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Jan 20, 2011 10:51AM
I'm reading Drums of Autumn, in Chpt 46, when Roger and Jamie meet in the forest and fight. I am confused on the fact, Does Jamie not know Mr. MacKenzie is Roger ? Because in further chpts Jamie states that he hopes Roger does show up and still take Bree for his wife and the baby? Maybe I need to go back and reread. Can anyone clarify ?
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Jamie is expecting Roger Wakefield to show up. Bree hasn't told him that that Roger's name is MacKenzie. So Bree told Jamie to put his ear out for Roger Wakefield.On the flip side, poor Lizzie told Jamie that a devil of a man named MacKenzie raped his daughter. He thinks is a completely different man from Roger.
He doesn't know they are the same and that it was Bonnet who did the dastardly deed.
Oh, ok I get it now. I missed the fact that she said Roger Wakefield(certainly rereading this book again). I get it now. Thank you
I did that too. But wait it gets better...
I just finished this book and I cannot wait to read the next one.I love Jamie,but young Ian is my second favorite.
I hope to read a lot more about him.
Does anything important happen in FC?????I am having the hardest time getting into it and I just want to toss it aside.......frustrating.
Don't toss it aside! It's a little hard to get into, but it does get better. Keep going!
Germarican1993 --I had the same problem with FC. I have to admit I did a lot skimming when they were at the Gathering. It got a little better toward the end, but I suffered through a lot of it. I hope you decide to keep going. I kept going even though I felt like you, but in the end I knew I had to read FC if I wanted to go on to the others in the series.
Germerican1993 wrote: "Does anything important happen in FC?????I am having the hardest time getting into it and I just want to toss it aside.......frustrating."Do keep on reading, it is well worth doing so! The 200+ pages about the gathering seem to be /are rather detailed, but really important things are described there. Take care of the names, some will turn up much later. I loved their coming home to the Ridge and the end even has got a surprise.
I miss Ian......Is he coming back in this book?????
I agree, Young Ian is my favorite character next to Jamie.
Skim through the slow parts, if you must, then after you have satisfied your curiosity go back and read those parts more thoroughly. They hold alot of information you'll find important later on. I really enjoyed The Gathering portion the second and third times I read the book. The first time I wanted to be through with it and just move on with the story to the point I didn't get all the info found in that section. In fact, it didn't seem as long the second & third times through.
I have found with books I really love that I get far more out of them when I re-read them for the very reason that the first time we want to find out what will happen. In some books that means we miss a lot of details and hints of things that we were meant to grasp the meaning of. My favorite YA series is Cassandra Clare's Mortal Instruments which is of course an easier read than Outlander. I have read them four times and have the audios and am amazed at the new things I pick up on every time. I have only read all of the Outlander books twice - but Outlander itself a couple more times - and pick up on things I either didn't understand or totally missed.
Do we ever find out who came in the room and tried to fondle Claire? Jamie said he went to the door and Claire herself was questioning it if it was him or not.I`m glad I kept reading FC because it has definetely picked up and now I can`t put it down.
Germerican1993 wrote: "Do we ever find out who came in the room and tried to fondle Claire? Jamie said he went to the door and Claire herself was questioning it if it was him or not.I`m glad I kept reading FC because i..."
So far (end of Echo) they did not "remember" this incident. So, what the book concerns, we do not get further details/information. But I think to remember a statement by DG on her blog/website that it was Jamie.
I'm glad you got to like FC as well!
Yeah, Diana said that of course it was Jamie. And when asked about the smell of rice powder that Claire smelled she responded by saying that Claire was surrounded by women who were covered in rice powder.
If it was Jamie I would have thought he would have at least told her "Hush Sassenach" or made a comment once she came out of the room.Hmmmm
He was seriously drunk. So two theories are here, one he astro-projected himself into the room because of his need for her (similar to other things that happen, which I don't want to say because I'm not sure of how far you are), or he was sooooo drunk he had no memory of doing it.
