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To Kill a Mockingbird
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In my opinion, these words, are referring if you want to know the feeling or who really is a person you have to know her/his past history or a minimum try to be a bit empathic with this person, because you cannot judge the personality of him/her if you don't know why he/she act in this way.
I think the best moment when I applied was when I was in high school and I had a classmate with problems in his house he doesn't live with his parents. So he is a little bit violent or angry. He always look for fights but nobody wants problems with him, but in that time, I didn't know his life or about his problems I just saw him from fights to fights and I began to think the worst of him and also I started to wish he ejected of my school but one day I have to do a group work with him, and when I met him, I almost felt, his same feelings. So I learned I don't have to jugde someone if I don't know the reasons...
I think the best moment when I applied was when I was in high school and I had a classmate with problems in his house he doesn't live with his parents. So he is a little bit violent or angry. He always look for fights but nobody wants problems with him, but in that time, I didn't know his life or about his problems I just saw him from fights to fights and I began to think the worst of him and also I started to wish he ejected of my school but one day I have to do a group work with him, and when I met him, I almost felt, his same feelings. So I learned I don't have to jugde someone if I don't know the reasons...
For me this mean that each person have different thinking, opinions, reactions, and is difficult to understand all people, I think we couldn´t understand the person´s feeling if we don´t give the opportunity to know what happening with this person, why does she or he react in this way, we should try to talk with them, and give them our help because the best moment for help other is when there are problems, or difficulties.I applied that in my family, was with my cousin she was my classmate, and had 14 years old, lived with her parents, so one day I remember she was crying, I asked her why was she crying, she told me that her parents didn´t understand her because she wanted more attention of them, but the problem was her parents worked all day and they hadn´t given the attention necessary to her, so I told with her parents what was happening to their daughter, and they said that they was going to try to change the situation, and fortunately they resolved the problem. I think the dialogue is very important to know the real problem and try to help.
I think that it means that if you want to understand a person, you have to put in her/his place to understand her/his feelings, thoughts, and so to help them if they have a problem or something.I had a classmate in 7º grade, she was that kind of person who are angry if they are funny with her, also she was very serious. She was not my frien, but we used to talk once in while. One day she told me that she sometimes couldn't get along with her mother, and also that her mother never understood her (she didn't tell me more details) and I asked about her father and she said that he died when she was 3 years old. She suffered much about that because she didn't grow up with him.
We should not judge people without knowing them and I think we should put in their place because only then we will know the reason for which that person is that way
I think this beautiful phrase teaches us that one would understand the other only when passing or think the same way after spending the samenever to judge people without knowing the reason for his behavior or thought
I remember that recently had a mate who cried every day, my other classmates made fun of her not knowing the why of his behavior, One day I went over to talk to ask what was wrong ,at first she's said nothing but then confidently told me that his grandmother had died a short time and that was the only one who took care of it
On hearing this I felt bad because I also lost two years ago my grandmother, I'll sit in the wrong time sometimes want to be alone and mourn
In my opinion this phrase, do reference to necessity of passed the situation to understand, first you should have put in the others place to understand or to learn, and have your own perpestive about it, Because it's difficult try to understand, wait or go next to the person and create a conversation, it's more easy judge, but you run the risk, you can be wrong, ...! maybe we need, Know very well the situacion and then think what we can do respect that or what is it in our posibilities to do! I applied this Phrases recently, I have a New Classmate, he join to my group, that's Ok, but,somenthing was strange for me about his situacion, he was very violent , sometimes he dozzed off in the class, every day he pass chating in the class, and he go out to smoke, and his mother gave his money he didn't value that, and he escape of class, and one day I reproof him, what happen with you with this attitude you can't pass to the next course, and he looked very well for me, I told me his history he said me , he know the lady who he was living, she didn't was his true mother , he has a lot of problem in his house, his mother didn't hear him, he considered nobody can understand him! it was a surprise, for me, but it's a difficult situation! Finally I feel well, because I try to put me in his place, and talk a lot of with him, I gave him a lot reason to try to do in good way the thing for the lady who with a lot of sacrifice fight for him to grown! and she gave all to him!
Rosana :we should try to talk with them, and give them our help because the best moment for help other is when there are problems, or difficulties.yeah! I agree with you , I considered the best way is the dialogue, talking try to solve the situation, how people as civilized, put in others service, it's a good contribution , what we can do for others!
liz : minimum try to be a bit empathic with this person, because you cannot judge the personality I Liked this phrase,! yeah! we have to accept the others, don't judge if we didn't know minimun his or her history, try to share with them, try with polite,! how human being caracterized to be social by nature, and the appearances can be do your judgment wrong
I think -in easy words- he was referring to the moment when we enter into the body of the other, considering what he/she has crossed until there, analyzing each part of what we know about his/her life and trying to find the answer of his/her behavior.I can say I realized this meaning since UTC.
