then yes.
June 19, 2026
Quando leggo Sade, non provo eccitazione e non provo nemmeno quel distacco clinico che l'accademia cerca di imporci per renderlo digeribile. Provo una profonda inquietudine metafisica, la sensazione di essere intrappolata dentro un acceleratore di particelle dove gli elettroni sono pezzi di carne umana. Se nei grandi romanzi la perversione ha bisogno di centinaia di pagine di logoranti arringhe per giustificarsi davanti al tribunale della ragione, in questo frammento il delitto si spoglia di ogni orpello retorico e si fa puro assioma ontologico. L'incesto per Sade non è il soddisfacimento di un tabù freudiano o un capriccio della carne; è l'atto politico supremo, in quanto sabotaggio definitivo dell'architettura sociale. Colpire la consanguineità significa distruggere la cellula originaria dello Stato, interrompere la trasmissione lineare della proprietà e del nome, e soprattutto spezzare il patto biologico della specie. C’è un dettaglio bio-bibliografico che mi tormenta ogni volta che mi accosto a queste pagine: Sade scriveva le sue opere più estreme su rotoli di carta millimetrata lunghi metri, con una grafia microscopica che stipava ogni millimetro di spazio per non sprecare il materiale sottratto clandestinamente ai guardiani della Bastiglia. Durante l'assalto del 14 luglio 1789, il Marchese era appena stato trasferito al manicomio di Charenton, costretto a lasciare indietro tutta la sua biblioteca clandestina. Quando seppe che quel rotolo (che conteneva le centoventi giornate e i nuclei teorici sull'endogamia criminale) era andato apparentemente perduto nel saccheggio, Sade non reagì come un detenuto politico, ma come un demiurgo spodestato: i testimoni raccontano che pianse "lacrime di sangue", sprofondando in una depressione maniacale. Sentiva che la sua carne poteva anche marcire in cella, ma che la scomparsa di quella geometria verbale dell'eccesso lo avrebbe privato dell'unica immortalità a cui ambiva: quella del testo che sopravvive al collasso dell'antropocentrismo. “Incest” conserva intatto il brivido di quella cenere sottratta alle fiamme della storia. La prosa non ha le ipertrofie oratorie che rendono i suoi romanzi successivi una palude intollerabile; è scarna, tagliente, fredda come il marmo di un tavolo autoptico. La lingua compie qui il suo miracolo più perverso, elevando il crimine di sangue a dovere filosofico purificatorio, un modo per isolare l'Io nella sua solitudine sovrana, separandolo radicalmente dalla melma del genere umano.
June 16, 2020
3.5/5.
This reads like an Indian commercial film but with the added bonus of incest. It’s exactly like a film, it has revenge, it has a man who hates his wife and wants her to die, it has action, it has murder, it has chases with horses- the whole lot.
It’s about Franval, who marries a young woman, has a daughter with her and then seduces the daughter, Eugenie. He doesn’t let Eugenie study what normal children do, he teaches her philosophy and languages. HIS philosophy, particularly, bringing in this Electra complex but not naturally. Franval educates Eugenie about his own philosophy and makes her hate her mother with a vengeance.
It’s a good book, it’s scandalous and quite realistic.
This reads like an Indian commercial film but with the added bonus of incest. It’s exactly like a film, it has revenge, it has a man who hates his wife and wants her to die, it has action, it has murder, it has chases with horses- the whole lot.
It’s about Franval, who marries a young woman, has a daughter with her and then seduces the daughter, Eugenie. He doesn’t let Eugenie study what normal children do, he teaches her philosophy and languages. HIS philosophy, particularly, bringing in this Electra complex but not naturally. Franval educates Eugenie about his own philosophy and makes her hate her mother with a vengeance.
It’s a good book, it’s scandalous and quite realistic.
March 2, 2011
I always wanted to read a book by Marquis de Sade, and Incest was the perfect choice after reading The Kiss. This is about an evil man who decides that he will make love to his daughter when she reaches the age of 14. But his aim is for her to want it too. So he separates her from her mother right from birth and brings her up in a certain way. She is not allowed to call him father, only friend or by certain names. She has only private tutors and is thouroughly kept away from her mother and grandmother.
