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William
I don't want them together because in my opinion he needs a real WOMAN and not a child. That's not only her age but everything. When they are together, they behave like children. They are better in a brother/sister relationship.I also cannot see how someone like Gilly could be attractive in William's eyes.
It's just all kinds of wrong and boring.
Gilly should find a nice young man and William a woman who is in his league.
I also see no (sexual) chemistry there.
If Gena went there, it would definitely ruin William in my opinion. I'm just glad he's not among my fave characters.
We all have to agree to disagree. I personally cannot see how anyone would want them together.
Brother/sister relationship? When they keep ogling each other and have waaaaay more physical proximity than any other siblings I know? I'm not sure about that. Don't get me wrong Gilly can be a bit annoying,at one part in Amun's story,Amun read her mind and it went something like "We belong together"(She was thinking about Will) Who says stuff like that? People with stalking tendencies that's who.
Does that mean William will have a stalker child on his heels? Oh hell! But dream on, Gilly! LMAOI don't see the problem with the sibling relationship.
I also think William loses his appeal whenever he is with Gilly. He becomes so silly.
I can see why you would think that. In Paris's story,Will,Paris and Gilly were talking and Will was about to say 'shit' and instead he said 'crap' for Gilly's sake. You cannot have sex with someone you can't say 'shit' in front of. Still I'm hoping we could have a little more scenes with Will/Gilly in the next book,to see if there are any improvements :)
Guess we just have to wait and see how it develops.I still wonder if his book will be part of the Lords. Gena never really talks about that. Hmmm...
Do you think he might become part of the Angels series?
I'm not sure. Up till now Will had a lot more 'affinities' with the lords but like you said 'Guess we just have to wait and see how it develops'
That's why I was thinking he'd be part of the LOTU but Gena only talks about Cameo and Torin when it comes to the rest of the books. And since William will be in Beauty Awakened... He could be part of both series.
Yup,that makes sense. Plus if he DOES end up with Gilly ( I know she's kinda bizarre but I reaaaaally want them together),that'll give her time to..'mature' ( does that make any sense?) It'll give her time to grow up a little and stop acting like stalker/infatuated child..
Im with you Yossra. I want them together and I think William needs someone he can be softer with and unguarded. It's all in how she writes it I think.
My own two cents: the sweet innocent heroine can work, but it has to be done really well. With a character as complex as William, Gena will pretty much be walking a razor's edge to get it just right. I don't know what would work well for him. A badass chick who can hold her own in any situation (someone like Anya) or someone sweet and nice but WITH powers (like Olivia) or someone sweet without anything going for them, like Gilly (but who does bring all his protective instincts to the fore).
I think someone who could go toe to toe with him and not wilt at his anger and also be able to protect themselves in a fight would be best. Gilly might wilt or she might not. She's still too young to have developed her personality. Or any fighting skills. Plus she is human.
Still, if that is what Gena wants, then I am sure she'll come up with something. At least for the human part.
I just think it'd be a nice change. This series has so many strong willed Anya type heroines that it gets dull. Yes I like that type but an ordinary girl can kick butt and still be soft and sweet. An Anya type only when protecting her man would be nice. Sort of like Maddox's story only better because you know Gilly has more bite.
Sarah ♥ Vutch forever ♥ wrote: "I still wonder if his book will be part of the Lords. Gena never really talks about that. Hmmm... Do you think he might become part of the Ang..."
I'm curious too but as long as he gets a book, sometime, somehow, I'm happy. Even if it were full of hobbits I'd read it.
I totally agree with you Steph! (Can I call you Steph? We both like Gilly so we're practically sisters..or not) Let the ordinary abused girl get the hot guy for a change! Seriously,William needs someone he wants to protect (Gilly) but doesn't HAVE to,if that makes any sense...
Yossra wrote: "I'm reading posts and I noticed a lot of people don't want William and Gillian to end up together. I don't understand why you wouldn't want William and Gilly together. Is it because she's too young..."She's an interesting character for me. The immaturity thing can be easily overcome. Just write her growing up a bit, give us more of her backstory, and tweak the relationship with William, make it more equal. It can be done well.
Also, I LIKE that William changes around Gilly. If she's going to be the one for him, he should treat her differently than anyone else. She seems to affect him and to get to his softer side.
Yes, Yossra. Steph is fine. Lol. And we are practically sisters. I think she appears weak because of her aged but a traumatic past could make an interesting story line.
I don't know if they will be paired up but its what I wish. According to the books and their side stories it just seems it was laying the ground for their book. If they are not a couple I would be like, "(dang) what was all that build up for?"I think that if they get their book that would be their story Gilly actually seeing who William really is. Her fighting for her man. And William cursing in front of her and letting her know who he really is plus defeating the whole curse that William.
Its okay to disagree but I really loooove William and I really like reading about him and Gilly together. I am looking forward to their book if they get one if William is paired with someone else I don't know I might not read it because I just don't see anyone else that William actually cares for. But I think his book will be after the rest of the original Lords.
