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Then and Now
Maugham found a parallel to the turmoil of our own times in the duplicity, intrigue and sensuality of the Italian Renaissance. Then and Now enters the world of Machiavelli, and covers three important months in the career of that crafty politician, worldly seducer and high priest of schemers.
278 pages, Hardcover
First published January 1, 1946
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W. Somerset Maugham
2,131 books6,003 followersWilliam Somerset Maugham was born in Paris in 1874. He spoke French even before he spoke a word of English, a fact to which some critics attribute the purity of his style.
His parents died early and, after an unhappy boyhood, which he recorded poignantly in Of Human Bondage, Maugham became a qualified physician. But writing was his true vocation. For ten years before his first success, he almost literally starved while pouring out novels and plays.
Maugham wrote at a time when experimental modernist literature such as that of William Faulkner, Thomas Mann, James Joyce and Virginia Woolf was gaining increasing popularity and winning critical acclaim. In this context, his plain prose style was criticized as 'such a tissue of clichés' that one's wonder is finally aroused at the writer's ability to assemble so many and at his unfailing inability to put anything in an individual way.
During World War I, Maugham worked for the British Secret Service . He travelled all over the world, and made many visits to America. After World War II, Maugham made his home in south of France and continued to move between England and Nice till his death in 1965.
At the time of Maugham's birth, French law was such that all foreign boys born in France became liable for conscription. Thus, Maugham was born within the Embassy, legally recognized as UK territory.
His parents died early and, after an unhappy boyhood, which he recorded poignantly in Of Human Bondage, Maugham became a qualified physician. But writing was his true vocation. For ten years before his first success, he almost literally starved while pouring out novels and plays.
Maugham wrote at a time when experimental modernist literature such as that of William Faulkner, Thomas Mann, James Joyce and Virginia Woolf was gaining increasing popularity and winning critical acclaim. In this context, his plain prose style was criticized as 'such a tissue of clichés' that one's wonder is finally aroused at the writer's ability to assemble so many and at his unfailing inability to put anything in an individual way.
During World War I, Maugham worked for the British Secret Service . He travelled all over the world, and made many visits to America. After World War II, Maugham made his home in south of France and continued to move between England and Nice till his death in 1965.
At the time of Maugham's birth, French law was such that all foreign boys born in France became liable for conscription. Thus, Maugham was born within the Embassy, legally recognized as UK territory.
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December 5, 2020
Amazing historical fiction. Utterly amazing author and prose!
Then and Now by W. Somerset Maugham follows four months of the year 1502 in the life of Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)--Florentine author, playwright, philosopher, politician and diplomat. It is about the man Machiavelli and how he came to write the play La Mandragola / The Mandrake and the treatise Il Principe / The Prince. The former is a five-act satirical play about Callimaco who passionately desires Lucrezia, the young and beautiful wife of Nicia who desires above all else an heir. Could it be he that is barren? The latter is a political treatise inspired by the nobleman, politician and all powerful Duke of Valentinois--Cesare Borgia (1475- 1507). One compares what Maugham writes with what Machiavelli has written with what actually happened.
Are you curious about Machiavelli, famed for the credo that “the ends justify the means”? Do you want to get into his head, see how he may have thought and what he may have said? Yes? Then read this book. You will not be disappointed. You might think it pointless to get into the head of a 16th century politician. You might think it would be boring. It is not. He was astute, a careful observer of the world around him. Much is still valid today. Mugham has captured his eloquence magnificently. The book is filled with innumerable lines worth quoting, lines that speak aptly of human behavior. Here follows just one:
“Truth is the most dangerous weapon a man can wield, and so we must wield it with caution.”
The book has humor, particularly in what the women say and do. Machiavelli says, ”Women are capricious and uncertain,” but just look at how clever they are here.
There is suspense and excitement. You will find yourself holding your breath. I was. At one point we are held back, waiting, waiting, waiting. I could not be held back another second longer; I was jumping out of my seat.
The book has interesting historical content. We observe the warring Italian city-states of the Renaissance. That Cesare Borgia was seeking to unite Italy back in the early 1500s is noteworthy considering hat three centuries had to pass before this came to be!
The audiobook I listened to was narrated by Andrew Wincott. I did not love the narration. The tone employed is often ingratiating, at times affected and overly dramatized. The tone does fit the text, but it is nerve-wracking to listen to. I had difficulty distinguishing the names of Italian people and places. They are spoken too quickly for a listener not fluent in Italian. With repetition, recognition becomes easier. Either I got used to the narration or it improves as you go along; I am not sure which. I have given the narration three stars.
The story is cleverly drawn, has interesting historical content, suspense, humor and eloquent prose that wonderfully befits Machiavelli. The author makes a person you most probably do not look upon with warmth fascinating.
My ratings of Maugham’s books:
Then and Now 5 stars
Mrs Craddock 4 stars
Cakes and Ale 4 stars
The Painted Veil 4 stars
Liza of Lambeth 3 stars
The Razor's Edge 3 stars
Christmas Holiday 3 stars
Theatre 2 stars
The Moon and Sixpence 2 stars
Of Human Bondage 2 stars
I am terribly impressed by Maugham’s ability to create widely varying stories, each executed in strikingly different ways, each unique and special. I will be reading every book I can get by this author.
Then and Now by W. Somerset Maugham follows four months of the year 1502 in the life of Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)--Florentine author, playwright, philosopher, politician and diplomat. It is about the man Machiavelli and how he came to write the play La Mandragola / The Mandrake and the treatise Il Principe / The Prince. The former is a five-act satirical play about Callimaco who passionately desires Lucrezia, the young and beautiful wife of Nicia who desires above all else an heir. Could it be he that is barren? The latter is a political treatise inspired by the nobleman, politician and all powerful Duke of Valentinois--Cesare Borgia (1475- 1507). One compares what Maugham writes with what Machiavelli has written with what actually happened.
Are you curious about Machiavelli, famed for the credo that “the ends justify the means”? Do you want to get into his head, see how he may have thought and what he may have said? Yes? Then read this book. You will not be disappointed. You might think it pointless to get into the head of a 16th century politician. You might think it would be boring. It is not. He was astute, a careful observer of the world around him. Much is still valid today. Mugham has captured his eloquence magnificently. The book is filled with innumerable lines worth quoting, lines that speak aptly of human behavior. Here follows just one:
“Truth is the most dangerous weapon a man can wield, and so we must wield it with caution.”
The book has humor, particularly in what the women say and do. Machiavelli says, ”Women are capricious and uncertain,” but just look at how clever they are here.
There is suspense and excitement. You will find yourself holding your breath. I was. At one point we are held back, waiting, waiting, waiting. I could not be held back another second longer; I was jumping out of my seat.
The book has interesting historical content. We observe the warring Italian city-states of the Renaissance. That Cesare Borgia was seeking to unite Italy back in the early 1500s is noteworthy considering hat three centuries had to pass before this came to be!
