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Come on book 8 I need you. Ha!




Yes, neither am I. Not to say that his POV wouldn't be interesting and I'm sure that DG would make it an awesome read.
Why doesn't someone read his books??? Ah, Book 8!


No, he didn't and in Echo, Claire acknowledges that they were just wrong for each other.
I do think he cheated on her while they were married during the war, and I think that is part of his make up, as well. If DG shows that Frank believed and found evidence of the time travel, and actually did things and put things in place to make it easier for Claire to go back to Jamie and for Bree to meet Jamie, etc., then Frank will have redeemed himself..an agent of True Love (cue Princess Bride)

thoughts?

Claire DID go back in time, and she found an unparalleled love there. When she came back she was incapable of giving Frank her heart. She could only offer him half a marriage because everything that she was belonged to Jamie. I believe THIS was the catalyst to his affairs. He had affairs of the body, Claires heart belonged to another man. I believe that Frank cheats when there is distance, either actual physical distance, or the mental distance that was there later.
But in the end, he could have left her. He could have refused to give Bree his name. Claire didn't want him to. He tried to be supportive, and he was good to Bree. Sure he had a hard time with Claire going to be a surgeon, but I think that was the times (we can't be okay with Jamie spanking her and say 'it was the times' and not be okay with Frank's struggles with her leaving the house to become a doctor. Those were also the times. A womans place was in the household.) In the end he did support her, and he took care of them both.
I thought it was fitting that Jamie was greatful for that. And Claire respected Frank, and because of that I will too.
As far as love, I think that you can have an arrangement that will lead to love and that you can be happy with that, but I think I personally would absolutely definitely much rather have the heart pounding love of Jamie and Claire.
And interestingly enough I think that what Bree has with Roger is more like the love between Frank and Claire, I just don't feel the same passion that I feel with J&C.


Definitely, and especially because Bree so obviously looked like this other man. Every time he looked at her all he'd see was the man that Claire was with for those years. And he loved her anyway. That says something about the kind of man he was.

If Mama Bear goes back in time to rescue Jemmy --- Bree will be in danger, and Rob will find out that Bree can be a very dangerous person for the sake of those she loves.


I think Frank did the best he could. He was never cruel or treated Bree as anything other than his beloved daughter. I think he and Claire just ended up being two strangers living side by side and that's so sad.
Bree and Roger are passionate in their own way. I also think they've had a harder go at it both being from modern times and all the things that they had thrust upon them once passing through the stones. I agree that their marriage is most definitely not like Claire and Frank's. It's not yet Jamie and Claire's, but it's closer to that than the other. I feel that they both truly love one another and are dedicated to one another and their children. I've enjoyed watching their relationship blossom under all that's happened.

I also know that Bree told Roger that she didn't want a marriage of obligation, but that she wanted one of love. Well I think that CLaire thought she had that with frank, UNTIL she met Jamie.
It's just my opinion though. I still love Roger and Bree. I'm on the side who likes reading about them both, haha.

Oh, in the beginning! Ok. That makes more sense. I can see how you mean that. There's kind of the "elephant in the room" due (view spoiler) . Roger made the right decision and in the end it was because of love and not obligation. I think he even mentioned something to the affect of not being able to live without her, didn't he? They have, thankfully, made it past that. Rog's pretty dang sexy in his own way, too. ;)
I actually like and respect Frank for taking Claire back and accepting/loving Bree. I think Diana wanted us to be sympathetic to him and show us that he's not a bad man. Claire wouldn't have loved him in the first place had he been. I really can't blame him for the infidelity. Claire was unfaithful out of, first, necessity and then eventually because she'd found the love of her life. I don't really see that Claire minded it by that point b/c she was in love with/grieving for another man. She was never able to give Frank a true marriage from that point on. The fact that they remained together despite all that is a very sad, but wonderful testament to loyalty and responsibility.

I like Roger alot too. I think that he's a very deep character and I feel for him because he seems to always get the shaft. He followed Bree to the past and struggled to find who he could be there. He couldn't shoot. He wasn't great at the things Jamie was, what he thought 'men' were supposed to be. He was a scholar. It took him so long to find his place back then. But he finally did. He found his calling in helping the people with their devotion. Then it was all ripped away from him again and he had to start all over. He couldn't go back to the present day and his old life because he was a different man, he was changed completely. He was lost all over again. To make things worse, both in the past and present, he watched Bree constantly excel (she's her fathers daughter). I would have been Roger in this story, so I really care about him.

I agree! That's what's so great about Diana. You like Frank in the onset of Outlander. You then forget completely about him because Jamie eclipses him. However, she shows us that he is a good man. She shows us that it's hard to judge b/c he's an imperfect man who has given a lot in the end to both his women. It makes my heart hurt. Oh, and that letter he wrote to Rev Wakefield. Gosh.
I fear we have, yet again, gone off topic. LOL It's so hard to stay on track! I can talk ad nauseum about any part of this series.

Great analysis of Rodger Wendy. Well said!


Awww, people put them in the "least favorite" thread? :( Not cool.



I've always liked all the characters, but especially love Bree and Roger. I like seeing how they try to adapt to 18th century life. I feel for their plight. I admire their gumption to make it work.
- the fake gravestone
- the miniatures; surely he recognized Bree's style
- teaching Bree how to ride and shoot
- he is an expert historian of the Jacobite period and has researched his genealogy. He could have found:
- the Lallybroch sassine document with Claire's signature
- the marriage certificate between Black Jack and Mary showing Claire as a witness
- Claire's and Jamie's published books
Besides who collected all those letters and put them together?