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message 1: by Ashley (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:31PM) (new)

Ashley (readerandwriter) Believe it or not folks, there is a Harry Potter Haters Group. Its ridiculous. They only have 14 members (vs. our 670). They don't have anything intelligent to say or debate other than "Harry Potter sucks to he MAX!!!" Check it out.


message 2: by Caroline (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:32PM) (new)

Caroline I've always found it interesting when people go out of their way to create anti- groups like that. It'd be one thing if it were a group to discuss alternatives to Harry Potter, but there's not much point in "I hate this thing" and "I hate it, too!"

It's one of the things people seem to do often, though. I see groups like that all of the time on Livejournal.


message 3: by Robbie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:32PM) (new)

Robbie Bashore Harry Potter rocks to the max, man!! ;)


message 4: by Peng (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:32PM) (new)

Peng | 317 comments that's probably why they're wondering why so many people think harry potter series is a phenomena, because they haven't read the books! well, that just shows what kind of people they are... or they're probably just looking for people to fight with so don't dare talk to them nor spend time arguing with them. they wouldn't let anyone win except theirselves.


message 5: by Ashley (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:33PM) (new)

Ashley (samuraigurl91) | 106 comments exactly Peng! totally agree. what is wrong with them man? its not like HP ever did anything to them. Lol! good one Ashley! xD


message 6: by JOhnnY HabNEr (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:33PM) (new)

JOhnnY HabNEr | 3 comments Harry potter haters group sucks i mean well all of them SUCK


message 7: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:33PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments Tee Hee! How can anyone make an opionion about something like a book if they haven't even read it? That just doesn't seem right!


message 8: by Peng (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:34PM) (new)

Peng | 317 comments LOL! exactly.


message 9: by Ashley (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:34PM) (new)

Ashley (readerandwriter) I know, I joined the group, just for a sec, so I could make a comment on their comments. I told them dont judge a book until you've read it and some of your answers would be answered if you actually read the book .


message 10: by Ashley (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:34PM) (new)

Ashley (samuraigurl91) | 106 comments omg. thats utter nonsense! how can HP books be confusing? my history textbook is a hundred times more confusing than HP books. HP books actually calms my mind! for goodness' sake. gosh..=.=' they didn't even read the book. and HP is not worthless. there's even moral values there. what is wrong with them?


message 11: by Peng (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:39PM) (new)

Peng | 317 comments they're probably just seeking attention because harry potter is getting all the attention. same thing here, ashley, harry potter books calms me from all stress that's why i always re-read them. they're probably confused pronouncing the spell words. they didn't even think that in itself is originality in jk's work because she has to think of out of this world words.


message 12: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:41PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments Yeah, well, I've heard that some people don't like harry potter cause they say it is copying everything else. What? I asked Harry Potter is a story on it's own! I'm reading number five again and omg I forgot how good it was and I just read it four months ago.


message 13: by Ashley (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:42PM) (new)

Ashley (samuraigurl91) | 106 comments Lol! wth do they mean by saying Harry Potter is copying everything else? its totally original. omg.


message 14: by Elizabeth (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:49PM) (new)

Elizabeth Mitchell (emitchellwrites) | 4 comments how can ANYONE not LOVE the Potter?


message 15: by Peng (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:49PM) (new)

Peng | 317 comments here's one guy's critic to harry potter. sorry i didn't get his name since the email was copied-pasted by my brother. this is quite long but since were book readers i know you wouldn't mind the length:

