This is Pleasure

by Mary Gaitskill

'Gets deep under your skin ... Gaitskill is uniquely attuned to the moment.' Sunday Times

'Gaitskill achieves a superb feat. She distils the suffering, anger, reactivity, danger and social recalibration of the #MeToo movement into an extremely potent, intelligent and nuanced account.' Sarah Hall, Guardian

'I don't know why I behaved the way I did, and I kept doing it; he kept doing it. And though I might once have easily brushed it away, suddenly I could not. Nor could I confront him. The conversation moved too quickly.'

This is Pleasure is an extraordinary work by one of the world's finest writers, and achieves more in 15,000 words than most full-length novels. Following the unravelling of the life of a male publisher undone by allegations of sexual impropriety and harassment, and the female friend who tries to understand, and explain, his actions, it looks unflinchingly at our present moment and rejects moral certainties to show us that there are many sides to every story.

Mary Gaitskill has spent her whole career mining the complexity of human relationships on both an individual and societal scale with wisdom and grace. Here her insights are more piercing and timely than ever.

Genres: Fiction, Short Stories, Contemporary, Feminism, Literary Fiction, Novella, Adult

96 pages, Paperback

First published November 5, 2019

About the author

Mary Gaitskill is an American author of essays, short stories and novels. Her work has appeared in The New Yorker, Harper's Magazine, Esquire, The Best American Short Stories (1993 and 2006), and The O. Henry Prize Stories (1998). She married writer Peter Trachtenberg in 2001. As of 2005, she lived in New York City; Gaitskill has previously lived in Toronto, San Francisco, and Marin County, CA, as well as attending the University of Michigan where she earned her B.A. and won a Hopwood Award. Gaitskill has recounted (in her essay "Revelation") becoming a born-again Christian at age 21 but lapsing after six months.

Reviews

[Candi · Rating 3 out of 5]

“As if I were a magician, she listened to me tell her about herself: what she was like, what she needed, what she needed to correct… Now she had returned my gift not to me but to an empty room. Now she was one of my accusers.”

I valued the idea of this little book more than I enjoyed actually reading it. Author Mary Gaitskill approaches the #MeToo movement in an interesting way. The voice alternates between that of the accused, a charismatic, influential man in the publishing industry (Quin) and his female friend, who also works in the industry and stands by him (Margot). We do not hear directly from his accusers.

I think Gaitskill succeeds in depicting the very real complexities of sexual harassment cases. In my opinion, she doesn’t attempt to sway the reader in a particular direction but to illustrate how these incidents come about, and why some persons tolerate certain behaviors and others do not. I personally thought the guy was a snake, but at the same time understood some of Margot’s views. She recognized his flaws and never denies his rotten conduct, while at the same time she can’t disclaim the value of his friendship. This was far more complicated for her than it was for me. She lived in the gray area; I’m looking at it from the outside where it is much easier to sketch in black and white. This is such a short book that it was difficult to really sink one’s teeth into it. Probably it is best used as fuel for further discussion on the topic. The writing is straightforward and matter-of-fact; no frills here. But that’s not really the point.

“It seems strange to me when I look back on it now. Because I don’t want to laugh. I feel pain. Real heart pain. Subtle. But real.”

[Woody Chichester · Rating 4 out of 5]

This was so complex for such a short story. I have read reviews saying Gaitskill was trying to show both sides of the story in a "#metoo" tale. Maybe she was, but that's not what I got at all. I think she's showing a creep as a creep- fully fleshed out, And a friend of the creep who is trying to reason out with the reader and herself why she is friends with the creep. Why she just doesn't write him off. Why does she put up with his microagressions and inappropriate behavior? Why do some women tolerate it while others do not? Complex! Quick, well written read.

