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message 1: by Athena (last edited Jul 12, 2011 11:03AM) (new)

Athena | 69 comments Mod
Okay so I was listening to this opera on the air plane, it was soooo sad (view spoiler)


message 2: by Whitlea (new)

Whitlea | 11 comments Meg accidentally shoots her. The Phantom tries to talk her down from suicide and it starts to work, but he says something along the lines of "everyone can't be like Christine". This jars her out of the security the Phantom had been trying to build up, so she accidentally pulls the trigger.


message 3: by Athena (new)

Athena | 69 comments Mod
It sounded more like she was trying to kill Gustave... But ya I figured. Poor Christine and Phantom.


message 4: by Whitlea (new)

Whitlea | 11 comments She does try to kill Gustav, but when that fails she threatens suicide.


message 5: by Athena (new)

Athena | 69 comments Mod
Ohhhh. Okay. Ya you don't get that part when listening to the music by itself.


message 6: by Christina (new)

Christina Williams | 17 comments I haven't heard the music from this although I assume its fabulous. I am completely opposed to the plot because it is based on a book I hated, The Phantom of Manhattan. I thought it did not fit with the musical at all and I really disliked the ending. I thought it was horrible to emasculate Raoul (literally).


message 7: by Whitlea (new)

Whitlea | 11 comments The music was pretty awesome, but the plot wasn't that great in comparison. :P I wasn't a fan, anyway... At least there wasn't anything about literally emasculating Raoul in the LND. O_o Sounds like a strange book...


message 8: by Athena (new)

Athena | 69 comments Mod
I didn't really like Raoul anyway. He's an alcoholic bastard. But the Phantom on the other hand... *whistles*


message 9: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) HE IS NOT A alcoholic bastard! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE WENT THROUGH. AND CHRISTINE SET A GREAT RULE TO THEIR SON, "HAVE AFFAIRS WITH STRANGE MEN". THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST KEPT OUT OF THE ORIGINAL STORY.


message 10: by Christina (new)

Christina Williams | 17 comments I have to agree. I thought the characterization of Raoul in the Phantom of Manhattan (on which Love Never Dies is based) was hideously untrue to his character in Phantom. There was no indication that Raoul was anything other than a nice guy. It was really a betrayal to the original Phantom what they did to the sequel.


message 11: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) It all ends up like it did in the first movie. Christine is dead. Raoul is heart-broken and miserable and old. Phantom is gone to whose knows where. Whenever will they ever learn that just because Phantom of Opera doesn't have a sequel doesn't mean you have to ruin it.


message 12: by Athena (new)

Athena | 69 comments Mod
I like Raoul very much in the first one9though I'm a phantom fan forever and always) but in love never dies, I got the impression that he wasn't the best kind of guy to be with. But then again I was only listening to the music, I've never seen the actually play. So...sorry if I offended. But like...most of the songs in the musical make him sound kind of greedy...


message 13: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments Dare I say I refuse to take sides in regards to LND? I don't follow the characterizations at all (especially in Raoul's case, poor fellow) and the music will never match up to the original's, but I don't see why the big stink over it either. If anything, it makes you appreciate the original even more.


message 14: by Athena (new)

Athena | 69 comments Mod
true. Though I must say my fav song from LND was "Beneath a Moonless Sky" or something like that. :P


message 15: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments I liked Beneath a Moonless Sky, too, but my favorite from LND was 'Til I Hear You Sing. That one was just...*sigh*


message 16: by Athena (new)

Athena | 69 comments Mod
lol


message 17: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) Ramin breaths life into that song Gemma and nobody could do it half as awesome as him. I admit I have been listening to LND but that one was..... *sign*


message 18: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments Oh, yes! I'm not a particular fan of Ramin *waits to be pelted with rotten tomatoes* but that song gave me the best kind of chills!


message 19: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) *wraps Gemma in a bear hug* I wouldn't throw some rotten tomatoes at you but I will ask you with an arc eyebrow why on earth don't you like Ramin? I mean it's the best besides Michael Ball and Colm Wilkerson.


message 20: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments Well, it's not that I don't like him, it's just that I'm not so familiar with him as, say, Michael Crawford, Gerard Butler, and John Owen-Jones. He does make a very stunning Phantom, though!


message 21: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) Come on tell me Gemma, what's the reason for not liking him?


message 22: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments There's no real reason, honest! I've just never seen him live, and all the YouTube videos I find of him aren't of the best quality for me to make a fair judgment either way. I've listened to the LND cast album, though, and it was wonderful!


message 23: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) I saw that you don't like Colm.


message 24: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments Oh, I like Colm well enough, he's just not one of my faves.

How did I fall into that one? LOL


message 25: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) And have you listened to his Music of the night? He holds the last note longer than Ramin, John and even Gerald and maybe even Michael but I am not sure.


message 26: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments I loved his Music of the Night! He definitely held the note longer than Gerard (since they looped that note for the movie anyway), but I don't know if he beat Michael or not. His voice is so intense, though...a lot more than most of the other actors I've heard.


message 27: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) It's so beautiful and intense!! I was almost won over to become Christine Daee and follow the guy wherever he wanted me to be....except that kissing Raoul on the other hand might be a little too much....I don't know.


message 28: by Lois (new)

Lois | 37 comments My personal opinion is that it didn't need a sequel. It ruins it. I just make up a sequel with me instead of Christine and it's much more fun!!!


message 29: by Listra (new)

Listra (museforsaken) | 9 comments I don't think I can judge the sequel so harshly. Story-wise, I hate it. I just don't understand how could even they have a son with all things in the plot of PotO. After Music of the Night scene, which is the last time we see Phantom and Christine together, there is a period of 6 months of "peace", when Phantom is nowhere to be found. Then we see him again at the Wandering Child, but Raoul was there as well, then the Final Lair. CMIIW, but I think the timing is very unlikely for both of them to have sex and have a child without Raoul knowing.