"To me, Harry started out as little more than a lens. A sympathetic lens to be sure (how can you not pull for The Boy Who Lived) whose chief function seemed to entail viewing and exploring the wizarding world and Hogwarts. He did this with the requisite curiosity and sense of wonder, but he didn’t have much in the way of personality. Harry seemed more defined by the crappy/mean things that happened to him, and the fact that he was the Chosen One, than by anything else. He listened to Dumbeldore. He was loyal to his friends. He tried hard. I found it all fairly annoying. Also annoying, was the way JK borrowed/used/stole so many tropes and themes from western mythological canon as well as the contemporary fantasy tale. I now believe this bothered me so because when HP began, I was at a very critical/analytical point in my writerly development, a somewhat obsessive phase wherien I was trying to figure out who was stealing what from whom, in terms of style, content, etc. I soon realized everyone was stealing from everyone. Then I was able to just relax and let myself enjoy the books.
Something else happened: Harry turned into a real character for me. Those same traits he had from the beginning came to include a bit of stubbornness, anger, and pride. There were real consequences to his adventures. He suffered losses. And I began to root for him.
Sure, I still rooted for ol’ Severus Snape. (I knew he would redeem himself in the end–just knew it!) The fact that SS’s character arc closed with so many definitive answers aside, you were kidding yourself if you thought JK was keeping him around for anything but the ultimate sacrifice. If you read carefully, the signs were there at the close of Half-Blood Prince. Of course I also rooted for Dobby and Neville, Luna and the Weasley twins. My fave bit players. They too got their chance to shine.
I really rooted for JK. Don’t blow it, we all sent out to her telepathically. Don’t kill him just to kill him–listen to Stephen King. So she did (listen to Steve, that is). Or maybe not–I’m still not sure. Was Harry technically dead, or just mostly dead? Need to go back and reread that second to last chapter again to clarify, and when Dumbledore appeared yet again to explain everything for Harry (and us) and make things right, this was clearly the way to go. That bit with the wands, hallows or horcruxes? Interesting, yes, but in the end it was the tried and true theme: does might make right? Another nod to T.H. White’s Once and Future King, The Lord of the Rings, and for the kids, Spiderman.
Of course Voldemort goes for the killing curse, of course Harry does his tried-and-true disarm spell, and the meticulously (and perhaps laboriously) plotted story of how wands function and choose their wielder comes full circle. It was a most satisfying climatic moment.

It’s the journey that defines the traveler, though, and Deathly Hallows certainly provided that. Made me wonder, could anyone edit JK at this point? I ask the same question of the aforementioned S. King–both of them are so famous, so successful, how do you as an editor, say, “Uh, yeah, Ms. Rowling, you want to go ahead and cut and summarize these middle 300 pages or so…” Come on, you know how you were kind of mentally pacing as Harry and Hermione wandered around aimlessly in their tent, waiting for the plot to kick in again. The whole hallows question and what they meant. Ron’s bitchy and very un-Weasley-like breakdown…
But JK has done this with all the books. It’s just that for this one, the finale, the stakes seemed higher. The subplots just weren’t as interesting, and we weren’t really exploring the wizarding world (something that sort of stopped with Order of the Phoenix, and an aspect of those early books I truly missed). One rather large and obvious point: we weren’t at Hogwarts. I would argue this threw JK off her game a bit with side stories.
At the same time, you had some real character development. Ron and Hermione have their spat. Dumbledore’s legacy is looking tarnished. And ol’ Harry is genuinely torn on which way to go, whom to trust, what to do. I was worried about how low he might fall before his inevitable triumph. I was worried about his belief in the big D. And on many levels, when I’m worried about a character that means I’m happy about the reading.
The question remains, could she have cut some pages? Yes, but let’s not begrudge her for it."

there's still more of his "critique" but it would be too long for this post and he's not really a harry hater.... or isn't he?


message 16: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:50PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments really interesting how he starts saying it was horrible then half way through his critique he says that he really liked it. Then he doesn't agian.


message 17: by Kaye (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:51PM) (new)

Kaye (kayelathe) | 2 comments sounds terribly pretentious to me. perhaps the "hater" enjoyed the book, but is trying show that he/she is much too intelligent and original to really enjoy it after all, since it is part of popular culture.

for the record, in my opinion, deathly hallows is the best culmination of a series that i have ever read.


message 18: by Kenzie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:51PM) (new)

Kenzie I read the first four books of the series when I was in third grade. Confusing, hah! They are just about as confusing as Dr.Seuss. Kaye I agree with you, the guy/girl definitely enjoyed the book. If someone wants to critique and make fun of my favorite series, well, let's just say that, unless they have read the series, I don't care what they have to say.

