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Ho hum with such an in depth spoiler I could skip the first story and start with Big Driver. Sorry guys for sounding so negative but that was not what I was expecting from a group read.
Phil wrote: "Ho hum with such an in depth spoiler I could skip the first story and start with Big Driver. Sorry guys for sounding so negative but that was not what I was expecting from a group read."Yeah don't click on 'view spoiler' if you don't want the story to be spoilt. You should also have stopped reading it, it was pretty long and was clearly going to give the plot away.
What did everyone think of the story then? Let's get back on topic please. :) I personally loved this one, and I think it's one of the best short stories I've read in a long time. The whole tone of the story was just perfect. It was bleak, but it was fantastic. :D
Discussion topic for those who have finished the story - Please mark spoilers in your responses: (view spoiler)
I love this one as well, it's my favourite novella in the whole book. I kinda think they gradually get worse as each story goes by. (view spoiler)
This is, by far, the best novella in "FDNS" - Neil Gaiman wrote that it "was as good as anything King has ever written.... and that's very good indeed."I love the use of the first person in the story... it adds an immediacy that might otherwise be missing.
I'm still reading so I didn't read the above posts - I wanted to comment on the writing style of this story.This style makes me feel like a participant instead of an observer - it's really creeping me out.
I should finish it today then read above posts.
Becky wrote: "What did everyone think of the story then? Let's get back on topic please. :) I personally loved this one, and I think it's one of the best short stories I've read in a long time. The whole tone ..."
Becky wrote: "What did everyone think of the story then? Let's get back on topic please. :)
I personally loved this one, and I think it's one of the best short stories I've read in a long time. The whole tone ..."
Becky wrote: "What did everyone think of the story then? Let's get back on topic please. :)
I personally loved this one, and I think it's one of the best short stories I've read in a long time. The whole tone ..."
Finished story - this story definitely validates the title of the book. (view spoiler)
I liked this story. Hank the son creeped me out for some reason, I would not want to go walking hand in hand with him down *any* farm path. The rats however just made me smile. That's what you get for grwing up with Disney. Rats and mice are cute, I always invision them having secret meetings about what little child to rescue from poachers or a well filled with treasure.
I finished this one last night. I really enjoyed this story; (view spoiler)All in all a good start to the collection, I only hope that other reviewers are wrong when they say it's downhill from here. Of course, if it's only a gentle downhill slope, then I guess that won't matter too much!
Bondama wrote: "Why Becky, I've never seen you as repetitious! :)"It's a curse. Sometimes I get stuck on repeat. Sometimes I get stuck on repeat. Sometimes I... :P
I though this story was vastly overrated. Started out really good on a character level and then devolved into a silly supernatural tale. The supernatural element was totally unnecessary and only acted as a cheat to show the reader what happened to his son. It would have been better left to the reader's imagination. I thought the rest of the stories were much better.
I JUST finished this and totally enjoyed it. It was so creepy and awful that I was on the edge of my seat. I got through half of it last night and found myself telling my husband all about it in detail because I just couldn't get some of the scenes out of my head. (I had to share because I felt like the awfulness of it was just too much to keep to myself). It was so totally vivid and descriptive, I actually really regretted the fact that I was eating during one part. Awesome story.
Ok. I have to agree with Jamie. I am on page 30 and I am deeply disturbed by the "incident". All I keep seeing is Johnny Depp playing this role and freaking out throughout the story. Am I the only one who think something is wrong with this character? LOL
It is kind of like the dark halfbrother to My Pretty Pony. It was indeed one of my faves in the collection, but King certainly should stop writing stories that have newspaper report epilogues...kind of a cop out.
I loved this one, and now that I've finished all four of the novellas I say that 1922 is the best one. The slow descent into madness, for both the father and the son, is very well told. I also agree with a previous post, in that the son, Hank, was a pretty creepy kid.
