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Jamie or Claire? Which one will die first? Lets talk aout it!
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Dec 18, 2010 11:06AM
Yes, I think you are right Wendy. To be honest, I hope the next book is the last one and all of our questions are answered.
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Me too Kelly! That would be awesome! I have often wondered about their story. Don't you know when she died it would be a heartbreaker??? Poor Brian! Probably kill us as much as everything we have seen Jamie go through!
i can't believe Claire hasn't thought of it - it happened, Frank described him vividly, and amazingly she can't correlate the two - Jamie looking up at her window..Claire is amazingly detail oriented, so it's just strange she doesn't remember it.
Kelly wrote: "Sorry if this was already mentioned I couldn't get all the posts read.In my mind Claire and Jamie die together.
I always picture them like the couple in the cave in DIA.
In each others a..."
I'm hoping Diana ends this when they're old, showing what's gone on up to that point...say in their 80's - like The Bronze Horseman series ends.. I really, really don't want to face them dying...just getting to an old age and enjoying life and each other..
Sharonh wrote: "I think DG has said on the Compuserve board that Master Raymond was a timetraveller and that she is contemplating a book on him in the future! That should be interesting!"Master Raymond time traveling included would be boring, like lord john is without the jamie/claire dynamic....Diana is at her best with the romance intermingled with the plot or adjacent to the plot...I love LJG, but not on his own...his own books are boring, in Outlander saga, he's great.
Ladyhawk wrote: "Oh, you all made my day!! I am hopelessly addicted too! And feel exactly the same as so many of you about this group.It’s amazing to me how much I ponder what you all say. How distinctly indivi..."
I'm hopelessly addicted to romances that are historical and the characters are unforgettable. There are very few that are quality and they all stand alone in different ways. Outlander Saga is amazing, The Bronze Horseman as well...Into the Wilderness is another series that I love - though not as intricate as Outlander or TBH, I love it because it is a bit more relaxing than the other two...but no less special. Comparing any of them is unfair...Jamie and Claire, Alexander and Tatiana, Elizabeth and Nathaniel - FOREVER!!!!
I agree with Carolyn. I want the end to be them on the porch of their new home overlooking their beautiful view and having Bree and Roger in a new house on the lot of the old big house. Maybe Jem in the old cabin. They deserve to have some happiness and peace and quiet. I don't want to think of them dying. Unless of course with time travel they get to do it all again!
Yeah, but only do over the good stuff....I don't think I could take the BJR stuff, Leghair stuff, or losing the baby stuff again!
Well hopefully they could remember so only the good stuff can happen. I also forgot to add Ian to the mix. I want him and Rachael to be there too. And maybe Lord John and William. Am I asking too much??
No Sue! You are not asking too much!
Now I'm really being greedy, but I want Fergus back home and maybe Germaine living in Tom Christies cabin!!!
I was re-listening to DFIA. (Never get weary of these stories!) I heard something that I did not remember. Jamie and Claire were at/near the Prestonpans battlefield, and a young man from Lallybroch had died. Jamie took him from the makeshift hospital just before he died so that he could be outside when he died. It was a big deal to Jamie. Do you all think Jamie will die outside - or that Claire will make sure he gets outside before he dies?
I just bought DFIA from Audible but am waiting until there is absolutely no chance of being interrupted before listening. I do remember that scene from the book. Claire comforted Jamie after the man died. I think if it is in her power and if she is present when he dies...she will see to it that he dies under the stars or clouds...whatever time of day it is. She knows that is important to him...so yes...she'll try her level best to make sure it happens....that is if she is still alive herself and if grief hasn't overtaken her so much that she is unable function...or she hasn't already gotten drunk because she knows his death is imminent....but she probably won't get drunk until AFTER the fact.
The same respect was paid to the man who dies at the beginning of Outlander during the boar hunting. It seems like it was very important back then for people to die outside because that is where so much of their life was lived. It was very much a part of them. I think it is admirable that they were so connected to their environment and that they respected the natural world around them. I would like to see Jamie and Claire die together with all of their loved ones around.
Oh Susan I can't even think about Claire bringing Jamie outside to die. Just to think about it makes a knot in my throat.
