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message 1: by Robin (new)

Robin So, is it just me, or is our freedom of speech being slowly taken away? No praying in schools, no endorsing a candidate from the pulpit, no giving your opinion in public, this whole radio equality thing? What's up with this? It's so totally not what America is supposed to be!

message 2: by Robin (new)

Robin Care to explain Dean?

message 3: by Vivian (new)

Vivian | 159 comments i pray outside my school every morning with a few other people.

message 4: by Court (new)

Court (bookedwithcourt) Um..Our freedom of speech and Freedom of press isn't being taken away..Praying in school has nothing to do with it. You can pray by yourself in school if you want to, or go to a school that's for kids of your religion.
And you can so give your opinion in public. How can you not? What stops you?
And I've never even heard of the Radio Equality Act..

message 5: by Robin (new)

Robin Well, Radio Equality is where they're going to REQUIRE stations to talk about the opposite view of whatever they want to talk about. For instance, Christian Radio Stations would have to put things about evolution, or homosexuality-stuff we don't believe in. That's taking away our freedom. And, haven't you heard? People aren't allowed to endorse their candidates from the pulpit. Why not? We should have that freedom, it's our freedom of speech. And, people get offended if you say something they don't agree with. You have to be careful at bookstores laughing at the books about Obama, or whatever, because, somebody could pull out a gun, and shoot you. It's not right.

And, why are teachers getting fired for having anything to do with religion? We shouldn't have to send kids to a Christian school, just so they can pray. That's freedom being taken away.

message 6: by Sam (new)

Sam Yeah, and shouldn't us kids/teens get a say in what our country does? We sure don't get a say in anything do we? No.

message 7: by Robin (new)

Robin Yeah, look at the mess this generation's getting us into? Thanks for another Economic Depression in my life time! I didn't have other plans, so thanks!
A lot of teens don't seem to care though.

message 8: by Sam (last edited Jan 23, 2009 01:59PM) (new)

Sam I do! Not that I am one.

message 9: by Robin (new)

Robin I care too!

message 10: by Sam (new)

Sam It's sad, we're almost losing the rights we can always have! Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. People aren't what they used to be.

message 11: by Robin (new)

Robin America just isn't what it's supposed to be. That's got me down.

message 12: by Sam (new)

Sam America IS what it's supposed to be. America isn't what we thought it would be. One thing is for sure, I'm proud to be an American.

message 13: by Robin (new)

Robin I'm proud to be an American too, but, a lot of people with that title, sure don't act like it. What happened to the freedoms? And the good will? And rights and privileges? Good over evil? Honesty? Good intentions? Forgiveness?

message 14: by Sam (last edited Jan 23, 2009 02:14PM) (new)

Sam The world is cruel Robin, the world is cruel. I finished a book called La Linea and it's about Mexico and the border with the fugitives trying to get to America.

message 15: by Robin (new)

Robin America IS the people though, so if the people go bad, there goes the nation. I feel like we're headed that way.

message 16: by Sam (new)

Sam I guess... I never really got into this political stuff. The founding fathers had hopes for this country, they set things up but know thing are headed for the worst. Maybe even worse than the Great Deppression.

message 17: by Court (new)

Court (bookedwithcourt) Robin wrote: "Well, Radio Equality is where they're going to REQUIRE stations to talk about the opposite view of whatever they want to talk about. For instance, Christian Radio Stations would have to put things ..."

First, having Christian Radio Stations say another side's POV is not wrong. It doesn't take away freedom. It just makes a requirement. You can still state your religion's opinion, you just have to pair it with the other side's view. Which could benefit those close-minded Christians who believe God is like a great magician.
Second, Just because you could get shot for your laughing at a book about Obama, doesn't take away your freedom to laugh at it. It just means you can laugh about it and have to face the "consequences". That is the way America is. Its like school, You can do as you Please but you have to be prepared for the consequences.
Last, What do you mean teachers are getting fired for having anything to do with religion? And YOU CAN PRAY AT SCHOOL ON YOUR OWN. But we are NOT going to have a whole friggin' praying ceremony in public schools, where kids of every race and religion attend. And, if your problem is with people getting offended(and it sounds like it is), Your being kind of selfish. I mean, the only reason their offended is because they have feelings and they strongly believe in their religions and really DO NOT want the Christian beliefs forced upon them.

message 18: by Robin (new)

Robin Exactly why I said, we aren't going to force it on them. You sound offended.
So, tell me this, why should radio stations have to present the other point of view, if they don't agree with it?
Also, who said anything about a praying ceremony? I think that was you...