Great story. Loved that it was in first person, King writes some of his best in this style. You really get to know the characters and feel that you are in the middle of the action. Hank was a creepy guy. I agree that the rats were all in Wilf's mind, showing his slow descent into madness. Does that mean he bit himself? Great writing, great imagery. My 2nd favorite in the collection...
I find this story sad. Its a perfect example of one creating their own problem/misery. What Wilf did was wrong. But I couldn't help be feel sad for him and his son.
Gatorman wrote: "I though this story was vastly overrated. Started out really good on a character level and then devolved into a silly supernatural tale. The supernatural element was totally unnecessary and only ..."I've just finished this tale and, although I enjoyed it, I agree with Gatorman that the supernatural element was the weakest part the story ... it was only there to preserve the first person narrative, and without it the whole thing could have been more powerful. Even so, it's a story that will stay in my mind for a while, I think.
I don't think this was a supernatural story at all. Its more of a psychological thriller. One has to decide whether the ending was in his head or real. I don't think anyone is wrong.
Veronica, I completely agree with you. If there is a "supernatural" part, it's something the reader brings to the story, rather than something King wrote.
It isn't just the end that has a problematic supernatural aspect to it. The whole part of (view spoiler) is definitely a supernatural element and cannot be explained away by saying it was only in his head.
I felt like a post above from Gaterman MAY be a spoiler so I deleted it and will repost here:
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Yeesh... I am so glad that story is over. It was not my favorite. Long and drawn out. But I can't wait to discuss!! So here goes:
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Gatorman wrote: "Angie, a question. [spoilers removed] Just curious."
Hummm... let me go back and look where the bite marks were. I kind read that part fast.
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Hummm... let me go back and look where the bite marks were. I kind read that part fast.
OK(view spoiler)
Angie - Very well thought out statement. I agreed with you initially, and you backed up the premise that the rats were imagined by Wilf very well.
Angie wrote: "Gatorman wrote: "Angie, a question. [spoilers removed] Just curious."Hummm... let me go back and look where the bite marks were. I kind read that part fast.
OK so it says arms, legs, ankles an..."
Thanks for the reply. I'll disagree with you because (view spoiler) It does make for an interesting discussion, though! :)
I believe this story really succeeds in capturing King's style: haunting, yet captivating. But as I was reading it, I kept thinking how oddly similar it was to "Dolores Claiborne".
Agrimorfee wrote: "It was indeed one of my faves in the collection, but King certainly should stop writing stories that have newspaper report epilogues...kind of a cop out..."I disagree... One of my favorite things about King is that you never know where the story will go... who will make it out and who won't.
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Angie wrote: "Gatorman wrote: "Angie, a question. [spoilers removed] Just curious."Hummm... let me go back and look where the bite marks were. I kind read that part fast.
OK so it says arms, legs, ankles an..."
I agree. This is why I said from prior the story was more psychological than supernatural.(view spoiler)
It has taken me a bit to read this story because I was reading The Stand when March came up. Okay...I just finished it, and the end really kind of left it up to the reader to decide what was real and what wasn't. (view spoiler)
Veronica wrote: "@ Kathryn: Without saying too much, I agree with you. I saw the story exactly the way you did."I thought I might be the only one! (view spoiler)
Angie wrote: "Gatorman wrote: "Angie, a question. [spoilers removed] Just curious."Hummm... let me go back and look where the bite marks were. I kind read that part fast.
OK so it says arms, legs, ankles an..."
I agree with you! I think so much of this is how we want to perceive it.
I have to jump into this discussion again because the explanations I'm reading for the ending don't seem to make sense, and it's too easy for me to say that the ending can be whatever we want it to. (view spoiler) More thoughts are welcome!
That's an interesting take on the ending, Kathryn. Not sure if I buy into the idea that (view spoiler). Will have to think on that one.
Becky wrote: "Going from memory completely on this, but the more I think about it, the more I think it was all in Wilf's head and that everything was his doing. I think the stress of living with his shrew of a..."
