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message 1: by Emma (Miss Print) (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:41PM) (new)

Emma (Miss Print) (missprint) | 2 comments The authors below have titles that might be in some form of Arabic that I can't make heads or tails of. Maybe someone else can :)

J. D. Salinger
Jhumpa Lahiri
Khaled Hosseini


message 2: by Soshyans (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:43PM) (new)

Soshyans Varahram | 1 comments hey, i'm persian n i know a little arabic too although im not very good in english but i think i could help u about them :)
jus gimme the clue! ;)


message 3: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (last edited Aug 25, 2016 02:18PM) (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Could someone (or more than one) with far better French, Spanish, and German than mine see what they can do with OSC's books?

Thanks!


message 4: by John (last edited Dec 13, 2007 02:42PM) (new)

John | 73 comments I did most of the French/Spanish that was un-matched. However, I left some that were the usual case of being "adapted" rather than literal translations of the original English titles; someone familiar with the series might have an idea on those perhaps.


message 5: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
If you can tell me what the translated title is, I can help with that. I'm pretty familiar with OSC's work.


message 6: by John (new)

John | 73 comments "Esperando el venado" = WAITING FOR THE DEER (?)

I don't know where "Jason Valois" fits in with OSC's books.

"La strategie de l'ombre" = SHADOW GAME (?)






message 7: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
"Shadow Game" = Ender's Shadow

"Waiting for the Deer" has to be Hart's Hope.

I've never heard of Jason Valois!


message 8: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant | 78 comments I found a whole boatload of authors who could use a LOT of work: philosophers. No one bothers with those guys at all.


message 9: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Got help on "Jason Valois" from someone over at OSC's Hatrack forums (thanks, docmagik!). Jason Valois = Jason Worthing, so book 1 = The Worthing Chronicle.

Paul, could you give some specific author names, please?


message 10: by Paul (new)

Paul Bryant | 78 comments pretty much everyone on this list

[http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/ind...]




message 11: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
O_O

Ok . . .


message 12: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
The trouble with these guys (and gals) is they tend to have multiple versions of their names, as well as many translations. Not to mention books with similar-but-not-the-same titles.

I did what I could with Descartes and Spinoza. If someone (especially a French speaker for Descartes and a German speaker for Spinoza) could check them over, that would be good.


message 13: by John (new)

John | 73 comments I didn't feel too comfortable combining more of Decartes without copies on hand to be sure the contens matched exactly between French and English titles.


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message 15: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show_g...

Whoops. Posted in the link instead of here. Yes, I'll try to devote some time to it this weekend. Exactly how much time depends on the progress I make reading my book club book.


message 16: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments Somebody(s) combined a lot of the Hamlets with a lot of the Complete Works of Shakespeare. I'm trying to separate the Complete Works first. There were A LOT more than I could see when I first perused.

I realize I'm not sure enough of Lewis Carroll's works to work on him. Don't know which are the same or different books with all the Alice's and Through the Looking Glasses, etc.


message 17: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
I can do Carroll on Sunday if no one else gets there first.


message 18: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments I just separated the Complete Shakespeares away from the Hamlets with latter left combined. (I'm not positive that I got them all; my eyes are blurred!)

What do people think about recombining the various editions of The Complete Shakespeare? My tendency would be to combine them but there are some differences between them, I think.


message 19: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 12292 comments I would agree that it would make the most sense to combine them.


message 20: by Brandy (last edited Mar 08, 2008 08:09AM) (new)

Brandy | 29 comments I'm not feeling industrious enough to tackle all of Lewis Carroll, but I just separated all the Through the Looking Glasses from the Alice in Wonderlands and re-combined accordingly. Notes for anyone who tackles the rest: Alice in Wonderland, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, and Alice's Adventures Underground are all the same book. The sequel is Through the Looking Glass and/or Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There.

In re: either of these: what's the policy with abridgments? Do they get combined with the regular book, or go separate? (I didn't separate any of them because I'm really very lazy that way this morning.)

I haven't touched foreign editions of either one, with the exception of ones that were really obvious.

