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دارا و ندار | جلد دوم از دوره سه جلدی
رمان "دارا و ندار" اثر سترک ایروین شاو در دو جلد(متن اصلی) با همین عنوان و دنباله حوادث آن کتابی دیگر تحت عنوان دزد و گدا Begger and Thief منتشر شده و ترجمه فارسی آن با یک عنوان مشابه به چاپ رسیده است.نویسنده در این رمان با نگاهی نقادانه جامعه آمریکا را اعم از باورها، ارزشها و حیات امروزین آن جامعه، به تصویر میکشد. به دیگر سخن، دارا و ندار شرح زندگی یک خانواده از پیکر جامعه است که در پی یک رشته حوادث، روابط پنهان و آشکار موجود میان افراد خانواده در کنار کیفیت وجودی جامعه آمریکا ترسیم میشود . آکسل جورداش، پدر خانواده، از خیل مهاجرانی است که در سالهای بعد از جنگ جهانی اول از آلمان (به امید یافتن زندگی بهتر) رهسپار آمریکا میشود . ماری پیز همسر او، مادری است که کودکی و نوجوانی را در یتیمخانه گذرانده...
507 pages, Paperback
First published January 1, 1969
About the author
Irwin Shaw
265 books435 followersShaw was born Irwin Gilbert Shamforoff in the South Bronx, New York City, to Russian Jewish immigrants. Shaw was a prolific American playwright, screenwriter, novelist, and short-story author whose written works have sold more than 14 million copies. He is best known for his novels, The Young Lions (1948) and Rich Man Poor Man (1970).
His parents were Rose and Will. His younger brother, David Shaw (died 2007), became a noted Hollywood producer. Shortly after Irwin's birth, the Shamforoffs moved to Brooklyn. Irwin changed his surname upon entering college. He spent most of his youth in Brooklyn, where he graduated from Brooklyn College with a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1934.
Shaw began screenwriting in 1935 at the age of 21, and scripted for several radio shows, including Dick Tracy, The Gumps and Studio One.
Shaw's first play, Bury the Dead (1936) was an expressionist drama about a group of soldiers killed in a battle who refuse to be buried. During the 1940s, Shaw wrote for a number of films, including Talk of the Town (a comedy about civil liberties), The Commandos Strike at Dawn (based on a C.S. Forester story about commandos in occupied Norway) and Easy Living (about a football player unable to enter the game due to a medical condition). Shaw married Marian Edwards. They had one son, Adam Shaw, born in 1950, himself a writer of magazine articles and non-fiction.
Shaw enlisted in the U.S. Army and was a warrant officer during World War II.He served with an Army documentary film unit. The Young Lions, Shaw's first novel, was published in 1949. Based on his experiences in Europe during the war, the novel was very successful and was adapted into a 1958 film.
Shaw's second novel, The Troubled Air, chronicling the rise of McCarthyism, was published in 1951. He was among those who signed a petition asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review the John Howard Lawson and Dalton Trumbo convictions for contempt of Congress, resulting from hearings by the House Committee on Un-American Activities. Falsely accused of being a communist by the Red Channels publication, Shaw was placed on the Hollywood blacklist by the movie studio bosses. In 1951 he left the United States and went to Europe, where he lived for 25 years, mostly in Paris and Switzerland. He later claimed that the blacklist "only glancingly bruised" his career. During the 1950s he wrote several more screenplays, including Desire Under the Elms (based on Eugene O'Neill's play) and Fire Down Below (about a tramp boat in the Caribbean).
While living in Europe, Shaw wrote more bestselling books, notably Lucy Crown (1956), Two Weeks in Another Town (1960), Rich Man, Poor Man (1970) (for which he would later write a less successful sequel entitled Beggarman, Thief) and Evening in Byzantium (made into a 1978 TV movie). Rich Man, Poor Man was adapted into a highly successful ABC television miniseries in 1976.
His novel Top of the Hill, about the Winter Olympics at Lake Placid in 1980, was made into a TV movie, starring Wayne Rogers, Adrienne Barbeau, and Sonny Bono.