Well, mostly in my life it is applied in fighting moments or during strong discussions, situations in which I should change of body, mind and soul to do the right thing. Listening to what the other person wants to say is better than shutting up the one who is discussing you, I mean, which is better? Winning a discussion or losing a partner?
Usually most of us don't care about fellow's opinions but it is the right time to apply Atticus' sentence.
Diplomacy is one word we don't hear much nowadays, in my life I try to apply this word, which has a great meaning.
Andrea wrote: "I think that it means that if you want to understand a person, you have to put in her/his place to understand her/his feelings, thoughts, and so to help them if they have a problem or something.I ..."
"We should not judge people without knowing them and I think we should put in their place because only then we will know the reason for which that person is that way"
This is right, but the problem begins when we are in the same situation and we also want to be heard. So, it ins't that easy, it is more complicate because when we are upset because of some reason we just think in our feelings, it is a habit in each person. A dialogue between unstable persons could not be as one with stable people in; I think people treat is more than an exchange of words, it is a process in which each one is involving his/her own soul.
Well, I think he wanted to say with those words that nobody can know what the other person is feeling, by what situation is he or she passing until you investigate or been in their places which make her or him act in a strange way. Only you can know why they are acting badly or strange if you talk or ask what are their problems, not just to judge him or her without know what happened or is happening to them. I remember when I had a friend who came to live near my house. She was 2 years older than me, and some days after we met we start to play together. One day a realized that my favorite doll wasn`t between my toys... I got very angry and I didn`t know who took my doll. Days after she didn`t come to play with me, and I decided to go to her house to know what happened to her. When I went, I found her playing with my doll, I didn`t know what to say and I got angry with her and I said to her that I don`t want her to return to my house. I changed my mind when my mother told me that she doesn`t have a father and mother, she only lived with her grandmother and she doesn`t have toys to play. I felt very sad and I decided to give her the half of my toys. I told her that it was wrong what she did and she promised me that she wouldn’t do it anymore. That`s the only thing I could do and I felt happier after that.
Nobody really can know why the person is doing things like that until know the reason.
I agree with Rosana in the part she wrote: I think the dialogue is very important to know the real problem and try to help. It`s true that because the dialogue, the communication is very important to know and find the problems. You always have to talk with the person who is in a bad situation, ask him or her what is the problem and what can we do to help them. it`s difficult to do that, but we can do it… we can try to help them not just judge them by their way of live.
Raquel wrote: In my opinion this phrase, do reference to necessity of passed the situation to understand, first you should have put in the others place to understand or to learn, and have your own perpestive about it,…I think the same… we should have to think that they are passing by something bad, we should think that if we are in the same situation maybe we could act in the same way… so it`s very important first to try to understand them and then to help them if we can.
Well, it's a phrase common that we sometimes use for something, so its referring maybe about our personality, because when a person are in a place, or have some problems, and you look at him/her, you never really understand what do they feel, that's obviously, so, we sometimes judge the person so bad, but we really don't know what happen to him/her, so, I mean, that we have to be in their places, if we can, ask them, because we don't know if that could happen with us, sometimes, we have to help a person, and don't look at the things that we can receive, only think in our good heart, ecause some day, we going to have all things that we give, so, we have to think more about, we have to know more about the person for not to judge badly.
This means that we must try to think about and understand the situation and feelings the person is having now, how are we going to feel if we were him, how are we going to react, and what should we do. In one word, sympathy. (It could be "empathy" too but there's a difference)I try to follow this wise sentence daily, because I see that people are obviously different, they didn't have the same way of acting and thinking, so for understanding why do they say or act like that, I must put myself on their shoes. In an easy and neat example, with my parents. They work a lot, and I would like to pass more time with them, but I understand that they do it for my own good, I mean, I mustn't annoy them about something where I perceive perfectly that they're doing their best, or they will think that they are doing it wrong when it's all right, because this is how I would react if I were in this kind of trouble. But that's not my case, and there's the posibility of that their reaction could be different than mine, but I'm considering it from a subjective way. It should be objective but when feelings are involved it stops being so.
Gosh, I hope to be clear.
Raquelgonzalez wrote: "In my opinion this phrase, do reference to necessity of passed the situation to understand, first you should have put in the others place to understand or to learn, and have your own perpestive abo...""necessity of passed the situation to understand"
I agree with the rest and I know what you're trying to say, but I disagree with this exact phrase, because that's the point: to understand the feelings of somebody who's going through something hard, without having been there. Nobody is born with that ability, that's something that we must learn.