The audiobook I listened to was narrated by Andrew Wincott. I did not love the narration. The tone employed is often ingratiating, at times affected and overly dramatized. The tone does fit the text, but it is nerve-wracking to listen to. I had difficulty distinguishing the names of Italian people and places. They are spoken too quickly for a listener not fluent in Italian. With repetition, recognition becomes easier. Either I got used to the narration or it improves as you go along; I am not sure which. I have given the narration three stars.
The story is cleverly drawn, has interesting historical content, suspense, humor and eloquent prose that wonderfully befits Machiavelli. The author makes a person you most probably do not look upon with warmth fascinating.
My ratings of Maugham’s books:
Then and Now 5 stars
Mrs Craddock 4 stars
Cakes and Ale 4 stars
The Painted Veil 4 stars
Liza of Lambeth 3 stars
The Razor's Edge 3 stars
Christmas Holiday 3 stars
Theatre 2 stars
The Moon and Sixpence 2 stars
Of Human Bondage 2 stars
I am terribly impressed by Maugham’s ability to create widely varying stories, each executed in strikingly different ways, each unique and special. I will be reading every book I can get by this author.
February 26, 2024
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."
(The more things change, the more they stay the same.)
The epigraph above, and the title "Then and Now," suggest there may be political parallels between 1502 and 1946 when W. Somerset Maugham published the book. The story is about the three months when Niccolo Machiavelli worked as a Florentine diplomat negotiating with Cesare Borgia in Imola, Italy. Machiavelli later based his political book, "The Prince," on the crafty Borgia, the illegitimate son of Pope Alexander VI. Borgia was fighting to control territory when Italy was a collection of city states and shifting loyalties.
Maugham also includes some humorous episodes as Machiavelli manipulates people and makes elaborate plans in his quest to seduce the beautiful wife of his host where he is residing. Maugham took plot elements from Machiavelli's comic farce, "The Mandrake," and wove them into "Then and Now."
I would encourage readers to print out a map of the regions of Italy to get an idea of which areas are being fought over in 1502. In simple terms, France had influence in Naples, Milan, and some other northern provinces. Spain controlled some southern provinces in what is today's Italy. The Pope had influence in Rome and an alliance with the King of France. With the Pope's help, Cesare Borgia was trying to gain control of the city states in central Italy. He wanted an alliance with Machiavelli's Florence. Machiavelli and Borgia--both smart, devious men--were playing shrewd political games with each other.
I found both Borgia and Machiavelli to be fascinating men, although I would not trust either of them. Maugham has taken ideas from "The Prince" and "The Mandrake" to create his own interesting fictional work.
(The more things change, the more they stay the same.)
The epigraph above, and the title "Then and Now," suggest there may be political parallels between 1502 and 1946 when W. Somerset Maugham published the book. The story is about the three months when Niccolo Machiavelli worked as a Florentine diplomat negotiating with Cesare Borgia in Imola, Italy. Machiavelli later based his political book, "The Prince," on the crafty Borgia, the illegitimate son of Pope Alexander VI. Borgia was fighting to control territory when Italy was a collection of city states and shifting loyalties.
Maugham also includes some humorous episodes as Machiavelli manipulates people and makes elaborate plans in his quest to seduce the beautiful wife of his host where he is residing. Maugham took plot elements from Machiavelli's comic farce, "The Mandrake," and wove them into "Then and Now."
I would encourage readers to print out a map of the regions of Italy to get an idea of which areas are being fought over in 1502. In simple terms, France had influence in Naples, Milan, and some other northern provinces. Spain controlled some southern provinces in what is today's Italy. The Pope had influence in Rome and an alliance with the King of France. With the Pope's help, Cesare Borgia was trying to gain control of the city states in central Italy. He wanted an alliance with Machiavelli's Florence. Machiavelli and Borgia--both smart, devious men--were playing shrewd political games with each other.
I found both Borgia and Machiavelli to be fascinating men, although I would not trust either of them. Maugham has taken ideas from "The Prince" and "The Mandrake" to create his own interesting fictional work.
June 5, 2022
ماکیاولی در حین اجرای ماموریت در وضعیت بغرنج سیاسی نیمی از قوای خود را صرف اطلاع یافتن از حقیقت شرایط جهت کمک به دولت شهر خود،فلورانس،میکتد و نیمی دیگر را صرف یافتن راهی برای معاشقه با همسر جوان تاجری پیر..
هر چند رمان در دوران شگفت رنسانس ایتالیا رخ می دهد،تلاش موآم برای نشان دادن طبیعت تغییر ناپذیر آدمی در طی قرن ها هر چند تحسین برانگیز اما اندکی ملال آور ست..ماکیاولی که قرار است شخصیت کاریزماتیک و کملیونی داشته باشد..به سیاستمداری نرد عشق باز تنزل می یابد...چه هنگام بر ذهن ما تفکر،چه هنگام تعصب و چه هنگام تمایل حکم می رانند؟پرسشی ست که شاید هرگز پاسخش نتوانیم داد.
نثر موام با به کار بردن اصطلاحات جدید و کاملا انگلیسی به قصد امروزی نشان دادن داستان، ناگزیر همانند زمانی که در دل تاریکی شب در جنگلی چادر زده ایم و ناگهان پرایدی از جاده ای نزدیک عبور می کند..نور تکراری و بیحال چراغ هایش تمام جادوی "شبی در جنگل" مان را نابود می کند..
با این همه دیروز و امروز داستانی خواندنی ست..حکایت سودا و سرنوشت انسان ها..
هر چند رمان در دوران شگفت رنسانس ایتالیا رخ می دهد،تلاش موآم برای نشان دادن طبیعت تغییر ناپذیر آدمی در طی قرن ها هر چند تحسین برانگیز اما اندکی ملال آور ست..ماکیاولی که قرار است شخصیت کاریزماتیک و کملیونی داشته باشد..به سیاستمداری نرد عشق باز تنزل می یابد...چه هنگام بر ذهن ما تفکر،چه هنگام تعصب و چه هنگام تمایل حکم می رانند؟پرسشی ست که شاید هرگز پاسخش نتوانیم داد.
نثر موام با به کار بردن اصطلاحات جدید و کاملا انگلیسی به قصد امروزی نشان دادن داستان، ناگزیر همانند زمانی که در دل تاریکی شب در جنگلی چادر زده ایم و ناگهان پرایدی از جاده ای نزدیک عبور می کند..نور تکراری و بیحال چراغ هایش تمام جادوی "شبی در جنگل" مان را نابود می کند..
با این همه دیروز و امروز داستانی خواندنی ست..حکایت سودا و سرنوشت انسان ها..
October 9, 2022
A novel about Niccolò Machiavelli written by a prose master — what could go wrong?
Ha! I stuck it out with this novel, marvelling at Maugham's ability to write an awkwardly plotted, confusing, boring novel. I found the prose leaden and the characters only mildly interesting. The plot twists were easy to guess — certainly I was able to figure it out well before Machiavelli!