His last two novels were Bread Upon the Waters (1981) and Acceptable Losses (1982).
Shaw died in Davos, Switzerland on May 16, 1984, aged 71, after undergoing treatment for prostate cancer.
His parents were Rose and Will. His younger brother, David Shaw (died 2007), became a noted Hollywood producer. Shortly after Irwin's birth, the Shamforoffs moved to Brooklyn. Irwin changed his surname upon entering college. He spent most of his youth in Brooklyn, where he graduated from Brooklyn College with a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1934.
Shaw began screenwriting in 1935 at the age of 21, and scripted for several radio shows, including Dick Tracy, The Gumps and Studio One.
Shaw's first play, Bury the Dead (1936) was an expressionist drama about a group of soldiers killed in a battle who refuse to be buried. During the 1940s, Shaw wrote for a number of films, including Talk of the Town (a comedy about civil liberties), The Commandos Strike at Dawn (based on a C.S. Forester story about commandos in occupied Norway) and Easy Living (about a football player unable to enter the game due to a medical condition). Shaw married Marian Edwards. They had one son, Adam Shaw, born in 1950, himself a writer of magazine articles and non-fiction.
Shaw enlisted in the U.S. Army and was a warrant officer during World War II.He served with an Army documentary film unit. The Young Lions, Shaw's first novel, was published in 1949. Based on his experiences in Europe during the war, the novel was very successful and was adapted into a 1958 film.
Shaw's second novel, The Troubled Air, chronicling the rise of McCarthyism, was published in 1951. He was among those who signed a petition asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review the John Howard Lawson and Dalton Trumbo convictions for contempt of Congress, resulting from hearings by the House Committee on Un-American Activities. Falsely accused of being a communist by the Red Channels publication, Shaw was placed on the Hollywood blacklist by the movie studio bosses. In 1951 he left the United States and went to Europe, where he lived for 25 years, mostly in Paris and Switzerland. He later claimed that the blacklist "only glancingly bruised" his career. During the 1950s he wrote several more screenplays, including Desire Under the Elms (based on Eugene O'Neill's play) and Fire Down Below (about a tramp boat in the Caribbean).
While living in Europe, Shaw wrote more bestselling books, notably Lucy Crown (1956), Two Weeks in Another Town (1960), Rich Man, Poor Man (1970) (for which he would later write a less successful sequel entitled Beggarman, Thief) and Evening in Byzantium (made into a 1978 TV movie). Rich Man, Poor Man was adapted into a highly successful ABC television miniseries in 1976.
His novel Top of the Hill, about the Winter Olympics at Lake Placid in 1980, was made into a TV movie, starring Wayne Rogers, Adrienne Barbeau, and Sonny Bono.
His last two novels were Bread Upon the Waters (1981) and Acceptable Losses (1982).
Shaw died in Davos, Switzerland on May 16, 1984, aged 71, after undergoing treatment for prostate cancer.
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January 27, 2022
În cel de-al doilea volum, cititorul urmărește anii din viața de adult a celor trei copii din familia Jordache, părinți la rândul lor, ancorați în propriile realități. Personajul meu preferat rămâne a fi Tom, iar viața acestuia a fost pur și simplu un film - tumultoasă, cu multe căderi, dar la fel de multe reușite.
Gretchen a rămas a fi aceeași femeie pe care nu o pot compătimi, iar Rudolph pare să devină exact ceea ce și-au dorit părinții pentru el ,dar costul pe care-l plătește pare să fie mult prea mare pentru el.
Om bogat, om sărac e o lectură informativă și dacă vă pasionează cărțile despre soarta unei familii, dar și atomsfera anilor 1945-1965 în America, vă recomand să luați în calcul acest roman.
Recenzia, aici.
Gretchen a rămas a fi aceeași femeie pe care nu o pot compătimi, iar Rudolph pare să devină exact ceea ce și-au dorit părinții pentru el ,dar costul pe care-l plătește pare să fie mult prea mare pentru el.
Om bogat, om sărac e o lectură informativă și dacă vă pasionează cărțile despre soarta unei familii, dar și atomsfera anilor 1945-1965 în America, vă recomand să luați în calcul acest roman.