[Trin · Rating 1 out of 5]

This is trying so hard to be provocative, to be like, "There's two sides to the Me Too debate though, isn't there?" Not really, man. If you accept the argument that "women can just say no" (as if, in real life--and unlike in this book--there aren't consequences for that) then it should follow that you can accept the idea that MEN CAN JUST NOT DO THAT SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[Meike · Rating 3 out of 5]

Well, this short story doesn't quite deliver what it promises, and its biggest flaw is probably the non-existent character development, but it's important to hear stories that question female agency in the context of #metoo - it's not about victim blaming, but about taking a closer look at the dynamics involved (are you still following the Johnny Depp drama, e.g.?). Gaitskill's story is provocatively told from the perspectives of Quin, a powerful book editor in New York who has been sacked for harassing women, and his friend Margot, also a successful editor, who tries to frame his behavior in a favorable context, although she does feel anger towards him (please note that Quin's middle name is "M." (Maximillian), and all chapters by Margot have "M." as a headline - go figure).

Quin does not rape women or progress to touch them if they tell him to stop, and, as far as we know, he hasn't slept with the women in question either. Rather, he is a narcissist who enjoys manipulating women, getting them to share their secrets and making them ask him for advice - and often, he crosses the line, verbally and physically, by asking sex-related questions in a workplace environment or touching women inappropriately. Still, as he is influential and perceived as free-spirited and amusing, Quin gets away with it. It's only when the first woman speaks out that many of those who have tolerated his behavior and/or profited from it before start turning against him.

So there we have all kinds of questions: Why wasn't Quin stopped sooner, particularly by his friends? What role did the women play who took advantage, and then complained when it suited them? How can an online petition lead to the downfall of a person before the allegations are proven? All very uncomfortable questions, especially as there are still many powerful men who use their power as a weapon against women.

But the fact that some people dismiss this story as damaging to the #metoo-movement simply because it states that stories of harassment aren't always clear-cut shows that there's still a need to discuss the factor of nuance. Has Quin behaved inappropriately? He clearly did. The question is what it means to whom, and what the consequences should be. This is not a particularly well-crafted story, but the topics it discusses are important ones.

You can learn more about the book in our latest podcast episode (in German).

[Eric Anderson · Rating 5 out of 5]

Over the past few years it’s been inspiring seeing how the momentum of the Me Too movement has raised people’s awareness about sexual harassment and sexual assault as well as instigate a lot of discussion about what’s acceptable behaviour (especially in circumstances where power and influence are at play.) So it’s really interesting how Mary Gaitskill has written a novella about the blurry lines between friendship, flirtation and inappropriate conduct. “This is Pleasure” has a dual narrative that gives equal balance to the voices of long term friends Quin and Margot. Allegations of sexually harassment are made against Quin from former friends and colleagues at the publisher he works for and soon more and more women come forward to testify against him. Margot feels compelled to defend her friend, but finds herself questioning whether his habits and behaviour do indeed cross a line. It’s striking how Quin isn’t a stereotypical predator. He’s charming and sensitive, inspiring many women to befriend and confide in him. And sometimes there are cringe-worthy sexual overtones to his conversation which leads to fondling. He’s an entirely believable and recognizable character – as well as Margot who is quick to justify these types of actions with the explanation “It’s just the way he is.”

Read my full review of This is Pleasure by Mary Gaitskill on LonesomeReader

[Lorri Steinbacher · Rating 4 out of 5]

This would be perfect for a book discussion group because it is perfectly, perfectly ambiguous. You know what you want to think and once you start reading you can't decide if you should be mad or what you should be mad about.

Nuance. Something that a lot of writing and discourse is missing. You'll find it here.

[rachy · Rating 1 out of 5]

Whew. I had no idea what to expect from ‘This is Pleasure’. I’ve never read anything from Gaitskill and quite honestly had no idea what the novella was about when I picked it up. Honestly, I was kind of blind sided by ‘This is Pleasure’. I realised pretty quickly that the entire thing was attempting to be a commentary on the modern #MeToo movement. It tells the story of Quin, who has been accused by several women within the publishing industry of some kind of sexual harrasment/assault of which we are not fully privy to. The novel revolves around the friendship between Quin and Margot, an old friend who doesn’t see too much of an issue with Quin’s behaviour, which I found came across as some attempt to use one positive female perspective on a situation to drown out so many negative ones.

