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محاورة فايدروس لأفلاطون أو عن الجمال

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Trajectory presents classics of world literature with 21st century features! Our original-text editions include the following visual enhancements to foster a deeper understanding of the work: Word Clouds at the start of each chapter highlight important words. Word, sentence, paragraph counts, and reading time help readers and teachers determine chapter complexity. Co-occur

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Published 2011 by الهيئة المصرية العامة للكتاب (first published -370)
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Riku Sayuj

“Every heart sings a song, incomplete, until another heart whispers back. Those who wish to sing always find a song. At the touch of a lover, everyone becomes a poet.”

~ Plato


THE SCHOOL OF LOVE

Phaedrus is commonly paired on the one hand with Gorgias and on the other with Symposium - with all three combining and leading towards Republic. It is compared with Gorgias in sharing its principal theme, the nature and limitations of rhetoric, and with Symposium in being devoted to the nature and v
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Manny
[HARRY's apartment from When Harry Met Sally. HARRY is asleep on his couch. On the table next to him are a mostly-empty bottle of bourbon and a copy of Phaedrus. Enter SOCRATES.]

SOCRATES: Good evening, Harry.

HARRY: How--

SOCRATES: Don't worry, I'm not real. This is a dream.

HARRY: Uh--

SOCRATES: I see you're reading Phaedrus. Looking for advice, maybe?

HARRY: I-- I just can't understand how I could have done it. Why did I fuck her? I've ruined everything.

SOCRATES: You're sure about that?

HARRY: We ha
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Ian "Marvin" Graye
A Twist in Your Toga

As they say in the classics, I’m glad I reviewed "The Symposium" before "Phaedrus".

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...

Although the two relate to similar subject matter, it’s uncertain in what order they were written.

However, "Phaedrus" isn’t the toga party that "The Symposium" was, primarily because there are less participants. And everybody knows, the bigger the toga party, the better. (Well, it has a potential for more surprises, though apart from the surprise elemen
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Yann


Ce texte a été écrit par Platon il y a vingt-cinq siècles. C'est un dialogue, sans doute imaginaire, entre Socrate, qui fut l'un de ses maîtres dans sa jeunesse, et qu'il fait largement intervenir dans ses œuvres, et Phèdre, un jeune homme de la noblesse Athénienne qui le fréquente. Le prétexte de cette causerie, c'est une promenade en dehors de la ville, où Phèdre entraine Socrate après l'avoir appâté par son enthousiasme à l'idée de lui faire entendre un discours qui l'a enchanté. Ce discours,
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Xanthi
Feb 27, 2018 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
3,5/5
Ο Πλάτων σκιαγραφεί μια κλίμακα ερωτικής ανάβασης που διαδοχικά καλύπτει την έλξη προς ένα ωραίο σώμα, την έλξη προς τις ωραίες ψυχές, την έλξη προς τις ωραίες δημιουργίες και μαθήσεις, για να καταλήξει στην αποκάλυψη ότι το πραγματικό κίνητρο του έρωτα είναι η ταύτισή του με το ιδεατό ωραίο, με την ιδέα της ωραιότητας. Ο Πλατωνικός έρωτας δεν είναι ένας έρωτας ανεκπλήρωτος. Είναι ο έρωτας στην πλήρη μορφή του. Εκεί που οι ερωτευμένοι μετά τη σωματική έλξη και την ψυχική ένωση καταλήγουν σε
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Ahmed Oraby
Dec 03, 2017 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
قرأتها في مكتبة الجامعة. محاورة سيئة إلى حد كبير، وإن كنت متفق مع جزئية كون المحب غير مالك زمام عقله، وأن اللا - محب يكون أكثر قبولًا. لكن المشكلة أن اللا- محب يعيش حياته في الغالب مثل جماد. ليس هذا هو الحل بالتأكيد. لم لا يوجد حبًا عقلانيًا؟ كالحب الذي اقترحه فروم مثلًا؟
يصور أفلاطون الحب أنه قوة تتنازعها سلطتين، العقل واللذة، أو حسب مجازه: عربة يجرها حصانين، وإن زادت سلطة أحدهم على الآخر تنقلب العربة، وبأن الحب علاقة يحكمها الكون والفساد أو مبدأ الحب والكره الذي لا أذكر من قال به. عموما هي محا
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Steve
Sep 29, 2013 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: greek, philosophy
Phaedrus is another Socratic dialogue, but one which actually is a dialogue. Socrates runs into his friend Phaedrus, who tells him of a conversation he just had with Lysias, a mutual acquaintance. As in the Symposium

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...

the topic is love, but here, instead of looking at many different aspects of love, the topic is, initially, who is the better object of a man's love? One should keep in mind that one of the positions defended in the Symposium is: the mo
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Jonfaith
May 27, 2016 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: theory
I have heard a tradition of the ancients, whether true or not they only know; although if we found the truth ourselves, do you think that we should care much about the opinions of men?