Don't know how much of the plot here was based on Machiavelli's life. Did he write a play called "A Street in Florence" based on his attempted seduction of a young married woman?
Ha! I stuck it out with this novel, marvelling at Maugham's ability to write an awkwardly plotted, confusing, boring novel. I found the prose leaden and the characters only mildly interesting. The plot twists were easy to guess — certainly I was able to figure it out well before Machiavelli!
Don't know how much of the plot here was based on Machiavelli's life. Did he write a play called "A Street in Florence" based on his attempted seduction of a young married woman?
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December 16, 2021
Ladies and gentlemen taking advantage of the fact that I have to have the computer on, because I have to receive a series of very important documents (rather my father) and I do not want to be idle. He took the opportunity to write a thesis that he had in the works with Don Steven Fisher, who kindly asked me to write a review of this book. Before carrying out this performance I must give some explanations to the few goodreads users who still support me, as my admired, and dear juan Manuel de Prada would say https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... in case they have wondered why there have been no more readings, and criticisms. Apart from " Silk "byAlessandro Baricco https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6... or "Kyokaku. The protectors of Edo" I suppose, who will have wondered why I am in low form, and why in a fortnight only two books have been read. Four have actually been read, because I have reread"White Orchid""Wild Orchid"(in English by Sigrid Undset), and"The Burning Bush" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6... https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... if anyone is interested in these books they can find them in the Cluny publishing house, where they have been published. Both books are worth reading, especially"The Burning Bush" however they have been very deep readings, very dense, and very long and have exhausted me, and I came from a month November in which it has also been read a lot, and this of course has been noticed I apologize. Now I am rereading"Querencio" (book I highly recommend) by the Spanish writer, and translator (in fact it is largely due to him that Robert Hugh Benson https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... has been translated into Spanish) Sergio Gómez Moyano https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... Apart from that, Don Sergio Gómez Moyano has written some very beautiful theological reflections, and beautiful. However, this work will already be discussed in December, which is when I will write the review of this book. I can also tell you with complete certainty what will be (God willing) the first criticism of the year 2022. It will be a balance of all my readings of 2021 assessing how the year has been, and indicating which books I would like to read for 2022 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5... A similar essay was already made in the review of the book"Crown of Angels" by Gertrud von Le Fort https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2... From 2021 I will be advancing in the challenge. I place my hopes in surpassing 208 books, and getting the second year with more books read. I consider it practically impossible to reach 230 books, which is my record.
That said, it is time to comment on the book in question, it indirectly has a point in common with the last review, which was written, which was that of "Hamnet" by Maggie O'Farrell (one of the most praised books of the year by almost everyone except me, which was an absolute disappointment) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4... . Both plays have one thing in common, and that is that in both they are counted as two writers William Shakespeare https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... and in this case Niccolò Machiavelli https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... (in my opinion one of the most harmful, and harmful men in the history of humanity surpassing the apostate, and heretic Martin Luther https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...) write two of their works, and the life adventures, which inspired them. In the case of the swan of Avon, or the Bard, as the master Joseph Pearce calls it https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... wrote in Hamnet one of the most emblematic works in the history of mankind "Hamlet" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... I do not deny the quality of the work deliver me the Lord from it, but I will disappoint many users of goodreads, if I tell you that it is not my favorite work of the Bard, although with the permission of Romeo and Juliet https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... be the most famous. While instead Niccolò Machiavelli, who is the main character of this novel by W. Somerset Maugham, which collects a year of the life of the great theorist, and Florentine statesman, specifically the year 1503. In my case the first thing that should surprise us is that W. Somerset in this metahistory, or metaliterature is not about how he wrote his most decisive work "The Prince" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2... where he broke with the medieval dynamic, and it is a full-fledged attack on scholasticism, based on the search for the common good, and what could please God, and where the King, or the Prince was his alter ego on this earth, however it is convenient to qualify this last phrase is not that the sovereign is God, but that he followed the example, and treated like the German mystic Thomas de Kempis to be another Christ on Earth https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... However, the greatest example of a Christic character is to a much greater extent present in a work even more famous than Machiavelli's "Prince", but whose meaning escapes the common reader. I am referring to Miguel de Cervantes' "Don Quixote" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... that is not just the story of a man who goes crazy reading novels of chivalry, a satire against novels of chivalry. It is that, but also the greatest example of imitation of Jesus Christ, and what it would be like if Christ came down to Earth again. As writers like Dostoyevsky already stated in "The Grand Inquisitor" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... or the Spanish writer Enrique Jardiel Poncela in "La Tournee de Dios" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... . It is enormously curious one thing, and that is that the two greatest writers of the sixteenth century Miguel de Cervantes, and William Shakespeare are anti-Magellanic. In the case of Shakespeare it is appreciated in all his works, especially in the most experienced disciple of Machiavelli, who is Iago the great villain of "Othello" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... It is a pity that the genius of these two men has not served to erase from the face of the earth the evil and perverse legacy of the literary works of the Florentine writer. However, if the user of Goodreads expected that in this novel by W. Somerset Maugham he would tell us, he led the Italian humanist to write his magnum opus. He will be disappointed, because W. Somerset Maugham chooses to tell, what was the historical episode, which led Niccolò Machiavelli to write a perfectly dispensable story, although it amuses many. In my opinion "La Mandragora" prefigures https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8... what will be the sectarianism of the so-called century of lights I would rather call the century of darkness blacker, and gloomy. Before we had some critics, and exceptional commentators, who give the key to this novel. Actually this novel set in the year 1503 tells two things a story that has dramelian overtones or comic-tragic that is to say a misadventure, or a ridicule in the love field of Machiavelli's Nicholas, which relates it to the "Decameron" of Giovanni Bocaccio https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... , or "the cheerful comadres of Windsor" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... that is to say a love failure on the part of the seasoned, and great connoisseur of the world, and of the human soul Nicholas of Machiavelli, but the most interesting thing about this book, although it is the main plot is not the love failure, which leads him to write "La Mandragora" but the relationship with a more controversial characters in history, and that was the model, which the Florentine author used to write "The Prince" I am referring to the relationship of Niccolò Machiavelli sent by the Republic of Florence, as extraordinary ambassador, to negotiate with César Borgia, that although people do not believe it, because he tends to create, that the model of his Prince is our Ferdinand the Catholic (rather this would be the model of another writer Baltasar de Gracián https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... the famous author of the Criticón, and https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7... one of the promoters of what in Spain was called Tacitism an Iberian version of Machiavellianism in Spain). In fact if we realize, and this is explained very well by W. Somerset Maugham Machiavelli, although he lives in a Christian era, and does not dare to break totally with