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message 1: by Jon (last edited Aug 22, 2008 05:08PM) (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments It's been such a hectic week I didn't touch base at SciFi Wire until just now. Can't believe I missed this new series announcement:

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index....

At least they'll be something not completely low budget on SciFi next year.

And GateWorld had these articles on the new series as well:

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/08...

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/08...



message 2: by Jeanne (new)

Jeanne (jeannekc) | 33 comments The quotes in these articles really disturb me. Such as "deliberate attempt to bring in younger viewers" and "less sci-fi mythology", seems like they are missing the point. This jury is holding out on making any decisions till I see it, but I am exercising an extreme caution.


message 3: by KristenR (new)

KristenR (klrenn) | 127 comments I feel the same way, Jeanne. I love the show precisely for its sci-fi mythology. I'll reserve judgement, but it doesn't bode well fo rme.

I'm also disappointed that Atlantis is ending after this season!


message 4: by Jeanne (new)

Jeanne (jeannekc) | 33 comments Agreed! I love Atlantis and will miss it greatly.


message 5: by Jerrod (new)

Jerrod (LiquidAzrael) | 58 comments I hope Sci-Fi does it right, they have a nasty habit of screwing up great ideas. I loved SG-1, but didn't get into Atlantis very much. I'll rent it when it comes out on DVD, or download an episode or two.


message 6: by Jackie (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) SG1 was phenomenal. Atlantis was good at first, but the excitement level waned significantly for me as time went on.
I'll check out Universe, but I'm not holding out much hope for it. The new Gates can't compare to the intelligence, humor and fantastic characters of the original Stargate.


message 7: by Kevinalbee (new)

Kevinalbee | 188 comments I don't expect much for stargate universe.

It seems to me to be much like Sactuary. So what>>>

I hope they can build a chemisty. Even stupid Ideas Like the land of the giants can work if you cna connect with the characters


message 8: by Alex (new)

Alex (little_Alex) | 29 comments Jeanne wrote: "Such as "deliberate attempt to bring in younger viewers" and "less sci-fi mythology", seems like they are missing the point."

Yeah, I totally agree. I really don't know how I'll feel about the new series.

Anyway, I really liked SG-1, and I don't know, Atlantis wasn't half bad either (I just have a thing for McKay).




message 9: by bsc (new)

bsc (bsc0) | 251 comments I'm hoping Universe is a bit darker. Somewhere between Atlantis and BSG would be good. Atlantis was just too light and predictable for me. The first few seasons of SG-1 were very well done but I doubt they will be able to recreate what made it so good.


message 10: by bsc (new)

bsc (bsc0) | 251 comments Somewhat interesting announcement from John Scalzi. He's joining Stargate Universe as a creative consultant.


message 11: by Jon (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments Ben wrote: "Somewhat interesting announcement from John Scalzi. He's joining Stargate Universe as a creative consultant."

I was digging around on GateWorld and found the article:

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/01...

But also found that the series premiere has been moved to the fall (rather than the normal summer slot):

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/01...


message 12: by Jon (last edited May 22, 2010 06:21AM) (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments I almost fell out of my chair last night at the blatant product placement by Creative Consultant John Scalzi during last night's 'Subversion' episode. When Rush, in Telford's body, left his escort's car, the soldier in the car displayed his reading material, Old Man's War. I recognized the cover in the split second it was displayed and had to rewind the DVR and pause it to explain to my husband why I was chortling.


message 13: by Jon (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments I should have checked his blog first:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/05/21...

:)


colleen the convivial curmudgeon (blackrose13) | 1661 comments I watched SGU the first season, and we watched the first episode of the second season... and then gave up. I liked SG1 because of the characters and because they mixed a light-hearted campiness with some seriousness. I never watched Battlestar 'cause it seemed more inter-drama soap opera in space, and less sci-fi. SGU was the same. I know some people prefer it that way, I'm just not one of them. *shrugs*


message 15: by Kriss (new)

Kriss A Erickson (slverkriss) | 33 comments For some reason I could not get into that series. It had all the stuff--alternate worlds, interesting cultures and creatures, etc. but I just didn't get into it. Maybe I will give it another chance after reading your comments.