For such a small novella there were so many parts of this I had major issues with. Really, all of it. Gaitskill not only seems to shame other women for their experiences with how much she’s leaned into the angle she chooses to take on this sensitive issue, she also throws absolutely all of her female characters under the bus at every opportunity. Not a single one of these women are believable characters with complex personalities and nuanced motives for the things they do. Each one of these ‘characters’ is reduced to being the absolute worst caricature of some genre of hysterical woman. Some are happy to be flattered until suddenly they aren’t, some are too stupid to realise what’s at stake and there is not one woman in the entire 84 pages doesn't simply feel like a means to try and prove some point rather than an actual, fully fleshed out character.

Literally every single female character in this is absolutely terrible, and each in a distinct way. Firstly, we have Margot. The entire crux of the novella is the complex relationship between Margot and Quin, which feels like it's constructed to somehow explain or justify a lot of his behaviour. Gaitskill goes out of her way to emphasise their relationship and how Quin has always been inappropriate, as if one woman being okay with indulging this man makes it more acceptable. She is shown as being strong enough to draw clear boundaries with him, which again comes across as some strange attempt to show that because she was able to, every other woman in every other position should be able to do so too. Also, as writing her as someone who has been party to plenty of Quin’s inappropriate behaviour over several years, Gaitskill also paints Margot as completely stupid. If you know someone to be capable of questionable behaviour, you’ve literally seen it happen, and then a slew of women come out and accuse him of similar behaviour, why would your initial response be to disbelieve them? I felt so sorry for Margot, trapped in her own internalised misogyny throughout this novel, she seems to imagine every one of these women’s relationships with Quin are exactly the same as hers so is literally incapable of sympathising with anyone. Margot also has no problem judging Quin and Caitlin’s (one of his accusers) relationship and clearly deciding Quin is in the right, but later in the novel it comes out that she’s never even met Caitlin. She has never met this woman, but apparently has no problem making completely authoritative statements about this woman’s thoughts and feelings, and about her relationship with other people.

It’s not only the main female character that suffers from this, it’s literally all of them no matter how minor. Though Margot and Quin’s relationship is the core of the novella and the main vehicle for the story, she also uses each minor character to make the claims more ridiculous each time one is introduced. The one character that Quin definitively crosses the line with when he rubs her nipple in public, is written as not accusing him of anything and actually feeling sorry for him. This is utterly criminal. It’s cruel and pathetic to write such a flimsy female character who throws herself and her own dignity under the bus in order to throw the other female characters under the bus. By making the one person, who from the evidence presented in the novel, should definitively be accusing this man of wrongdoing not do so, she turns the entire novel into a farce. What kind of an argument is, well he touched my nipple but I’m fine with it so I don’t support the other women who weren’t fine with it? The whole thing is utterly juvenile. We also have the author Margot sees at a party after the accusations who apparently is smart enough to write some great novels and be published but is too stupid to read a full list of abusers and make an informed decision. She signs the petition, jumps on the bandwagon, and only realises later Quin is attached to it and feels ashamed. In a cowardly fashion, Gaitskill makes her barely able to admit her mistake even to Margot, and has her pathetically ask Margot to secretly pass on her well wishes to Quin. What a stupid and spineless character. Again, just the worst stereotype of a mindless woman, unable to think for herself and make informed decisions. Gaitskill also completely undermines herself and her own efforts in doing this to every single female character in a total own goal. I’m not sure how in her world these women are supposed to be both simultaneously so completely stupid and yet also should be admonished for not being able to make a critical choice correctly. You can’t have it both ways.

But above all, the thing that aggravated me most about ��This is Pleasure’ is that this novel had a chance to actually contribute something to this conversation and instead feels so completely diminutive of it. There is absolutely something to be said for questioning the internet mob justice of the #MeToo movement. These are conversations that absolutely should be had and writing a novel that explores these in a carefully considered, nuanced way could really contribute to such an important global conversation. Instead this is a book that only serves to make all women look utterly ridiculous. There is nothing subtle or clever about Gaitskill’s take on this and it definitely felt like a selfish portrayal. 'This Is Pleasure' makes a mockery the Me Too movement and even women in general, turning them into little more than caricatures.