the spirit of his time. It is of all the men of the Renaissance the most ungodly, because it is the one that goes further than its contemporaries, it is no longer that it does like other humanists, who attack the papacy, and the Church, and who are fascinated by hellenic-Roman paganism is that we are facing a pagan writer, who Christian only has the name. As I read this novel Machiavelli reminded me of his curse (which Maugham does not hide at any time) and his tendency to gossip, and to tell spicy and green stories it reminded me of Aretino https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4... . https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... Another Italian humanist, known for being a slanderer, dirty-tongued, and even dirtier-minded, who in the end ended up degenerating into a blackmailer, whom even crowned temples were afraid of. However, unlike Aretino it is seen in this novel, which, although machiavelli shares many traits with this repulsive character Machiavelli beats him, because he has a reputation for being a great connoisseur of the human soul, and of political affairs. In this novel it is seen how Machiavelli chooses to be the teacher, or the guide of a boy who is entrusted to him in his mission by a friend of his Biaggio Buonacorsi. The boy is called Piero Giacomini (this surname is unforgettable, because it gives its name to a novel written by a famous writer in Spain "Miss Giacomini" by Miguel de Vilallonga https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2... the brother of the author of "Bearn's Doll Room" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... It's curious because Miss Gicomini is a novel in which prejudices, gossip, weasels, and puritanism have a great presence). Machiavelli is supposed to take the boy Piero, as an apprentice, to become familiar with diplomacy, and the knowledge of men, and it must be recognized, that many distinguished are found in this novel. Being the main César Borgia, who longs during this novel for many things for example that Florence paid him for being his condottiero, and throughout the novel he will be arguing, and thinking if he attacks the Republic, or not. Of course he will have to pacify his condottieros, and continue fighting against the different Italian nobles, helped either by the Hispanic monarchy, or by France. Of course César Borgia has an objective, which I will not reveal to the Goodreads user, because it is the key to this subplot, but if you are familiar with the Renaissance, and humanism will not be very difficult, which is what Caesar wants. The best thing about this novel is without a doubt how magnificently well written it is. Each word is a delicacy that the reader savors with pleasure. It is also interesting how well Maugham has managed to reproduce the Renaissance with all its lights, and its shadows. Perhaps the most accomplished is the tragic, and bloodthirsty figure of César Borgia. His curious fascination of incestuous dyes by his sister Lucrezia, who is mentioned here, but does not make an appearance. From this César Borgia seemed infinitely more credible than that of Mario Puzo. It manages to make us look like the figure of César Borgia is fascinating, and great cruel, intelligent, brilliant, and does not fall into the black legend. I think, that this portrait of César Borgia with his lights, and his shadows is close to the real one, and I think that my sister who is fascinated by this character would have loved it. It is a pity that Maugham does not focus more on the relationship between Machiavelli, and Caesar Borgia, and focuses more on his wretched loves for Aurelia. The dialogues are magnificent, and they are a real lesson in political science, and in the knowledge of the human being. Certainly as Chesty said of the criminal, and of the detective Caesar is the creative artist, and the genius, while Niccolò of Machiavelli is the worshiper, and the critic. One of the most brilliant moments, because this César Borgia has a somewhat satanic air, since he acts as a tempter of Machiavelli, who will have many defects. Here it can be added, that apart from womanizing, having poor health, is a vain person, and proud, but has something enormously positive, and with which we can empathize. He loves his homeland Florence, so he is a patriot, and he is not corrupt, he is a man loyal to his homeland. Closer to the Greeks, and to the Romans more than a person who seeks the common good, this Machiavelli is a good citizen. The relationship between Caesar Borgia and Machiavelli reminds me of the fascination felt by the intellectual, or the artist, by the tyrant Plato https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Dionysus, Aristotle https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Alexander the Great, Virgil https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Octavian, Hegel https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Napoleon, Martin Heidegger https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Adolf Hitler, or many of the writers who have sold out to communism. This theme of the artist idolizing the tyrant, or fascinated by his figure has been treated magnificently by the Romanian writer Vintila Horia https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... (continues)
That said, it is time to comment on the book in question, it indirectly has a point in common with the last review, which was written, which was that of "Hamnet" by Maggie O'Farrell (one of the most praised books of the year by almost everyone except me, which was an absolute disappointment) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4... . Both plays have one thing in common, and that is that in both they are counted as two writers William Shakespeare https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... and in this case Niccolò Machiavelli https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... (in my opinion one of the most harmful, and harmful men in the history of humanity surpassing the apostate, and heretic Martin Luther https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...) write two of their works, and the life adventures, which inspired them. In the case of the swan of Avon, or the Bard, as the master Joseph Pearce calls it https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... wrote in Hamnet one of the most emblematic works in the history of mankind "Hamlet" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... I do not deny the quality of the work deliver me the Lord from it, but I will disappoint many users of goodreads, if I tell you that it is not my favorite work of the Bard, although with the permission of Romeo and Juliet https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... be the most famous. While instead Niccolò Machiavelli, who is the main character of this novel by W. Somerset Maugham, which collects a year of the life of the great theorist, and Florentine statesman, specifically the year 1503. In my case the first thing that should surprise us is that W. Somerset in this metahistory, or metaliterature is not about how he wrote his most decisive work "The Prince" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2... where he broke with the medieval dynamic, and it is a full-fledged attack on scholasticism, based on the search for the common good, and what could please God, and where the King, or the Prince was his alter ego on this earth, however it is convenient to qualify this last phrase is not that the sovereign is God, but that he followed the example, and treated like the German mystic Thomas de Kempis to be another Christ on Earth https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... However, the greatest example of a Christic character is to a much greater extent present in a work even more famous than Machiavelli's "Prince", but whose meaning escapes the common reader. I am referring to Miguel de Cervantes' "Don Quixote" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... that is not just the story of a man who goes crazy reading novels of chivalry, a satire against novels of chivalry. It is that, but also the greatest example of imitation of Jesus Christ, and what it would be like if Christ came down to Earth again. As writers like Dostoyevsky already stated in "The Grand Inquisitor" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... or the Spanish writer Enrique Jardiel Poncela in "La Tournee de Dios" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... . It is enormously curious one thing, and that is that the two greatest writers of the sixteenth century Miguel de Cervantes, and William Shakespeare are anti-Magellanic. In the case of Shakespeare it is appreciated in all his works, especially in the most experienced disciple of Machiavelli, who is Iago the great villain of "Othello" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... It is a pity that the genius of these two men has not served to erase from the face of the earth the evil and perverse legacy of the literary works of the Florentine writer. However, if the user of Goodreads expected that in this novel by W. Somerset Maugham he would tell us, he led the Italian humanist to write his magnum opus. He will be disappointed, because W. Somerset Maugham chooses to tell, what was the historical episode, which led Niccolò Machiavelli to write a perfectly dispensable story, although it amuses many. In my opinion "La Mandragora" prefigures https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8... what will be the sectarianism of the