Recenzia, aici.
August 22, 2024
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,,Dragă Colin,începu ea,te-am căutat și nu erai acasă și nici la studio nu te-am găsit,iar eu sunt tristă pentru că nu un bărbat care mi-a fost cândva amant a spus câteva lucruri neadevărate,iar la New York e cald,Billy își iubește tatăl mai mult decât mă iubește pe mine și sunt foarte nefericită că nu ți-am auzit glasul,căci trebuia să fi fost acasă,...''🏡🥹🌜🩷🧑🏻💼🧑🏻🍼🌆🏙️🌇🌃🌉👩❤️👨🙋🏻🌝🌞
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,,Brad,care nu plecase,comandă încă un pahar.Avea fața congestionată că totdeauna.Dar era imposibil de precizat dacă starea lui se datora soarelui și căldurii sau băuturii.''-🌞🌝🏕️💟🍁🍷🍶🥤🫙🥃🍸🍹🍻🥂🍾🧑🏻💼
-Brad-Rudolph
,,Dragă Colin,începu ea,te-am căutat și nu erai acasă și nici la studio nu te-am găsit,iar eu sunt tristă pentru că nu un bărbat care mi-a fost cândva amant a spus câteva lucruri neadevărate,iar la New York e cald,Billy își iubește tatăl mai mult decât mă iubește pe mine și sunt foarte nefericită că nu ți-am auzit glasul,căci trebuia să fi fost acasă,...''🏡🥹🌜🩷🧑🏻💼🧑🏻🍼🌆🏙️🌇🌃🌉👩❤️👨🙋🏻🌝🌞
-Colin-Ea-Eu-Billy-tatăl
,,Brad,care nu plecase,comandă încă un pahar.Avea fața congestionată că totdeauna.Dar era imposibil de precizat dacă starea lui se datora soarelui și căldurii sau băuturii.''-🌞🌝🏕️💟🍁🍷🍶🥤🫙🥃🍸🍹🍻🥂🍾🧑🏻💼
-Brad-Rudolph
July 13, 2022
It’s true, alcohol is what kills people, mentally or phisically. The book ends in a sad note, focusing on the miserable effects that alcohol has in the Jordache family.
March 14, 2023
Îmi place cum a elaborat gândurile interne ale personajelor. Finalul a fost trist :(
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December 22, 2013
In my edition, this is only the second volume of Poor Man, Rich Man. To read the first volume review, please go here. I will try to round it up and refer to entire novel in this review.
It was an interesting read, light and casual, without requiring the reader to engage too much. I noticed also some cliches and some resemblance with TV series popular in the era and in the '80s. All in all it will depend more on your expectations before reading it. If you go out like me without high expectations, you may be finding things to enjoy.
Of the problems I could not overcome is the lack of a clear book message or premise. It is more a family saga trying to depict post World War II Americans, up until the 60s. But it uses a lot of typical characters to do it and this hits it hard under the belt. To conclude, in terms of novel's premise, I must rate it with a 1.
On the form element, I believe Shaw is a talented writer and his writing shows the fact that he was writing a lot of plays and movie/radio scripts. He uses very well the literary techniques of the genre and adapts them to the novel with great success. He narrates the story very well from a third person omniscient point of view, via the lenses of one of the Jordache family members. He does write well so I am rating it at form with 4.
In terms of originality I have read several novels set in the Americas '40s and '50s. The original thing about it is the unique perspective the author brings to this period. After first volume I thought Irwin's perspective of the period is original. It is so, but only in part describing the America immediately after the war. Soon after that it enters into the common cliches of American success, stock market businessmen and brilliant characters able to succeed in anything. Because of this mix, I will rate it with a 3.
The characters are mostly stereotypical. Rudy Jordache is also some kind of Gary Stu. I have the feeling that the author was somehow rushed by the editor to finish it and the second part of the novel is very hasty written with one-side characters mainly. All is faded and in a rush to bring the climax resolution, that it is not at all great. The only thing that saves it are the characters that are better and careful created in the first part of the novel. I will rate it with a 2.
