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message 1: by Sarah (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:30PM) (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) | 91 comments Mod
Discuss Gregory Maguire's novel and the musical version.


message 2: by Sarah (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:30PM) (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) | 91 comments Mod
Here's the link to the discussion that originally inspired this group, with some observations about Wicked:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show_g...

Incidentally, if you're a Gilmore Girls fan, you should join the Rory Gilmore book club! There are a lot of really great people over there and our discussions are very fun and insightful.


message 3: by Alison (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:32PM) (new)

Alison I've read the book but haven't seen the musical. From the clips I've seen on YouTube, it looks like the plot was really watered down. But it still looks like it stands alone as a good musical, despite that. It just looks a lot cuter and much less bleak than the novel.


message 4: by Meghan (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:35PM) (new)

Meghan | 17 comments Mod
Alison-you should definitely go see the musical if you have the chance! But go with the idea that it is "loosely" based on the book (loosely as in only the premise of the story is through Elphaba's viewpoint based). If you're looking for a musical version of the book, you will be sorely disappointed. But the music and story is fun. You won't leave the musical depressed or somber (like you may have been after reading the book).


message 5: by Sarah (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:35PM) (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) | 91 comments Mod
I think maybe part of the reason I didn't like the book was because I had heard the cast recording first. So I was expecting the book to be cute and light and funny like the musical, and got a big shock. But I think the music is so beautiful and the scenery and effects are so cool. Also when I saw it the performances were wonderful.

But, yeah, it's definitely watered WAY down and there are quite a few differences.


message 6: by Alison (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:35PM) (new)

Alison Someone just borrowed my "Wicked" for his wife. He said, "I know she'll like this, because she can zip through Harry Potter in one day!" And I was thinking, "Ummm, Wicked is no Harry Potter." Definetely dark, cynical, "soul-less", and with some, well, X-rated scenes. I wonder how soon I'll get it back....

I would looooove to see Wicked. I know it would be one of my favorites. I think I'm the only Ugly Betty fan here, but last week's episode had like a "Wicked: The Musical" theme and featured two songs.


message 7: by Erica (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:35PM) (new)

Erica Poole | 4 comments Oh, you are NOT the only Ugly Betty fan here! That is an awesome show, thank god ABC.com let's you watch episodes of shows online, including that, or I never would have been able to get into it last year, but now I have my TIVO and never miss it! I love Betty. I thought Justin was my favorite character, but amazingly enough, Mark is becoming that. I love what they are doing with him this year! And I loved that in that episode they actually really showed some of the play! And I LOVED how the episode ended! ;)


message 8: by Alison (last edited Aug 25, 2016 01:39PM) (new)

Alison Mark, Amanda, and Wilamena are the most under-rated characters on TV. Ugly Betty can be so cheesy and so brilliant at the same time. I have to think some of the ridiculousness is intended--because the dialogue is so funny. They have some of the best television writing to me...but I don't watch a lot of other stuff (contrary to what it may sound like). Basically Grey's & UB.


message 9: by Bella (new)

Bella I heard the cast recording first, and then read the book, and then saw the musical. I thought the musical was better then the book. The musical was less depressing and more uplifting. The book was a good book, but if they had used the exact plot the musical would have not been good at all.


message 10: by Victoria (new)

Victoria | 7 comments just from the soundtrack and bits of script ive heard and seen i like the musical.

heres a question. what about Stephen Schwartz novel? its the origional wicked (from my understanding)


message 11: by Victoria (new)

Victoria | 7 comments my mistake.....

its the updated wicked...
i believe its rly close to the musical


message 12: by Sarah (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) | 91 comments Mod
There's a Stephen Schwartz novel? What do you mean by original/updated?


message 13: by Victoria (new)

Victoria | 7 comments the stephen schwatrz version is new.. and it is mor like the musical.


message 14: by Meghan (new)

Meghan | 17 comments Mod
I am so behind the times...

Anyway, I love the musical for very different reasons than why I love the book. But I have to say, it's better to have read the book first and then see the musical. This way you are not trying to figure out how the musical was ever birthed from this book (something so light and frothy coming from such a dark and depressing book still amazes me). I know many people who've had such a hard time with the book because they were really expecting the musical.

I had a really hard time with the predictability of the musical though. But after I had heard that Maguire wanted the musical to be more family-friendly, I was okay with the changes. I think the changing into the tin man was my least favorite scene.


message 15: by Mona (last edited Jul 16, 2008 09:55AM) (new)

Mona | 5 comments Hello everyone! I am new to this club, just wanted to say hello. I am a HUGE fan of Wicked. I love the book and the musical. Actually, I love all things Wizard of Oz. :) I just like how different authors or people have taken a different take on a classic story. I have the whole musical memorized too... even my children like the songs! I love the book too even though it's very different. Just love the idea of seeing the witch in a different light... Looking forward to chatting with everyone again soon.


message 16: by Haylee (new)

Haylee Jalyn (hayleejalyn) Oh, how fun this is! I love these sort of discussions. ^^ I have to say that I agree with the majority of you in that the two are quite different. I am generally a happy person, so I tend to prefer the musical. But the two are so different and serve such different purposes that it's hard to hold them on the same scale.


message 17: by Meghan (new)

Meghan | 17 comments Mod
Mona - You bring up a good point. I actually never liked the story Wizard of Oz (the book is very weird, the movie is uber creepy with the whole monkey scene, and let's not get into "The Wiz"). But it wasn't until Wicked (both the book and the musical) that I started appreciating the imagination of the original story.


message 18: by Bridget (new)

Bridget | 1 comments I listened/memorized the music first, then i saw the musical on bway, THEN i read the book. I appreciated the book, but I TOTALLY prefer the musical. I'm a big theatre person,but it was my first time seeing anything on broadway so I was a completely blown away by the whole production.