so-called century of lights I would rather call the century of darkness blacker, and gloomy. Before we had some critics, and exceptional commentators, who give the key to this novel. Actually this novel set in the year 1503 tells two things a story that has dramelian overtones or comic-tragic that is to say a misadventure, or a ridicule in the love field of Machiavelli's Nicholas, which relates it to the "Decameron" of Giovanni Bocaccio https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5... https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... , or "the cheerful comadres of Windsor" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... that is to say a love failure on the part of the seasoned, and great connoisseur of the world, and of the human soul Nicholas of Machiavelli, but the most interesting thing about this book, although it is the main plot is not the love failure, which leads him to write "La Mandragora" but the relationship with a more controversial characters in history, and that was the model, which the Florentine author used to write "The Prince" I am referring to the relationship of Niccolò Machiavelli sent by the Republic of Florence, as extraordinary ambassador, to negotiate with César Borgia, that although people do not believe it, because he tends to create, that the model of his Prince is our Ferdinand the Catholic (rather this would be the model of another writer Baltasar de Gracián https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... the famous author of the Criticón, and https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7... one of the promoters of what in Spain was called Tacitism an Iberian version of Machiavellianism in Spain). In fact if we realize, and this is explained very well by W. Somerset Maugham Machiavelli, although he lives in a Christian era, and does not dare to break totally with the spirit of his time. It is of all the men of the Renaissance the most ungodly, because it is the one that goes further than its contemporaries, it is no longer that it does like other humanists, who attack the papacy, and the Church, and who are fascinated by hellenic-Roman paganism is that we are facing a pagan writer, who Christian only has the name. As I read this novel Machiavelli reminded me of his curse (which Maugham does not hide at any time) and his tendency to gossip, and to tell spicy and green stories it reminded me of Aretino https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4... . https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... Another Italian humanist, known for being a slanderer, dirty-tongued, and even dirtier-minded, who in the end ended up degenerating into a blackmailer, whom even crowned temples were afraid of. However, unlike Aretino it is seen in this novel, which, although machiavelli shares many traits with this repulsive character Machiavelli beats him, because he has a reputation for being a great connoisseur of the human soul, and of political affairs. In this novel it is seen how Machiavelli chooses to be the teacher, or the guide of a boy who is entrusted to him in his mission by a friend of his Biaggio Buonacorsi. The boy is called Piero Giacomini (this surname is unforgettable, because it gives its name to a novel written by a famous writer in Spain "Miss Giacomini" by Miguel de Vilallonga https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2... the brother of the author of "Bearn's Doll Room" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... It's curious because Miss Gicomini is a novel in which prejudices, gossip, weasels, and puritanism have a great presence). Machiavelli is supposed to take the boy Piero, as an apprentice, to become familiar with diplomacy, and the knowledge of men, and it must be recognized, that many distinguished are found in this novel. Being the main César Borgia, who longs during this novel for many things for example that Florence paid him for being his condottiero, and throughout the novel he will be arguing, and thinking if he attacks the Republic, or not. Of course he will have to pacify his condottieros, and continue fighting against the different Italian nobles, helped either by the Hispanic monarchy, or by France. Of course César Borgia has an objective, which I will not reveal to the Goodreads user, because it is the key to this subplot, but if you are familiar with the Renaissance, and humanism will not be very difficult, which is what Caesar wants. The best thing about this novel is without a doubt how magnificently well written it is. Each word is a delicacy that the reader savors with pleasure. It is also interesting how well Maugham has managed to reproduce the Renaissance with all its lights, and its shadows. Perhaps the most accomplished is the tragic, and bloodthirsty figure of César Borgia. His curious fascination of incestuous dyes by his sister Lucrezia, who is mentioned here, but does not make an appearance. From this César Borgia seemed infinitely more credible than that of Mario Puzo. It manages to make us look like the figure of César Borgia is fascinating, and great cruel, intelligent, brilliant, and does not fall into the black legend. I think, that this portrait of César Borgia with his lights, and his shadows is close to the real one, and I think that my sister who is fascinated by this character would have loved it. It is a pity that Maugham does not focus more on the relationship between Machiavelli, and Caesar Borgia, and focuses more on his wretched loves for Aurelia. The dialogues are magnificent, and they are a real lesson in political science, and in the knowledge of the human being. Certainly as Chesty said of the criminal, and of the detective Caesar is the creative artist, and the genius, while Niccolò of Machiavelli is the worshiper, and the critic. One of the most brilliant moments, because this César Borgia has a somewhat satanic air, since he acts as a tempter of Machiavelli, who will have many defects. Here it can be added, that apart from womanizing, having poor health, is a vain person, and proud, but has something enormously positive, and with which we can empathize. He loves his homeland Florence, so he is a patriot, and he is not corrupt, he is a man loyal to his homeland. Closer to the Greeks, and to the Romans more than a person who seeks the common good, this Machiavelli is a good citizen. The relationship between Caesar Borgia and Machiavelli reminds me of the fascination felt by the intellectual, or the artist, by the tyrant Plato https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Dionysus, Aristotle https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Alexander the Great, Virgil https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Octavian, Hegel https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Napoleon, Martin Heidegger https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... by Adolf Hitler, or many of the writers who have sold out to communism. This theme of the artist idolizing the tyrant, or fascinated by his figure has been treated magnificently by the Romanian writer Vintila Horia https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... (continues)
April 25, 2018
Maugham never ceases to amaze me. With most authors one can notice a theme in all their books. In fact some of the best writers have rarely written beyond a handful of books and then there's Maugham, who was a prolific writer. Not only are two of his books dissimilar in style, but also in genre.
In Then and Now, Maugham tests waters with historical fiction. In having the clever and scheming politician Machiavelli as his protagonist, Maugham introduces us to a time in which Italy was not united. Machiavelli is a shrewd diplomat with a feverish patriotism for his land Florence. He is sent to negotiate with the powerful and able Duke Cesaer Borgia. Over the course of four months, Machiavelli and his sidekick befriend a few people and Machiavelli also falls is love with a docile woman. What ensues is a story filled with excitement, comedy, wit and suspense. If these don't excite a reader, there are some valuable historical lessons to be learnt, and not didactic ones. They are woven into the impeccable and sharp narrative.
In Maugham's mind's eye, the above story forms the basis for Machiavelli's real play. As usual, Maugham's writing always bowls me over. There is evidence of ample research before writing the book and its a nice little package of great entertainment. A well deserved 4.5 stars from my favourite author.
In Then and Now, Maugham tests waters with historical fiction. In having the clever and scheming politician Machiavelli as his protagonist, Maugham introduces us to a time in which Italy was not united. Machiavelli is a shrewd diplomat with a feverish patriotism for his land Florence. He is sent to negotiate with the powerful and able Duke Cesaer Borgia. Over the course of four months, Machiavelli and his sidekick befriend a few people and Machiavelli also falls is love with a docile woman. What ensues is a story filled with excitement, comedy, wit and suspense. If these don't excite a reader, there are some valuable historical lessons to be learnt, and not didactic ones. They are woven into the impeccable and sharp narrative.
In Maugham's mind's eye, the above story forms the basis for Machiavelli's real play. As usual, Maugham's writing always bowls me over. There is evidence of ample research before writing the book and its a nice little package of great entertainment. A well deserved 4.5 stars from my favourite author.
