Breaking Dawn (The Twilight Saga, #4) Breaking Dawn discussion


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Tiffany So I know that Bella became a vampire at the end of the book but in any interviews, etc did Stephanie ever say what happened to her parents. I know that there couldn't be many people to know about vampires but if I became a vampire I would've come clean to my parents and give them the choice to join. I always hated that authors never really considered this...does anyone know of a book that does confront this loose end. I always thought it was selfish to realize you can live forever but not share it with the parents etc. I wouldn't want to just up and leave and know my parents are going to die...anyone agree/disagree? And because I'm shameful if anyone is a fan of the Twilight series would you mind reading my book, Always Midnight and tell me what you think?-If you are not a fan of Twilight don't read it, you will not like it...


Carmon Read the Vampire chronicals by Anne Rice. I don't want to spoil anything but they would be great if you want the whole child sharing with the parent thing.

I agree with you, if I was a vamp and liked it i'd want to offer the choice to the people i love. In edwards case i can understand because he doesn't like being a vampire, but bella likes it so i don't see why she wouldn't offer, it doesn't make much sense unless she's just selfish.


Kristen Bella understood that if she made that decision, she'd have to leave her parents behind. That's the only thing that made the decision hard for her.
She reasons that Renee had Phil to take care of her now and that Charlie was fine by himself before she came. And he had Billy and then a little later Sue.

But it's not like Bella's a little kid anymore. She's an adult and would most likely have left her parents and started her own life around that time anyway. Just not in the mortality sense.

Bella's decision isn't the normal decision and generally not desirable. Just look at how the rest of the Cullens think of it - they make the best of how things are. It's not something any of them would have chosen. Bella's the weirdo. So, even if offered, they probably would not choose it.

And I doubt even Bella would want that for them. For her, Edward was all she ever wants out of life. She's willing to put up with 3 days of extreme torture and after that the constant overwhelming desire to kill people, to be with him forever. Not exactly something you wish on people you love. Especially when they don't have their own Edward to do it all for.


Carmon Kristen wrote: "Bella understood that if she made that decision, she'd have to leave her parents behind. That's the only thing that made the decision hard for her.
She reasons that Renee had Phil to take care of h..."


True but then there are all the other vampires who love what they are. It was pretty selfish for her not to offer in my opinionk, after all who is she to decide what her parents would and wouldn't want? They are both capable of making their own decisions and she should have offered them a choice.

But then again most of the characters in this series are self centred and don't seem to realize that other people are capable to making their own choices. They seem to think they are the centre of the world. It's stupid really, hence why i prefer deeper novels with characters that are actually believable.


Kristen Carmon wrote: "True but then there are all the other vampires who love what they are. "

Yes, but that's not exactly the kind of vampire Bella's planning on becoming. Still probably not the life you wish on anyone, especially those you love.


"she should have offered them a choice"

Sure. Right before they have her committed, lol
I doubt they would have believed her. Also, once they knew vampires existed, they would either have to become one or die - which actually became Bella's choice after the end of NM. It wasn't a choice between her life with her parents and her life with Edward. It was life or death.
So, they really wouldn't have an option. After Bella gives them the option to become a vampire, they would either have to choose it or choose to be killed by the Volturi. Not really much of a choice.


Carmon I don't agree if I had a lifestyle that i loved then i'd want to share it with my family and friends or at least tell them about it, and with none of the other vamps powers working on her then she could have done it without alerting the volturi.


Kristen Not if you think about what had taken place already and how the story progressed. After Bella makes that decision(and Edward agrees), the Volturi are already highly aware of her and are keeping tabs on them all.
Bella wouldn't have any idea about how to turn them, much less be able to actually do it w/o killing them. She would need Edward or Carlisle. And there's no way to keep it from the Volturi if either of them know about it.
Therefore, if they didn't choose it, they would be killed.

And she doesn't know she's going to love the lifestyle. She only knows she's going to love Edward. She doesn't exactly think everything else is going to be peachy.


Carmon Well looking at the fact that she had none of the usual fledgling blood lust i think it's quite likely that she could turn them without killing them, though she probably would have to wait for the hype to die down.


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Kristen Not really. She had a pretty hard time just being in the same room with Charlie. She was just more controlled than the average newborn. She still had the blood lust.
But even if she didn't, she wouldn't have known that before hand. And she would still have to know how to do it. There'd be no way around letting at least Carlisle know what she had in mind. And if Carlisle knew, so would Edward, and so would the Volturi.