Delightful rumination on the contrast of rhetoric and philosophy, on the written against the spoken and the madness which is love. I read this as grist for a Derrida project which failed to appear on command. Other tools require being readied.
رحمان
Through the madness of love, you can transform your desire for your beloved from a physical need to a spiritual passion, and therefore feel for his beautiful soul as much as you do for his beautiful body. When you achieve that level of soulful love, your beloved, bathing in the reflected radiance of the harmonious admixture of his beauty and yours, and drinking from the stream of desire running through the both of you, gives you in return his uncontaminated, worthy love. Then, by maintaining a b ...more
Bogdan Raț
Feb 06, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Toată lumea
O delectare. N-am rezistat tentației de a-l citi de două ori.
jo
Jan 30, 2016 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Very interesting and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Peter
Spoiler alert: This book is not about a "philosophy of love" as many reviewers seem to believe. As every dream has its manifest content (a storyline) that masks a latent content (the suppressed, unconscious emotions that bubble into our semi-conscious REM sleep), Socrates' discourse on the nature of love thinly masks the true subject of this dialogue: bullshit, how to produce it, and how to recognize it. For the reader, his dialectical approach gives us a hint about how to resist it.

With self-de
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Nesrazmerni
Nov 23, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
''Bezumna požuda, koja je savladala misao i njenu težnju za onim što je pravo i
pohitala za uživanjem naslade što je daje lepota, pa je opet od njoj srodnih požuda
dovedena telesnoj lepoti, te je tako na svom pobedničkom hodu ojačala do najživljeg
razvitka snage, dobila je ime po toj istoj snazi i nazvana je ljubavlju.''


Mnogo lepo Platon piše o lepoti i zanesenosti, o duši i istini, o ljubavi... Ali, njegova predstava je toliko idealistička da sam u jednom trenutku stekao utisak da će se tekst ispr
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Jacob Aitken
Initial Problem: Can a lover be a stable friend?

P1: The Lover is more dis-ordered than the non-lover.
P2: Love is a desire [Plato 237]
P2a: Erromenos Eros is the Supreme Desire.
P3: (Socrates speaking): The non-lover has all the advantages in which the lover is deficient.

P(1-3) establish that the lover is always unstable. He is concerned with pleasing the beloved. It seems if he is controlled by desire (Eros), then he isn’t rational. In fact, he is mad.

But Socrates raises an interesting question: D
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David Alexander
Feb 24, 2013 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Phaedrus is a beautiful dialogue of Plato. I confess, I listened to the whole thing while laying down mulch for hours with my earbuds. Librivox.org, man. Plato first sets the stage by narrating a scene of playful leisure to set the stage for layered, increasingly deeper contemplation. The dialogue offers valuable, time-tested insight and guidance in the life of the mind and itself embodies the insight.

Perhaps we get the word philosophy from this dialogue. At least in it Socrates defines the typ
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Nicolás.
Jul 15, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2017
En estos "diálogos socráticos" encontramos a un Fedro y Sócrates hablando acerca del amor, la dialéctica, del alma, de la relación entre escritura y memoria, etc.

«El que piensa trasmitir un arte, consignándolo en un libro, y el que cree a su vez tomarlo de este, como si estos caracteres pudiesen darle alguna instrucción clara y sólida, me parece un gran necio; y ciertamente ignora el oráculo de Ammón, si piensa que un escrito pueda ser más que un medio de despertar reminiscencias en aquel que co
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E.
Dec 06, 2011 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
The Phaedrus was not one of the dialogues we read in my Plato seminar in grad school, so I thought I'd finally tackle it. I didn't like it much. I'm guessing that that might be the influence of my particular professor, but I'm not sure.

Some of the other goodreads reviews are very well-written and do a nice job of analyzing the dialogue. Many highly recommend it.

The dialogue is a conversation between Socrates and Phaedrus out for a walk on a hot summer afternoon. They take shelter in a cool spot
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Zakaria Bziker
Some thoughts herein are eternal. Ahead of its time maybe. I was more interested in how the dialogue flows, however not to say the least of the content. It is highly civilised how Socrates and Phaedrus conversed. All the world problems would be solved in an instance had everybody conversed like these two giants.
Ahmed M. Abdallah
Nov 22, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
ظالمين أفلاطون يا جماعة
Chiara Pagliochini
“Come una corrente di vento o un’eco che rimbalzando su una superficie levigata e solida si ripercuote al punto d’origine, così la corrente di bellezza penetra di nuovo nel bell’amato attraverso gli occhi. Così per il suo naturale canale raggiunge l’anima, e come vi arriva disponendola al volo irrora i meati delle penne, stimola la crescita delle ali e a poco a poco riempie d’amore l’anima dell’amato.”

