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Reproductive/Womens Rights > Reductions- is it murder?

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message 1: by [deleted user] (new)

reduction is when, in the case of multiple pregnancies (like triplets, quadruplets, or more) one or more fetuses are terminated. it's done to give the remaining fetuses a better chance at living healthy lives. what do you think? is it abortion? is it murder?


message 2: by [deleted user] (new)

murder.


message 3: by Liz (new)

Liz murder.


message 4: by Emma the Dork (new)

Emma the Dork (cheesehead) well duh both of you are gonna say that your pro-life!


message 5: by Chandani (last edited Jan 29, 2009 03:13PM) (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments I would say that that is a twisted version of abortion. This person does not want to abort the fetus(s) because they cannot support them, or they are not ready or they are young. They are getting rid of ONE or more of te babies that they are already going to bear! I mean thats just mean!! I am pro-choice, but that is sick. Killing one of the two babies? Just have an abortion, dont do that! Commit people commit! Become a mother or dont become a mother dont become a HALF mother!


message 6: by Eric▲ (new)

Eric▲ | 716 comments last time i checked killling was murder...


message 7: by [deleted user] (new)

yup.


message 8: by jeeves... (new)

jeeves... | 644 comments killing = murder?? nah, you're craaazy... (sarcasm.... much sarcasm...)


message 9: by [deleted user] (new)

i agree with you guys, really. i think it's terrible to kill one baby. i do not think it is worse than an abortion, tho, chandani. but, just, you know, FYI, it does make it so that the other babies have a hugely better change of living.

but i am nuetral- i dunno which side i'm on.


message 10: by Eric▲ (new)

Eric▲ | 716 comments either kill and improve survivability, or let them all live...


message 11: by [deleted user] (new)

yeah...
wait...
huh?


message 12: by Eric▲ (new)

Eric▲ | 716 comments kill, or live


message 13: by [deleted user] (new)

live!


message 14: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Landers (mnlanders) I'm not sure what to think about that... In a way, it seems kind of sick to do that. I mean, any person who has a conscience would feel horrible about it. But then again, if it gives the other child a better chance at survival... I guess it really just depends on the situation.


message 15: by [deleted user] (new)

yeah...


message 16: by Sharkgrl920 (new)

Sharkgrl920  (sharkgrl920) | 42 comments think about it if u were a mother in this situation...

have one ( or more ) baby (babies) or no children yea it would be sad but what if this is your only chance to be a mom.. and adoption is out of the question.


message 17: by Sharkgrl920 (new)

Sharkgrl920  (sharkgrl920) | 42 comments and for the child that lives they will live a healthy life instead of a sickly horrible life wwith hight chances of death... so its your OPINION but that is mine


message 18: by Liz (last edited Feb 01, 2009 09:02AM) (new)

Liz i know its off topic but i have to intervene here...
sharkgrl:
how is adoption ever out of the question?


message 19: by Emma the Dork (new)

Emma the Dork (cheesehead) yeah that doesnt make sense.....


message 20: by Sharkgrl920 (new)

Sharkgrl920  (sharkgrl920) | 42 comments um, well what if you dont belive in adoption.. i know a lot of people who dont.


message 21: by Liz (new)

Liz DON'T BELIEVE IN ADOPTION? why?


message 22: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments I dunno.


message 23: by Sharkgrl920 (new)

Sharkgrl920  (sharkgrl920) | 42 comments well some people just dont think its right to take a child away from family. if the baby/child was taken away there has to be other family avaible....


message 24: by Liz (new)

Liz that doesn't really make much sense...


message 25: by Sharkgrl920 (new)

Sharkgrl920  (sharkgrl920) | 42 comments it does if you look at it from other peoples point of view...


message 26: by Eric▲ (new)

Eric▲ | 716 comments ADOPTION=OPTION


message 27: by Sharkgrl920 (new)

Sharkgrl920  (sharkgrl920) | 42 comments ok i get it, it is an option but for some people it is not.


message 28: by Liz (new)

Liz yah Eric! I think everyone is capable of adopting and I know nobody who is antiadoption.


message 29: by Emma the Dork (new)

Emma the Dork (cheesehead) i think that taking a mother from her child and placing the children in foster homes and having the child never see there mother again is wrong. but i dont think adoption is wrong.


message 30: by Liz (new)

Liz but foster homes aren't necessarily bad; they can be good places for kids to be. it really bothers me how they are given a bad name. and kids are only taken away from parents is CPS have reason to believe the parent was treating the child poorly. and the child can see its mother in many cases.


message 31: by Emma the Dork (new)

Emma the Dork (cheesehead) that doesnt mean a kid doesnt miss there mom. thats what i am saying, not that foster homes are bad. i am sure that most of them are fine, except for the fact that kids hate being in other peoples homes. i have read books on it so i know. its not a good situation.