Any way it turned out, her giving them that option would have been a death sentence for them.


Carmon She wouldn't have to do it straight away, she's got eternal life (more or less) and that gives her plenty of time to think about it and how she feels about her life. Not to mention that she's probably going to ask about how people are turned anyway, she doesn't have to mention that it's her parents or even that she intended to do it at all.


Elaine Tiffany wrote: "So I know that Bella became a vampire at the end of the book but in any interviews, etc did Stephanie ever say what happened to her parents. I know that there couldn't be many people to know about ..." I wouldn't mind reading your book where can I get it! I thought the same thing about the ending, she never wrote what happened to her mom. Her dad knew though. But please send me information about your book. I also wrote one and would love for you to read it also.


Tiffany wow im glad i brought this up because it was something that struck me as odd that each vampire story i read never addressed the issue thanks for the comments and diff. points of views...yeah and i knew about her dad knowing but i felt bad for her mom being left in the dark...because her mom wasn't really a major character i understood but i wish stephaine would write one more twilight and give me some closure lol and i still am confused about this imprinting with jacob and reenesme he won't be with her until she's seven?


Tiffany Tiffany wrote: "So I know that Bella became a vampire at the end of the book but in any interviews, etc did Stephanie ever say what happened to her parents. I know that there couldn't be many people to know about ..."

thanks cameron will do, because as I've said the vampire books I've read never addressed this...can't wait until pay day to start.


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Kristen Carmon wrote: "She wouldn't have to do it straight away, she's got eternal life (more or less) and that gives her plenty of time to think about it and how she feels about her life. Not to mention that she's proba..."

Sure, I guess. But I still think that'd be a really big gamble - her thinking she'd be able to do it w/o killing them. One she probably wouldn't be willing to take, since she wasn't really the big risk taker. With other people, I mean.
Bella's a newborn, and will have that overwhelming blood lust for a while. It isn't super easy after the first year - back when Jasper was telling her about his story, the one girl(Lucy?) said the other one should do it since she killed them more often than not.
That's the norm for vampires turning other people. Carlisle had super self control in that area, so he was able to not kill the others after a hundred years or so.

By the time Bella builds up enough self control to where she'd be confident enough to trust herself, her parents might very well be dead from old age.

But, yeah, I suppose she could at least offer without the volturi finding out. Maybe. It'd still be a gamble, though since there's always a possibility of them finding out if not through Bella, herself.

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Sorry, I had to edit this and add something. I have to take that last thing back. I don't think she would be able to offer without Edward knowing and therefore the Volturi probably finding out. I forgot about Alice. If Bella was thinking about doing that, Alice would probably see her. And if Alice knows, Edward probably will too. Not that the Volturi can't find out from Alice though...


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Kristen Tiffany wrote: "wow im glad i brought this up because it was something that struck me as odd that each vampire story i read never addressed the issue thanks for the comments and diff. points of views...yeah and i ..."

lol, an epilogue would be nice, I agree.

To me the whole Jacob/Renesmee thing is still pretty creepy. I mean, he made out with Bella. It's just twisted, lol.

Yeah, technically she'd be around seven, but then, Jacob is basically immortal if he chooses not to stop shifting, so he's got some time to wait around like that.

Hmmm...here's a thought, would their kids be immortal? Since she is and he can be if he chooses to?


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Tiffany Kristen wrote: "Tiffany wrote: "wow im glad i brought this up because it was something that struck me as odd that each vampire story i read never addressed the issue thanks for the comments and diff. points of vie..."

see thats a good question and i assume the kids would be immortal but what would they be? vampire/human/wolf?...omg i didn't even know that jacob would be immortal if he stopped shifting i completely missed that lol. yea i do think taht jacob/renesmee is still creepy and i never understood what possessed her to think of that but its her story im anxious to see how it shows in the movie.


Kristen Tiffany wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Tiffany wrote: "wow im glad i brought this up because it was something that struck me as odd that each vampire story i read never addressed the issue thanks for the comments and dif..."

lol, that really opens a whole new set of questions. Would they inherit the blood thing from the vampire side? Cuz that'd be sort of cannibalism, wouldn't it? And would they be able to shift into something like Jacob and be telepathic???
LOL, I don't think I like all the possibilities...
Then again, maybe she wouldn't be able to have kids after a certain age, whenever she stops growing, since she'll be immortal and maybe like the vampire girls, unable to get pregnant.