If they haven't read them, they are wasting their time.


message 19: by Ashley (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:52PM) (new)

Ashley (samuraigurl91) | 106 comments i think he liked it for the whole series but probably felt differently towards Deathly Hallows.


message 20: by Kenzie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:52PM) (new)

Kenzie Good point, some people I know changed the way they looked at the books because of 7. They also chose to dislike the books after Dumbledore became gay.


message 21: by Roni (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:52PM) (new)

Roni (v_a_b) You go McKenzie!!!!!!!! :D I totaly posted a couple comments on the harry potter haters page(in favor of hp of course) and one of the things they were talking about is how the title of #7 "made no sense" and they hadn't even read the book! somebody said that they had and the deathly hallows were a graveyard but they were obviously skimming. that just made me a bit angry so I told them what the hallows were to end their discussion about how it must have something to do with religion. And of course they havn't read any of the books because, except in the case of the last two you find out the meaning of the title pretty quickly. If they had read the other books they would have understood the title would have been made perfectly clear as they read the book. I also gave them a few good reasons other than "millions would dissagree" as they said people kept saying and "it was really good you should read it" They asked for it and I told them. I posted comments under their discussions "hallows???" and "yuck." And they said WE were dumb with our games that we do in our discussions.I don't appriciate their dissing us.


message 22: by Roni (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:52PM) (new)

Roni (v_a_b) I havn't personaly heard anybody change their minds because dumbledore is gay but im sure it has happened. homophobia is not cool.and dissing harry potter is not cool either.


message 23: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:52PM) (new)

Meghan | 686 comments lol! Well, personally I think playing games about something we know every detial we can find out about it is better then making bad comments about something you have only read rumors about.


message 24: by Kenzie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Kenzie As I have said, those who choose not to read Harry Potter are wasting their lives. Also commenting on rumors is bad, especially when you don't know anything about what you are talking about.

I agree Meghan, we an express our knowledge of the Harry Potter books by playing our 'games'.


message 25: by Tess (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:53PM) (new)

Tess | 134 comments i keep posting comments there but no one replies

:(


message 26: by Peng (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:54PM) (new)

Peng | 317 comments they probably think they're getting a lot of attention already that's why they're not posting anymore. hehehe...


message 27: by Kenzie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:55PM) (new)

Kenzie I'm guessing that they are tired of us entering their discussions and proving them wrong.


message 28: by Roni (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:56PM) (new)

Roni (v_a_b) I wonder if any of the harry potter haters group have been looking at this discussion.....


message 29: by Kenzie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:59PM) (new)

Kenzie There's a good chance of it Veronica. As I would say, "It is their duty to check our knowledge of them, as we check their knowledge of us."


message 30: by Kenzie (last edited Aug 25, 2016 02:00PM) (new)

Kenzie I have sorta kinda changed my mind about them. Some of them do have good points. Also, not everyone will like HP, we should just except that with pride.


message 31: by Snowsong (new)

Snowsong (kdskid007) some of the people in that group actually have good thoughts on why the series is bad... i joined, to see it from the other side, and agree on some things...


message 32: by Gunjari (new)

Gunjari (Irajnug) | 732 comments does not make sense. i'm going to join that group, just for a second so that i can post a message that says, "don't judge a book by its cover!"
i mean seriously. i like the way jo makes references to other mythologies cause i actually get it and it's kinda neat. she's not copying, for heavens sake!!!!!
i mean, it's ok to not like a book. i mean, it's not against the law or anything, you don't have to like harry potter. but they are just denouncing it and i'm just like, i'd like to see you write better than jo!
(you can tell i'm slightly miffed)


message 33: by Snowsong (new)