March 15, 2015
Great book. Enjoyed reading again.
I like the the political intrigue, analysis of human frailties and the wit. Maugham's painting of politics of Italy in 1500 is vivid and real for today as well. You can't but feel for Machiavelli. There are many worthy quotes and my favorite comes towards the end: "In this world of sin and sorrow if virtue triumphs over vice, it is not because it is virtuous, but because it has better and bigger guns; If honesty prevails over double dealing, it is not because it is honest, but because it has a stronger army more ably led; and if good overcomes evil, it is not because it is good, but because it has a well lined purse. It is well to have right on our side, but it is madness to forget that unless we have might as well it will avail us nothing. We must believe that God loves men of good will, but there is no evidence to show that He will save fools from the result of their folly"
I like the the political intrigue, analysis of human frailties and the wit. Maugham's painting of politics of Italy in 1500 is vivid and real for today as well. You can't but feel for Machiavelli. There are many worthy quotes and my favorite comes towards the end: "In this world of sin and sorrow if virtue triumphs over vice, it is not because it is virtuous, but because it has better and bigger guns; If honesty prevails over double dealing, it is not because it is honest, but because it has a stronger army more ably led; and if good overcomes evil, it is not because it is good, but because it has a well lined purse. It is well to have right on our side, but it is madness to forget that unless we have might as well it will avail us nothing. We must believe that God loves men of good will, but there is no evidence to show that He will save fools from the result of their folly"
August 17, 2014
I enjoyed this a lot more than I expected to. An interesting departure from Maugham's usual fare in terms of content, but the style of writing remains as sharp as ever. Peppered with memorable quotes and his trademark sharp commentary on human nature, what makes this book interesting that instead of his usual style where he acts as narrator/dispassionate third party, here he attempts to get into the head of his main character and speaks from his point of view and that is the best part of the book. As a result, the dialogue and conversations between every character in this book have a sense of authenticity that adds great value to the book.
While I can't speak for the historical accuracy I the book, judging it purely as a work of fiction and for its entertainment value, this is a thoroughly enjoyable read.
While I can't speak for the historical accuracy I the book, judging it purely as a work of fiction and for its entertainment value, this is a thoroughly enjoyable read.
February 5, 2022
ایدهی جالبی داشت اما حوصلهی مرا سر برد.
February 7, 2025
«К черту любовь, – пробормотал Макиавелли, слезая с лошади. – Что есть любовь в сравнении с искусством!»
An absolute masterpiece, a masterful translation. So glad that my love for Maugham and for Italy is combined in this book – and what a book it is!
October 17, 2018
چه کسی فکر می کند که آدم عاشق باید محتاط باشد؟ مثل این است که شما از دریایی که در معرض بادهای سهمگین آسمانی قرار گرفته است بخواهید آرام باشد.
اما هرکسی می تواند تحقیری را که در حقش روا داشته اند و خود هم از آن آگاه است،تحمل کند. مهم این است که آدم جوری به این قضیه نگاه کند که انگار در جایی دیگر و بر سر آدمی دیگر آمده است.
مرده شوی عشق را ببرد.عشق در برابر هنر چه ارزشی دارد!
اما هرکسی می تواند تحقیری را که در حقش روا داشته اند و خود هم از آن آگاه است،تحمل کند. مهم این است که آدم جوری به این قضیه نگاه کند که انگار در جایی دیگر و بر سر آدمی دیگر آمده است.
مرده شوی عشق را ببرد.عشق در برابر هنر چه ارزشی دارد!
June 2, 2019
Somewhat of a departure from his usual contemporary fiction, Then and Now was referred to as “his Renaissance novel” while Maugham was writing it. Set in Italy in the very early sixteenth century, it covers three months of a lively, cat-and-mouse game between two legendary historical figures, namely, Caesar Borgia and Niccolo Machiavelli.
The country is a boiling political and religious cauldron with both French and Spanish factions jostling the Italians and each other to establish firmer footholds through the usual means: dispassionately-arranged alliances via loveless marriages, pandering to royal patronage of each interested country, and of course, flimsy, insincere promises, casual betrayals, and all manner of mischief and mayhem.
As Caesar Borgia, a tempestuous character with a changeable disposition, flexes his muscles in threatening gestures towards Florence, Machiavelli is sent to appease and negotiate with him. Machiavelli is a self-declared diplomat extraordinaire, proud of both his smooth shrewdness and devilish duplicity, confident in his belief that he can handle Borgia. However, no sooner does Machiavelli arrive to prove his negotiating skills, than he falls prey to his other great appetite—women!
The woman in this instance is Aurelia, young wife of the businessman hosting Machiavelli as a guest. And so begins the clandestine meetings, the passing of secrets, the bribery of accomplices, and a whole variety of complicated social chicanery. Machiavelli is frantic in his efforts with both the whimsically demonic Borgia and the beautiful, guileless, and moral Aurelia.
In both endeavors, Machiavelli appears to come breathlessly close to victory, only to be thwarted at the last minute. This happens repeatedly, so much so, that Machiavelli, alleged master of intrigue and deception, begins to wonder what forces are conspiring against him and whether he is up to the challenge. Though he logically connects the dots to explain how something went awry, he finds there is much deeper mischief at play.
Maugham does a brilliant job of bringing these historically-significant figures vividly to life in an accessible and highly-entertaining fashion. Then and Now is simultaneously a whodunit, political thriller, history lesson, and romantic scandal. Readers can almost sense Maugham having great fun in fictionalizing these true events. Given that it was written late in his prolific career, this fast-paced novel illustrates the sure touch and talent of a great writer.
The country is a boiling political and religious cauldron with both French and Spanish factions jostling the Italians and each other to establish firmer footholds through the usual means: dispassionately-arranged alliances via loveless marriages, pandering to royal patronage of each interested country, and of course, flimsy, insincere promises, casual betrayals, and all manner of mischief and mayhem.
As Caesar Borgia, a tempestuous character with a changeable disposition, flexes his muscles in threatening gestures towards Florence, Machiavelli is sent to appease and negotiate with him. Machiavelli is a self-declared diplomat extraordinaire, proud of both his smooth shrewdness and devilish duplicity, confident in his belief that he can handle Borgia. However, no sooner does Machiavelli arrive to prove his negotiating skills, than he falls prey to his other great appetite—women!
The woman in this instance is Aurelia, young wife of the businessman hosting Machiavelli as a guest. And so begins the clandestine meetings, the passing of secrets, the bribery of accomplices, and a whole variety of complicated social chicanery. Machiavelli is frantic in his efforts with both the whimsically demonic Borgia and the beautiful, guileless, and moral Aurelia.
In both endeavors, Machiavelli appears to come breathlessly close to victory, only to be thwarted at the last minute. This happens repeatedly, so much so, that Machiavelli, alleged master of intrigue and deception, begins to wonder what forces are conspiring against him and whether he is up to the challenge. Though he logically connects the dots to explain how something went awry, he finds there is much deeper mischief at play.