La domanda legittima è: perché, quando uno sta già leggendo altri sette libri, una bella mattin
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April Munday
Jan 28, 2018 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: classic
Phaedrus is about relationships between friends and lovers. It's also a case study in rhetoric. It even delves into the nature of philosophy.

I suspect that there is no way of translating it so that it's easy to approach for the reader with little idea of what Plato was about. It's probably a difficult text to translate at all. The introduction to the translation I read certainly hints that this is the case.

There are so many barriers between a modern-day reader and a text like this. Even someone
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Rickeclectic
Dec 10, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Philosophy buffs, literary criticism buffs
Shelves: philosophy
Previously considered a lesser work by Plato, but more recently considered important because of Derrida. The text is about writing and oral communication and their role in telling the truth. The dialogue very cleverly intersperses the difference between true and false love with the difference between true and false rhetoric. In reading this, it helps to understand the opposition between Socrates and the sophists that pervades most of the other Platonic dialogues, but the Phaedrus can stand alone ...more
Sarah
Feb 18, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This is a short dialogue and I read it quickly. It's the one with the argument against the invention of writing.

Basically Socrates (the character) is suspicious of any attempt to replace a process that uses the whole of a human's abilities (like spoken discourse) with an automated process that's simpler and more rigid, like written language. A book can't talk back to you, can't explain the nuances; a book is dumber than a wise human. (Just like, in the Laws, Plato is skeptical of legal codes be
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Chris
Feb 15, 2009 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: theory
Plato is RIDICULOUS. In all the best ways. I'm sort of inclined to agree with a friend who said that if you're trying to sort out the Socrates from the Plato, a pretty good indicator for the Socrates is the concentration of dirty jokes. The Phaedrus is rife with them. It actually opens with Lysias arguing for hookup culture. That makes the subtle little ways that Socrates pulls out the rug from under you all the more delicious.e
Jon
Jan 07, 2009 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Plato at his most playful. First Socrates presents one argument about romantic love (in a nutshell--that it's dangerous and not to be messed with), then professes to have changed his mind and presents an extreme counter to his own argument, (that love is a reminder of our true spiritual form and should be sought above all else). He finally reveals that he's just been messing with Phaedrus in order to show him how unwieldy and unreliable the art of rhetoric can be.
Stavros
Jul 21, 2014 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Ο Δάσκαλος Λιαντίνης έλεγε για τον Πλατωνικό Φαίδρο ότι " είναι το ωραιότερο ερωτικό ποίημα της παγκόσμιας λογοτεχνίας!! Στο βαθμό που είμαι ένας επαρκής αναγνώστης, δεν βρίσκω πιο όμορφο και πιο μεγάλο κατόρθωμα στο χώρο της ερωτικής ποίησης από τον Πλατωνικό Φαίδρο. Είναι ο κατεξοχήν ερωτικός Διάλογος..."
Cassandra Kay Silva
Curious about what the great Socrates may have said about Love? Guess what! This is the dialogues for you! Also he covers what he terms the sciences (unfortunately his idea of science is mostly that of Rhetoric) and some other taunting between Socrates and Phaedrus. Always fun to read Plato I must say.
Jana Light
Jan 24, 2017 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: thinking
Maybe I shouldn't have finished Phaedrus at the airport at 10 o'clock at night while waiting for my delayed flight to arrive at the gate, but man. This was terrible, and a terrible example of the kind of philosophy available from 4th century BCE. I added a star because of its valuable place in the history of ideas and thought.

I must be super cranky today.
Marts  (Thinker)
Jan 30, 2011 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
Written by Plato, this Socratic dialogue with Phaedrus, focuses on the topics of rhetoric (as in its correct use and practice) and that of erotic love.

Yazeed AlMogren
Jun 03, 2015 rated it it was ok
كتاب لايضيف شيئًا، الغريب أن حب الغلمان كان منتشر بشدة في عصر الفلاسفة الإغريق
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(Greek: Πλάτων) (Arabic: أفلاطون) (Alternate Spelling: Platon, Platón, Platone)
Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western p
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“Love is a serious mental disease.” 942 likes
“If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellows.” 62 likes
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