Addendum: I just wanted to add this little note at the end of this review after certain attention it has received. I've been told multiple times since about Gaitskill's particular style as some sort of defense of this novella. I appreciate that people with more knowledge of her work likely have more insight, but I do believe that novels should always be able to stand on their own. If your writing requires context to be successful, it is not successful. I also struggle to see how this actually works as a defense, and I don't see how telling a completely straight portrayal of all the naysaying around the me too movement does anything at all but embolden those who seek to tear it down and clearly, I'm not the only one who felt that way upon reading it. If so many people are simply 'misinterpreting' Gaitskill's point with 'This Is Pleasure', then it may just be that this particular story (at least) was simply not executed successfully.

[el · Rating 3 out of 5]

presents itself as more complex than it truly is and i don’t think there’s anything particularly subversive or transgressive about inhabiting the headspace of an abuser and/or one of his defenders. it’s a narrative that i can find in mere seconds in almost any direction of reality that i look; it exists everywhere, because these narratives have historically oriented themselves in this one way.

something i would have found far more fascinating is the amorphous space where these accusers have to reconcile desire (whatever that might mean to them) with social/cultural/political compulsion. what does it mean to confront power in miniature (small, lonely, micro interactions with men who don’t realize their own power)? what does it mean to revile these men? to revere them? to feel both and neither? to be torn between what one woman feels is complicity/inaction vs action? imo this was not as revolutionary as it pretends to be.

also why does this author write about asian people that way……….no idea whether it’s meant to contribute to the narrator’s “unlikability” or is just random set dressing

[Sarah · Rating 1 out of 5]

Nope.

[leah · Rating 4 out of 5]

a very interesting and nuanced take on the #metoo movement, focusing in on how complex and difficult it can be for the women in the lives of the men who are accused of sexual harassment/assault. i think this could spark a lot of conversations around acceptable behaviour, the blurry lines between what is and isn’t appropriate in a friendship, and the costs of women turning a blind eye to some of the misconduct of their male friends/coworkers/family members. i also wonder if this story inspired ‘the morning show’ on apple tv, or vice versa, because they both remind me a lot of each other in terms of what they explore of #metoo.

[Diana · Rating 4 out of 5]

Mary Gaitskill wanted to explore the ambiguities of #MeToo, so she did it in this short story narrated by a flirtatious, charming, creepy man in the publishing industry and by his friend, a woman, who maybe kind of enabled his creepiness. It's good. It shows the humanity of people who are on the wrong side of this issue without exonerating them.

[Sian · Rating 5 out of 5]

This is an uncomfortable read.
I read this as it was the characters thoughts rather than the writers thoughts - so while the character is pretty much defending a creepy guy who has sexually harrassed and abused young women it doesn't mean Mary Gaitskill feels the same (I hope). But I loved that sense of unease and it's unnerving qualities. I mean there's great writing here too of course.

[JimZ · Rating 3 out of 5]

I had a hard time reading this story and rating it – it strained credulity. There are a number of characters in the story, the main ones being 1) Quin, book editor in NYC, a man who seems to say (and sometimes does) the most raunchy sexually provocative things to females he knows (and some are colleagues…..some are subservient to him in their jobs) and 2) Margot, an editorial assistant who works elsewhere but is his friend. Margot acknowledges that Quin says and does some raunchy things to women but has a decent heart (he has been kind to her). But I mean….here is an encounter between them…they have not seen each other in a while:

"Back in New York, we met at a restaurant that had once been a meeting place for the artistic élite but was now frequented primarily by tourists and businesspeople. We were seated at a deep banquette; Quin told the waiter that he wanted to sit on the same side as me, so that we could talk more easily, and then he was there, with his place setting. I’m sure he didn’t say this right away, but in my memory he did: “Your voice is so much stronger now! You are so much stronger now! You speak straight from the ****(JimZ: I can’t use the word here…regarding female anatomy….call me a prude I guess)!” And—as if it were the most natural thing in the world—he reached between my legs. “NO!” I said, and shoved my hand in his face, palm out, like a traffic cop. I knew it would stop him. Even a horse will usually obey a hand held in its face like that, and it outweighs a human by nearly a thousand pounds. Looking mildly astonished, Quin sat back and said, “I like the strength and clarity of your ‘no.’ ” “Good,” I replied."