Maugham does a brilliant job of bringing these historically-significant figures vividly to life in an accessible and highly-entertaining fashion. Then and Now is simultaneously a whodunit, political thriller, history lesson, and romantic scandal. Readers can almost sense Maugham having great fun in fictionalizing these true events. Given that it was written late in his prolific career, this fast-paced novel illustrates the sure touch and talent of a great writer.
August 3, 2012
I found Then and Now many, many years ago in my grandparents' bookcase (was a bored book-a-phile teen). Then and Now has remained in the back of my mind for some 30 years. That says something both for Maugham and for Machiavelli. I actually found the book thrilling--the intrigue of dangerous Florentine politics and dangerous possible seduction of his host's wife--kept my attention. That much of the politics Maugham details is very accurate makes the book more valuable now, although I certainly did not know that as a teenager.
Just read The Swerve: How the World Became Modern (nonfiction) Stephan Greenblat. That is what refreshed my memory about Machiavelli, crooked Popes, lethal political alliances, and the Renaissance. my link text
Sorrell
Just read The Swerve: How the World Became Modern (nonfiction) Stephan Greenblat. That is what refreshed my memory about Machiavelli, crooked Popes, lethal political alliances, and the Renaissance. my link text
Sorrell
October 1, 2012
This was a fascinating read. Somerset Maugham's research regarding the political background of Italy in 1502 was excellent. Macchiavelli's love affair was intriguing: morphing into satire. I highly recommend this book and wonder "why" this story hasn't yet become a film?
May 24, 2016
Interesting depiction of Machiavelli and Cesare Borgia, as well as Renaissance life. Some pretty good passages of dialogue, and the whole thing moves at a nice pace. Certainly a departure from what I know of Maugham, but an enjoyable read.
September 29, 2014
Intrigue, political maneuvering and seduction in set in 1502 Italy, where Machiavelli and Cesare Borgia cross paths - a premise that never fails to make for a great historical novel.
August 19, 2019
چیزی نبود که انتظارش رو داشتم ...
December 17, 2022
Honestly? I expected a little more from a book starring Machiavelli and the Borgias... Possibly I just wasn't in the right frame of mind, and a re-read will click better...
August 3, 2025
Gripping historical fiction. Disappointed that Maugham didn’t write more in this vein.
October 21, 2020
A minor Maugham, but a lovely little piece of historical fiction. Written in the aftermath of WWII, Maugham saw parallels between the posturing powers of the day and the competing city states of Renaissance Italy. Who better to serve as a window on those times than one of the few politicians to have given an adjective to the English language, the arch-schemer himself, Niccolo Machiavelli. A fun read on any level, and although the politics may be either 75 years or 500 years out of date depending on your viewpoint, Maugham can still slice right through to the present day. This is from the book's final page: "In this world of sin and sorrow if virtue triumphs over vice it is not because it is virtuous, but because it has better and bigger guns; if honesty prevails over double-dealing it is not because it is honest, but because it has a stronger army more ably led; and if good overcomes evil, it is not because it is good, but because it has a larger purse. It is well to have right on our side, but it is madness to forget that unless we have might as well it will avail us nothing."
February 17, 2013
An enjoyable read which, although published in 1946, gave the impression of similar works in the 17th and 18th centuries. Centering around Machiavelli as it's main character, it ventures through intrigue and conquest with an enjoyable flair. My only complaint is that it seemed to build towards something, only to fall rather flat at its end. As though a series had been abruptly canceled and a writer must write some type of ending that his heart is not in. I have enjoyed Maugham when I read his more famous work, "The Razor's Edge". But this one, though enjoyable, left me flat in the end.
November 10, 2017
As with all historical fiction, I felt the beginning was rather dry, setting up people and places that have their place in the period, but mean almost nothing outside it. When the book picked up I found it rather enjoyable, but as I came near the end, I was confused as to the title. Then Maugham revealed something about Machiavelli and everything clicked in place. I shall not spoil it here, but going in only knowing it was written by Maugham, I was pleasantly surprised.
January 5, 2017
We found this book at Ms Ruby's while cleaning out. It has her name and June 1946 inside! I love historical fiction and like somerset Maugham's other works, so gave this a try. Very different, pretty good, made me feel connected to Ruby, who read this so many years ago.
January 10, 2009
Great so far - my first Maugham! Love Machiavelli and I hope to learn much from his dealings.
December 28, 2013
Nice and easy reading novel about Macchiavelli's involvement in a political and love affair during the Renaissance era.
Writing style could be more sophisticated!
Writing style could be more sophisticated!
May 1, 2024
Talk about a book that takes you to another time and place! This one did for me superbly.
A departure from his usual period and yet his observational eyes are as deep as ever. Maybe deeper.
Machiavelli's time has some immense similarities to the present. But not in consequences much at all.
It only lost a star in the convolution of the parts about 3/4th into the book. With so many duplicitous characters to remember and with too many moving parts to easily conceptualize. I am truly aghast at the sensibilities that rate this boring. I found it almost completely the opposite. It's enthralling factor for me- a 5 star.
Smooth prose and misogynist eyes as usual, of course. But also some of the very best descriptions in Maugham. And can he DO THEM.
There is a portion of page 206 -207 about democracy in end states (most states too) that is priceless. And more pertains to 2024 than 1502. So true in both intelligent and logical observations. It amazed me that in this 1946 water stained and browned by time (some of the print is even scratched off at points) that this Doubleday first edition is still getting around. And speaks so truthfully about hierarchy and so much more of governing outcomes in republic/democratic forms.
When they are speaking of jobs and the Duke has offered a better one to Machiavelli which he refuses because he does NOT want a top leader role. The following is his conversation with the Duke:
"I have learned from Aristotle that it is the better part of wisdom to cultivate the golden mean."
"Is it possible that you are devoid of ambition."
"Far from it, Excellency," smiled Machiavelli. "My ambition is to serve my state to the best of my ability."
"That is just what you will not be allowed to do. You know better than anyone in a republic talent is suspect. A man attains high office because his mediocrity prevents him from being a menace to his associates. That is why a democracy is ruled not by the men who are most competent to rule it, but the men who insignificance can excite nobody's apprehension. Do you know what are the cankers that eat the heart of a democracy?"
"Envy and fear. The petty men in office are envious of their associates and rather than that one of them should gain reputation will prevent him from taking a measure on which may depend the safety and prosperity of the state; and they are fearful because they know that all about them are others who will stop at neither lies nor trickery to step into their shoes. And what is the result? The result is that they are more afraid of doing wrong than zealous to do right. They say that dog doesn't bite; whoever invented that proverb never lived under a democratic government."
1502?
A departure from his usual period and yet his observational eyes are as deep as ever. Maybe deeper.
Machiavelli's time has some immense similarities to the present. But not in consequences much at all.