While we're on the topic of Carroll and Shakespeare: Amazon added The Complete Works of Shakespeare by Lewis Carroll (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37...). Since it's Amazon, is there any way to actually fix it, or will it keep reverting to this nonsense?


message 21: by John (last edited Mar 13, 2009 06:18AM) (new)

John (jfcannon) | 30 comments Brandy,

Re: The Complete Works of Shakespeare by Lewis Carroll. I just deleted it from Goodreads. [I have to admit that I'm already beginning to regret this rash move, but done is done.:] Let's see if it reappears. If it does, perhaps a more sane thing to do (i.e. rather than delete it), is just change the author to William Shakespeare. Then, since the ISBN number is in the Goodreads database, I suspect it won't be added again by Amazon.


message 22: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments It's still there or it's back:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29...

Probably an edition with a forward by Lewis Carroll but no other information at Amzon.

Just signing off BUT do wonder if that's so or if it's even an edtion of Tales from Shakespeare by Charles and Mary Lamb. Probably the former. I'm not ready to change the author but it probably should be chnaged to William Shakespeare.


message 23: by John (new)

John (jfcannon) | 30 comments Re: The Complete Works of Shakespeare by Lewis Carroll.

I've done a little research on this book and am convinced that it is a mistake, probably caused by some computer snafu.

I reach this conclusion for the following reasons:

This book is supposed to be a Wordsworth Children's Classic. I checked the entire Wordsworth catalog online and there is no such book in their Children's Classics or anywhere else in their catalog. Then I went to ISBN search engines on the internet. Some of them have it listed and they suggest certain online bookstores that may have it. I checked all of these (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Abebooks, Alibris, eCampus, and Ebay). Most of them don't have a book with that ISBN (i.e. 1853268119) and those that do don't have any in stock and don't know when they will get any. Finally I checked the entire ISBN directory on LinkBaton (see http://my.linkbaton.com/isbn if you want to check it out) and they do not list that number as having been used.

So that's good enough for me. Since the book apparently cannot be deleted without being re-added, I'm going to change the author to William Shakespeare and put a note in the book description suggesting that this book probably doesn't exist.

Otis, if I err in this, please let me know and I'll change it back.


message 24: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments Brandy, I didn't post right away but thanks for the helpful books of Lewis Carroll information.


message 25: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
So did y'all fix everything while I was dealing with Real Life?

Aw, darn! ;)

Thanks!!! :)


message 26: by John (last edited Mar 12, 2008 09:29AM) (new)

John (jfcannon) | 30 comments Re: The Complete Works of Shakespeare by Lewis Carroll.

OK, here's the final word on this supposed edition of the complete works of Shakespeare. I sent a message to Wordsworth asking about this book. Here is their reply:

"The ISBN [1853268119]is certainly one allocated to us, but does not appear anywhere in our sales records, which go back to 1997.

"The fact that so much of the detail about the title is wrong – wrong author, wrong series – leads me to believe that we probably allocated two ISBN numbers to the same book at the planning stage, this being our Complete Shakespeare currently available under ISBN 9781853268953. What usually happens is some basic information about a title is forwarded to the main databases such as Nielsen, Bowker etc, which are expanded upon in the run up to publication. I would suspect in this case that once the duplication error was noticed, this ISBN was deleted from those sources, but by then it had taken on a life of its own by having already been picked up by retailers such as Amazon etc.

"So if I am correct, then this is a ‘book that never was’."

My thanks to Derek Wright of Wordsworth who sent the reply. So we see that this edition really doesn't exist. Funny how these things happen.


message 27: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments Wow John, Thanks for all of that work. You've inspired me to be a more thorough GR librarian!


message 28: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Color me impressed. Thanks for your thoroughness, John!

I'm inspired too. But unlike Lisa, I'm just inspired to let John take care of similar mysteries in the future. ;D


message 29: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Yikes! A little help, please!


message 30: by Lisa (last edited Mar 12, 2008 11:14PM) (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments 1,458 of them!!! Yikes indeed.


Edit:

I looked at #8, I assume by Charles Dickens, and then searched for that book and got this:

http://www.goodreads.com/search/searc...

(page 1 is the Michigan book)

Will have to research to see if they're by all sorts of authors or not.

Not tonight though!


message 31: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Yes, by allll sorts of authors. The good news is the real author is generally part of the current title.