message 16: by Jon (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments I almost didn't stick with the first half of this season. The second half improved, to the point where I actually look forward to Fridays now so I can see another episode.


message 17: by Michelle (new)

Michelle Travaille (shelbyone) | 17 comments I have been watching Universe and must admit I don't like it as much as the other series. I like the darkness of it but, for me anyway, it doesn't have the camaraderie and humour (even in the dark spots) of the other series. It's only now, in the second half of the first series, that they're actually meeting up with alien races. I think that's what I miss as well. I'm hoping as it goes on it will improve even more.


message 18: by Mawgojzeta (new)

Mawgojzeta I have been loving this series. I was really worried, because it was the third new set of characters for me (SG1 and SGA). But, I have been a fan of Robert Carlyle since "Trainspotting" and "The Full Monty" so I was quite excited anyway. He does not disappoint. And, neither do the rest of the cast.

Although I would not have minded at all following the same style as SG1, I like that it is a bit different than the first two shows. It certainly was influenced by the popularity of BSG and I am o.k. with that.


message 19: by Jon (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments Just a bit disappointed in the return to SGU last night. Looks like we're headed towards a supernatural/paranormal or religious direction rather than science fiction.


message 20: by Usako (new)

Usako (bbmeltdown) | 89 comments SGU has to set itself apart from the other series so I'm not surprised by the direction.

I think it's TV's way of gaining a greater audience who is still too off-put by pure sci-fi.


message 21: by Bill (new)

Bill (kernos) | 424 comments Tanja wrote: "SGU has to set itself apart from the other series so I'm not surprised by the direction.

I think it's TV's way of gaining a greater audience who is still too off-put by pure sci-fi."


Does this ruin it for us genre lovers? I am sick of the over-sentimental crap putting out as SF now. It ruined the new BSG and the new Who? for me. I am re-watching SG1 and SG Atlantis now, 2-3 eps a nite, great stuff. Janet Frazier died last nite and it was handled with some delicacy, not overly sentimental.


message 22: by Betelgeuze (last edited Dec 14, 2010 08:50AM) (new)

Betelgeuze | 49 comments I watched the first 6 or 7 episodes of SGU and then gave up on it. They should have named the show "As the Stargate Turns" it is more a soap opera than a space opera. So i agree with Kernos that SF on tv isn't what it used to be.

SF on tv these days tens to focus on more on drama than on the science and exploration aspect. Some shows that are labelled SF like Fringe aren't science fiction at all, they are fantasy.

I think that it is somewhat sad that there appears to far less interest in true SF. The more traditional SF tv shows like Star Trek come from the human desire to explore. It contained admiration of science and progress, it spoke to the human imagination.

I would really like to see a tv show that focusses on the science and exploration aspect, but looking at the current trend in tv SF i doubt we will see such a show anytime soon.


message 23: by Jackie (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) SGU has surpassed my expectations. Admittedly, they weren't that high to begin with. I really like the dark edginess of SGU, none of the other 'Gates had anything like it. I don't want a copy of what's been done before, and SGU delivers that. We're in unchartered territory, not just physically but emotionally, with the hard choices that have to be made. Which is why I love Dr. Rush, a ruthless selfish bastard but he does what needs to be done.


message 24: by [deleted user] (new)

Welp. Cancelled. I really, really hate SyFy


message 25: by Jackie (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) WTF? I am SO DONE with Siffy!

Thanks for the news, Ala, I'd rather know now that be blindsided later.


message 26: by [deleted user] (last edited Dec 16, 2010 05:19PM) (new)

You're welcome.

I guess they needed the slot so they can air their new show, WWE Presents: Ghosts of Wrestlers Hunters vs Shartopotocrocorannah.

edit: I'm waiting for them to axe Eureka and Warehouse 13 and just rename the whole channel to "Spike TV 2.0"


message 27: by Jackie (last edited Dec 16, 2010 05:23PM) (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) Ala wrote: I guess they needed the slot so they can air their new show, WWE Presents: Ghosts of Wrestlers Hunters vs Shartopotocrocorannah.
Hahahaha, thanks, I really needed a laugh!