And, why should I have to face consequences for speaking my mind? I mean, of course there are consequences, but nothing like that! That's wrong! And you're right, that's the way America is. You can come up and yell at me for laughing at books, that's freedom of speech too, but I shouldn't be banned from giving my view, and, I shouldn't be punished for speaking my view.

message 19: by Court (new)

Court (bookedwithcourt) I wasn't offended..I was just capz-ing for emphasis.
And I told you why they should present the other POV. So that the people listening to the station get both points of view, and aren't only aware of the one.
And the praying thing was implied when you said that kids shouldn't have to go to a school for their religion to pray at school and ignored the claims of being able to pray on your own at school. No one says you can't pray alone at school, you just can't have the whole school participate if they don't like it.
And there are consequences because: Say, hypothetically, you really hated the president. And you were some person who yelled about wanting to um...hurt him. There's a consequence for that because assainations have occured. And, you were the one who came up with the getting shot for laughing at a book.
And no one has banned you from giving your view.

message 20: by Robin (new)

Robin Well, hopefully I wouldn't be stupid enough to yell "Kill Obama!" right to his face...that would be plain stupid. :)

But, why should radio stations, that are specifically for one thing, be FORCED to give another view? That's taking away their freedom of speech. They should be able to say what they want on their station.

message 21: by Kaytrina (new)

Kaytrina | 32 comments I think freedom of speech is very important for our country.TOO much of it,I don't like,for example,when somebody who was at a McCain/Palin rally said "kill him!" when they were talking about Obama!THAT much freedom of speech is WRONG!!But I think people should,in general be able toi say whatever they want.

message 22: by Robin (new)

Robin I agree, there's a line between freedom, and no freedom, and there's also a line in freedom, about right and wrong.

message 23: by Sam (new)

Sam Yeah, there is. Along with the freedom of speech thing, these days you have to be careful what you say. That takes away from the freedom of speech.

message 24: by Court (new)

Court (bookedwithcourt) Robin wrote: "Well, hopefully I wouldn't be stupid enough to yell "Kill Obama!" right to his face...that would be plain stupid. :)

But, why should radio stations, that are specifically for one thing, be FORCED ..."

They ARE allowed to say their opinion. They just also have to state the OTHER SIDE'S opinion. And if you have a complaint about it..it should be more along the lines of not-wanting-to-contradict yourself.

message 25: by Robin (new)

Robin so, you agree, that it's alright to FORCE somebody to say something they don't want to say? You honestly think that's not taking away your freedom of speech? That's like, forcing me to go around saying, "evolution is true" when I don't think so.

message 26: by Court (new)

Court (bookedwithcourt) You're not going around saying that. Your on a radio station that is broadcasted to everyone, and not just other Christians. You could saying something like "I believe.....while the others say..."

message 27: by Koori no hi (last edited Jan 25, 2009 12:02PM) (new)

Koori no hi i think that America is changing. look at the other hot topics posted: gun control laws, church & state separation, these are things that our founding fathers set up for OUR benefit and here are people who don't care about whats happening & vote for us to loose our freedoms. Then there's things like abortion, gay marriage, and the porn industry that our founding fathers and even our great/grandparents would never have dreamed that we would stoop to such extreme lows. America has definitely changed. IT IS UP TO US TO PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS!!! AND UP TO US TO HEAL THIS COUNTRY!!!

message 28: by Robin (new)

Robin But we can't do it alone, I mean, look at all the people who've tried to fix this country up by themselves. It just doesn't work. America needs God again.

message 29: by Diana (new)

Diana  (higura_natume) | 318 comments we CAN say what we want

what i don't get is why we get punished for it

if i think that popular chick is being a b**** i think i have every right to say so without being punished

message 30: by Robin (new)

Robin You can state your opinion, but why are we being forced to give the other opinion as well? We have freedom to say what we want, and if you force me to say something I don't want, that's taking away my freedom of speech.

message 31: by Diana (new)

Diana  (higura_natume) | 318 comments yeah i guess

but if that info can save a ton of people, i think it's worth it

message 32: by Robin (new)

Robin Well, Yeah, if it's something like, "I don't think people should go to the doctor when they're coughing up blood, but some people say that this is a very bad sign..."

message 33: by Koori no hi (new)

Koori no hi well I think freedom of speach only goes so far. there is nothing - according to federal law - that you are not allowed to soy. but on the other hand there are lots of things you shouldn't say, even if no one is going to punish you for saying them. it all comes down to a person's morals.

message 34: by Robin (new)

Robin yep, I agree

message 35: by ♥ Rachel♥ (new)

♥ Rachel♥   (i_got_a_jar_of_dirt) | 2196 comments i think that we shouldn't b forced 2 say anything against our pov. but i think we should learn about the other pov-exactly what they want, what they think this will do in long/short term, and y they think this way

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