Axis Mundi X discussion
So, pick a VP already!
drudge is saying obama is down in the polls.this is hillary's moment. if he's still behind by the time they hold that convention floor vote, she will strike.
why else would she have held on to her delegates.
the republicans don't have much of a bench this year. romney is coma inducing. jindal's too young, huckabee is named huckabee. i'm already resigned to lesser evil mode with mccain. just pick someone and get it all over with.
Hillary can strike all she wants. She lacks both the delegates and the superdelegates to do anything relevant. Fuck her.The DNC kowtowing to her smacks of cowardice. Howard Dean should have told the Clintons to shut the fuck up and support their candidate. Let her cry in private. This is the time for the party to be united, but, nooooooo! The crybaby Clintons have to ruin it for everyone.
No wonder I can't stand the DNC anymore. I feel so betrayed.
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in a bar fight?
like the hussy that she is?
wearing a pirate shirt open to his navel, on the pitching and heaving decks of his frigate?
on a sleigh ride?
for all she's worth?
: )
Funniest. Comment. Ever. Well played, Madame Charissa. Well played.
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Those churlish rose blossoms look EXACTLY like the churlish rose blossoms I planted in front of my house.Looks like I have a churlish thumb, not a green thumb.
sarah palin is a cutie, and has a decent reputation. she's thin on foreign policy, but it's not like obama can attack anyone on lack of experience.i suspect the clintons would be willing to see the entire democrat party go down in flames if it gave her a clean shot at 2012. but that's their problem, not mine.
McCainHope: Lincoln Chafee
Fear: Ridge
Do Not Want: Romney
Obama:
Hope: Sibelius
Fear: a Republican of some sort
Do Not Want: Clinton
I just hope the VP goes back to being someone whose job is to 1. cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate, and 2. take over if the President becomes incapacitated. I don't support the "let's have the VP do more stuff" argument.
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Hope: Lieberman
Fear: huckabee/Romney
Do.Not.Want> Romney
Sarah Palin: She is a straight shooter, and has made a name for herself in stomping the shit out of dirty crooks. But she is a newbie. Give it 8 years and we will see. (oh and she is pretty hot)
Obama:
I would rather not throw my vote in on this one. I just don’t care for the man/policies. If he wins then it doesn’t really matter to me. I’ll just hold my breath and hope I come out alright in 4 years
It's probably going to be Bayh on Obama's side, I think. Which is kind of depressing, because I just couldn't care less about the man. I guess you could say worse about a VP candidate, though.McCain:
Do. Not. Want.: Romney or Huckabee, or anyone off the crazy Christian right.
It’s funny that everyone is so afraid of Romney. I personally don’t want him as VP, because I would rather he headed up the Department of the Treasury. You know he’s a financial genius if the liberals in MASS. were able to grit their teeth and vote him in. I’m indifferent to Obama’s choice, because I’m not voting for him, regardless. And I just assume that, as usual, McCain is going to disappoint me with whomever he chooses, so I’m trying not to think about it.
Good point Rusty. Romney probably would be a better fit at Treasury. I wonder why anyone fears Ridge, though. He actually did a good job as Pennsylvania Governor. He lowered the state income tax, he instituted tax free zones for businesses in depressed areas. He shocked a poor performing Philadelphia school with a state take-over threat and then headed Home Land Security at its creation.
ooooo that crazy christian right. Wacky! But that crazy christian left is just dandy eh?
I still say Party Boy for BO.....now that would be a fun administration. Next time Putin invades a country, BO sends out Party Boy to shake hi butt until he agrees to a ceasefire. Personally, I'd give him 4 seconds before he knuckles under.
This may be debatable but I do not think Romney and Ridges religions are part of the Christian right.
Debatable true, but look at Romney's record. He was an effective and popular governor of one of the most liberal states in the country. I think he's demonstrated that he reallizes his personal beliefs are just that - and need not be foisted upon the electorate. Ridge never struck me as part of Christian right, but then I'm not too familiar with him. Huckabee is most definitely - I'm much more uncomfortable with his candidacy than Romney's.