It only lost a star in the convolution of the parts about 3/4th into the book. With so many duplicitous characters to remember and with too many moving parts to easily conceptualize. I am truly aghast at the sensibilities that rate this boring. I found it almost completely the opposite. It's enthralling factor for me- a 5 star.
Smooth prose and misogynist eyes as usual, of course. But also some of the very best descriptions in Maugham. And can he DO THEM.
There is a portion of page 206 -207 about democracy in end states (most states too) that is priceless. And more pertains to 2024 than 1502. So true in both intelligent and logical observations. It amazed me that in this 1946 water stained and browned by time (some of the print is even scratched off at points) that this Doubleday first edition is still getting around. And speaks so truthfully about hierarchy and so much more of governing outcomes in republic/democratic forms.
When they are speaking of jobs and the Duke has offered a better one to Machiavelli which he refuses because he does NOT want a top leader role. The following is his conversation with the Duke:
"I have learned from Aristotle that it is the better part of wisdom to cultivate the golden mean."
"Is it possible that you are devoid of ambition."
"Far from it, Excellency," smiled Machiavelli. "My ambition is to serve my state to the best of my ability."
"That is just what you will not be allowed to do. You know better than anyone in a republic talent is suspect. A man attains high office because his mediocrity prevents him from being a menace to his associates. That is why a democracy is ruled not by the men who are most competent to rule it, but the men who insignificance can excite nobody's apprehension. Do you know what are the cankers that eat the heart of a democracy?"
"Envy and fear. The petty men in office are envious of their associates and rather than that one of them should gain reputation will prevent him from taking a measure on which may depend the safety and prosperity of the state; and they are fearful because they know that all about them are others who will stop at neither lies nor trickery to step into their shoes. And what is the result? The result is that they are more afraid of doing wrong than zealous to do right. They say that dog doesn't bite; whoever invented that proverb never lived under a democratic government."
1502?
June 19, 2022
Два главных персонажа, вокруг которых вертится все повествование - это Никколо Макивелли и Чезаре Борджа. Правда, это заманчиво звучит? Может быть, такие громкие имена стали причиной моих завышенных требований к роману... Не знаю. Однако "Тогда и теперь" не оставил в душе после прочтения ровны счетом ничего. Очень стабильный середнячок.
Попытаюсь аргументировать свою точку зрения, ибо безосновательные нападки на Моэма - это по меньшей мере глупо, ибо Моэм - один из величайших романистов и самых тонких психологов. Ну а тут даже не знаю, что случилось... Моэм как будто присваивает своим персонажам одну единственную характеристику и весь роман разрабатывает только ее. Например, "Макиавелли манипулирует людьми" или "Чезаре Борджа - гениальный авантюрист и стратег". Герои картонны и не вызывают симпатий, сочувствие или наоборот негативных эмоций. Одно полнейшее равнодушие. Да, были неплохие моменты, удачные фразы ("Хорошо иметь друзей, - размышлял Макиавелли, - и хорошо, когда они знают, что за любой недружественный поступок ты можешь отомстить."), за которые книга и получила нейтральную, а не отрицательную оценку, но в общем и целом она выглядит как расширенный пересказ фрагмента из учебника истории. Непонятен мне и сам образ Макиавелли. Кого пытался нарисовать Моэм? Политика? Писателя? И то, и другое вышло неубедительно. Даже эпоха какая-то ненатуральная, скорее театральная декорация, а не место для жизни.
P.S. Оказывается, у Макиавели есть эссе "Описание того, как избавился герцог Валентино от Вителлоццо Вителли, Оливеретто да Фермо, синьора Паоло и герцога Гравина Орсини" (переводчик: Алексей Дживелегов).
5 / 10
August 18, 2022
This is so unfortunate. I have never had such a hard time reading a Maugham book, but this was deathly dull. I would read it in the evening or at night and pass out before I finished two pages. It doesn't really go anywhere, and there are long stretches of Florentine/Borgian political blather that are completely superfluous and can be skipped easily.
It was only toward the end that I understood why Maugham wrote this particular book. I suspect he tried to find parallels between his own life as a spy and political agent, using his experiences as an inspiration for his books, and Machiavelli's life as an emissary-turned-writer. What is missing from the book is what Maugham does best: portraits of real people, flawed and keenly observed and rendered with unstinting accuracy and humor.
Selina Hastings' biography of Maugham characterizes the book as a "pedestrian work", and reports that one of the most influential critics of the time, Wilson, gave it an absolutely scathing review. She also reports that Maugham wrote this book during one of the hardest periods of his life, shortly after the death of his life-long partner Gerald Haxton. He was despondent and miserable, and no doubt far from top form, when he was writing this. He can definitely be forgiven--it's amazing he managed to write anything at all. But this is definitely not a book I'd recommend for anyone who is new to Maugham's work. It's the worst of the ones I've read so far.
It was only toward the end that I understood why Maugham wrote this particular book. I suspect he tried to find parallels between his own life as a spy and political agent, using his experiences as an inspiration for his books, and Machiavelli's life as an emissary-turned-writer. What is missing from the book is what Maugham does best: portraits of real people, flawed and keenly observed and rendered with unstinting accuracy and humor.
Selina Hastings' biography of Maugham characterizes the book as a "pedestrian work", and reports that one of the most influential critics of the time, Wilson, gave it an absolutely scathing review. She also reports that Maugham wrote this book during one of the hardest periods of his life, shortly after the death of his life-long partner Gerald Haxton. He was despondent and miserable, and no doubt far from top form, when he was writing this. He can definitely be forgiven--it's amazing he managed to write anything at all. But this is definitely not a book I'd recommend for anyone who is new to Maugham's work. It's the worst of the ones I've read so far.
November 18, 2020
Well done!
Maugham animated a world five hundred years gone, made livng by so many textures and colors of life.
I am envious of Maughams facility of expression, how perfectly he constructs his prose.
All points of view are considered, all thoughts are developed, but with restraint and deliberation.
Niccolo is in conflict at one point or another with every other character in the novel, which encourages a paranoid reading of the story...
In every exchange, one considers not just the hero, but the counterparty; this paranoid, "spy" genre tone, ellicited empathy and irony from this usually indifferent reader.
I found the ending elegant and satisfying.
An unexpected side-effect of this novel - broadened my perspective of Machiavelli and his times, which I did not experience when reading his famous work divorced of context.
Maugham animated a world five hundred years gone, made livng by so many textures and colors of life.
I am envious of Maughams facility of expression, how perfectly he constructs his prose.
All points of view are considered, all thoughts are developed, but with restraint and deliberation.
Niccolo is in conflict at one point or another with every other character in the novel, which encourages a paranoid reading of the story...
In every exchange, one considers not just the hero, but the counterparty; this paranoid, "spy" genre tone, ellicited empathy and irony from this usually indifferent reader.
I found the ending elegant and satisfying.
An unexpected side-effect of this novel - broadened my perspective of Machiavelli and his times, which I did not experience when reading his famous work divorced of context.
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