Rociog wrote: "I think -in easy words- he was referring to the moment when we enter into the body of the other, considering what he/she has crossed until there, analyzing each part of what we know about his/her l..."I agree with you Rocio, the question that you asked is really important because in the majority of the situation we always want to have the reason, and we don´t want to hear the opinion of other or the criticisms, we sometimes act without think that there are opinions or constructive criticism that could help us to be better.
I think this words is about you can't undertand why the person acts in the form how you don't like or maybe how you like if you don't not about his life ,if you don't not who he or she is you only know the person not when you know his name is when you know his family and his life.When I are one new student in the school I need start over and this is really dificult because I see my new companions and I have the firts impression only of Dany was bad but I don't said for he nothing but when I speak whit he when the teacher force myself I meet he ,her family and he are my best friend until now.
Rosana wrote: "For me this mean that each person have different thinking, opinions, reactions, and is difficult to understand all people"
I like that you said.. It's really difficult to understand all the people in this world, but it is possible if you listen more and speak less.
I like that you said.. It's really difficult to understand all the people in this world, but it is possible if you listen more and speak less.
Kathia wrote: "I think this beautiful phrase teaches us that one would understand the other only when passing or think the same way after spending the same
never to judge people without knowing the reason for his behavior or thought"
I said the same.. we have to be more emphatic with the society :D
never to judge people without knowing the reason for his behavior or thought"
I said the same.. we have to be more emphatic with the society :D
Camila wrote: "Well, I think he wanted to say with those words that nobody can know what the other person is feeling, by what situation is he or she passing until you investigate or been in their places which make her or him act in a strange way"That's so true, Camila, because we have to know about the person, sometimes they have a lot of problems and we judge them, although we don't know about their life, we criticize them.
Elina wrote: "I think this words is about you can't undertand why the person acts in the form how you don't like or maybe how you like if you don't not about his life ,if you don't not who he or she is you only ..."Yes Elina you are right, because know the person´s name or where he or she lives is not the only thing to know all about the person, you have to know the personality, the feeling of each person,and not judge the appearence, we don´t know if this person is having a bad situation, and need our help.
This is one of the most famous phrases; you'll never feel the same until you're in his skin...That's true, but it's so difficult to practice it. Sometimes to understand someone, you must be on her place.. You will never have the same thinking, because you don't live as the other person, you don't know the past of him, neither the reason of why is thinking and doing what he does. I think any person couldn't do it, you should have a special feeling, and show that others are important to you.I think I try to understand the people in this way, I have friends that get angry easily or they have to scream to call the attention of us, but I know their family , their education because they receive it from home... I try to analyze it and I see how they may feel and why their behavior is so because if at home they don't receive love, what they're going to show outside home...
Liz said ''...you cannot judge the personality of him/her if you don't know why he/she acts in this way'' . We have the bad habit to judge what we see, but not to analyze it. All behavior has a reason, so we must know the person before talk about him or her...Rosana said ''I think the dialogue is very important to know the real problem and try to help''. This is very important to the person , to talk , to say what happens. Sometimes we need someone to hear us, and someone to understand us...
juana said: Sometimes we need someone to hear us, and someone to Understand us ...the human being goes through several moments in life whether good or bad, and needs of others who heard him advise and make you feel better
but sometimes prefers to be alone to think and reason things out
rossana wrote:I think the dialogue is very important to know the real problem and try to help.
is true , through dialogue allows you to understand most other people, to listen, know what you think and thus know how to help
Well actually, this phrase for me, means that you won't understand that person's thinking, acting and all of those until it happens to you. Or maybe, you have to think first of what's going on with that person. It happened to me at school.. As usually.
There was a classmate, he was very bullied because of the way he was.
He was always like alone, very quiet in class. I never understood why he never deffended himself after something maybe a little bit the same that he suffered happened to me. After that, I always think first after giving my point of view of the things.
Rosana wrote: "For me this mean that each person have different thinking, opinions, reactions, and is difficult to understand all people, I think we couldn´t understand the person´s feeling if we don´t give the o..."I really agree with this. about the dialogue. We shan't judge people until we actually realise what they're feeling. We must talk to them, try to help if we can, and not giving a fake-point of view.
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Atticus said this to Scout when she was feeling really bad about her situation with her teacher. I'd like you all to first explain what he is referring to (in your own words) and then give an example from your lives in which you feel (felt) this applies (applied). Don't forget to comment on your classmates' ideas too!