He doesn't go into describing the acts of making love, which apaprently is quite unusual for de Sade, but what makes this story really interesting is the psychology behind it and how much impact a certain upbringing can have to an infant.
I highly recommend this book.
He doesn't go into describing the acts of making love, which apaprently is quite unusual for de Sade, but what makes this story really interesting is the psychology behind it and how much impact a certain upbringing can have to an infant.
I highly recommend this book.
March 13, 2025
Reading this book was a strange and challenging experience. It was disturbing, repetitive, and, at times, an endurance test. Knowing little about Sade beforehand, I was blindsided by the ride I was subjecting myself to. Yet, despite its challenges, I was drawn to its intersections of philosophy and meditations on the absolute limits of human thought.
Sade’s writing embraces the extreme ends of libertinism, pushing beyond morality, convention, and even the reader’s patience. The book doesn’t just explore transgression. It revels in it, making one question if Sade is celebrating libertinism or exposing its dangers. Perhaps I’m too stupid, but I still don’t know where he truly stands. And maybe that’s the point.
Difficult in prose and often unbearable in content, the plot is undeniably thought-provoking. I can’t say I enjoyed it, but it was an experience, one that lingers uncomfortably long after the last page.
Sade’s writing embraces the extreme ends of libertinism, pushing beyond morality, convention, and even the reader’s patience. The book doesn’t just explore transgression. It revels in it, making one question if Sade is celebrating libertinism or exposing its dangers. Perhaps I’m too stupid, but I still don’t know where he truly stands. And maybe that’s the point.
Difficult in prose and often unbearable in content, the plot is undeniably thought-provoking. I can’t say I enjoyed it, but it was an experience, one that lingers uncomfortably long after the last page.
August 5, 2023
Considering the theme (the English title kind of gives it away comparing with the more subtle French original one) and the author himself (we all know what de Sade was famous and judged for) I thought this book would shock me much more than it did ( I bought it to challenge myself). But then if we remind ourselves how the late XVIII century (early XIX century) literature is, it's not with surprise that even the most outrageous acts are told with such lightness and elegance. I enjoyed this book, specially its pace, and ended up reading it in a couple of hours because of all the tragic innuendo towards the middle.
April 2, 2021
A surprisingly clean and accessible Sade work. Apart from the Incest relationship which isn't put to any great detail nothing too shocking happens. Makes you wonder what Sade would of been like as a writer if he wasn't so crazy and pushed things to the extreme.
February 2, 2026
Look, despite the rating, I don't think that this is a bad book - I just hated reading it.
Franval, Franval, Franval my beloathed. I have not felt this much seething hatred for a protagonist since Cezary Baryka in Przedwiośnie, only in this case Franval is supposed to be the villain, so being hateable is very much the point. This manipulative, lying, unscrupulous son of a bitch was the bane of my existence all throughout my reading time, so much so that at some points I geniuenly considered DNFing. I hate how believable he is in his evil, but I do have to praise the author for this very reason. If only he could've suffered more...
And as for suffering, it soon becomes obvious that the actual point of the book is not the incestous affair, but the psychological torture of Franval's poor wife. Yeah, this was written by the guy who's name begot the term "sadist" alright. He really did love to make that innocent creature suffer the trials of Job. The thing that soured me on her a little bit was her naivete and willingness to trust and forgive her husband after all he's done to her and her daughter. Really now? I mean I know that she's supposed to represent virtue & goodness & forgiveness but come on, have some sense lady.
On Eugénie I'm going to say this: bravo for depicting an imperfect victim (as opposed to Madame de Franval's perfect, palatable victim). Yes, she was raised and manipulated by her father into essentially becoming his mini-me that doubles as a sex doll, but even knowing this her behaviour is still repulsive and makes it difficult to truly feel bad for her. At the end of the day, though, you do realise that it's not fully her fault for being the way she is, so you can't condemn her either. Very good and interesting character, A+.
On the whole, an interesting but difficult read. I had difficulties assigning a number to my feelings, because quality-wise I'd give it 4 stars, but enjoyability-wise only 2... However, seeing as for most of my reading time I looked like pic related, I think I should go with the latter rating. As a reward for surviving Franval's bullshit.