It is a totally non-believable story (at least to me) except the part where finally a lawsuit is brought against Quin by a ton of women he has sexually harassed and he loses his job. Quin is married and he does not try to sleep with the women he harasses…he thinks they like it or need it, or that it will help them make them feel better about themselves.

In the inner front dust jacket the following things are written about the story:
• Starting with “Bad Behavior” in the 1980s, Mary Gaitskill has been writing about gender relations with searing, even prophetic honesty. In “This is Pleasure”, she considers our present moment through the lens of a particular #MeToo incident.
• Alternating Quin’s and Margot’s voices and perspectives, Gaitskill creates a nuanced tragicomedy, one that reveals her characters as whole persons – hurtful and hurting, infuriating and touching, and always deeply recognizable.
• Gaitskill has said that fiction is the only way that she could approach this subject because it is too emotionally faceted to treat in the more rational essay form. Her compliment to the characters – and to her readers – is that they are unvarnished and real.
• Her belief in our ability to understand them, even when we don’t always admire them, is a gesture of humanity from one of our greatest contemporary writers.

Final thought: In The New Yorker in the online version Mary Gaitskill was interviewed about the story and it was a very frank and honest interview throughout…after reading it I can see her point of view for why she wrote the story the way she did. I think since this story appears to be available online as far as I know (google the title and “The New Yorker”, it was published in the July 8, 2019 issue), I’d invite you to read it and perhaps read her interview too (https://www.newyorker.com/books/this-...). I changed my rating from “it was OK” to “I like it” after reading her interview. You know what’s unfortunate? That in the book they did not publish the interview with Mary Gaitskill along with the story. That really was revealing and put the story in context.

[Rebecca · Rating 3 out of 5]

Originally published as a short story in the New Yorker, this is a familiar reflection on white male privilege and the exploitation of women. What’s somewhat unique is the way Gaitskill alternates between the perspectives of Margot, a longtime friend, and Quin, the publishing house editor who’s been accused of sexual harassment by multiple former female employees. “I flirted. That’s all it was. I did it to feel alive without being unfaithful,” Quin says. You do – at least, I did – come to feel sorry for him, if only because he’s a witty and charismatic Brit who reminded me of Oliver in Julian Barnes’s Talking It Over and Love, Etc. Yes, he acted inappropriately; there’s no doubt about that. In the early days of their friendship, Margot had to resist his advances, so she knows firsthand what he’s like. “But did he deserve to lose his job, his right to work, his honor as a human? Did he have to be so completely and utterly crushed?” she wonders. Quin’s theory is that no one can get at Trump, the epitome of this kind of misogynistic behavior, so they’ve gone after the little guys instead. There’s no disputing this story’s timeliness, but I’m not sure it adds much to the conversation.

[persephone ☾ · Rating 4 out of 5]

I just love having nuanced conversations about feminism and the #metoo mouvement, without it being blatantly misogynistic :|

I might not agree with all the points made but i loved the execution and all the questions and problems that derive from the points made by the author !

[Sabrine · Rating 1 out of 5]

Nop. Not possible to write something "nuanced" about inappropriate male behaviour in the work place. Even if very well written. This won't work for me.

[Jessie Pietens · Rating 3 out of 5]

To me, It was unbelievably hard to rate this book. It was very painful and confusing to read, to the point that I actually threw it across the room. I think I've never felt so genuinely angry while reading a book. Gaitskill really prompted me to think about things and although I don't think I agree especially with any of the characters in the book, this was what made it so powerful. This is Pleasure really does pack a punch and makes you think. It explores the grey areas in the MeToo debate. I would not want anybody to get the idea that I gave this book 4-stars because I feel bad for the main characters or because I feel their stance in the matter is one I agree with. I think Quin is a very flawed character and I would not want to be friends with him regardless of the accusations. I don't agree with Margot's stance in the situation, but understand why she would take it in her situation. This book left me feeling sympathetic and unsympathetic all at once. It left me feeling as though it's not always as black and white as we make it out to be, while at the same time it is.