Goge, wrote: "Lulu wrote: "Jessica, I agree that authors often pander to readers but Skylar/Dimitri didn't have a history of friendship in the Dark series. Skylar has been in the series since Gabriel's book. Di..."I also love Skyler and Dimitri its been so long their story needs to be told. I agree its been years she is grown up come on give us their book please.
Anna (Bananas!) wrote: I'm curious too but as long as he gets a book, sometime, somehow, I'm happy. Even if it were full of hobbits I'd read it."LOL, I agree. I do want to see William with Gilly though. At this point, it looks like it's going to be a bit of a wait what with Kane, then Cameo, then Torin's books next. Could be years. :(
Gena about a book for William.He's a big player in Kane's book, and I would love to tell his story one day. Right now, he's not in the line up, though (and if I'm remembering correctly, he's not yet under contract) But I will let you guys know the moment that changes!
Lulu wrote: "LOL, I agree. I do want to see William with Gill..."Years is good. That gives more time to Gilly to grow up.
Though William needs to be there a lot in the other books.
Sarah ♥ Vutch forever ♥ wrote: "Gena about a book for William.He's a big player in Kane's book, and I would love to tell his story one day. Right now, he's not in the line up, though (and if I'm remembering correctly, he's not ..."
Wow, I had always assumed that Williams would eventually get a book so it's kind of shocking that he isn't in her mental line up and isn't yet under contract for the future. I think he eventually will but it could be years.
Sarah ♥ Vutch forever ♥ wrote: "Gena about a book for William.He's a big player in Kane's book, and I would love to tell his story one day. Right now, he's not in the line up, though (and if I'm remembering correctly, he's not ..."
Thanks for the info Sarah :)
Lulu wrote: "Wow, I had always assumed that Williams would eventually get a book so it's kind of shocking that he isn't in her mental line up and isn't yet under contract for the future. I think he eventually will but it could be years."When talking about future books Gena only mentions Cameo and Torin. I always assumed this would be the last books in the LOTU series and William might be part of a different series. The Angels maybe?
The Angels series would make some sense, but it would be odd to me for William to get his HEA without Anya and Lucien and the others from the LOTU series involved in a big way.
This makes sense but at the moment I don't have another idea. But maybe Gena's contract for the LOTU will be renewed.
Maybe William can be a part of a new series. It can't be with the Horsemen since one of them is spoken for, but maybe he can share with... I dunno. Somebody. Or it can be a series about William period. If its not under contract yet, anything is possible. God I hope for a William series, coz that means no HEA in one book.
Clearly he's a fan favorite but since he's not a LOTU I don't see him getting his HEA in that series. I see a spinoff. Or at least I'm hoping for another spinoff. Or a stand alone at least.
Whatever we get is fine with me as long as we get William's story with Gilly.
LOLYou know I hope for the opposite!
LOL Sorry Sarah, I'm with Adoore;)
Sarah ♥ Vutch forever ♥ wrote: "LOLYou know I hope for the opposite!"
me too :) but i know its not gonna happen.
coz Gena writes borderline PNR. She has been building up William and Gilly's relationship for several books now. She would not have invested so much into it if she was not going somewhere with it. It might be that William kills Gilly to protect himself, and there is a whole, she suffers thus grows up arc. Followed by a bring her back to life arc. But I think William killing her is highly unlikely.
But Gilly will have a very important role in William's book. Anya's will be smaller coz she has been losing word space. Since its PNR, only one woman gets to be important in one book (Legion is an exception though). So most probably, William will end up with Gilly. As with Legion there is a chance that he won't, but since she already loves him, and he seems to really care for her, I think he's stuck.
William would not give up his life (considering the bits and pieces we know about the prophecy) for someone he met yesterday. In a way, this makes more sense. He might just trust her enough after years of knowing her. Which is why it makes sense for his book to come out after a few other books.
Was that too much rambling??
But he could break her heart by not having the same feelings, a while later she gets a book, he gets a book. Don't worry, I always enjoy your 'rambling'. :-)
Arushi wrote: "coz Gena writes borderline PNR. She has been building up William and Gilly's relationship for several books now. She would not have invested so much into it if she was not going somewhere with it. ..."I agree that this is very likely the case. And, no you didn't ramble. :)
Gena's spent time, quite a bit of it, on setting up William/Gilly so Gilly is going to factor into William's book in a big way.
Mᴀʟ {67 Dᴀʏs Tɪʟʟ Lᴏᴠᴇʀ Aᴛ Lᴀsᴛ} wrote: "...I feel like the only one who doesn't want Gilly and William to end up together. Sorry."Don't have to be sorry :) I don't particularly want Gilly and William to be together. But I can see why they might - considering all the build-up in the books. I just want to see a LOT of character development. William is interesting and Gilly has a lot of potential.