TL;DR:
Good book.
Never let bro cook again.
(Oh wait he's dead)
(Nevermind then)
EDIT: Now that a couple days have passed, I decided to raise the score a bit. My hatred for Franval still prevents me from giving 4 stars, but I really do appreciate the story and I came to realise that a measly 2 stars is unfair after all.
Franval, Franval, Franval my beloathed. I have not felt this much seething hatred for a protagonist since Cezary Baryka in Przedwiośnie, only in this case Franval is supposed to be the villain, so being hateable is very much the point. This manipulative, lying, unscrupulous son of a bitch was the bane of my existence all throughout my reading time, so much so that at some points I geniuenly considered DNFing. I hate how believable he is in his evil, but I do have to praise the author for this very reason. If only he could've suffered more...
And as for suffering, it soon becomes obvious that the actual point of the book is not the incestous affair, but the psychological torture of Franval's poor wife. Yeah, this was written by the guy who's name begot the term "sadist" alright. He really did love to make that innocent creature suffer the trials of Job. The thing that soured me on her a little bit was her naivete and willingness to trust and forgive her husband after all he's done to her and her daughter. Really now? I mean I know that she's supposed to represent virtue & goodness & forgiveness but come on, have some sense lady.
On Eugénie I'm going to say this: bravo for depicting an imperfect victim (as opposed to Madame de Franval's perfect, palatable victim). Yes, she was raised and manipulated by her father into essentially becoming his mini-me that doubles as a sex doll, but even knowing this her behaviour is still repulsive and makes it difficult to truly feel bad for her. At the end of the day, though, you do realise that it's not fully her fault for being the way she is, so you can't condemn her either. Very good and interesting character, A+.
On the whole, an interesting but difficult read. I had difficulties assigning a number to my feelings, because quality-wise I'd give it 4 stars, but enjoyability-wise only 2... However, seeing as for most of my reading time I looked like pic related, I think I should go with the latter rating. As a reward for surviving Franval's bullshit.
TL;DR:
Good book.
Never let bro cook again.
(Oh wait he's dead)
(Nevermind then)
EDIT: Now that a couple days have passed, I decided to raise the score a bit. My hatred for Franval still prevents me from giving 4 stars, but I really do appreciate the story and I came to realise that a measly 2 stars is unfair after all.
November 11, 2018
Well, I haven't read much of European Literature. And it’s a glaring gap in my reading that I want to address. ‘Incest’ by Sade is one of the seminal classics - a book that was banned, and would probably continue to be banned in many parts of the world.
Comparisons would be drawn to ‘Lolita’ but I think ‘Incest’ is probably even more shocking. While Nabokov was rather more gentle in his treatment, Sade never fails to tell us just how much of a tyrant Franval is. You are spared no mercy in the description of the depravity of Franval. Sade himself, of course, led a troubled life. Sadism is derived from his name and remnants of that life seep in through the book.
I struggled a bit with the long-drawn out prose, and failed to connect with any of the characters. But you can’t really make a foray into European Literature without adding a Sade to your repertoire. Would I read another of his works? Ah, that...
Comparisons would be drawn to ‘Lolita’ but I think ‘Incest’ is probably even more shocking. While Nabokov was rather more gentle in his treatment, Sade never fails to tell us just how much of a tyrant Franval is. You are spared no mercy in the description of the depravity of Franval. Sade himself, of course, led a troubled life. Sadism is derived from his name and remnants of that life seep in through the book.
I struggled a bit with the long-drawn out prose, and failed to connect with any of the characters. But you can’t really make a foray into European Literature without adding a Sade to your repertoire. Would I read another of his works? Ah, that...
April 27, 2007
Literature par excellence that must be devoured at one go - incredibly fascinating piece of semi-autobiographical fiction that was not the least bit scandalising or revolting (as it is reputed to be) but definitely complex considering the relationship it's exploring...definitely worth reading and owning! Waiting to read "Justine" now...
July 26, 2014
A long meditation of sorts (if you wish to see it like that)on Nature and Culture. Of course, at this point in time, it'd seem rather outdated a debate but the text is rather engaging and indeed, a must-read.