Not Bill, I'd be interested in learning about the Krazy Kristian Left™ seeing as the Right seems to think we're all godless and going to Hell, anyway...
if you're interested in learning about the christian left, look up some of jeremiah wright's sermons on youtube. the "ridin' dirty" one is my favorite.
Tinity United Church of Christ...thanks Varmint.
“the Right seems to think we're all godless and going to Hell, anyway...”Xysea, yes you are correct that there are some very judgmental people on the fringe of the Christian Right, but they do not constitute the main part of Christians, much less the main part of the Right. It is important not to mistake ideologies of those on the outer fringes for those of the mainstream. I understand very well that the freaks in Berkley do not represent the mainstream of the Left. And you need to understand that the freaks who yell at women going into abortion clinics do not represent the mainstream of the Right. I think that most of us Christians understand that it is God’s place to judge, not ours. Personally, I’m too busy trying to avoid hell myself to worry about who else might be going there.
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Likely as not, I’ll beat you there, Charissa. If I do, I’ll save you a seat, and find some really good badger-pokin’ spoons.
The Christian left gives some crazy sermons. Fine. What exactly are they doing, though? The Christian right is trying to restrict women's reproductive rights and the rights of gays to marry. What's the equivalent on the Christian left?
ummmm I'd say their sermons are little beyond "crazy". The equivalent on the Christian Left would be the divest from Israel movement that swept through many a Christian church. I broke from my church when they hopped on that bigoted bandwagon.
Is that all? That's private action. How are they using the power of Government to restrict people's choices, like the right is doing?
I don’t accept your contention, Dave. You’re asking someone to respond to you operating within your personal morality.
I'm sure I understood your post, Rusty. NB, is the Green Party a religious organization?
You asked a question, Dave, and I answered it. I can't help it if you don't like the answser.
I asked about the religious left, though, not the Green Party.
Perhaps I didn't say "religious" in msg. 37, but it was implied by my previous message.
Your implication then is that the Green Party is made up purely of communists and atheists?
What I understood from your post #37 Dave, is that you don’t appreciate activism when it’s for causes with which you don’t agree. Not being hostile, that’s what I understand from what you posted. It seems that your post pre-supposes that everyone shares your ideology, thus should defend themselves.
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The Green Party no doubt includes some left-leaning Christians, but they aren't the motivating force behind it.
P.S. Bunny and Dave - Don’t worry, half the time I don’t know what the hell I’m saying.
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I can't reconcile the Christian Right's actions with the teachings of Jesus. They condemn and judge, rather than forgive and help others.
They ARE, however, completely within the bounds of what is legal and acceptable within our political system. They're just reaaaaally annoying.
As are the lefty extremists, for that matter.
It depends Jackie - there are many who equate environmentalism with the religious left. In that sense, both extremes are trying to force their morals on the rest of us via the govt. The thing is everyone is free to petition their govt. Whether it's organized around Christianity, environmentalism or whatever. All are free to do so. You don't like something? Something scares you? Then get active, get out there and get yourself heard above the crowd.
heh..dang it Jackie you type fastre than me! lol
that is something we most definitely can agree on
I don’t understand what the issue is with “The Christian Right”. People on the left are frustrated because conservatives have rallied under the banner of their church? If they didn’t do it there, those same individuals would do it somewhere else, under a different banner – The Elks Club, I don’t know. And they would do it being possessed of the same morals and religious beliefs – so what does it matter if it’s the Christian Right or the Elks Club Right? My church rarely dips its toes in the political forum, and I’m grateful for that, but I don’t know why “:religious conservatives” are a greater cause of consternation than plain “conservatives”.
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I'm with you, Not Bill, in agreeing that everyone is free to petition the government, right, left, Christian, treehugger, whatever.
Freedom of speech, hurray!
Hope: Mitt Romney
Fear: No One
Do Not Want: Joe Lieberman
Obama
Hope: Bill Richardson
Fear: Hillary
Do Not want: Evan Bayh