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message 1: by Liv (new)

Liv (osf1998) Which are you?


message 2: by Liv (new)

Liv (osf1998) Republican


message 3: by [deleted user] (new)

I'm neither. I don't really care cuz, the differences between the two are minimal. I go more on the candidate him/herself


message 4: by [deleted user] (new)

Yeah ur not ver conservative :) I'm more on the anti-war people side. Like Ron Paul.


message 5: by Marianna (new)

Marianna (_________) | 252 comments Democrat, ish.


message 6: by [deleted user] (new)

Democratic. To a point. Not all the time.


message 7: by [deleted user] (new)

Kira Criss wrote: "Ron Paul is more Libertarian than he is Republican. Or so it seems. :3"

Yeah that's what I feel. I dont really see y he calls himself Republican.


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Marianna wrote: "Democrat, ish."

Lol "ish"


message 9: by Liv (new)

Liv (osf1998) Asmaa wrote: "Kira Criss wrote: "Ron Paul is more Libertarian than he is Republican. Or so it seems. :3"

Yeah that's what I feel. I dont really see y he calls himself Republican."



Probs cuz he can then run for prez--he couldn't if he were under democrat cuz obama's running again, and he couldn't be libertarian because you can only run, I believe, under democrat or republican. At least main-stream.


message 10: by luhvBOOKS (new)

luhvBOOKS Asmaa wrote: "I'm neither. I don't really care cuz, the differences between the two are minimal. I go more on the candidate him/herself"

Um, not at all. The differences are pretty big. Take abortion:

Democrats want it.
Republicans don't.

That's a pretty big difference, don't ya think?


message 11: by luhvBOOKS (new)

luhvBOOKS Wow. One night of reading can really open your eyes.

As far as if I'm a Democrat or Republican (I haven't looked into the other parties yet), I'm pretty much split right down the middle. From a religious standpoint, it's all Republican. But Democrats bring up very good points.

Death Penalty: I strongly believe against the death penalty in all states. Putting a person on death row with a chance that they could possibly be innocent is too big of a risk to take. Besides, we are humans. We were made to make mistakes and learn from them. But we aren't changing this law immediately, so obviously we haven't learned. Plus, if murder is against the law, then we are pretty much breaking it ourselves when we use murder for punishment for things like murder. So I'm a Democrat on this.

Abortion: I'm a total Republican on this. I'm strongly pro-life, always have been, always will be. Most of you know me well enough to understand that I hate abortion. With a sickly, burning passion.

Seperation of Church (Religion) and State (Government): I understand that we can't have religion taking over the government, but I strongly encourage religious ethics in government practices! Many people, when dealing with politics, use their religions and such. We have to come to terms with how religion is apart of people's lives and that we have to encourage it rather than ignore it in government. I'm Republican on this.

Changes: Republicans fear changes in the society, like homosexual marriage or assisted suicide, while Democrats fear changes in the Earth, like drilling for oil and global warming. This is where I'm split. As the Earth changes, we have to adapt. I don't want to adapt in the way that global warming will make me. So we need to make changes in our environmen. Recycling some of the time isn't cutting it. And as the society changes, I change. I don't want to change in ways I don't like. This is why this issue is so important.

Guns: I'm kind of split on this issue as well, but I believe in a compromise for this kind of situation. Guns and other similar arms are very, very dangerous. Things like these aren't toys. Statistics show that more gun accidents happen at home than knife accidents. So we need to tighten our security for bearing arms much much more. This is what the Democrats believe. But the 2nd Amendment gives the right to bear arms and the right to protect yourself. So having a gun in your home is appropriately legal, as the Republicans believe. I don't know all the gun laws, but I think everyone deserves the right to have a gun in their home for protection if they want to. So guns should be allowed in homes, but lawmakers need to pass lots and lots of bills to prevent an increase in gun accidents at home, especially with young children. There should be a law against people with a violent background from owning a gun, etc. So, again, I'm split, but I propose a compromise as well.