January 21, 2018
short story by de sade, deals with a man who grooms his daughter (Eugenie de Franval) to fall in love with him. very disturbing, but intense read. well-plotted, relatively simple yet elegant prose. this seems like a good introduction to de sade's fiction.
February 18, 2021
I am disgusted and enchanted at the same moment. A grotesque story told with a horrific and somehow gentle way. It's standing of the edge of two sides and showing us the human nature in its most disgusting and raw form.
September 9, 2009
very surprised that it was so moralizing, whether or not it was supposed to be ironically so. this was not the juicy shit i was looking for!
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January 5, 2021
An excellent novella by 'a moral threat to prostitutes' about sophistry, love, lust and death.
November 9, 2026
قصة قصيرة .. للماوكيز دو ساد …
الحق انني سمعت الكثير عن هذا الاسم الذي اشتهر بالفحش والدعر كثيرا حتى اصبح الاسم يرتبط بمعاني جنسيةمن التابوه !!
لكن عندما قرأت القصة سألت نفسي .. أين هذه السمعة من هذه الرواية العميقة المعنى ؟!
بل فوجئت تماما بالقصة الرائعة والجرييئة الطرح والتي تحدثت عن قضية غاية بالحساسية …
سفاح القربى والانحلال الاخلاقي ..
في سرد هذه القصة يرسم لنا دوساد بتميز تبعات ان يتخلى الانسان عن ربه وفضائله والمبادئ القويمة بتدرج مذهل للاحداث .
لنحكي الملخص
تبدأ الرواية بوصف البطل فارنڤال.. رجلا غني ، متحرر ، ملحد .. وفيلسوف.
اتخذ من التحرر غطاء لارتكاب كل الفضائع .. وتبرير انحلاله وسلوكياته المشينه . لكن تحت سمات الثقة والشخصية السفسطائية المغلفة بقناع من الدهاء واللعب على المشاعر واخفاء حقيقته عن الناس .
ثم يتزوج فارنفال من امرأة فاضله تقية .. وغنيه ليكمل صورته الاجتماعية دون ان يخلع قناع فساده في البداية وتكتشفها زوجته وعائلتها.
وعندما تلد زوجته فتاة جميلة اسماها اوجيني .. يفقد نفسه .. ويتملكه رغبة عقيمة في انتزاع الطفلة من حضن امها المتدينة واحصار المربيات ومعلمات اختارهن بعناية ليكن اول من ينقلن البها العلوم بكافه صورها .. ماعدا الدين والفضيلة.. التي لايؤمن بها ..
حرم طفلته من كل ماجبل عليه المجتمع من تهذيب وتربية وتدين .. وغدت الفلسفة والتحرر وافكار والدها هى ماتعرف وتتبع وتحفظ .. فارنفال ارادها ان تتبنى كل فلسفته ويصيغ عقلها بها .. ويجعلها فتاة مختلفة عن قريناتها.
وكلما كبرت الفتاة زادت تعلقه بها وهيامه ..وتملكة المرضي
هذا الاب يسقط .. يستولى عليه شيطانه وافكاره الفاحشة.. وهرطقاته الفلسفية.. ومجونه .. اراد اوجيني ..واتخذها معشوقه .. اخذ يبرر لها هذا الحب الاثيم الذي غزا قلبه عندما بلغت طفلته عمر الزهور بانهما خلقا للحب ولاضير من اي نوع للحب طالما مارسته برغبتهما !! .. قال لابنته ان المجتمع والدين هو الذي يخلق هذه الحواجز لا المنطق والحرية المطلقة للانسان .!!!
اخيرا .. عندما يرتكب الانسان مثل هذه الجريمة النكراء بحق طفلته وزوجته الورعة المخلصة .. لابد ان يلحقها جرائم وجرائم عده ايضا .. ا
لان الطبيعة الإلهية والانسانية والفطرة السليمة لابد ان تاخذ مجراها في النهاية ..
والعقاب ات.. لامحاله !!!!
Recommend 👌😍📚
الحق انني سمعت الكثير عن هذا الاسم الذي اشتهر بالفحش والدعر كثيرا حتى اصبح الاسم يرتبط بمعاني جنسيةمن التابوه !!
