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There are tons of musicians who follow this as well. Conor Oberst, who has depression and has been medicated (and self-medicated), but he still writes and everything... it's just his music isn't quite as depressing and full of death as it used to be. Part of that might be that he's growing up now. Max Bemis of Say Anything is bipolar and is probably more successful now that he's been medicated than he was before... I'd like to think that's because the medication makes it easier for the band members to deal with him AND because the medication helps balance him and helps him focus. Emilie Autumn, who recently published her part-autobiography and part-fiction (we think) novel, The Asylum for Wayward Victorian Girls (which I strongly recommend) is also bipolar. I think being medicated can help the person to an extent. I don't think creativity is limited to people with mental illnesses, and I don't think people who are medicated for it will completely lose it... I have this silly idea that mental illnesses are just a part of who we are, and the medication simply makes living more bearable... and motivates the person to actually being creative instead of lying in bed for weeks on end...
This isn't something I've studied though, but I do find it interesting. I see more people who do music with mental illnesses, probably because in their songs they reference it... so I'm not sure that helps you or not.
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There are a lot of folks for whom meds are absolutely necessary, though not sufficient without therapy, to have any kind of quality of life or even to stay alive at all; and as Caitlin notes, the idea that treating an illness with meds would kill a person's creativity is not true, but rather, it's often the case that by allowing him/her to function, it enables that creativity to be expressed. That's another area it would be interesting to research.
It would also be interesting to study the interaction between creativity, illness, and non-medical interventions like psychotherapy and mutual-help recovery programs such as the 12-step groups. I've known artists, writers, and musicians who, along with not being miserable, were pretty productive while engaged in counseling and recovery programs.
I've seen one other thing in 12-step folks that I find intriguing, though it isn't related to creative activities. A lot of people with addictions seem to have a lot of the characteristics of the Cluster B personality disorders when they first get into recovery, particularly the borderline and/or antisocial PDs, but also the narcissistic and histrionic. Over time, though, the ones who are really thorough about working their recovery programs seem to get less and less personality-disordered.
Another factor that comes into play is PTSD. A lot of the intense and wrenching material in the arts - poetry and fiction, music, and visual arts - is sparked and fueled by trauma. There is also a strong correlation between severe PTSD and what look like symptoms of the borderline and histrionic PDs, whether the person involved is especially creative or not. In the lives of several people with whom I've had the opportunity to do prolonged work on their PTSD, as they achieved relief from the PTSD symptoms, the personality-disordered-looking patterns diminished and went away too.

I agree with James in that medications are absolutely necessary, and that they allow the "expression" of one's creativity. Persons with schizophrenia, like myself, do experience grand delusions, and persons with other disorders may experience extreme hallucinations. The average mentally healthy person will never experience these mental states. Hence, forms of creativity could come from our "unique" experiences.
Nonetheless, when I was ill, I could neither work nor independently take care of myself. Only after I received treatment was I able to complete my university studies and write my manuscript.

Throw in the fact that I'm also a recovering alcoholic and the 12-step programs didn't exist for all those millennia either, not until 75 years ago, and the image of what my life would have been in any other time is heartbreaking.
And finally, I have to recognize that in most of the world, people are not much better off in those regards than a thousand years ago, and I know how lucky I am to live where recovery programs and psychiatric treatment are available.
Google "Sylvia Plath Effect"...very interesting.

Also, about medications, I highly recommend reading Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker. This is not to in any way claim that they are not useful, and I would especially never tell another person what his/her own experience has been. However, working in the mental health system, I can tell you that psychotropic medications are ABSOLUTELY overused and ABSOLUTELY disable thousands of people, keeping them from being not just creative, but from inhabiting their own lives at all. As a patient of several decades, I can tell you that the medications never helped me and my brain, especially memory and being able to order thoughts, was damaged by ECT; my brain was NOT made more creative.
And as just a tiny factoid, people around the world without access to "modern treatment" tend to recover more quickly and more fully than we in the US do.
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I believe that many brain/mind "illnesses" can result in expressions of artistic creativity or philosophical/spiritual insight, and that many of humankind's greatest individuals have tested their mettle by coping with their disorder. Even personality disorders lend themselves to characteristics commonly seen in notable people of history, although sometimes with negative or disastrous consequences. While Stalin or Hitler easily come to mind as extreme examples of psychopathy, the fictional character Scarlett O'Hara would cease to be without her histrionics.
Question: Whether biographical, historical or even fictional, what books, individuals or characters describe or highlight a connection between mental or brain disorders and creativity or greatness?
Additional Topic of Discussion: By therapeutic or pharmaceutical intervention, are we hindering creative expression?
I'll start off with one such example, "Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament" by Kay Redfield Jamison.