Corporations vs. Governments: We all fear tyranny ever since Britain and King George III. So I think we need to focus more on governemnts having too much control than corporations. So what if a corporation like Wal-Mart is doing well in business? Good for them? We don't need tyranny! Republicans!

Economics: I only read two sentences about Laffer Curve Economics and understood about, eh, two words. So I won't get into that. What I will do is use Obama's plan on taxes. Democrats believe in raising taxes for the rich and having less taxes for the poor. I understand that's its your money, but how the heck are we gonna get rid of poverty if we never give? Giving is good, people! There was headline on the news about what children write about when the prompt is something about "What would you change int his world or in your own home?" Many people said happy families, world peace, no hungry children, and NO POVERTY. You see? Even elementary schoolers know there is something wrong about this world. Democrats! And I congratulate Obama on his State of The Union address. It was really good, patriotic, inspirational to me, and he came well-prepared compared to the Republican Response. Theyw ere just yelling at him; not proposing any substitute plans or any form of helping our government. It was bad on their part.

Freedom of Speech: I'm very Republican on this. They stand for spirituality, nationalism, anti-artistry and anti-sexuality. Now, I got some examples from the internet.
*Spirituality- Displaying a granite sculpture of the "Ten Commandments" would be an example of spirituality.
Anti-spirituality would be banning a student from wearing an image of Jesus at a public school. That's as bad as telling a Muslim girl to remove her head scarf, or a Jew to stop praying in school. It's absolutely horrible.
*Nationalism- If you are in school, you recite the Pledge of Allegiance every day. This is nationalism.
Anti-nationalism would be burning the U.S. Flag. How can a coutnry allow that? It's rebellion!
*Anti-artistry- The Republican example, for me, was a little over the top and I didn't agree with it (firing an employeee for wearing a nose ring to work). But the Democratic example was spot on. It's also an example of sexuality. Exposing Janet Jackson's breast at the Super Bowl. I, for one, do not appreciate such "art" and we don't need that in our world. I just want to be cleaner.
*Anti-sexuality- No showing of innapropriate body parts at public events or places. (See Anti-artistry for an example of sexuality)

Military: I'm happy all our troops are home from Iraq. Welcome home, honorable men and women! We are so proud of you! <3
I don't know much about this, but Democrats are right. Military operations need to be worked out by international operations as welll as Americans.

Censorship: Democrats respect the religious beliefs of others by not imposing their own religion on others. Democrats tend to favor the government teaching of "safe sex" (the use of condoms) and the creation and development of the universe as described by scientists and Darwin's theory of evolution. I absolutely hate it. First off, "safe sex" is stupid. There is no absolute guarantee that the condoms will work, therefore, it's not really safe if there's a chance it won't work. It hasn't worked in the past with teenagers and young adults, so why rely on them fully and why teach teens to as well? And the whole evolution-thing drives me up the wall. I know we can't teach religion in public schools, and we need to hear the history of evolution and all that crap, but it's just annoying. Republicans encourage religious ethics within government organizations. Republicans tend to favor the government teaching of religious ideas like "sexual abstinence" (virginity until married) and the creation and development of the universe as described by the book of Bereishis in the Torah or Genesis in the Bible. The "sexual abstinence" thing is such a great idea. There's no such thing as safe sex using condoms. Safe sex is abstinence. So teach it! It'll make everyone better off! But we can't teach Christian/Jewish faith in public schools and not teach any other religion. It's not right. I'm split once again. :/ Politics makes me confoosed. xD And yes, I did just spell "confused" that way.

So, it's:

Democrats win 3 issues.
Republicans win 4 issues, not including the gun compromise.
Many split issues...