Seriously, though, they have all those slots with nothing good in them! They've really gone downhill in a big way and it just keeps getting worse.


message 28: by [deleted user] (new)

It's never going to end, really. They don't want to be a Sci-Fi network anymore, for some reason.

I just don't get it. Why buy a station called "SciFi" which shows, strangely enough, sci-fi shows and then change it to something completely different? Why not just buy some other lame station and change that instead?

Just pisses me off.


message 29: by Jackie (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) Ala wrote: Just pisses me off.

I second that.


message 30: by Jon (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments Jackie wrote: "Ala wrote: Just pisses me off.

I second that."


Thirded.


message 31: by Paul (new)

Paul (ViaLupez) | 33 comments Jon wrote: "Jackie wrote: "Ala wrote: Just pisses me off.

I second that."

Thirded."


Forthed?? is that right

Just heard the news yesterday. I'm only half way through season one. Another show with quality I've invested time in. I'm beginning to think I should just read reviews of decent shows that have finished with a proper storyline and then buy the DVD's and watch then knowing I wont be left in limbo


message 32: by Jackie (last edited Jan 01, 2011 01:25PM) (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) Paul wrote: I'm beginning to think I should just read reviews of decent shows that have finished with a proper storyline and then buy the DVD's and watch then knowing I wont be left in limbo

It's difficult to decide what to watch these days. Not only do you have to decide if it's what you like, but you have be able to see the future and figure out if it'll last and if it'll have a proper ending.
Paul's idea is sounding like the best option to me right now, just wait it out.


message 33: by Mach (last edited Jan 01, 2011 01:40PM) (new)

Mach | 102 comments I didn't like SU and stopped watching it. A science fiction show that is a must see is Battlestar Galactica, the best science fiction show i have seen.

Empire is the biggest film and tv magazine in the UK if you want accurate reviews by professionals check out http://www.empireonline.com/ all their reviews are to my experience accurate.


message 34: by Bill (last edited Jan 03, 2011 07:54AM) (new)

Bill (kernos) | 424 comments I have not seen SGU yet. We have season 1 on blu-ray and are awaiting season 2 before watching. From what I have read, I don't think it will be as much fun as the earlier Stargates. We are re-watching SG:SG1 now and will move to SG Atlantis.

I did not like the new BSG, but loved the original, real BSG. I thought the new one was to soapy, sappy and way too sentimental. I don't think there was 1 episode where someone was not crying. I thought it like Dallas in outer space. [hated Dallas too]


message 35: by [deleted user] (new)

SG:U is nothing like the previous SG series. It went the way of the revamped BSG and tried for a more serious tone, which I honestly liked.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the campy fun of the original SG1, and to a lesser extent SG:A. But SG:U is an SG franchise in name only, really.


message 36: by Jackie (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) I concur, Ala.


message 37: by Paul (new)

Paul (ViaLupez) | 33 comments The more serious tone of SGU as Ala said is what got me hooked and had never thought about it being similar in tone to BSG but youre right. Have the last 2 episodes of Season 1 to watch tonight.
Kernos, how much of a chance did you give the new BSG. It too me a few episodes but I think after Firefly its been the best Sci-Fi series on TV


message 38: by Jon (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments SGU came back Monday night (in the States on Syfy) for the last ten episodes. My thoughts on 'Deliverance' ... http://mossjon314159.wordpress.com/20...


message 39: by Jackie (last edited Mar 10, 2011 07:24AM) (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) Great review.
I love Rush. I may not like him much but I love his dedication to the mission. He does what has to be done and in a dire situation like onboard Destiny those hard decisions have to be made. Young is too emotionally attached to the people onboard to be a truly effective leader. Popular, yes. Effective, no.
With that said, I couldn't agree more about Rush's behavior concerning Chloe. The only way he'd get help for her with those aliens is if it would benefit Destiny. Then being nice to her later, like he actually cares about Chloe, no, it doesn't ring true, not for the Rush I know.
The whole episode was too far-fetched. I have no problem stretching the imagination, but this ep had no logic. Why would the aliens help Chloe since they're the ones who changed her in the first place and she would have been a valuable source of info for them? The seed ship aliens, why change their tune now after they betrayed Destiny?
Chloe was only interesting when she was turning into an alien, otherwise she was a whiny useless character. I'm disappointed they changed her back to human. I don't see the point since the show is ending, how important is it that she become human? Not very.
I'm still hoping for a kick-ass season leading up the the finale.


message 40: by [deleted user] (new)

Gotta remember this stuff was filmed before they got the cancellation notice, so they may have had something else entirely in mind down the road that we'll never get to now.