I wasn't sure how to rate this book and so I just went with what felt right. It really spoke to me and tackled me with emotions and so it felt wrong to rate it 1-star simply because it made me angry and overwhelmed. Sometimes you need books that take you out of your comfort zone to keep on top of things and to further develop your own opinion and stances on certain matters. Reading the interview with Gaitskill about this book in The New Yorker really helped me to gather my thoughts on the book and helped me determine why it actually deserved a higher rating because it had made me so angry. I encourage everybody to read this novella and see how it makes you feel and what it makes you think. Moreover, I encourage everybody to read the interview with Gaitskill and see how and if it influences your take on this undeniably powerful story (even if you don't agree to anything that happens in it). https://www.newyorker.com/books/this-...

[Vanya · Rating 3 out of 5]

Mary Gaitskill’s This is Pleasure is a short story that first appeared in The New Yorker. The story is an attempt to investigate the finer nuances of the #MeToo movement, which the author believes has been painted with a broad brush of generalizations. Subsequently, the story was published in book format considering its relevance and timeliness.

The story, which has quite an unsettling title, brings to fore the perspectives of Quin and Margot, two renowned book editors in the publishing industry. Quin has been accused of sexual misconduct both at the workplace and outside of it by many of his employees and former “friends”. Margot, an old friend and confidant of Quin, is angry at him but also surprised to a degree at the allegations. Some of Quin’s accusers have also benefited from his patronage in the past and this is the nub of her unease.

Gaitskill’s craftiness is evident in how she renders complexity to a debate that has been lopsided in its unfolding. It’s not that Quin has been depicted as blameless, far from it actually. But the crux of ambiguity lies in the relationship between him and the women who have accused him. There are instances where both parties have participated in joking and flirting. It is only later, much later, that the women have felt deeply uncomfortable over what has passed. Sometimes the realization has come after years of association with Quin. In the intervening years Quin and these women have shared meals and stories, and remained friends.

It’s a story which defies summarization and any attempts otherwise assail the very purpose of the author, whose idea was to evince the easily overlooked complexities of such stories. Gaitskill doesn’t declare the perpetrators guiltless or the victims’ accounts doubtful. Instead, her intention is to insist on nuance and subtleties in our stories as is the case in the real world.

In just a few pages, Gaitskill offers the reader plenty of introspective and interpretive space and that is truly a remarkable feat.

[Lauren · Rating 5 out of 5]

Real grey, complicated feelings about this one. I didn’t read it as an exoneration of awful men, but rather an examination of an element of the #metoo moment and what is now a reality for men who were, for too long, free to not think about the boundaries established by power dynamics and how that exists in tandem with the effects (psychological over time and/or directly) of their actions. I didn’t agree with a lot of it, but I found it interesting that Gaitskill explores what it’s like to sympathize with men caught unaware of the greater impact of their behavior. And this is a very generous way to describe that behavior. We all lived with it for too long. And there are some who feel that society’s current corrective stance is too punitive. We’re in a deeply transitional time for language, empathy, respect, boundaries, and work. Sex, too, but let’s face it, this behavior has always been, at the heart of it, about power.

[Mohana · Rating 5 out of 5]

Absolutely amazing, I thoroughly enjoyed the cynicism and ambiguity that this story played with. Would definitely recommend for anyone who's looking for a quick but 'layered' read.

[Fay · Rating 4 out of 5]

I wish I read this with someone else, so I can talk about it and share my thoughts.. it was a quick read but it held an important topic and raised many questions for me..

[Sarah · Rating 1 out of 5]

Very good writing but a terrible message - there is absolutely no ambiguity in this book whatsoever, it is merely an account of a morally corrupt man being made to account for his actions. I can’t imagine why any reader would feel sympathetic towards this character and his endless stream of vile behaviour.