The plot is also so predictable, Phantom lost the air of mystery - which is his strong point both in the novel and in PotO. Christine comes back as an undecided girl she was in PotO, though more mature, but I still don't like the way she treats men in the story.

Perhaps I would approve more if Phantom falls in love with Meg instead and finds happiness at last, instead of sticking to a girl who cannot decide whether to love him or not.

But music-wise, I have to admit, it made me cry. The first scene moved me to tears, and also Once Upon Another Time, Beautiful/Beauty Underneath, and the finale. (Sorry for the length)


message 30: by Sharon (new)

Sharon (fiona64) The music, IMO, is far better than the appalling story line (based on Frederick Forsythe's horrible The Phantom of Manhattan, the only book I have ever literally thrown across a room in disgust).


message 31: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments I actually posted a lengthy review on LND on my blog, if anyone would care to read it. I did most of my ranting over there.
http://angels-protgeseclecticnonsense...

As for POM, that's one I would consider buying only if it was dirt cheap, and only for the pleasure of shredding, burning, and flushing it. Enough said.


message 32: by Listra (new)

Listra (museforsaken) | 9 comments I read that. "The Phantom doesn't write opera anymore; he writes cheesy vaudeville for Meg's new burlesque show! And Meg, by the way, is reduced to a stripper phangirl...in the Phantom's own universe!" Haha, I rememmber watching it and said to the Phantom, "You DIDN'T actually write Bathing Beauty for Meg, did you?" Compared to the PoNR and MotN, it's so horribly out of his musical character.

Never read PoM, though, and now that you say it, I won't.


message 33: by Sharon (new)

Sharon (fiona64) Listra wrote: "I read that. "The Phantom doesn't write opera anymore; he writes cheesy vaudeville for Meg's new burlesque show! And Meg, by the way, is reduced to a stripper phangirl...in the Phantom's own univer..."

If you thought the songs were out of character, "Phantom of Manhattan" would break your brain. Because, you know, Erik would *totally* run around Coney Island in a clown suit, complete with giant shoes. ::nods:: Frederick Forsythe is an otherwise *brilliant* author, and I really think he should be ashamed of this tripe.


message 34: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments I could MAYBE deal with a few of the out-of-character details, but not all of them at once. To be fair, I suppose I ought to try another Forsyth book so I'm not judging him based on one bit of garbage, but I definitely picked the wrong one to start with.


message 35: by Sharon (new)

Sharon (fiona64) Gemma Irene wrote: "I could MAYBE deal with a few of the out-of-character details, but not all of them at once. To be fair, I suppose I ought to try another Forsyth book so I'm not judging him based on one bit of garb..."

I highly recommend
The Odessa File.


message 36: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments Thanks, Sharon! I'll add it to my reading list!


message 37: by Lois (new)

Lois | 37 comments Anna wrote: "Ramin breaths life into that song Gemma and nobody could do it half as awesome as him. I admit I have been listening to LND but that one was..... *sign*"

I adore Ramin seriously. But I love Ben Lewis for LND. Ramin seems to young... Why oh why does no one like Ben ??? :(


message 38: by Lois (new)

Lois | 37 comments Listra wrote: "I don't think I can judge the sequel so harshly. Story-wise, I hate it. I just don't understand how could even they have a son with all things in the plot of PotO. After Music of the Night scene, w..."

I agree some of the story is seriously unrealistic. But I am seriously in love with it. It won't beat the original but the music is pretty close.


message 39: by Gemma (new)

Gemma | 71 comments Lois wrote: "Anna wrote: "Ramin breaths life into that song Gemma and nobody could do it half as awesome as him. I admit I have been listening to LND but that one was..... *sign*"

I adore Ramin seriously. But ..."


Ben Lewis is good for that song, and Ramin is better, but they both just got pwned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOkod...


message 40: by Sharon (new)

Sharon (fiona64) Gemma Irene wrote: "Ben Lewis is good for that song, and Ramin is better, but they both just got pwned."

You know, I adore Ramin ... but I tend to agree with you. John Owen-Jones' version of this song is *gorgeous.* Thank you so much for sharing!


message 41: by Aran (new)

Aran (aranjournal) So... I know this hasn't been much updated lately (like, two years...) but I've found this forum and just wanted to say that for all of you interested in the musical and its productions, you're gladly invited to http://loveneverdies-elamornuncamuere... (long name, sorry). You'll find all the news, pictures and videos from the musical's productions so far (london, australia, denmark, vienna, japan) and the future ones to come.


message 42: by Kris (new)

Kris | 3 comments Heard OF it, never SAW it. I know it's on DVD though...I saw it a while ago at Best Buy for like $5. Don't know anything about it, just that it takes place AFTER POTO.


message 43: by Emma (new)

Emma Is it coming to the us


message 44: by Kris (new)

Kris | 3 comments I have no clue if its coming to the US STAGE but it's out on DVD. You might want to see if EBay has it.


message 45: by Emma (new)

Emma Isn't it supposed to take place after the original????? I've read what it's about...


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