Germerican1993 wrote: "Do we ever find out who came in the room and tried to fondle Claire? Jamie said he went to the door and Claire herself was questioning it if it was him or not.I`m glad I kept reading FC because i..."
I thought is was (view spoiler) that comes in and fondles Claire...???
I just finished this book and I have to say it might just be my favorite in the series after outlander. I guess im a sucker for the whole reuniting thing.
Tina wrote: "Germerican1993 wrote: "Do we ever find out who came in the room and tried to fondle Claire? Jamie said he went to the door and Claire herself was questioning it if it was him or not.I`m glad I ke..."
Nah, DG, confirmed it was Jamie in an interview.
Aside from Outlander, I don't have any real "favorite" book. They all just flow so effortlessly. Almost as if you're reading just one very large book.
Allen, DOA is my favorite, too, besides Outlander. It has so much angst and tear your guts out emotion!! :) Next to Outlander it's the one I'll randomly pick up and read as a stand alone over and over again.
Allen, Drums is my favorite of the whole series. Poor Roger--I couldn't put it down once he was mistaken by Jamie and Ian!
Voyaguer is my fave... when he turns and see her.... love it
Yeah, that part, too, Caroline!!!! I'll pick it up to read it and sigh wistfully.
Outlander and Voyager, for sure. Though I loved Drums too.
Jen, SF, ahh it so verra good. The cot part, it's so good. I also like the new characters and the adventures they have. I always felt the first 3 were a trilogy and could, but I am glad they did not, end there.
Caroline wrote: "Voyaguer is my fave... when he turns and see her.... love it"I love that part too. I keep rereading that part over and over. Love it when (view spoiler)
It's a fun part to read over and over. I always start at the A. Malcolm, Printer part... ;)My fave parts in DoA are: when (view spoiler) Of course there are more parts that are great, but those are my fave.
Oh yes ladies all of those and so many more. The Lallybrock scene is good in so many ways. Looking forward to the re-read. I hae them on audio and I just cry and laugh. I must look mad when walking my dog.
Young Ian is so endearing and wise beyond his years already in this book. He became my favorite character besides the obvious. Love that kid!
Jen, ditto... he would keep me reading for a long time to come.
I would read a series with young Ian as the main character.I love the part in DoA when he gets Claire to see the truth about how she's been treating Jamie after you know what happens. Oh, and he gets her to see that Jamie feels guilty for it and thinks she blames him. So wise for a 17 year old.
"Well, I do hate to see him suffer. I'm fond of Uncle Jamie, aye?"
"Well, I do hate to see him suffer. I'm fond of Uncle Jamie, aye?"
Absolutely, my sentinments too. Ian is the best of Ian and Jamie mixed together with just a pinch of Jenny.
Of all the second gen he's my favourite by miles. I wonder if the other children will be fleshed out more now. Ian's siblings. He canna be the only one that is adorable. Oh now I'm getting super excited for the next book.... need to quell that want :)
Absolutely, my sentinments too. Ian is the best of Ian and Jamie mixed together with just a pinch of Jenny.
Of all the second gen he's my favourite by miles. I wonder if the other children will be fleshed out more now. Ian's siblings. He canna be the only one that is adorable. Oh now I'm getting super excited for the next book.... need to quell that want :)
I have this feeling that we're going to see some of Ian's siblings in the next book. For some reason I think it's going to be (view spoiler)
Do you miss Murtagh too? I would love it if he turned out to have a son/nephew who came to join them. I miss his dour countenance and unbending loyalty.
I've def missed Murtagh. I loved seeing him in The Exile.Ian Jr. is the best of Jamie and Ian Sr with a pinch of Jenny. LOL
Caroline wrote: "Do you miss Murtagh too? I would love it if he turned out to have a son/nephew who came to join them. I miss his dour countenance and unbending loyalty."I don't think he'll have kids. At least I can't imagine it (view spoiler), so it would feel out of place.
Anyone know who's POV the Prologue is in? I'm leaning towards Claire, but just want to be certain.
When I first read it, I thought Claire. Now... I think it might be Roger.