In regards to the seedship aliens, I figured since they were the last of their peoples(their world being destroyed by the other drone ship and all), going out in a blaze of glory was all that was left to them. It's what I would've done.

The other aliens fixing Chloe I put down to them trying to get all the Destiny info out of her that they could. And who knows, maybe they planted something else in her that no one knows about.

And yeah, the whole Rush becoming some sort of caring person was a complete "wtf?" moment. I hope it's just a ploy...


message 41: by Jackie (last edited Mar 10, 2011 10:02AM) (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) Ala wrote: The other aliens fixing Chloe I put down to them trying to get all the Destiny info out of her that they could. And who knows, maybe they planted something else in her that no one knows about.

OK, that sounds more like it.

I'm pretty sure the writers had an inkling they'd be cancelled. I did. And if I did, then they should have and planned accordingly. It's at the point where every series needs to film a 'wrap up' episode in case of cancellation. Yeah, I know, extra work and all that, but that's why they get paid the big bucks.


message 42: by [deleted user] (new)

I wish they'd do a decent wrap-up episode, but apparently they're just going to finish airing what they've got left and maybe do one or two tv movies for the wrap-up.

Ah well...


message 43: by Jackie (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) One movie maybe. Definitely not two. Even when the original SG1 did the wrap up movies, the second one wasn't necessary.


message 44: by Ben (new)

Ben Babcock (tachyondecay) | 138 comments Jackie wrote: "I'm pretty sure the writers had an inkling they'd be cancelled. I did. And if I did, then they should have and planned accordingly. It's at the point where every series needs to film a 'wrap up' episode in case of cancellation. Yeah, I know, extra work and all that, but that's why they get paid the big bucks."

It's not a matter of extra work; it is, as all things are, about the money. Where would they get the money from their budget to eke out an extra episode that might never be needed?

Besides, a single "wrap up" episode would not help, not when they have a story arc that is five years in length. It would be disrespectful to the fans to try to tie up the loose ends so quickly. That's part of the point though: in order to be great, one has to take risks. Sometimes those risks don't pay off, and the result is a cancelled show with a cliffhanger ending. Wright and Cooper could have played it safe and were no doubt aware of their precarious situation while writing season 2. But if they had taken the safe path, it would have been that much more difficult to continue writing the next season had the show been renewed. And think of the message that would send to the network.

SyFy announced the show's cancellation in December. The producers probably didn't know for certain the show's fate until a little earlier than that. The season finished filming in November, so their hands are tied. They didn't plan for failure, because they were willing to take risks. And although I don't really like Stargate Universe all that much, I admire them for that.

I too hope that the show continues in some form, if only because it would suck not to have some Stargate around. Unfortunately, I'm not certain SyFy will be keen on making any movie deals with MGM—the situations that led to the SG-1 and Atlantis movies were different. Who knows if the Atlantis movie is even going to finish development now?

It would be cool if another network picked up the show, but when your country's nominal "science fiction channel" that supposedly broadcasts science fiction broadcasting cooking shows instead … I weep for the future.


message 45: by [deleted user] (new)

But it's a sciency cooking show


message 46: by Jackie (last edited Mar 11, 2011 08:10AM) (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) Ben wrote: It would be disrespectful to the fans to try to tie up the loose ends so quickly

But leaving fans hanging with no resolution is infinitely more respectful? ;)

About the money. Right and they're not making plenty of it off advertising revenue? Seems to me I see lots of commercials on every episode so they've got the money. They just don't want to spend it.

True, they didn't get the cancellation notice til December. But I knew last year by the ratings that it wouldn't last. It barely got renewed for this season. They had some idea and that's what pisses me off.

Or, here's an even better idea, Stop writing shows with 5 year plans if they can't guarantee those 5 years.