Still, even though Republicans won by one topic, I can't declare myself one. I need atleast 2/3 topics in favor of Republicans. I'm searching... :)


message 12: by [deleted user] (new)

wow thats a loooooooooooong post XD


message 13: by luhvBOOKS (new)

luhvBOOKS I know.


message 14: by An (last edited Mar 07, 2012 09:27AM) (new)

An I am neither. I am for whoever is pro-life, and is, in my opinion the best candidate.


message 15: by luhvBOOKS (new)

luhvBOOKS Republicans are pro-life.


message 16: by Monty (last edited Mar 09, 2012 03:02PM) (new)

Monty (montythewombat) | 9 comments I would say I'm democrat to the point of verging on socialism. I'm extremely pro-choice, and for separation of church and state. I'm firmly against the death penalty, and I believe that private corporations should be somewhat controlled and regulated by the government. I also believe in freedom of self expression and speech, and high taxes for the wealthy.


message 17: by Nifty (last edited Mar 09, 2012 03:07PM) (new)

Nifty | 35 comments I'm actually planning on voting Green Party... I think socialism is actually pretty nifty


message 18: by Nifty (new)

Nifty | 35 comments Yessss *fistpump*


message 19: by An (new)

An luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "Republicans are pro-life."

Which is why I'm mostly for republicans. But not simply because of their party. There are pro-choice democrats, and pro-choice republicans, just to point that out.


message 20: by [deleted user] (new)

By the way, Democrats don't want abortion. We just don't think it should be illegal, because that's the government taking control of very personal issues. I hate talking about abortion, and I'm not a huge fan of the idea of it, but it shouldn't be completely illegal. Lower the time slot allotted for an abortion, and make it more restricted.


message 21: by Liv (new)

Liv (osf1998) I'm republican, but I disagree with some stereotypical republican views. Like, I think gay marriage should be legalized. I think abortion before the first 2 months of pregnancy should be legal.

The basic definition of republicans is that they want more power in the individual states, vs the democrats are more into a centralized power source, like a more controlling government. Not every person on either ends believe this, but that'sss basically it.
Republicans don't want the government giving them healthcare, democrats do.


Melissa Corn ~bubbles bubbles bubbles~ | 394 comments I'd consider myself Republican


message 23: by luhvBOOKS (new)

luhvBOOKS there isn't any stereotypical views of political parties. You choose your party based on the party's views. How can that possibly be stereotypical?


Melissa Corn ~bubbles bubbles bubbles~ | 394 comments luvhbooks I think what libby means is that most republicans are against gay marriage and abortion, but she isn't, and she considers herself a republican.


message 25: by luhvBOOKS (new)

luhvBOOKS i know. She also said that she disagreed with some stereotypical Repulbicsn views.


message 26: by Tyrinn (new)

Tyrinn Smuppet | 67 comments It's easy to stereotype most things, and certainly political parties. I'm certainly not Republican, but I wouldn't say I'm Democrat either. I don't think either could exist on their own, we need both parties to argue and balance out the more crazy elements. If I could vote this cycle I would certainly vote Obama, though, because all the Republican candidates are 100% insane, and Obama's done a good job so far.


Mary *TheBigBangTheory* *I love Louis!* | 417 comments I'm not really sure... I mean, I'm not into politics


message 28: by Tyrinn (new)

Tyrinn Smuppet | 67 comments Personally, I really wish I was immortal, just so I could see the collapse and reformation of societies.


Mary *TheBigBangTheory* *I love Louis!* | 417 comments Haha lol that true. I would have loved to Rome. Just saying.










I'm getting off topic aren't I? Ah that's me


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Tyrinn Smuppet | 67 comments Hey, Rome is the foundation of our current political system! Doesn't seem off topic to me XD


Mary *TheBigBangTheory* *I love Louis!* | 417 comments Ah good point. Ah Rome... *gets a dreamy look*


message 32: by Tyrinn (new)

Tyrinn Smuppet | 67 comments When I got taught about Rome we mainly learned about the horrific chariot races and gladiator tournaments, and the fact that life sucked for everyone who wasn't rich BUT TO BE RICH IN ROME!!


Mary *TheBigBangTheory* *I love Louis!* | 417 comments See we learned about the rise and fall and that kinda stuff. Now we're learning about how the Umayyads expands their second empire

(Umayyads are a Muslim group)
(personally, I think Muslims are cool)


message 34: by Liv (new)

Liv (osf1998) Tyrinn wrote: "It's easy to stereotype most things, and certainly political parties. I'm certainly not Republican, but I wouldn't say I'm Democrat either. I don't think either could exist on their own, we need ..."