لكن عندما قرأت القصة سألت نفسي .. أين هذه السمعة من هذه الرواية العميقة المعنى ؟!
بل فوجئت تماما بالقصة الرائعة والجرييئة الطرح والتي تحدثت عن قضية غاية بالحساسية …
سفاح القربى والانحلال الاخلاقي ..
في سرد هذه القصة يرسم لنا دوساد بتميز تبعات ان يتخلى الانسان عن ربه وفضائله والمبادئ القويمة بتدرج مذهل للاحداث .
لنحكي الملخص
تبدأ الرواية بوصف البطل فارنڤال.. رجلا غني ، متحرر ، ملحد .. وفيلسوف.
اتخذ من التحرر غطاء لارتكاب كل الفضائع .. وتبرير انحلاله وسلوكياته المشينه . لكن تحت سمات الثقة والشخصية السفسطائية المغلفة بقناع من الدهاء واللعب على المشاعر واخفاء حقيقته عن الناس .
ثم يتزوج فارنفال من امرأة فاضله تقية .. وغنيه ليكمل صورته الاجتماعية دون ان يخلع قناع فساده في البداية وتكتشفها زوجته وعائلتها.
وعندما تلد زوجته فتاة جميلة اسماها اوجيني .. يفقد نفسه .. ويتملكه رغبة عقيمة في انتزاع الطفلة من حضن امها المتدينة واحصار المربيات ومعلمات اختارهن بعناية ليكن اول من ينقلن البها العلوم بكافه صورها .. ماعدا الدين والفضيلة.. التي لايؤمن بها ..
حرم طفلته من كل ماجبل عليه المجتمع من تهذيب وتربية وتدين .. وغدت الفلسفة والتحرر وافكار والدها هى ماتعرف وتتبع وتحفظ .. فارنفال ارادها ان تتبنى كل فلسفته ويصيغ عقلها بها .. ويجعلها فتاة مختلفة عن قريناتها.
وكلما كبرت الفتاة زادت تعلقه بها وهيامه ..وتملكة المرضي
هذا الاب يسقط .. يستولى عليه شيطانه وافكاره الفاحشة.. وهرطقاته الفلسفية.. ومجونه .. اراد اوجيني ..واتخذها معشوقه .. اخذ يبرر لها هذا الحب الاثيم الذي غزا قلبه عندما بلغت طفلته عمر الزهور بانهما خلقا للحب ولاضير من اي نوع للحب طالما مارسته برغبتهما !! .. قال لابنته ان المجتمع والدين هو الذي يخلق هذه الحواجز لا المنطق والحرية المطلقة للانسان .!!!
اخيرا .. عندما يرتكب الانسان مثل هذه الجريمة النكراء بحق طفلته وزوجته الورعة المخلصة .. لابد ان يلحقها جرائم وجرائم عده ايضا .. ا
لان الطبيعة الإلهية والانسانية والفطرة السليمة لابد ان تاخذ مجراها في النهاية ..
والعقاب ات.. لامحاله !!!!
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August 10, 2024
A weird transgressive novel. This novel has a weird thematic message that I took out of this book. This book critiques family and state and the church but in the same breathe the author uses a complex and perverse topic such as incest to highlight their is a church perversion. However, how can an author of this much controversy critique the church and their abuses and wrongs when the author is know for pushing the sexual boundaries in their novels to the point that their books are controversial even in the 21st century.
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February 11, 2026jechałam tramwajem, kiedy doszłam do najbardziej opisowego momentu tej historii, akurat jak go skończyłam był mój przystanek i musiałam wysiadać. pierwszą osobą jaka stała przed drzwiami była zakonnica... miałam wrażenie, że wie jak grzeszne rzeczy przed chwilą przeczytałam
ogólnie o wiele lepsza od tej, co wczoraj czytałam. tak samo ładnie napisana i bulwersująca. wiele tematów filozoficznych a pod powłoką znajdzie się też kilka uwag o bardziej psychologicznym charakterze
ogólnie o wiele lepsza od tej, co wczoraj czytałam. tak samo ładnie napisana i bulwersująca. wiele tematów filozoficznych a pod powłoką znajdzie się też kilka uwag o bardziej psychologicznym charakterze
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