One thing I liked about the musical was that it transfered one of the possible endings from the book. I really liked that fiyero came back in the musical adaptation('cause my god was he attractive!)
I also liked that there was no Leir(or however it is spelled) story line. I really didn't like that part of the book, it was fairly boring and annoying.

The only thing that I wish was different in the musical was boq. he was wayyy better in the book, but I totally get why they had him turn into the tin man. that was also a good twist.

I could talk/type for hours about this, but I'll cut it off here.



message 19: by Mona (new)

Mona | 5 comments Meghan, I am so glad that you started to like the Wizard of Oz storyline once you saw Wicked the musical and read the book. I know exactly what you mean about it being creepy. Those monkeys scared me too! I always find it interesting reading about l. Frank Baum and how he wrote the original stories.


message 20: by Meghan (new)

Meghan | 17 comments Mod
Yeah. I hated the movie. But loved the books. The movie is not really much like the books though. The second book is what I remember most. Mainly because of the Pumpkin dude.


message 21: by Annaka (new)

Annaka (lustzumreisen) I haven't read the book because my mom won't let me (I'm only 12), but I've seen the musical (and loved it! it was my 1st broadway musical!)and I've also heard that they're making a movie, which I know won't be half as good as the book OR the musical.

I really liked the musical and since I sing, I have performed "For Good" with my friend, who's also a really good singer (it's on youtube...just search anika and jordan sing for good)and this year in the talent show we're gonna do "What is This Feeling". We're already pretty good at it.


message 22: by Annaka (new)

Annaka (lustzumreisen) As you can tell by my picture, I'm a major Wicked fan.


message 23: by ♫Alisa♫ (new)

♫Alisa♫ (goodreadscomaah9726) | 4 comments I love Wicked, the book. The musical is really good!!!! They changed a few things around though.
My favorite songs:
Defying Gravity
Popular
What is this Feeling
Thank Goodness
and all of the other ones!!!!!!!

(I think that my picture shows that I am a major Wicked fan!!!!) Elphaba rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


message 24: by ♫Alisa♫ (new)

♫Alisa♫ (goodreadscomaah9726) | 4 comments I really like who they picked to play the parts.

Idina Menzel has an amazing voice, and Kristin Chenoweth can go really high!!!!!!!


message 25: by Marlaina (new)

Marlaina I think that the book was better than the musical. I feel this way because the musical added some things that were not in the original book, and also they deleted something out of the book (philosopher's club, Nessie's no arms). However, I am wondering, are they going to do Son of a Witch also?


message 26: by ♫Alisa♫ (new)

♫Alisa♫ (goodreadscomaah9726) | 4 comments I also think that the book was better than the musical. I was really mad though that they left out that Nessa didn't have arms, and instead just couldn't walk.

Yah, because in the book Elphaba died, and in the musical she didn't. Also, they when Elphaba gets a coma, or however you say it, which is really important to Son of a Witch!


message 27: by Sarah (last edited Dec 08, 2008 06:01PM) (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) | 91 comments Mod
Alisa wrote: "I also think that the book was better than the musical. I was really mad though that they left out that Nessa didn't have arms, and instead just couldn't walk.


How would you stage a musical with a character with no arms? How many armless Broadway actresses do you think there are? Would you instead have an actress with her arms tucked into her costume, which is ALWAYS obvious, and have it look cheesy? Some changes HAVE to be made.




message 28: by Marlaina (new)

Marlaina i am just saying!


message 29: by [deleted user] (new)

I've never read the book but I have seen the play. It is fantastic!!! I didn't see it with the originals. I just saw it last month but it was amazing. I don't know that I'm ever going to read the book because of some things I've heard about it. I'm glad they changed the musical so much, though, or I wouldn't have seen it!


message 30: by Rachel (new)

Rachel | 9 comments I'm like many of you, I've got the musical practically memorized. Both music and lines. I'm now reading the book, and I'm enjoying it, although it's an odd book. Unlike people who read the book then watched the musical and couldn't get the book out of their heads, I'm the opposite I can't get the musical out of my head when I'm reading it. I saw the musical for the first time last November. It was AMAZING. I fell in love with it. It has now taken place as my favorite musical, beating out Phantom (which is also great). I had the standby for Donna Vivino (Elphaba), but she was great! And all the characters are so funny. Just to say it again I LOVED it. And I could probably go on about this musical (as my closest friends and family know), but I won't.
Sorry if this was way long.


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