Gosh, I don't know. I always assumed it was Claire, but I can see how it could be Roger. lol
I think it's Roger because, to me, he's the most affected by Drums in Autumn. And the mention of mother's eyes; so much is made of Roger's green eyes. And if not in this book, in Dragonfly and in the short stories we learn that Roger's mother's eyes were that same green. (Don't we?) Plus the mention of ghosts... even though Roger was adopted by the Rev Wakefield and he and Mrs. Graham were parents to Roger, for the most part, Roger doesn't remember his parents - just fleeting little glimpses of memory. Add that with the green eyes and the mention of libraries and ghosts - I just think it's Roger.
Perhaps someone with an audio version can weigh in...
Does DG ever make it clear who the Prologues are supposed to be? I don't remember if that was in the Outlandish Companion or not. I got the book from the library - I don't own it. I suppose I'll have to buy a few of the hard copy books - LOL. All mine are on Kindle.
Drums is probably my least favorite book, despite all the good that happens. IMO, Jamie acts out of character for a lot of this book; (view spoiler)
I dont think jamie was acting out of character at all. His character has changed over the last 20 years he has matured and has different insight on things. Jamie understands that not all prisoners are bad people and just watched a friend hanged. He himself has been a prisoner and was supposed to die. I understand why he would want to err on the side of mercy. As far as Roger goes he did make assumptions but I blame that on Bree and her immaturity. He knows all too well what it is like to be raped and need that person to be gone from your life forever. I like that we are able to see a change in perspective from a young Jamie to a mature Jamie. I also like how the relationship with Claire seems more mature in the later books.
Lori wrote: "I think it's Roger because, to me, he's the most affected by Drums in Autumn. And the mention of mother's eyes; so much is made of Roger's green eyes. And if not in this book, in Dragonfly and in t..."Lori, Roger's green eyes are an inheritance from Geillis, passed down the centuries through the MacKenzies, therefore his father's side. William B. (the changeling) had just the same eyes.
And to make sure, there's everything in the Outlandish Companion, FAQs, at the very beginning."Who is speaking the prologues?" The answer is more than 1 page, so just what is important to the prologue in DOA: "... I prefer to leave the prologues ambiguous ... The book itself.." DG assumes that this would be a different voice/character for each reader, yet is more important in the audio versions, where the reader has "to be a little more certain". Then she refers to the audio books read by Ms. James (abridged ones): "...the prologues of the first 3 books should be read in Claire's voice, while the DOA prologue was read in Brianna's voice". As we all know, Brianna has got her father's blue, slanted eyes. Quote: " Claire's eyes, on the other hand have been described at no-doubt tedious length in term of sherry, whisky, and other intoxicant substances of a brownish hue. And Claire does once describe her own mother, while looking at a photograph (in Voyager): Warm brown eyes ..."
And now I'm going to listen how Davina Porter does this prologue.
Lotte wrote: "Then she refers to the audio books read by Ms. James (abridged ones): "...the prologues of the first 3 books should be read in Claire's voice, while the DOA prologue was read in Brianna's voice". As we all know, Brianna has got her father's blue, slanted eyes. Quote: " Claire's eyes, on the other hand have been described at no-doubt tedious length in term of sherry, whisky, and other intoxicant substances of a brownish hue. And Claire does once describe her own mother, while looking at a photograph (in Voyager): Warm brown eyes ...""Could you clarify what you mean here? You are saying that the author said that the first 3 books was Claire and Drums of Autumn was Brianna, yes?
But the Prologue says: "When I look in a mirror, my mother’s eyes look back at me..." and Brianna has Jamie's eyes. So what is
"As we all know, Brianna has got her father's blue, slanted eyes. Quote: " Claire's eyes, on the other hand have been described at no-doubt tedious length in term of sherry, whisky, and other intoxicant substances of a brownish hue. And Claire does once describe her own mother, while looking at a photograph (in Voyager): Warm brown eyes ..."saying?
Gabaldon, Diana (2004-10-26). Drums of Autumn . Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
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