message 32: by Liz (last edited Feb 04, 2009 03:51PM) (new)

Liz i've been fostering babies for a few years.


message 33: by Emma the Dork (new)

Emma the Dork (cheesehead) ok


message 34: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) | 2246 comments Er, sorry to butt in. But on the news a little bit ago (I don't know if you've already heard this story) a woman, who was 25, a single mom, living with her parents recently gave birth to 8 children at once. She already had 6 children, also all born at the same time. That's more than Kath & Kate + 8 or whatever that show is called. So she has 14 children all under the age of two, and she doesn't have enough money to support herself. Her mom told her before she had the 8 children that any more babies and they would kick her out. She did it anyway.
She is now looking for a home with her 14 children. Is this not ridiculous?!


message 35: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments Wow thats crazzzy!


message 36: by Liz (new)

Liz jon and kate+8
yah i remember hearing about her. but i think her real issue was getting pregnant when a single mother. a stable family like jon and kate can handle the kids but that might not have been the best choice for a young single mother with many kids already. however, it was the doctor's fault for planting too many embryos in invitro fertilization.
that is ridiculous though.


message 37: by Liz (new)

Liz the doctor that implanted the embryos is like getting his license to do that revoked becuase a doctor is only allowed to put like three embryos in at a time and he put in eight! that woman must be awfully unresponsible to think that all on her own, she can take care of that many. and now shes homeless! i feel sorry for her becuase thats got to suck, but she also made some bad descisions.


message 38: by [deleted user] (new)

Emma the Dork wrote: "i think that taking a mother from her child and placing the children in foster homes and having the child never see there mother again is wrong. but i dont think adoption is wrong. "

emma, that is a little bit impossible. no offense or anything, im totally pro-adoption, but adoption is taking a baby from its mom and then it never seeing her again. but willingly.




message 39: by [deleted user] (new)

Riley wrote: "Er, sorry to butt in. But on the news a little bit ago (I don't know if you've already heard this story) a woman, who was 25, a single mom, living with her parents recently gave birth to 8 children..."

what i think is terrible is that all that personal info about her is al over the media. i know its important to science, but why do we need to know she's a poor single mom, living with her parents, aged 25, and already had sextuplets? its crrazy!


message 40: by [deleted user] (new)

what is reduction?


message 41: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments She was ALSO diagnosed with a grocery list of mental disorders.


message 42: by Emma the Dork (new)

Emma the Dork (cheesehead) eliza i was talking about foster kids, not adoptions.


message 43: by Sharkgrl920 (new)

Sharkgrl920  (sharkgrl920) | 42 comments my auntie is a foster parent and all the kids she takes care of are in foster care because they had "bad" parents.


message 44: by [deleted user] (new)

sharkgrl:

not all kids are in foster care because they had "bad" parents. some are there just because they are on their way to adoption. my friend's family is a foster family, and they foster babies on their way to adoptive parents. just, you know, FYI


message 45: by [deleted user] (new)

Emma the Dork wrote: "that doesnt mean a kid doesnt miss there mom. thats what i am saying, not that foster homes are bad. i am sure that most of them are fine, except for the fact that kids hate being in other peoples ..."

honey, books are not always the best resources. especially fiction. maybe you should base your foster knowledge on people you know, not fun fic. i have read about foster care, too. but i have a friend who fosters, and its totally different.




message 46: by Liz (new)

Liz Yah I foster babies (thus Eliza's comment) and I know a whole lot about it. The kids don't hate being in other people's homes, we are giving them a blessing, something to be grateful for. And the parents too. We give them time to figure out what they want to do in tough situations. Foster care isn't a bad thing, always like some books portray it to be, it is a really good thing in many cases.


message 47: by Emma the Dork (new)

Emma the Dork (cheesehead) i hate it when people call me honey, ESPECIALLY when they don't know me, and the book i read was written by a person who was IN FOSTER CARE so i am guessing she knows what its like.

please stop babying me, its pisses me off.


message 48: by Liz (last edited Feb 12, 2009 02:39PM) (new)

Liz Emma the Dork wrote: "i hate it when people call me honey, ESPECIALLY when they don't know me, and the book i read was written by a person who was IN FOSTER CARE so i am guessing she knows what its like.

please stop b..."


ouch. that was not very polite. you could have said all those things in a much nicer way. eliza meant honey in the kindest possible way im sure. i dont think anyone is babying you or trying to "piss you off".

i think we were merely saying thats one person's view, we've heard and had experiences otherwise. people have many different experiences in foster care and every situation is different.


message 49: by [deleted user] (new)

ok, so guess what, emma? i call all of my 12 and 13 year old friends honey or darling. so i wasn't babying you. im sorry i pissed you off. but you could have responded differently.

how about this? not ALL foster homes are bad, and not ALL foster kids are unhappy.


message 50: by Liz (new)

Liz yah thats just eliza.


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