Sue wrote: "Oh Susan I can't even think about Claire bringing Jamie outside to die. Just to think about it makes a knot in my throat."I know! Me too. It bothered me when it popped into my head. I do love the superstition that underlies the practice, though.....that the spirit needs to be free to leave the body. Remember the funerals at the Ridge? The door must be left open if the body is inside.
I'd be in much better shape if they are going outside to die together!
I know Im in the minority here- but I dont like the thought of their deaths and would prefer it doesnt happen in the books. That way I can pretend they just go on living together, lol.
I would prefer that Jamie dies first. I don't think I could bear to read about how heartbroken Jamie would be without Claire, what a tear jerker that would be. But I agree with Mimi, I would rather they both live past the last book in the series. I don't want to read about either one of them suffering the loss of the other.
I'm a big believer in "Happily ever after".
I want to say that I would prefer to not read it too. But at the same time I think that with this series if there wasn't a finality, I would keep expecting more. I think I said this above, I hope that they go together, wrapped in each other's arms peacefully and asleep. it may be naive, but this is the ending I want after all the turmoil they went through.
I guess I wouldn't like to read about their deaths because it would be too...final. Realistically I know that the series couldn't last forever, but even if they do die together of old age it would still be the end. No more Claire and Jamie, and that thought is unbearable to me. As far as Jamie's ghost is concerned I don't like to think about it. Partly because it means he's dead, partly because it suggests that in the afterlife he's alone and waiting for Claire.
I just wanted to add one thought- What after The Outlander is over? Although I love DG writing, the love between C and J is why I ADORE the books, the romance is what makes the books so extraordinary to me, so what after they're gone. I don't think she's going to write a spin-off series about one of the main characters like Will, Ian or Bree, and it would be too painful to read anyway.
I like LJ books but I don't love them, the glimpses of Jamie my favorite part of the books. As for the prehistoric traveler I'm not sure how I feel about that, so what next?
I agree with you, it would be so hard.Personally, i wouldn't mind if the story continued with Ian. I may not love it as much as Jamie and Claire, but I love him enough that I think I could handle his own series.
With that said though, my heart starts to break every time I think of this series ending. I honestly don't know what I'll do without Jamie and Claire.
I'm not interested in a spin-off at all. The only reason I keep reading these books is the bits of Jamie that we get to see. I wouldn't want an entire story about Ian or any of the others. I don't even like it a lot when Bree and Roger are the focus :(
I think she can probably do both spin-off and new series. I'd love to read more about Jem and Mandy. I also have my wishful thinking. I wish/hope for DG to create the NEW Series that totally, completely, further-than-Mars different from the Outlander. -- I'm sure it will be as great or even greater.
Goddess, I agree. She sure can draw me into her stories.
I don't think I could stand to read about either one of them dying. I don't know if any of you read the "Into the Wilderness" series by Sara Donati but I kind of like the way she ended her series. I also read the Kate Shugak series by Dana Stabenow and one of the main players in her books died and I must of cried for days it was just so sad. I don't want that with Clair and Jamie.
I agree with everyone who would rather not see them die in the books. I read a series by Janette Oke, I think it was her Love series, where she stopped the books as the original main characters entered old age. She put a note at the end which explained her reasoning. She said that she did not want to have to write about so many of the characters dying. She would rather leave the story with them alive. I read a Star Wars book where Chewbacca died over a decade ago and I still get a little sad when I think about it. I like it so much better when the characters ride into the perverbial sunset to live out their final years.
I'm confused about one thing, If Claire should die in Jamie's time would she still exist in her real time? Does that make any sense?
I don't think so. She's not living in a parallel universe
Yeah, but if they die in the past, would Jamie's spirit wait 300 years, watch her be born, grow up, fall in love with Frank... I mean, why else would Jamie's ghost be in the 1940s, watching her.
I guess that's one of the many questions that's supposed to be answered in the last book of the series
I think he was searching for her soul. And maybe he saw her at multiple times in her life.But I agree, we wont find out until the end.
I kinda think Jamie will die 1st and Claire will go back to her time,that`s why she is in 1945 and Jamie knew she would be there during that time and that`s why he came to see her.
How many more books will be there?
I'm not sure. 2 max, I think. DG said she's not sure whether Book 8 will be last in the series.
I hope we don't have to see either one dying. I'd like just the two of them in rockers on the porch of the new house that they build on the ridge. (Fat chance that's gonna happen!!!)