[Patricija || book.duo · Rating 5 out of 5]

„Then there‘s the women trying to defend these creeps. The ones who say, „Thats just what men are like.“ Them I feel sorry for. Because I can‘t imagine what their lives have been like.“

5/5

Istorija iš vyro, apkaltinto seksualiniu priekabiavimu ir jo draugės (ne romantinės, platoniškos, net šiek tiek jį pašiepiančios, kai kalbasi su savo sutuoktiniu) perspektyvos. Trumpa, bet nepaprastai paveiki. Kokia ta kita pusė, apie kurią vis girdime, kai pasigirsta kaltinimai prievartavimu ar seksualiniu priekabiavimu? Ar tikrai ją verta išklausyti? Ką jie pasakytų, jei prabiltų? O kas, jei kaip kad „This is pleasure“, kalbantysis ir intelektualus, ir charizmatiškas, ir žavus, ir britas, ir... Ar bijom užuojautos, kurią galim pajausti? Ar bijom pasiteisinimų, kuriuos norisi pradėti kurti? Bepigu pasmerkti, kai metalistas, kai skandalistas, kai atmata. O jei pasipuošęs madingu kostiumu, dirbantys leidyboje, keliantis žavingus intelektualų vakarėlius ir dar kiekvienam (o ypač kiekvienai) randantis ypatingą, tik tau vienam skiriamą žodį, dėmesį, patarimą? Kas, jei nepaisant visų jo kalčių, to patarimo vis norisi pas jį sugrįžti?

Viskas šiame apsakyme slypi detalėse, smulkmenose. Rodos, toks trumpas tekstas, tačiau aplanko ir pasišlykštėjimas, ir žybteli užuojauta, net jei stengiesi save prigauti greičiau, nei spėtum pajausti. Autorė apžvelgia ir aplinką – kaip kaltinimai paliečia žmoną? Mažametę, žavingą, nuostabią dukrelę? Ar pats kaltinamasis supranta? Ar suvokia? Ar pasikeis, net jei bus ištremtas į intelektualų paraštes? Ar tik tiki, kad pasikeitė pasaulis, todėl nebesupranta ribų, kurios buvo perbraižytos jaunesnių nei jis? Ir jei moteris pajuokauja, pasilenkia, sijonėlis užpakalį aptempia, ar per jį vis tiek gali pliaukštelėti? O ir kokia tokio pliaukštelėjimo senatis?

[Julia · Rating 1 out of 5]

I read this short story thinking that I was going to read a nuanced perspective on sexual harrasment, and that was what I thought I got until the last few sections.
It is clear to me (especially when you also read the authors interview about the story) that the author intended to show how complex and subtle these issues can be, which I agree with. What I don't agree with is the authors feelings about the perpetrator in the story, which were quite clear in the story itself but were explicit in the interview. She said: "I don’t see this character as innocent or completely harmless. But, really, who is? Quin is flawed, but he’s essentially a good man who is being punished beyond the scope of his “sins”" (...) "I feel that masculinity is being demonized and that sex is being demonized, that physical touch is viewed with inordinate suspicion. That seems dangerous to me, in a different way." These to me are all extremely problematic statements. She also points out how it's only the young women who accuse him and says that it is because actions that would at most be "irritating" for the older generation are "abuse" for the younger, dismissing their fellings and those of older women who have also experienced abuse as such.
Overall, this was very unfortunatelly a commentary in support of men who harrass women. Much of the point was that this was not a black and white situation, but it doesn't have to be. A person can be nice, friendly and have a family and at the same time be creepy and innapropriate and harrass other people. It is not one or the other.
I honestly thought the point would be that a man can be well loved and regarded and still be a sexual harrasser that needs to stop and face the consequences of his actions. The first half of this story felt like it was going in that direction, and I very much appreciated how the author explained Quin's awful behavior, how he played with women's feelings, and how he treated them like objects he could use and discard. Realizing that the author's intent was to imply that this behaviour was not that bad was honestly painful.
This was a huge dissapointment.