@Sarah - Thats true. He tells her to move on, she does, and he pines for a while before he moves on as well. That sounds rational :) Is PNR rational :P Always glad to ramble for you then!
@Lulu - Yep! and thanks! I just hope she is huge factor in his book, rather than the female lead. Coz as a human, she is going to have a hard time in becoming his equal.
@Arushi - Knowing Gena's style, I'm going to guess we'll find out that Gilly has some secret, hidden power or gift that has been suppressed. Or, maybe she'll be gifted with some ability or power by one of the Gods. I'm thinking of Danika and Sienna in particular and their stories, so Gilly could turn out to be uber-powerful.
I can't see that child ever becoming equal to William. But yeah, since she can't stay mortal yada yada... She becomes immortal... yada yada... *sighs* Always the same!
If she does that I hope at least William's backstory is interesting.
I guess that's why it's romance. There is a formula and readers of this genre have expectations that have to be met. Otherwise, it might just be classified as fantasy or general fiction.But, I also understand that that formula can be frustrating. Writers probably would like to step outside the formula occasionally but when they do, they get beat down.
Did you see that Lara Adrian is trying something different with her Midnight Breed series? Advancing the timeline 20 years? Which I thought was pretty cool of her to do.
I saw that but I might quit that series. I always hated her romance because it was really, really bad and full of clichés. As far as I can see she now has another bunch of characters and we get the same again. Kind of sad since the world was intriguing. I'm quitting more and more PNR series and have lots of UF series in my TBR pile. Unfortunately it seems to be normal to have a (predictable) HEA there as well. Is that a rule for UF?
The HEA is not a rule for UF. UF tends to be more about the world building, very intricate and detailed. The relationships take a back seat, the romance definitely takes a back seat and can carry on for several books. UF might be more suited to you right now. Authors like Patricia Briggs and Ilona Andrews for example might be good choices.I have heard reference to a sub-genre of UF called Urban Fantasy Romance (UFR) where the romance is more front and center, as opposed to traditional UF where the romance is definitely in the background. The BDB is probably more UFR now. It's not really romance any more and not completely UF since it doesn't have the detailed world building and story arcs. Night Huntress seems like it would qualify too as UFR.
I've read Ilona Andrews and some other UF. But they ALL had a romance and you knew from the first book who the heroine would end up with. I was always thinking "Can't we get over that? Get together and let me enjoy the next 10 books." Damn, why are the worlds in PNR and UF so awesome?!?!
There is the Anita Blake series which I haven't ever read. After 15 or 20 something books, she still isn't with anyone (which is why I've never read it lol!)Have you tried Patricia Briggs Mercy Thompson series? Jim Butcher's Harry Dresden?
Same with the guys. PNR and UF have some of the most awesome males but then they get emascualted and lose their appeal. It's a shame. Maybe William should stay single. LOL
Hahahaha!Sorry, Mal!
We were speculating if William's book (if/when he gets one) will be part of the LOTU, the Angels or a new series.
Then we got slightly off-topic.
Agree I think he should be in the Lotu series since he has been such a big part in it, I can't really see him in the Angel series either.. Maybe it's going to be a stand alone or a new series.. I hope that Gena continues the Lotu seris and brings back the others like Baden and Pandora.
Lulu wrote: "There is the Anita Blake series which I haven't ever read. After 15 or 20 something books, she still isn't with anyone (which is why I've never read it lol!)Have you tried Patricia Briggs Mercy ..."
LOL! You got a detail wrong. Anita Blake is with everyone. In the initial books she was not really with anyone, but now, there is a whole harem :)
@Sarah - I think the main difference is in the plot too. In UF there is a seperate plot. In PNR getting the guy and girl together is the plot (usually).
Arushi wrote: "Lulu wrote: "There is the Anita Blake series which I haven't ever read. After 15 or 20 something books, she still isn't with anyone (which is why I've never read it lol!)Have you tried Patricia ..."
My sister was reading a book one day and due to lack of reading material and curiosity I decided to steal it for some quick reading, the book was pretty thick though, and it turned out to be a book from the Anita Blake series. What you said... It's true. She had a whole harem.. *eyes go kabonkers* I think that scarred me a little:p That's the only one I read from her and I didn't finish reading it all the way because I was in too much shock at the harem idea. (I was in high school and still oblivious of poly-relationships, ick). I don't like when there are more Hs than h and vice versa. Although, Sunny's books are an exception. She's good though. Sucked me into a world where the main lady has more than one guy. I'm usually repulsed by such status quo. And aside from her, I'm unwilling to let anyone else sucker me into a more than one H and h series/novel. I do hear the Anita Blake series is good though. But I am completely unwilling to venture into another setting like that. The only reason why I'm suckered by Sunny is because I LOVE the characters and they seem so amazing with the h. Otherwise, I would've said fudge No.
What I would like to know are your reasons for NOT wanting Willy&Gilly please :)