Snowsong (kdskid007) okay, i see your point as well, but i like reading their answers! ...few as they are... but, sadly, NONE of them have actual reasons... *sigh* im beginning to think they're all incapable of logical thought, but oh well, their loss, not mine!


message 34: by [deleted user] (new)

well i was looking at the discussions that they had and alot of the people on there were harry potter lovers in disguise...... weird.


message 35: by Maya (new)

Maya (numerounochewylover) | 270 comments of course their incapable of logical thought; they don't like harry potter! honestly, you must really have no life at all you can do is talk about why you hate something you don't even know!


message 36: by Gunjari (new)

Gunjari (Irajnug) | 732 comments okay guys, i actually think that we're being a little too defensive here. i mean, after i got over being miffed, i realized that they actually have their reasons. plus, we all just don't like a certain book cause well... we just don't like it. so i think that we should give them a break, you know? not that i'm saying that i hate harry potter. it's just that some people do, and i think that they have the right to.


message 37: by Maya (new)

Maya (numerounochewylover) | 270 comments i guess that they do, but i hate bananas and i don't spend my time ranting with other ppl who feel the same. if you don't like it so much, why dwell on it? i find it kind of backwards...


message 38: by Gunjari (new)

Gunjari (Irajnug) | 732 comments hmmm... you have a point!
i don't particularly like bananas myself... however, when you really hate something, it always feel good to rant!!!


message 39: by [deleted user] (new)

i should make a group called david cook haters..... david cooks a big freak and yeah!! it feels good to rant about something/someone that you absolutely hate!! like i have this one friend and we spent like 2 hourse one day having an i hate david cook fest! it was really fun. and then i have this other friend and we had an I HATE _______ FEST!! (not going to say names)


message 40: by Gunjari (new)

Gunjari (Irajnug) | 732 comments i have a friend who's totally obsessed w/him... david cook ringtone, cellphone wall paper, songs on ipod and cellphone, posters, she tivos him all the time... spends hours drooling over pictures of him... (okay that last one was a bit of an exaggeration but you get the point) it gets kinda annoying after a while... but he is, in my opinion, a good singer!


message 41: by Maya (new)

Maya (numerounochewylover) | 270 comments OMG WHO IS DAVID COOK?!?!?!?!
ok, wait, my sister just told me. sry about that. oh, he's not all that good. i remember him now. i mean, there are much better people out there.


message 42: by [deleted user] (new)

hey Gunjari i hate your friend because she likes David cook. no offense or anything...


message 43: by Gunjari (new)

Gunjari (Irajnug) | 732 comments hmph. that wasn't very nice.


 ☠☼Serena☼☠ | 2 comments DUDE....DO NOT INSULT DAVID COOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....

yes he is a good singer...and he is hot and sexy...do not argue@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....do u have a problem if ur friend drools over pix of him??....u drool over archie's pix don't u??...so u can't complain...every girl's gotta have her own man!

in other words...shut ur fat face rachel..!but cute pic of archie...


message 45: by [deleted user] (new)

ha ha ha. that was actually funny. and im not a dude! and actually i dont drool over pics of him! i drool over videos of him on his blog. lol


message 46: by Swati (new)

Swati  (readerforevergmailcom) | 333 comments You know why they say he sucks? Because he's a "bad role model". Sure.


message 47: by Aegine (new)

Aegine | 359 comments Hmmm....no clue who these people are....


message 48: by Savannah (new)

Savannah Morrow (SCMorrow) | 319 comments I think that they are on American Idol (tv show), but I never watch that show.


message 49: by Novin, whose favortie character is Sirius Black. (new)

Novin | 575 comments Mod
Yeah, David Cook & David Archuleta were both on American Idol last season.


message 50: by Melyssa (new)

Melyssa | 48 comments A Harry Potter haters group? *snickers*...*Bwahahahaha*

How sad for them....especially since they apparently haven't read the books. Their loss.

And I love David Cook!


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