[Emmkay · Rating 3 out of 5]

Alternating chapters between Quin, an influential book editor now shunned due to a sexual harassment scandal, and Margot, a loyal female friend, this very short novel seeks to highlight the grey areas and complexities of the #metoo era. It was a little flat for me at times in the telling, but very good as a think piece.

Years ago, Margot headed off a crotch grab by Quin with a firm ‘no’ and no ill effects, and she’s frustrated by the younger women he surrounded himself with who seemed to buy into the sexualized atmosphere and benefit from his patronage, but who now are coming forward to complain. Yet she’s silently angry too, about a terrible, quintessentially male-narcissist response he gave to a childhood trauma she experienced. Quin’s wife is sticking by him but disgusted and embarrassed by him, all the more so because of the lack of dignity in his particular predilections (“You’re not even a predator…Not even. You’re a fool. A pinching, creeping, insinuating fool.”).

I found especially interesting the reflections on how we shape and re-shape our stories of our own experiences, and how these fleeting, complex narratives are flattened by the legal system, popular lore, re-telling and hindsight, etc. 3.5.

[Carolt_reads · Rating 2 out of 5]

I read this book for my “Reading like uncarley” video and it was so much fun! Here’s the link if you want to check it out!
https://youtu.be/hsv3vt8efaE

[Anna Maria · Rating 4 out of 5]

Can I just say that Quin deserved worse?!

[Monika · Rating 4 out of 5]

Before books came to my life, I have always held a black and white concept about everything in and around my life. It was literature which paved way for a more inclusive and complex standpoint. When Vanya reviewed "This Is Pleasure" by Mary Gaitskill, I knew I had to read this short story (or a novella, maybe?). I knew I had to read this most certainly because of how it complicated my sentiments pertaining to women's safety (or the lack of it) in work environment.

"This Is Pleasure" by Mary Gaitskill is about the other, unthought side of Me Too movement. It is told through the perspectives of Margot and Quin, who are both editors in publishing firms. Quin is accused under the Me Too movement and his friend, Margot, is uneasy about this accusation. Quin's flirtations with women and their immediate responses to those flirtations problematize our disgust towards the 'sexual predators of the world'. Margot, on the other hand, raises a very important question — why could those women have not stopped Quin when they were not liking his behaviour as Margot had done?

As a woman (I am not going to explain more than that), I realise the fact of being frozen during circumstances which necessitate our immediate action. But while thinking about guilelessness of women in such situations, Gaitskill also exponents vocal alertness through her portrayal of Quin and therefore, complicates the whole notion of the movement. I think this short story is an important read in our present times as it presents the nuances of such a sensitive topic. The finer detail and questions this story brings forward is evident from the title itself. Is it the pleasure of all men accused in the movement or is it the pleasure of women who, in a world that is blatantly patriarchal, finally direct or hold the reins of power? Or is it the pleasure of media that is going to profit through this whole furore? Although very short, this story certainly poses a lot of indignant questions.

PS. If you want to read this story, it is available online at The New Yorker .

[Leo Robertson · Rating 2 out of 5]

Could there be a sex offender worth befriending and a person who is please for doing so, full well knowing of his crimes?

Well yeah if you just invent them both for no real apparent reason other than being lamely confrontational.

And if you’re a Gen X writer who may have mistakenly internalised misogyny and rape culture and equally mistakenly prided themselves on an ability to rise above same.

Which makes me wonder—not because I attribute the beliefs of the characters to the writer, always a mistake, but on account of the mere motivation of writing something like this at all—is this an apology or confession of sorts for something?

[Ylenia · Rating 4 out of 5]

I really liked how the author tackled & explored the main themes, presenting us with flawed characters instead of mere puppets.
The task of presenting a story that was related with the #metoo movement, while also making the male character speaks for himself, was not easy at all. The dual narration was really interesting - there were a lot of moments where I could understand both sides of the problem & I think that tells a lot about Gaitskill's abilities to tell a story.

My first Gaitskill & definitely not the last.


Review copy sent by Knopf Publishing.