This Is Not The Michael You're Looking For | 949 comments Gah! Stupid Amazon.com. I did a few tonight, but we'll have to just slowly work through them for awhile.


message 33: by Melody (new)

Melody (runningtune) | 12292 comments But once we change them and put the correct author, won't they just be put back in this form by Amazon?


message 34: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments Melody, I don't think so. Amazon automatically adds materials when they're absent. The ISBN #s, etc. will still remain the same so I think that Amazon will recognize that they're already here at GR.


message 35: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (last edited Mar 13, 2008 09:48AM) (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Exactly. Amazon's API (or more accurately, GR's software's use of it) only fills in missing pieces. It does not overwrite existing information.


message 36: by Lisa (last edited Mar 13, 2008 10:27AM) (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments question: To Rivka, other moderators and librarians:

Sometimes I have just a limited amount of time to work on GR librarian tasks. I'm finding (when working on the fiasco in message # 29 for instance, but many other examples also) that once I properly edit a book and go to merge it with other editions, that I can do that. But in the large list of already merged editions I often see items (too many to separate quickly) that shouldn't be there. I generally merge the ones that should be merged anyway, even though I'm leaving some copies in that should be separated. I do try to separate the ones that don't belong, but, if I don't have time, I merge anyway. I figure that least some of the corrections are made.

BUT: Should I not bother unless I can correct everything right then? Feedback appreciated!


message 37: by John (new)

John (jfcannon) | 30 comments Lisa, my opinion...do what you have time for and leave the rest to others or come back when you have more time. Something is better than nothing.


message 38: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Agreed.

I try to leave myself notes regarding the stuff I want to come back to, but 'tis a custom more honored in the breach than the observance. ;)


message 39: by Laura (new)

Laura | 1 comments Wow i just tried to do Carroll but was totally overwhelmed. I worked on it a little if anyone wants to go and finish it up that would be great because i am not subjecting myself to that again.


message 40: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments Laura, I had tried a few times but did very little. I'm afraid of causing more problems than I fix. even though message #20 by Brandy is very helpful.


message 41: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (last edited Mar 13, 2008 08:02PM) (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Down to 1314! Good work, everyone -- keep it up. :)

(Like Golden Books, there are some that really don't have authors. I expect there'll be about 100-200 of those.)

Onward! :D


message 42: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
1034! Awesome!

Think we can finish over the weekend?


message 43: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments I've been working on it and have done many, although I think that Michael has done more of them. And I admit I'm scrolling to the ones that have obvious author(s).

But I don't have much time this particular weekend. Maybe I can do some tomorrow/Saturday but I'm not sure.

Any easy enough ones left over I probably will have some time on Monday or Wednesday.

(Have a Good Shabbos Rivka. I hope a lot more are done by the time you get back.)


message 44: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
Time change. :D Shabbos won't start for almost three hours, and most of my cooking is done. :)

*digs in*


message 45: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments Under 1,000!


message 46: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 33174 comments Mod
*cheers*


This Is Not The Michael You're Looking For | 949 comments I've been doing them sporadically and will freely admit to also jumping around at random looking for "easy" ones to fix. It gives a greater sense of accomplishment than fighting over the less obvious ones.


message 48: by Brandy (new)

Brandy | 29 comments I've been plugging away at Lewis Carroll, an hour here, half-hour there. It's coming along, but yikes, there are a number of collections I haven't wanted to touch yet. When you have forty-eleven books that are all called "The Complete [Author]" or "The Collected [Author]", is it safe to assume they're all the same and combine them, or should we be going through each one and only combining books that we know for sure contain the same material? Then there's the issue of different editors and/or publishers, forewords, order/arrangement--if it contains all the same pieces but in a different order, are they the same book?
I think this came up recently with Shakespeare, but a cursory search isn't turning it up and I can't remember what the ruling was (or if there was one).

And that is why Lewis Carroll isn't done yet! (But it is much improved.)


message 49: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Vegan (LisaVegan) | 2385 comments http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19...

One of the infamous Michigan series...

For me the formatting is weird on this one and I can't change the author.

Anybody else?

Thanks.


message 50: by Brandy (new)

Brandy | 29 comments The author is changed! I didn't do anything else to it, though; I haven't been paying much attention to what changes are being made to this series. Is it just changing the authors, or is there other information being added? Are the authors being stripped out of the titles?


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