Either way I'm not letting them off the hook. I'm annoyed at how many shows do this long term writing for one or two season shows.

One thing I can guarantee: I won't be watching any new programming from Siffy ever again.


message 47: by Ben (new)

Ben Babcock (tachyondecay) | 138 comments Jackie wrote: "But leaving fans hanging with no resolution is infinitely more respectful? ;)"

Not infinitely, no. But any wrap-up episode would just be bad. It's not possible to wrap up so many storylines in a coherent way in forty minutes.

Jackie wrote: "About the money. Right and they're not making plenty of it off advertising revenue? Seems to me I see lots of commercials on every episode so they've got the money. They just don't want to spend it."

Advertising revenue goes to the network, not the studio. The network commissions a certain number of episodes from the studio. I'm not sure if the studio gets a percentage of advertising revenue or if it gets a fixed dollar amount per episode or a lump sum for the entire season. But advertising revenue for SGU doesn't go directly back into producing more SGU.

If the producers had decided to create an extraneous episode for the eventuality of cancellation, they would have had to take money from somewhere else in the budget. Something would have suffered. And that doesn't seem very smart when they are trying to produce the best show possible in order to avoid cancellation.

That's my point. The producers can't plan for the eventuality of cancellation, because if the network sees that type of pessimism, why would it bother renewing the show? If the producers don't think it's worth being renewed, the network isn't going to take the risk. That type of behaviour is exactly why we get mediocre television, shows that aren't bad per se but also aren't very good: the producers are skilled enough to write well, but they are too cautious to take the risks that would make the show truly impressive.

I don't blame the producers of SGU for having a five-year plan. When they first started planning the show, they were in a good place. Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis had done very well for themselves; SGU was supposed to be SyFy's flagship show. That didn't turn out so well. I do blame the producers for not producing something awesome; I wish the show had been better, although I'm aware that quality is not the only factor, and perhaps not a major factor, in SGU's demise.

It sucks that SGU got cancelled—more so, in my opinion, because it means no Stargate in general, and it's not good for science-fiction television as an industry. But it would suck even more if the trend toward cautious television production grows more extreme. Television networks and studios are already so insanely cautious. They produce more of what is currently popular ("oh, oh, how about another vampire show?! How about a cop show—we only have three right now!") because that's what works. I don't want to see producers become more cautious, especially not when it comes to science fiction. If you want safety and security, go watch a sitcom or a soap opera. I want my science fiction to think big and to take risks. Sometimes it's going to fail. But when it does, I want it to fail spectacularly.


message 48: by Jackie (last edited Mar 11, 2011 08:57AM) (new)

Jackie (thelastwolf) I hear what you're saying Ben.
The current trend toward early cancellation sucks and it's ruining television. Unfortunately, I am now in the position of having to judge a show before it starts, not if it's going to be good, but if it's going to get cancelled. That's bad for business, IMO.

Don't get me started on cop, legal and medical dramas! How can anyone watch the same thing over and over again? Ugh. But that's network TV. It's a shame that a channel specifcally for scifi airs minimal scifi. I've lost all interest in Siffy. Once Eureka and Haven are cancelled, I'll never have to go there again.


message 49: by Bill (new)

Bill (kernos) | 424 comments Paul wrote: "...Kernos, how much of a chance did you give the new BSG. It too me a few episodes but I think after Firefly its been the best Sci-Fi series on TV "

I watched the entire series on DVD - back to back. It was an effort. My problem with it was too much a human drama, too sentimental (was there 1 episode without someone crying?), human 'aliens', the retro look of the interiors, very little science. It was about the human state and not really SF. It was too real for me to enjoy as SF. I can watch the original BSG over and over. I doubt I will watch the new again.

Stargate Universe suffers from a lot of this too, IMO. All the time spent using the stone to go back to earth to see relative or lovers bore me. But, there are aliens and exploration. I like it better than BSG, but not nearly as much as SG1 or Atlantis.


message 50: by Jon (new)

Jon (jonmoss) | 894 comments Last night's episode much improved over last week. I look forward to re-watching it later in the week.

My thoughts (with some few spoilers, but only from the first ten minutes of the episode) found here: http://mossjon314159.wordpress.com/20...


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