No, actually Jacob is only immortal if he keeps shifting. If he stops, he starts to age again. That's why Leah was so bitter, b/c she was stuck that way. Well, that and the thing with Sam, anyway.

Yes, I'm very interested to see how in the world they will do Renesmee in the movie. I'm thinking it'll either be creepy or cheesy. But who knows, maybe I'll be wrong. lol hopefully...


Carmon Kristen wrote: "Tiffany wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Tiffany wrote: "wow im glad i brought this up because it was something that struck me as odd that each vampire story i read never addressed the issue thanks for the ..."

It would be interesting to see what a vampire/wolf/human hybrid would look like but judging on most of the other vampire or were stories Renesmee probably wouldn't be able to get pregnant at all...

Still if she did it would be interesting


Kristen Maybe. Or maybe she'd be considered 'human', fertility wise, until she reaches that age(I forget how old) when she stops growing and then after that is considered 'vampire' since her body can't change anymore.
So maybe the kids would be like immortal human/wolves. lol


Carmon Kristen wrote: "Maybe. Or maybe she'd be considered 'human', fertility wise, until she reaches that age(I forget how old) when she stops growing and then after that is considered 'vampire' since her body can't cha..."

Maybe, though with her body ageing and changing so rapidly it would be hard to carry out a pregnancy i imagine.


Kristen Very true.
Bella's pregnancy wasn't really normal, though. So maybe it'd be more like that.


Carmon Kristen wrote: "Very true.
Bella's pregnancy wasn't really normal, though. So maybe it'd be more like that."


It would be interesting to see if Renesmee would be able to survive something like that, not being a full vampire.


Kristen Yes, it would.
I wonder if she would have any...extra protection that humans don't have. Like, if it would take way more to kill her than the average person.
Although, I imagine having a vampire/wolf/possible vampire clawing it's way out of her stomach would do it...unless it's different from it's mother and would be born the normal way b/c of the wolf/human side...

lol, there's just too many possibilities here. my head's starting to hurt, haha


Mandy I would have told my parents I had been turned. But I never would've wanted to be turned myself. I do understand Bella wants to stay the same age she is, because Edward is going to stay the same age too. I wouldn't want to grow old and die in front of him. But maybe I would have chosen for another life then, another love. Normal life/love.
If her parents would have wanted to be turned as well, maybe they should have been given the option. But to make it 'their right'? Something tells me they wouldn't want to live forever, they'd rather have a normal life and death. And they would've wished that upon Bella too. Because a lifetime together with someone you love is enough, most of the time. Eternity is a VERY long time to look at the same face...


AlbertaJenn Well, chldren are supposed to outlive their parents. At least, that is how it should work. Maybe not by thousands of years, but if she really didn't fit in the human world, and felt like she was an outcast, then why should she not make a choice to be as she feels she belongs?

And I think her parents are much more comfortable as humans than they would have been as vampires.


Kayles The thing is, Charlie was introduced to this world and he is going to be in Bella's life. What dissapointed me is that there was no mention of Bella's mom and how Bella was going to deal with the situation. I mean, she can't avoid her mom forever. And I'm sure her mom would be super pissed if she found out what Bella has become. But I think it all comes down to selfish teenagers. Bella is madly in love and as long as she's with Edward, she doesn't really care about what her parents think. And one day in the future she might have to deal with the consequences of not initially caring enough to really sort her human life out with her parents. But she is young, naive and in love. So why would she care to tell her parents anything. She's a teenager (now and forever).


Brandi well if that was my daughter and i was told that she would never grow old then i would freak and then cry to know that my daughter is not ever gonna grow old or have any more grandkids


Mochaspresso Breaking Dawn hints at it. Jacob reveals to Charlie that he's a werewolf. He meets Renesmee and it is implied that he knows that she is his granddaughter. He also knows something is up with Bella. He doesn't know exactly what and takes the "less is more/I don't really need to know" stance. He's aware of the Quiluete legends regarding the Cullens and he sees the changes in Bella. He just chooses not to question it any further. He's just glad that she is all right and that he can get the chance to see her.


Missyb Tiffany wrote: "So I know that Bella became a vampire at the end of the book but in any interviews, etc did Stephanie ever say what happened to her parents. I know that there couldn't be many people to know about ..."

The Argeneau series by Lynsay Sands they move to another town and change names, and return 40 - 50 years later pretending to be their nephew or son, to avoid being noticed that they are not aging. They also cannot have contact with their human family. It is part of why some of the ladies have put off the decision to be turned.


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