Regarding the complexity and difficulty, again I think that the first part was pretty complex and hard to create. But the second one seems to be negligent put together and I have the feeling the author hoped the reader will stick with the story to find out the grand finale. All in all it was not an easy task of putting it together so I will rate it with a 4 for complexity and difficulty.
The last criteria is edition. I am forced to revise my previous statement about editor's choice of splitting the novel into two volumes, as the differences between the two halves of this work are evident. Secondly, few typos and grammar errors persisted, but significantly fewer than in the first volume. I will rate it for edition with a 4, more to compensate on the low rating I set for the first volume.
To summarize, the novel is entertaining, helping me to understand better the post World War II American society. I also understood now some of the advices I received from the elder members of my family related to my career, which seem to be highly influenced by the mini-series made after this novel. All in all, my final rating for the novel is 3.00, perfectly matching with a 3 stars on Goodreads system.
For more details on how I rated and reviewed this novel, please read these guidelines.
It was an interesting read, light and casual, without requiring the reader to engage too much. I noticed also some cliches and some resemblance with TV series popular in the era and in the '80s. All in all it will depend more on your expectations before reading it. If you go out like me without high expectations, you may be finding things to enjoy.
Of the problems I could not overcome is the lack of a clear book message or premise. It is more a family saga trying to depict post World War II Americans, up until the 60s. But it uses a lot of typical characters to do it and this hits it hard under the belt. To conclude, in terms of novel's premise, I must rate it with a 1.
On the form element, I believe Shaw is a talented writer and his writing shows the fact that he was writing a lot of plays and movie/radio scripts. He uses very well the literary techniques of the genre and adapts them to the novel with great success. He narrates the story very well from a third person omniscient point of view, via the lenses of one of the Jordache family members. He does write well so I am rating it at form with 4.
In terms of originality I have read several novels set in the Americas '40s and '50s. The original thing about it is the unique perspective the author brings to this period. After first volume I thought Irwin's perspective of the period is original. It is so, but only in part describing the America immediately after the war. Soon after that it enters into the common cliches of American success, stock market businessmen and brilliant characters able to succeed in anything. Because of this mix, I will rate it with a 3.
The characters are mostly stereotypical. Rudy Jordache is also some kind of Gary Stu. I have the feeling that the author was somehow rushed by the editor to finish it and the second part of the novel is very hasty written with one-side characters mainly. All is faded and in a rush to bring the climax resolution, that it is not at all great. The only thing that saves it are the characters that are better and careful created in the first part of the novel. I will rate it with a 2.
Regarding the complexity and difficulty, again I think that the first part was pretty complex and hard to create. But the second one seems to be negligent put together and I have the feeling the author hoped the reader will stick with the story to find out the grand finale. All in all it was not an easy task of putting it together so I will rate it with a 4 for complexity and difficulty.
The last criteria is edition. I am forced to revise my previous statement about editor's choice of splitting the novel into two volumes, as the differences between the two halves of this work are evident. Secondly, few typos and grammar errors persisted, but significantly fewer than in the first volume. I will rate it for edition with a 4, more to compensate on the low rating I set for the first volume.
To summarize, the novel is entertaining, helping me to understand better the post World War II American society. I also understood now some of the advices I received from the elder members of my family related to my career, which seem to be highly influenced by the mini-series made after this novel. All in all, my final rating for the novel is 3.00, perfectly matching with a 3 stars on Goodreads system.
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| Criteria | Rating |
+--------------------------+-----------------+
|Premise | 1 |
+--------------------------+-----------------+
|Form | 4 |
+--------------------------+-----------------+
|Originality | 3 |
+--------------------------+-----------------+
|Characters | 2 |
+--------------------------+-----------------+
|Difficulty/Complexity | 4 |
+--------------------------+-----------------+
|Edition | 4 |
+--------------------------+-----------------+
|Total | 3.00 |
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For more details on how I rated and reviewed this novel, please read these guidelines.
March 3, 2013
Primul volum a fost mai incitant ptr mine (citit în câteva zile)
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