I think you put it into better terms that I originally did, Becky. And yes, you are correct about your memory (view spoiler). I agree with everything you said.
Gatorman wrote: "That's an interesting take on the ending, Kathryn. Not sure if I buy into the idea that [spoilers removed]. Will have to think on that one."Thanks, Gatorman. It was just another idea I had. I could be wrong, though. :)







(view spoiler)[1922 is a first-person account by Wilfred James, the story's unreliable narrator. He writes a lengthy confession for the murder of his wife, Arlette, in Hemingford Home, Nebraska, in 1922.
Wilfred owns eighty acres of farmland that have been in his family for generations. His wife owns an adjoining one-hundred acres willed to her by her father. Wilfred scorns the thought of living in a city, but Arlette is discontented with farm life and wants to move to Omaha. She seeks to sell her land to a livestock company for use as a pig farm and slaughterhouse. Wilfred, who strongly opposes Arlette's plans, resorts to manipulating his teenaged son, Henry, into helping him murder his own mother.
As part of their plot, Wilfred and Henry get Arlette drunk. Arlette proceeds to make crude remarks about Henry's girlfriend, Shannon Cotterie, which angers the boy enough to commit to Wilfred's plot. After taking Arlette to bed, Wilfred brutally slashes her throat with a butcher knife. Wilfred and Henry then dump the body in a well behind the barn. Later, as Wilfred dumps his blood-soaked mattress into the well with Arlette, he notices that her body has become infested with rats.
Wilfred decides to fill in the well to hide the body, but knows that doing so will arouse suspicion. He purposefully has one of his aged cows fall in the well to provide a cover story for filling it in. Right afterwards, the local sheriff—acting on behalf of the livestock company—searches the farmhouse to look for Arlette, finding nothing. Wilfred and Henry fill the well, but a rat crawls out of the soil. Henry kills it, believing that Arlette is now haunting them. Wilfred later encounters a rat when it attacks one of his other cows, severing one of her teats.
A few months later, Henry—who has become emotionally troubled since the murder—impregnates Shannon. The pregnancy sours the friendship between Wilfred and Shannon's father, Harlan, a neighboring farmer. Shannon is sent to a Catholic school for pregnant girls in Omaha, but Henry helps her escape. They begin a highly-publicized career as a pair of Bonnie and Clyde-style bank robbers, becoming wanted in several states.
Wilfred becomes emotionally destitute in Henry's absence. He again encounters the rat from the barn, which bites Wilfred's hand and causes it to become severely infected, necessitating its amputation. Soon after, Wilfred claims that Arlette's living corpse—accompanied by a large group of rats—leaves the confines of the well and enters the farmhouse, confronting him. Arlette gives him a detailed premonition of the violent demise of Henry and the still-pregnant Shannon in Nevada. Soon afterwards, the roof of Wilfred's house caves in during a storm.
When Arlette's prophecy comes true, Wilfred tries to sell the land parcel he killed her for. However, Harlan and the townspeople, all disgusted with Wilfred, refuse to help him. He is forced to leave Hemingford Home as a pariah after selling the land to the livestock company for a pittance. He moves to Omaha and spends the first two years visiting the scenes of Henry's crimes and drinking away the money he received from selling the land. He finds two jobs—as a garment factory worker and a librarian. He quits both, he claims, when the rats begin to stalk him again.
Wilfred sits in a hotel room in Omaha, writing down his story and claiming that Arlette, Henry, and Shannon—along with the rats—are present. Wilfred plans to commit suicide before the rats consume him, but apparently misplaces his gun. The story ends with a newspaper clipping about Wilfred's death, stating that he was found with bite marks that appeared to be self-inflicted; this leaves the reader to speculate about whether Wilfred's account was true or delusional. Wilfred's papers are found to be illegible, having been chewed to pieces. (hide spoiler)]