Thank you:)


message 35: by Liv (new)

Liv (osf1998) Melissa Corn wrote: "luvhbooks I think what libby means is that most republicans are against gay marriage and abortion, but she isn't, and she considers herself a republican."

Thank you:)


message 37: by luhvBOOKS (new)

luhvBOOKS Tyrinn wrote: "It's easy to stereotype most things, and certainly political parties. I'm certainly not Republican, but I wouldn't say I'm Democrat either. I don't think either could exist on their own, we need ..."

He has good ideas, but he isn't doing anything. I'll blame Congress. Still, he isn't very good.

I'll bet on Mitt Romney.


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TheBigBangTheory wrote: "See we learned about the rise and fall and that kinda stuff. Now we're learning about how the Umayyads expands their second empire

(Umayyads are a Muslim group)
(personally, I think Muslims are cool)"


cool! its nice to know other kids also study about the islamic empire too :)


message 39: by [deleted user] (new)

luhvBOOKS *~Colin Morgan/JD Forever~* wrote: "Tyrinn wrote: "It's easy to stereotype most things, and certainly political parties. I'm certainly not Republican, but I wouldn't say I'm Democrat either. I don't think either could exist on thei..."
same here. romney's probably gonna win the republican nominee. between obama and romney...idk


message 40: by Yuman (last edited Mar 18, 2012 02:25PM) (new)

Yuman (yumnaep) | 590 comments hey we're learning about the Ummayyads and the Abbasids, too.


message 41: by [deleted user] (new)

I can't say I'm one of the two! I don't agree with everything on either side.


message 42: by Copper (new)

Copper  Black | 1 comments im neither,i agree with some from both sides,but not all of it


Mary *TheBigBangTheory* *I love Louis!* | 417 comments Asmaa wrote: "TheBigBangTheory wrote: "See we learned about the rise and fall and that kinda stuff. Now we're learning about how the Umayyads expands their second empire

(Umayyads are a Muslim group)
(personall..."


Yeah! I think Islam is a very cool religion


message 44: by Yuman (new)

Yuman (yumnaep) | 590 comments :)


message 45: by [deleted user] (new)

I am a Republican


message 46: by Johnathan (new)

Johnathan I personally think it is lame (I mean no disrespect, this is simply how I feel.) to claim one or the other. People become so caught up in the "label" that if I were the only republican candidate, I would receive all republican votes despite the fact that I said I am going to eat the heart of every families first born child.


message 47: by Nifty (new)

Nifty | 35 comments Johnathan wrote: "I personally think it is lame (I mean no disrespect, this is simply how I feel.) to claim one or the other. People become so caught up in the "label" that if I were the only republican candidate, I..."

I agree; I only identify as I do (Green Party or liberal Democrat) because I honestly have only ever agreed with those parties' views.


message 48: by Johnathan (new)

Johnathan Nifty, in that instance, I see no problem whatsoever in identifying with a particular party. Unfortunately, my friend, you are the rare exception to the rule. America today does not remember the struggle of becoming an independent nation and therefore take it for granted. We are generally happy picking a party based off of the pretty faces belonging to the party and remain ignorant to their views.


message 49: by luhvBOOKS (new)

luhvBOOKS Johnathan wrote: "I personally think it is lame (I mean no disrespect, this is simply how I feel.) to claim one or the other. People become so caught up in the "label" that if I were the only republican candidate, I..."

It's a label on your beliefs. So instead of saying "I support this, this, and this, and disagree with this, this, and this" you can just say that you are a Republican/Democrat/Independent,etc.


message 50: by Johnathan (new)

Johnathan luhvBOOKS, I understand the intention behind the label.

A group went around and proposed McCain's ideas to a minority group and proposed them as Obama's. The group unamimously backed each idea.

This is just one example, but you'll find many. It's not the beliefs that anyone in our undereducated/ignorant society cares about. It is the brand.


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